Ubuntu 17.10

>>61899256
>all that wasted space
disgusting

>>61899256
Somehow they made Gnome3 look worse than default

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>>61899256
>they won't bring back the global menu

>>61899256
Not great.
Unity is better. It had a reasonable layout (quick launch icons that double as window buttons) with some unique features like a global menu in a titlebar.
Their Gnome rice looks very amateurish.

>>61899256
>round corners
>no global menu
Shit, moving to MacOS..

>>61899256
Ist it already looking like that with the nightlys? Last time I tried it wasnt

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>>61899354

>Unhappy with how a linux distro looks by default
>Better change to the most restrictive operating system there is

is there any other DE with global menu like in Unity?
I heard that Ubuntu MATE is going to implement this feature in it's DE.

>have best font rendering of any distro
>fuck it all up by going with an abysmal de
disgusting

>>61899518
>more restrictive than an OS that doesn't even let you dismiss updates
how on earth did you come to this conclusion

>sidebar
utter shite

>>61899256
why don't they just use stock gnome with a simple dock at the bottom

>>61899256
>switched to ubongo because though canonical would twist Gnome devs' arms into making a usable desktop
>instead they just skin it to look even worse than adwaita
>same retarded amount of padding and wasted space
I'm mad.

>>61899560
Plasma with active window control and latte-dock.

>>61899593
Abandoning Unity 7 was a mistake. They should have improved unity 7 by fixing bugs and dishing compiz.

>>61899256
Dock should autohide.
The colour scheme looks shit like usual.

>>61899560
There's a video showing how to make KDE look and behave like Unity.

>>61899697
>abandoning Unity was a mistake
It wasn't really. Unity was literally a GNOME skin. Also, there's no need in making a billion DEs when one can be made to look like another. I hope pantheon and MATE get abandoned next. That way more people would come to aid in development of relevant DEs.
There will also be a small minority working on Unity 8.

>>61899321
this, they had 9 months to fucking give gnome 3 a global menu and they spent the entire time theming it with extensions. Jesus fucking christ

>>61899560
the MATE team are my heroes. By rebooting its active development a couple years ago they made MATE the go to lightweight distro over the abandoned and outdated xfce. Now they're picking up the pieces by making MIR a Wayland compositor (like it fucking should have always been) and working on global menu

>>61899599
we're not talking about windows here, buddy

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So which Ubuntu flavor is the best?

>>61899784
Gnome 3 has a global menu extension.

>>61899839
gnome.

>>61899784
The whole point of abandoning unity was to waste less time ricing the desktop. They won't ever do anything other than manage addons.

>>61899810
MATE is actually much worse than Xfce. It should be abandoned.

>>61899839
Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME

>>61899264
I hate gnome because of it. Who thought that was good design?

>>61900023
it was made that way for ubuntu phone, it flopped and the horrible design remains...

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Once you resize the launchbar and move it to the bottom - Unity becomes the best DE.
It has best font rendering out of the box, best implementation of titlebar in any system, great search for documents, pictures, etc.
File manager is not great, though and that Amazon shit still bugs me

>>61900071
>hey lets add even more vertical wasted space
dont be that dude

>>61900071
>bugged gtk theme
>2 (TWO!) bars taking up full screen width.

You can also entirely recreate this in GNOME with even more customisation options.

So they're trying to make GNOME usable by default. Good for them. I still prefer KDE.

>>61900139
Really KDE and GNOME (I guess xfce or some other very light weight DE too) should be the only options. KDE is customisable enough for pretty much any DE experience with Qt apps, same goes for GNOME with GTK apps. The experience of Mate, Pantheon, Budgie and all the others can be achieved in GNOME through extensions.

>>61899256
It's proprietary garbage

>>61900139
They are also failing, apparently. Once support is dropped on ubuntu 16.04 I'll probably migrate to openSuse and enjoy my kde experience.

>>61900128
>2 (TWO!) bars taking up full screen width.
Have you ever used Unity?
When you maximize the window - titlebar with buttons integrates with a shell and shows you nice dropdown menu when you point your mouse at it.

>>61899560 What do you mean global menu? The thing where you hit the super button and a combined search/launcher comes up?

Most launchers have online/file search capability.

>>61900214
Opensuse sucks dude. I suggest using it if you want to be a corporate slave who gets spied on

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>>61900232
k

>>61900113
how is that a problem, since maximized windows merge with the panel?

>>61900279
What DE is that?

>>61900244
>>61899810
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/global-menu-for-gnome-extension-development

>>61900298
its gnome

>>61900312
My fedora's gnome doesn't let me change the top bar like that, at least I don't think so.

