/pcbg/ PC Building General - GPU Passthrough Edition

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With the recent AGESA updates and their impact on gpu passthrough, I'm finally interested in getting on the platform. I'd appreciate any measure of help.

I'm stuck between the 1600x and the 1700. Either way I'm probably going to be dedicating 4c/8t to my slave vm leaving only 2c for the host. I shouldn't run into any problems with cutting a 1600x 2c:4c for host:slave right? Would the 1700 be better performance wise for the host? I see that the single core scores for the 1600x are better than the 1700 by ~20% on average.

Another question is about RAM, I am aware of ryzens tendancy to prefer samsung b and check QVL for the board, but is it true that 3.2ghz ram will not perform in a 4x8gb config? If I am required to use 2x8 for that speed can I split the ram unevenly between host and client? 6gb:10gb for host:slave?

If I open a VM I expect to use it thoroughly or just close the thing and I know linux isn't nearly as performance hungry as windows so, assuming both ram and cores can be split unevenly would it be fine running a host with 2cores and 6gb ram AND a slave with 4cores and 10gb ram?

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I used profile 2 on my ram to get it to 3200mhz and now my cinebench scores are 200 points worse. I'm retarded and I don't understand why.

>>61825633
I'm really interested in pass through but there are still issues
1. No cpu will allow 7700k perf levels directly. Low CPU 7700k is a no go for a multi vm machine
2. There is no SLI pass through

Tw no asus vega 56

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would one of you take a look at my build?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rcTs3F
most notably, i think i need a different case?

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>>61825744
Probably the shitty latency is the problem. It's hard since ryzen need unicorn memory to work properly

>>61825749
This case was top notch 10 years ago.
They didn't updated it, poor radiator support a lot of 5" bays no one uses, no USB 3 support.

Ryzen gaming performance is still awful in VM's, I don't understand why people recommend Ryzen for GPU passthrough. 7700K is obviously limited since you can only pass 3C/6T at most, you have to shell out for a 6 core Intel for great VM gaming performance.

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does this shit even need a full atx tower? can i get a mid tower?
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rcTs3F

>>61825897
>Intel

>>61825897
If you aren't planning on getting another GPU, all of that could even fit in an mATX case/board.

The only thing you have to worry about is the cooler height, drive bays, and the bay you're gonna be putting that reader in.

>>61825854
do you actually have data showing a comparison

>>61825897
>buying windows 10

>>61825897
Not it's atx. Just use a good air flow case don't use shit like nzxt.
Also for top 7700k you will need delid.

Don't recommend shitty 10 home. Just pirate ltsb if you use windows.

Also why the hell a wireless card? Just use cable or buy a mobo with integrated nic.

Alright anons, I'm finally building my first PC, what do I connect the anti-static wrist strap to?
I heard it's supposed to be connected to bare metal but the inside of the case seems to be completely painted black.

Should I put the hard drive and DVC/CD drive in before the motherboard? Seems like they'll be easier to put in first.

Should I put the CPU on the motherboard after screwing the motherboard into the case or before?

>>61825935
Don't pay attention to this cuck.
Matx is shit the smaller cases for matx are heat traps and if you really want to use air cooler it's a no go.
Just use atx case and not a meme shoebox

>>61825937
Are there even any benchmarks on VM frametimes anywhere? All I can say is I have a 1600X, switched to Ryzen from 6600K since passing 3C/3T felt kinda limited. Unfortunately I experienced the nested paging tables bug, it's pretty widely known on passthrough forums, Basically with npt on, CPU performance is fine but GPU performance is shit. With it off, GPU performance is fine, but CPU and I/O performance is shit. What's worse, is this isn't a Ryzen specific bug, it plagues all of AMD's processors and they haven't fixed it, which means it may never be fixed. Fortunately it seems KVM-specific, so if you migrate to Xen it will work better. Haven't bothered with Xen enough to try it out yet.

>>61825920
at least i wont need to buy firewood

>>61825981
Why you need a fucking DVD drive?
I'm in probably on the thrid build without one. It's just useless most of the time.

Use antistatic if you are really fearful but I would just discharge on some grounded metal and it's good.
Arguably you could connect to ground on your home but if there is loosy current on ground you could die.
Just attach to the case you are working so you will be on same level as the case.

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>>61826054
of course not. Intel will set your house on fire for you

>>61825973
im not a programmer
dont really feel like using linux or w/e

>>61825776
I think I am just losing it, i reset everything back and get 10 points worse now.

With the profile 2, there is a part near the end that always seems to hang a bit, where all threads seem to pause and then jump ahead, but don't do this with system defaults.

Is that the result of instability?

Its my first time messing around in any bios settings other then changing boot devices on vista era machines.

Another cinebench question: is the OpenGL test garbage? I get 10 faster FPS on a 2GB GTX770 then this RX580. Is the openGL support for Polaris just shit?

>>61825897
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rcTs3F
Why not just get an mATX board, you dont have the PCIE needs to justify anything else.
Better case options and the board shoulndt be all that more expensive.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=30&f=7&c=119

Is this pc good as a birthday gift for 13 years old son? He doesn't do anything except gaming and school projects on it.

>>61825976
yeah but if i lose the wifi card i can just replace it without rma the mobo

>>61826115
Forgot link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wbTs3F

>>61825998
>have matx case
>only 1 case fan
>40c under load in 24c ambient

retard

>>61826071
you can still get windows 10 FOR FREE

>>61826148
tpb? idk seems risky

>>61826096
>why not just get an mATX board
i want to have sli capability for the future

>>61826033
Also it's important to note that Threadripper WILL have this bug as well, and possibly even Epyc. I hope AMD realizes that putting SRIOV in their GPU's is pointless if you can't use GPU's in Ryzen VM's.

>>61826125
>>61826115
I just saved you 200$ and dropped in a much better CPU by ditching some shitty meme fans and getting a just as good motherboard in mATX

If you want to spend the same amount as before consider 2x8GB ram, and dropping in a ssd for OS/Boot

>>61826204
No, it's "free" in the same way as Winrar. Microsoft will nag you and your screen will have a watermark and default background, but it's real Windows. It's up to you whether removing the watermark is worth the price.

I'm currently CPU bottlenecked what 1151 socket CPU would I need in order to not hold up my 1080?

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Which should I get for an r7 1700 and Vega system? I'm leaning towards the silent one personally but would like a second opinion.

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>>61826299
Buy ryzen 1800x

>>61826251
can i change the background? i like to change mine a lot, but not for $100

>>61826329
unless there is some major difference in construction, the 800W will run quieter because of the wattage overhead.

>>61826251
oh yeah and how to get it for free? thanks

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>>61826359
No, you are restricted from doing any personalization

>>61826340
1800x has no reason to exist. 1700 is cheaper and practically is the same save for 100mhz difference in OCing in some cases.

>>61826361
The snow silent one supposedly has a quieter fan. It also seems more recent but I'm not sure how much that matters with PSUs.

>>61826247
>>61826125
forgot link as well
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mLpynn

>>61826370
Just download the .iso or USB installer from Microsofts website. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
>>61826359
No unfortunately.

>>61826299
What fucking resolution are you playing at that your CPU gets bottlenecked before your GPU does?

>>61826434
thanks guy

>>61826370
pirate 10 enterprise LTSB and crack it

congratulations you have the best casual user version

>>61826096
Matx is shitty. Have a couple, vrm is shittier. You don't have to pay a lot more for atx board, so unless you are really planning for a micro build specifically I would stay away from that.
Mini itx is even shittier.

If you are planning to build, I would expect til Aug 28, if you are going Intel, just wait to see if coffee lake will be supported on z270.

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So I'm a fucking retard and while reapplying thermal paste to my old crusty overheating 970, I managed to break one of the VRMs off (top right of pic related). I keep replaying it in my mind and I don't even know how it happened. The VRM unit is broken in half and useless. Now I need a new gpu.

Do I grab a sub $150 gpu for now and wait for Volta or do I just say fuck it and buy a 1080ti?

>>61826120
It's not like it break with frequency.
Why you don't use fucking cables?

>>61826550
if you can find a cheap one off craigslist id go with that

>>61826562
i do
cant print from cables though, have to use google drive on the smart printer now. would like to be able to print from computer in the future

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>>61826421
This CPU is trash if you main objetive is gaming. Plus 1600 ryzen oc like shit.
If your objetive is gaming just get Intel.