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>>61899256
We're monitoring this thread.

>>61900321
install dash-to-panel and topicons-plus on the gnome-tweak-tool

>>61900323
>Running in live mode
Newfag.

>>61899839
Mint.

>>61900321
What are extensions? https://extensions.gnome.org/

You want dash to panel for that.

>>61900248
I'd use windows, if that was the case. What is wrong with opensuse?

>>61900339
gotta go fast

>>61900341
Hey, that's pretty good!

>>61900361
The computer is overheating my goy

>>61900244
pic related. Your usual dropdown menu that is integrated in titlebar. It's very comfy once you get used to it. For example, If I will use firefox on in Gnome - I will turn menu panel on (cause love muh dropdowns) - it will take space under titlebar (which are huge in Gnome) which itelf is located under useless shell panel that also takes space. Really, these Gnome guys are crazy.
>>61900248
What the fuck are you talking about? openPEPE is completely free of botnet and spyware.

>>61899256
why didnt they go with KDE5? gnome should die already

>>61900392
It takes like 10 hours to get a copy of opensuse from their website. Fuck those stupid donkeys

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>>61900392
forgot the picture

>>61900340
I used it once. After maybe 6 months without using the computer, I opened it again and support was completely gone! I couldn't update repository and was completely incapable of installing or upgrading software using only system tools. I am not saying it's a bad distro, but having to update frequently like that or die is quite inconvenient.

>>61900380
>implying we'd dox ourselves by posting our unique heat signature

>>61900420
the titlebar with panel integration in unity is god-tier.

Huge, wasteful, titlebars are one of the biggest with Linux DEs right now.

>>61900392
This and those fucking corners are pretty much my only beefs with gnome, although big ones. It's such a pain it makes it unusable for me, at least while having much nicer alternatives like unity or kde(that does whatever I want, there is always an option somewhere). Kde much more now that computing power is not an issue and I don't really mind if it boggles up 30% of my resources. It would be nice if this was fixed (is it? been a while since I used it, last time was kde4), but not really necessary.

>>61900350
For one, it by default stops you from installing proprietary shit. But this can easily be fixed.

>>61900396
Because they're retarded. KDE is objectively better than GNOME and they should have used it instead. It can even be themed to look like Unity.
I guess they didn't want the DE to look different by default, in case it shits itself and resets preferences after an update. And also their staff is trained on GNOME/Unity. KDE would just mean they have to get more people in to help them and the whole point of ditching Unity was to spend less money on the DE development.

>>61900488
KDE plasma was very light and fast when I was on KDE Neon. They really improved it.

>>61900488
Speaking of corners, why can't gnome do them well? If it is such a central thing (last time I used there was no default option to turn it off, I had to download those tweak tools), at least do them well, like macOS does. On mac, if you accidentally touches a corner, the pointer will be repelled from it and it will only activate if you insist on it.

>>61900071
It's sad how Canonical decided to abondon the best DE enviroment. It's the only one I didn't have to waste time ricing beyond moving the launcher to the bottom, checking "minimize on click", and installing a theme.

The other DE that gives me the least amount of problems is cinnamon.

>>61900113
>>61900279
Unity takes up less space when the launcher is set to autohide. And then when a window is maximized, you can still see the time and your notifications with the thin taskbar on top.

>>61900458
>>61900392
>>61900488
GNOME devs do have a reputation for being very controlling with their UI philosophy but they do at least follow that philosophy themselves. But hey, the thing with GNOME is that it's fully customisable.

Firstly, GNOME's own apps don't have titlebars at all. Secondly, their philosophy views traditional application menus as antiquated. The issue is that other devs aren't following their philosophy (yet) and really, why should they? But again, GNOME is so customisable that these issues can be entirely removed. Want global menus? Install the global menu extension. Want the titlebars to merge with the top bar? Install maximus or any of the other similar extensions. Think titlebars are too big? Make them smaller in gnome tweak tool, install a different theme, or remove them altogether.

GNOME defaults suck yes, but it can all be easily changed just by installing things straight from the gnome extensions webpage.

>>61900571
I think Ubuntu moving to Gnome is the greatest thing for gnome users, Ubuntu will without a doubt add a lot of patches and extensions to gnome, to make it behave a lot more like unity, when that happens I think we'll end up with one of the best Linux DEs ever

Windows fag here. I have tried install ubuntu (no bully pls) but I just couldn't get around no drivers for Novideo and g-sync and also I like playing vidya and using some windows programs that I don't think are in repositories.

So my question is, with my usage profile should I switch to a linux distro, if so what kind, and also what good guides are there for learning console commands/install windows and proprietary drivers.

Arch seems interesting but I am not a programmer so I would need to be spoonfed lel

>>61900557
Install maximus, install the global menu extension, install dash to dock.

Hurr durr why do I have to customise it? Sure, if there's a DE that does everything you want exactly how you want it then use that. The trouble comes when you have a million different DEs each trying to cater to exactly what each small demographic of users wants. Why not have one DE that can be customised for the exact experience you want? This is better for users and developers as the developers only have to target one platform, and the users have a richer selection of customisation choices.

>>61900619
Linux isn't for you, and that's okay.

>>61900619
If you failed at installing ubuntu, I wouldn't recommend arch. Get the latest ubuntu LTS, I think it's 16.04, and try again. Which video card do you have?

>>61900658
>>61900666
I didn't fail installing ubuntu, I just found it difficult to get the same things out of it as I did with windows.

I guess I should just accept my fate and become part of the botnet desu.

>>61900619
on Ubuntu:
>Windows Key
>"drive"...
>Additional Drivers
>Select proprietary,tested Nvidia (first option for me)
>Apply Changes
>Reboot
>Done
Not so hard

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>>61899270
Is that their default Gnome? lmao
Good thing is you can tweak it unlike their shitJewnity. I just installed this yesterday.

>>61900710
What are the different opinions on ubuntu/fedora/etc. I tried lurking a little bit and there seems to be a group of people who do not like systemd, is there a particular reason why?

>>61900690
Which things? Of course once you are a part of the linux system you shouldn't be seeking things you had on microsoft, like microsoft office, but try the alternatives. I really don't know what things windows has that linux doesn't provide an alternative for, except games and industrial software. And seeing as the future of microsoft is an even bigger botnet, I refuse to use it even for games, usually I try wine first and if that fails I try a VM.

That shit comes with Gabario.
Not interested.

>>61900769
Read this
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

Basically the main difference is the package manager, I'd stick with deb, rpm is dog shit in my opinion, pacman is pretty good also.

>>61899256
>shitJewnity
Very witty.

>>61900782
autoCAD among other things. I am a ME student at university so as you can understand I mainly use CAD software and play vidya. I would 100% dump kikedows with their israel(TM) sponsored telemetry if those two things were satisfied desu.

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This was a much better ""store"" than what they are currently using too. I wonder for how much longer they'll support it. The gnome store sucks hard.

>>61900511
Most good distros (besides arch) disallow non-free software out of the box. e.g. nixos and void

>>61900830
You need to switch now to get the software you want later. Show the demand.

>>61900830
For a mechanical engineer student, you seem pretty racist.

Are any distros slated to replace Ubuntu as the go-to meme distro? Mint doesn't count, and preferably something unrelated to Debian. I've been liking Void, but it was rough to get started, I can't recommend it to new users.

>>61900960
Do you expect engineers to be political commissars?

>>61899256
Fake.

>>61900214
If you don't mind using "old" packages, I'd recommend Debian stable. The Debian KDE maintainers have been doing a great job with it and the default install has been working perfectly for me.

>>61900830
Yes, it is too bad really. I also use CAD software and was disappointed that even after all these years linux support was still bad. I use CATIA and it seems to be ok, not great, in wine, but I haven't tested it yet. Soon. But it's not so bad in a VM, to be honest. My 2011 laptop could do it, a VM will do it in a breeze. Same thing with other simulation software. Unless you are doing some very heavy simulations every day all the time, for basic work VMs, it all else fails, will do just fine. And if you are doing lots of heavy stuff all the time, then my guess is you should have a dedicated machine for that (although if you are doing that, I'd advise against using windows even more. I wouldn't want my sensitive work being compromised because microsoft decided to want to know what porn you like).

It's a small price to pay for being free from the botnet.

>>61899764
Fuck you MATE is literally the best DE still in active development

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>>61900877
For comparison. The new one is slow and an worse alternative overall.

>>61901055
yeah, that one sucks

Will we ever get a DE that isn't utter shit?

>>61900990
I could go without vidya (I am an adult so I probably should), but school work and projects are kinda a pain. I could go to the labs and use their dedicated machines but I built my computer so I wouldn't go to go across campus to do that for work.

I could just run solidworks/autoCAD in a VM and be done with it, but like you said, Micro$oft would sure love to get a whiff of that sweet sensitive information

I run my own VPN off of a VPS so I know my way around linux a little bit. Is there a distro that you recommend? I have a couple days before school starts again so I could learn how to install arch or any other distro.

>>61901051
>screen tearing
>worse customization than Xfce and KDE
Yeah, no. KDE is the best DE, followed by Xfce and GNOME. LXQt will probably also be good.