Also if you go ryzen prepare to use unicorn memory

I want to play Forza Motorsport 7 and Forza Horizon 3. What's the cheapest Ryzen processor I can get away with and play at 60-75 fps?

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Planning to add the top led fan as another exhaust soon, does this arrangement make sense? Also should i add some more 120mm intakes to the front just to be sure? CPU is R5 1600

>>61826656
Go watch that youtube video on Fans.
Anything pass 3 fans is diminishing returns in temperature drop.

>>61826627
and with team blue, expect a lot of water to put out the housefire

>>61826411
I guess I would look at some user reviews and see if anyone is complaining about coil wine on either of them.

The noise of the PSU fan itself will be silent compared to the beefier hardware you have in the case.

>>61826550
This is memory vrms are lined at side of chokes

>>61826382
>>61826251
Mfw using the spic-o fucks up the internal system time up in all manner of ways

Also holy fuck the piece of shit win 10 keeps waking up the pc from sleep all the fucking time in the middle of the night, this problem seems to be extremely widespread with winshit 10

Can't wait to switch back to 7 once i get the new drive heh

>>61826550
1. Scam someone with the card
2. Buy a used 980ti
3. Work while Waiting for volta
4. Break the 980ti on purpose and scam someone else
5. Buy the 2080ti with work money
6. buy an anime body pillow and a dildo from the money you scammed.

Here pleased your mind and your ass

>>61826670
>that youtube video on Fans.

Link me up pls fampai

>>61826656
Ryzen is so crap you don't need fans at all specially led shit.
Just use hwinfo with a benchmark.
If you cpu is passing 70c while stress testing improve cooling, otherwise you are just ricing

>>61826715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ

>>61826656
NZXT S340? I relocated the top to a front intake

>>61826734
Much oblidged kind sir

>>61826730
Oh wow the intelboyim salt is real

If I want to connect a 3 pin fan to a 4 pin header, would that work or would there be issues?

>>61826544
>vrm is shitter
>VRM changes based on form factor
no

>coffee lake will be supported on z270
Last week it was confirmed that it won't.

>>61826627
>just get intel
>just spend more money for barely any performance increase

>unicorn memory
With DDR4 prices fucked across the board, 3000Mhz is 15/20% more at the max over 2133

/pcbg/ is not the place for retarded hyperbole, go start your own thread if you want to be a retard.

>>61826806
It works. 3 pin fans don't have pwm, that's the only difference.

>>61826550
Volta will have a sub 10% performance increase. Its not worth waiting for, really.

>>61826818
Okay, thank you!

>>61826701
you may have it set to check for updates at 3am or something. Group policy settings can make that shit stop.

Into buying the ultrasharp u2410 monitor fot 60bucks
Current one is benq something which outlived anything i know lol
The question is
16:10 or stay with 16:9
I use photoshop alot, shitpost on 4chan and call me a faggot but play 3 aram rounds in LoL a weeks.
Will the new aspect affect any way ?
I kinda like black borders on movies i noticed...

>>61826421
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KDXTkT
Six cores seem like a lot for gaming.
He likes RGB lights and these fans look cool.
I added a liquid cooling assuming you can't overclock on the stock cooler.

>>61826819
Why would Volta be a sub 10% performance increase?

>>61826819
Source? Beside your ass

>>61826883
Because AMD cucks are on fucking suicide watch due to Vega. Don't forget how much they were saying that Pascal will only be a sub 10% performance increase over the Maxwell.

>>61826629
bump

>>61826876
Is this bait?

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Alright, what do I do with these cables?

I know that big wide one goes in the obvious motherboard bit for it, but is there any particular order I need to do everything in or is just getting everything plugged in before turning it on good enough?

Should I plug things in as I go or should I put the CPU, RAM, and hard drive in then start fucking with cables?

ryzen 1700x gtx 1080 epic settings on OW 1080p, I'm only getting like 120 frames at max. Is this normal? Some tests I've seen average almost twice that much, am I under performing or not?

>>61826910
>Reeeeeeeeeeeeee
>someone disagreeed with me
>starts to argue

>>61826949
Did you remove the FPS cap?