>>61901136
Mostly ubuntu or other debian derived distros simply because when some company decides to support linux they usually distribute it in .deb packaging, so it is usually much more convenient. A stable one is more preferable too, things usually break when upgrading distros, so either an ubuntu LTS or a debian. And then you choose between DEs the one you like best. Right now, I'd use ubuntu 16.04, because I once had trouble installing graphics drivers for debian and other non-free software. So, yeah, either ubuntu if you like unity or kubuntu if you prefer kde.

For running the VM, run it in W7 if the program still supports it (it usually does unless microsoft has really taken its time to make sure it doesn't), or run the vm without network access.

>>61901213
Compton you fucking Mongoloid
It's the only DE with sane defaults

>>61901277
Alright thanks a lot for the help. Henceforth I will only be bent over by bill gates whenever I need to use software for work/school

(I still need to get away from gmail)

>>61901277
.deb has been mostly abandoned in corporate
It's mainly install scripts now, especially IBM software like SPSS

>>61901373
Compton isn't a DE you fucking mongoloid

>>61901373
Doesn't get rid of window glitches when resizing.
Doesn't change the fact that on Ubuntu MATE firefox froze the OS whenever you try to open the download folder, or any folder really.
MATE devs are incompetent and clinging to an ancient DE. GNOME is literally better than the shitty MATE.

>>61901459
It fixes the only issue that mate has idiot.

>>61901636
>only issue
It has more issues than that. Is anyone paying you to shill that shit?

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>>61899256
Looks like shit, I'll be sticking with the increasingly awesome and always polished MATE, thanks.

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>>61899764
Unity was the only usable DE.

This only is Ubuntu dropping the desktop and only focusing in servers.

I have tried almost all DE and only unity encourage me to delete my dual boot.

Now that is dead thanks to redhat shills I will give a last try to lubuntu with lxqt if that desktop is shit too I'll move away from this.

>>61900299
I looked at the code and it's fucking awful

>>61901680
>unity
>usable
It was filled with bugs. And it's literally modified GNOME. Just use GNOME with the addons that make it look like Ubuntu.

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install dash to panel + arc menu

I wish I could go back to the comfy days of GNOME 2
It's a shame MATE fucking ignores fontconfig and most other global settings completely

>>61900990
Have you tried FreeCAD?

>>61901655
What issues does MATE have?

>>61901102
The devs and power users all use tiling WMs, so there's a lack of talent that cares about DEs.

>>61901831
>>61901563

>>61901799
The fuck are you talking about? Font config works fine on my arch install with mate
Go fix whatever problem you have and don't blame it on the fucking DE
>>61901563
Firefox has fucking nothing to do with mate. I run ESR from the aur and I'm a lazy cluttered fuck so I always have at least 100 tabs open. Works just fine.
Why the fuck are you blaming mate for this?
And what glitches when resizing? Show me, make a webm

>>61899256
>retarded 9dot menu contrast = eyestrain
>gnome crapbar on top, black bar and close-to-white text too contrasting and gives eyestrain unlike unity's greyish bar and dirtywhite foreground icons with shadow (gnome devs probably chose black bar so they don't need to implement foreground shadowing)
>red dot doesn't have enough foreground contrast and too much saturation, another eyestrain
>wallpaper is too saturated compared to comfy unity
I'm on KDE but fuck this gnomeshit. Unity was a lot comfier.
Just...
>retarded rounding everywhere
>flat meme topbar and sidebar
>sidebar is blurry due to improper use of shadow unlike unity's sharp 1px bevels (as seen on windows aero themes)
Seriously hope this image was resized. Otherwise that window right there is the worst thing I've ever seen.
>shadow not even centered
>blurry edges
Wew. Just switch to KDE neon and use active window + global menu widget.

For anyone running KDE, have you found a way to use the global menu with non Qt apps like Firefox and GIMP? Or at least to keep their normal menu enabled so that they aren't completely unusable.

>>61901821
>FreeCAD
I use Catia and Solidworks because that's what the industry uses. If I ever open a company of my own I'll check that.

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>>61899560
Get the 'Active Window Control' widget. You can set it to show the application menu but my panel is too small so I use a separate 'Global Menu' widget although it doesn't appear on few apps (like firefox or most gtk-compiled programs for example)

>>61902042
This is KDE plasma btw.

>>61901680
see >>61902042

I'll be posting my widget config after I'm finished installing arch.

>>61899264
Exactly why I would never use gnome. Absolute retardation.

>>61900557
>autohide
disgusting

I thought Unity was getting dropped in 18.04. So when I upgrade to 17.10 I'll only have the option of GNOME upon restart?

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>>61901902
>make a webm
I'm not gonna download an OS just to show you a webm. But pic related is what it looks like. I couldn't find a better pic so here. Imagine the blacks being "transparent", as in showing the window content, and whites being random colours like the ones on the right. The insides of the window are also slightly moved up or down in places or completely disappear and the window becomes white. The right is approximately how the window looks on the outside when it's size is reduced. As in, when reducing the windows size that's what I get as a shadow/after effect until I stop resizing window.

>>61899256
Wasn't Unity kill?

>>61899518
>macOS
>restrictive

Someone who's never touched a Mac detected. Not as customization as Linux but WAY more customization than Windows. You're an idiot.

>>61902411
Oh so you're saying you can't reproduce the problem that you're claiming exists? Fuck off, I've been using mate since it was first forked and I've never encountered this.

>>61899256
>GNOME
It's shit.

>>61902398
Ubuntu will ship with Gnome 17.10
As for Unity I think it will receive updates up until 2021, due to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS shipping with Unity

>>61901743
I don't want it to look like Unity, I want it to work like Unity.

>>61902503
It's probably graphics card or rendering issue. may happen with extremely new or old hardware

>>61902610
Obviously, but why the fuck is he blaming it on mate?

Gnome 3 is shit.

Still no OpenSSL 1.1.0 even though it's in sid...?

I'm running artful on a notebook at the moment, but the transition isn't too smooth right now. Both Wayland and Mir ran like shit and Gnome3 is heavy, so I switched to Xfce and haven't looked back - lightyears more responsive on low-end hardware.

I guess it'll be okay but I'd suggest skipping it for 18.04.

>>61901743
Did you even use it? It works like a charm.

Unlike with gnome I got a pretty weird bugs moving files with nauilus. It was probably cuz the heavy patching fir unity I guess...

>KDE is the best DE
Is that true? What is the best distro for a newfag capable of KDE?

>>61902708
KDE Neon
KDE is shit btw

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>>61899354
>i don't know how change DE

>>61902723
Neon constantly broke some shit on me because of the outdated packages along with up-to-date KDE.
For example one day the entirety of Libreoffice wouldn't be themed anymore because their GTK theming bridge was changed somehow. No such problem on a full rolling release distro.

>>61901773
my nigger

Help. Need Linux distro for dad!

>>61902762
Then get manjaro, Manjaro's KDE version is the best looking KDE setup you can get out of the box, still, it's very unstable, but that's just KDE being KDE

>>61902779
gentoo

>>61902779
>tfw you spent hours trying to help out with the wiki but no one gives a shit
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

>>61899934
It doesn't work nearly as well as Unity's.

>>61902799
Not yet

>>61902796
My bad. I will read it. Thanks!

Yeah, it's shit. Cinnamon is just perfect.

>>61899839
unity you can use zeitgeist or whatever it's called now

>>61902966
???

>>61899256
whatever happened to unity??

>>61899256
"retro gamers"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>61903130
redhat shills killed it

>>61903238
>redhat shills killed it
whats the fucking point having the date and time in middle of the menu bar and ditching the OS X style global menu?

linux ui designers are literal shit

Someone should just create a good explorer clone for gahnoo/loonix. It's far and away the best graphical shell regardless of what you think about winblows as a whole.

>>61902503
No, I'm saying it's irrelevant because I'll never use MATE. It's there, explained.

>>61902627
Because no other DE does this.

>>61902708
Kubuntu. KDE neon crashes a lot.

>>61902671
Yes. After an update it literally removed all drop down menus from the file manager on my PC and I got stuck with 3 "File" drop down menus, all with the same options.

>>61902411
>>61902503
I got this on Unity as well. Though not that severe. It's just annoying. Radeon R7 360. It's a "new" GPU but I think it counts as old since it doesn't have AMDGPU Pro drivers.

Is there a good way to get a taskbar in gnome panel?
I tried the window list extension, but it just adds another panel with it and I want it to be in the single panel. I also tried the window list mod extension which basically does it but isn't maintained and now it removes everything else from the panel.

Long time Ubuntu user, I tried GNOME on 17.10 alpha, it is so shit, why are they doing this? At least we have 5-6 years or so before we really need to ditch LTS and even then I probably won't switch and do an XP.

GNOME is so shit and amateurish compared to Unity. Plus the settings are even more locked down.

>>61904766
Unity 8 is still developed by the community. It might be operational in 5 years. As another anon said, you can make KDE look and function like Unity in under half an hour.

>>61904766
I like GTK3 style applications but their "flagship"desktop sucks. That's why there's so many forks of it.