>>61826949
Make sure your 1700 isn't downclocking. On a lot of boards, if you adjust cpu voltage at all, the frequency drops to below half of normal speed.

>>61826973
it doesn't have an option for 'off' on that, I just cap it at 300. What should I do there?

>>61826979
I don't believe it is. How would I check? And I'd like to know if these performance stats are that bad. Are they really? ;_;

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>>61826949
No. This is not normal
I get the same with my 1050ti.
Check cpu/gpu usage

>>61825633
>buy MSI gtx 1060 6gb
>new
>NO FUCKING POWER JACK
>MSI cs is a nightmare
>Send it for a refund and ask for an exchange through Amazon
>Now I wait

>>61826949
Yes it's normal. Unfortunately for gaming you was memed into buying the inferior option

Probably stupid question: Is there a point in getting a 1070 over a 1060 if I'm not buying a 4K TV/Monitor? What about going from a 1050 TI to a 1060?

>>61826979
so I should go into my bios and see if the voltage isn't altered from default?

>>61827021
Whats a power jack?

>>61826907
>Don't forget how much they were saying that Pascal will only be a sub 10% performance increase over the Maxwell.
>>61826886

Nobody reasonable said this- Volta isn't going to have the same fab shrink Pascal had to get the TDP numbers down
The 12nm process is just an optomized 16 they are using now.
The gaming cards will use GDDR6 and not HBM2

I stand by 10% on consumer grade, screencap this post.
There is no reason to wait for volta. Vega is shit, just buy a 1080/TI

>>61827045
Where the plug from the psu goes into

>>61826979
So what voltage should a 1700x have, anyway?

I NEED HDD RECS

>>61826979
why doesn't this happen with my 6700k

>>61826944
>but is there any particular order I need to do everything in or is just getting everything plugged in before turning it on good enough?

Just make sure everything is in. Usually people that do this a lot have a set order and stick with it so they don't forget anything.

>Should I plug things in as I go or should I put the CPU, RAM, and hard drive in then start fucking with cables?

Personal preference, I prefer to get CPU/RAM seated, then run power to the board and CPU and route the cables. with that out of the way i take care of the GPU and plan where the cables are going to go. I do things like HDD's last as you usually have a bit more freedom where shit can fit or needs to go.

>>61827051
We don't even know the Volta specs yet. Nvidia doesn't sandbag like Intel does. I look forward to posting your screenshot. Just like I did so many fools when pascal was released.

>>61827021
wat

post pics

>>61827082
It's all a crapshoot whether your drive dies or not.
Don't use a HDD as your OS drive.
Buy 3 2TB drives instead of 1 6TB.
7200rpm is a meme.
Avoid Seagate.

>>61827024
1060 6B > 1050ti is worth it at 1080P
1070 vs 1060 6B at 1080P its more of a tossup

the 1060 3GB is complete shit and the 1050TI can actually outperform it in some games

The problem is prices are so fucked right now.

>>61827134
have fun waiting for shit

>>61827181
You must be experience with that with Vega

>>61827192
>implying I was waiting for vega
I already said vega was shit in my earlier post, try something else.

>>61826944

i'd put on all the cables before you put on the CPU cooler. you'll have a lot more room to move your hands

Guy in my area is selling his 1080 FTW for $450, do I go for it, currently have a 970

>>61827138
but from what I have read seagate has better rate than WD nowdays, what do you think about HGST?

and why is 7200 rpm considered a meme now?

>>61827101

anyone? why was my skylake build so easy compared to the ryzen builds

i put in whatever ram i wanted
the motherboard directions taught me how to overclock
i just went with what it said and it was good

Story time/laugh at my drunken stupidity:
>Decide 1700 system is the way to go
>start pricing everything like mad, comparing prices even internationally plus shipping
>turns out Amazon US can ship PC parts here now and the shipping was only USD$20
>Super excited
>Want a board with decent VRM, I usually buy a higher-end board for exactly that reason
>See Gigabyte X370 Gaming K7/Gaming 5 have the same VRM which was highly recommended by buildzoid
>see Gaming K5, $20 less than Gaming 5 - fuck yes, why would I pay $20 for white plastic, bargain!
>order it plus Ryzen 1700
>super stoked
>Check it next day, Gaming K5 has the same shit VRM as the Gaming K3, Gaming 5 has the same VRM as Gaming K7
>oh for fuck sakes
>try to cancel order, too late, Amazon 'shipped' it to themselves already, have to wait and return it apparently
>check prices for shipping MB back to US, USD$80! of which Amazon would refund $15
>fuck...
Ordered the Gaming 5 in another order and now I have a surplus Gaming K5 on the way.

>>61827266
The failure rate cited by most people is backblaze which isn't particularly representative of the brand's overall quality. HGST is fine but usually a bit more expensive, it's still pure chance if you get a lemon though. 7200rpm drives are marginally faster while being significantly louder, unless you're building a NAS or a really budget PC you'll probably appreciate a 5400rpm drive more.

went to my microcenter for sata cables and while the shelves are still a ghost town sans tumbleweed, apparently people are actually buying gpus for gaymen builds again instead of shitcoin slavery

>>61827450
Those are actually undercover employees making it look like average consumers are buying gpus for gaymen again.

is it possible to rent someones 3d printer in my area?
the plastic cover over my laptop's hinge is cracked and it annoys me

>>61827210
Just wait for navi

Odd/stupid question: Could I just gut a functioning HDD from a build that has an OS installed already and slap it into an otherwise entirely new build and be fine?

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>>61827254
>i'd put on all the cables before you put on the CPU cooler.

Fuck.

Where do I plug the fans into the motherboard at?
Stuff keeps telling me to use the motherboard's manual but the motherboard's manual is confusing and doesn't have enough pictures.

All these plugs with the tiny less than a millimeter thick pins seem like it'd be easy put stuff in backwards, is it possible to put them backwards?

>>61825633
Looking for general improvements on my current build. I play games that are graphically intensive. Budget ~$1000.
1440p 144hz monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GqnZbj

>>61827498
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GqnZbj
hey buddy i think you got the wrong list, 2015's two blocks down.

>>61825749
It has zero dust filters, which was my number one reason in deciding against getting on for my 1st Gen i7 system. Yeah, it's that old. Case design has advanced a whole lot in that time. I'm surprised they still sell it honestly. The Phanteks Enthoo Pro would be a good full tower alternative.

>>61827527
Lol I built it in 2014 I think. Was looking to upgrade

>>61825776
UMA DELICIA

>>61826125
NZXT is a botnet.

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>>61827137
It doesn't have this

>>61827262
Fuck you it's mine

>>61827482
Depends. W10 is apparently really good at being transferable. W8 and below you should reinstall. Any other OS, reinstall.

>>61827547
Did you just down a refreshing pint of camel piss?

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>>61827497

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The I/O shield that came with my motherboard seemed to have some sort of soft padding on the inside covered with metallic foil, I've already put it in and the motherboard in the case and everything seems to fit fine for the most part, but was I supposed to peel that thing off?
Will it burst into flames?

Pic related, back of the I/O shield.

Should I hold off on buying a cpu until the threadripper comes out? As in will cpus get cheaper after it comes out?

>>61827765
>was I supposed to peel that thing off?
Nope. It's commonly seen on high end motherboards. Not sure about the purpose of it, but someone else can chime in on that> I do know that you don't take it off though

>>61827769
no. Threadripper is an HEDT cpu. It will have no bearing on normal mainstream CPUs.

>>61826701
>Also holy fuck the piece of shit win 10 keeps waking up the pc from sleep all the fucking time in the middle of the night, this problem seems to be extremely widespread with winshit 10

Go into device manager
Find your network adapter
Go to its properties
Go to power options
Untick every box

Rinse and repeat for your mouse

Wake your pc henceforth by pressing CTRL

Learn to get good by yourself.

>>61827138
i am an IT guy at a university and i've seen Waaaaaaaaaaaay more wd drives die than seagates

Will i be spied on using the trial windows 10, and if so is there a way to turn off the useless crap?

>>61827946
Yes. Stop using windows

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>people still falling for the gpu passthrough meme

>>61827971
wincuck

>>61827995
archtard

There's a little gap between my ATX main power connecter and my motherboard, but the ATX_12V CPU power thing fits all the way in with no gap, is that normal, do I need to try to fit the bigger one all the way in with no gap?

>>61827961
That sucks. I guess i'll just have to do with microsoft spying on me

>>61828016
Push down till you hear a click.

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Is it a good build for video editing? What can i change?

>>61828052
you need a cooler. The 1700X doesn't come with one

>>61828052
Go 2x8GB on the RAM

>>61826629
If it's anything to go by I have a shitty i5 @3.2 and it gets maxed out playing Horizon on ultra. The game seems to be particularly CPU hungry and people with weaker processors had a lot of issues at launch but a lot of it has been ironed out since then. Hopefully 7 is a bit better optimised but I'm picking up a 6700k just to be sure. Hopefully that gives you something to go off.

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I've already got the USB 3.0, 2.0, and HD audio in, but I can't tell exactly where the other stuff goes, pls translate the shit on the right and tell me where to put the shit on the left.

>>61828103
Thanks i thought it does.

>>61828216
I believe i do already?

>>61827468
look for a makerspace i guess.

large city libraries might have them, as well as universities

>>61828356
this looks like you are buying 1 stick of 16GB, but i dont speak german.

2 sticks of 8GB are better than 1 of 16, as it runs in dual channel and has more bandwidth.

for reference, none of the X series ryzen CPUs have an included stock cooler

>>61828103
Are you sure? They all come with coolers

>>61828305
looks like all that shit should be going on #9...it's different for each mobo, you can find the power switch pretty easy just plug it in, flip the power switch in the back and use a screwdriver to short the pins until you find the right one

power leds might be bottom row, pins 1 and 2 from the left

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How is it that EVERY Radeon card is sold out? $180 cards are going for $500. That's beyond "crypto miners". That's in the territory of a concerted attempt to choke AMD out of the market.

>>61828404
The Ryzen 5 1600X, Ryzen 7 1700X and Ryzen 7 1800X do not come with coolers.
The Ryzen 3 1200, Ryzen 3 1300X, and Ryzen 5 1400 all come with the Wraith Stealth cooler.
The Ryzen 5 1500X, Ryzen 5 1600, and Ryzen 7 1700 come with the Wraith Spire.
The Wraith Max cooler was just recently made available separately for $59
http://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution

>>61828463
Yes. 3rd party retailers have a concerted attempt to choke a product they sell out of the market.

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>>61828520
Well, if you wanted to fuck with a company, you'd target their market share. Crypto miners offer a convenient scapegoat for a party that would be in the best interests of to buy out all of AMD's cards so AMD's dyed in the wool have no choice but to switch over to NVidia cards.

>>61828548
Yes Nvidia is secretly buying and hoarding the global stock of AMD cards.

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>>61828305
1. ATX 12 V
This is your CPU power pin. your PSU will have an 8 pin cable included, and if it is a non modular PSU, will have it already attached on the PSU end. On semi/non modular PSUs , look for something labeled CPU, and plug the cable into that, and the other into that slot on the motherboard.
2. ATX
This is the largest connector from your PSU. Usually this is a nonmodular cable, and the thickest one you will see. This sends power to the motherboard itself.
3. CPU FAN
Near the CPU socket, this is a 4 pin fan connector. The connector is shaped in a way that it only goes in one direction. This is called PWR type fan connector and changes speed regularly based on the CPU telling it when its getting to hot.
4. SYS FAN
This is an extra connector for something like a case fan. They usually supply a steady supply of power but can also sometimes be 4 pin. Just connect it.
5. ASATA
Data connection for your HDD/SSD. Connect a sata cable to it, usually 1-2 are included with your motherboard. ASATA differs from SATA in that it sometimes conflicts with M.2 Slots, but shouldn't really matter. Connect it to (6) instead if you are worried
6. SATA
Same as above, minus any pcie lane takeup
7. BAT
this is your cmos battery, it saves bios settings as well as time/date ect. when people say "pull cmos to reset bois" they mean this.
8. M2 Slot
Ignore unless you have an m2 form factor ssd
9. F Panel
Front panel power buttons,LED indicator lights, etc. usually there is a page dedicated to this on what goes where, its the tiny shit, every part is labeled, usually arranged like attached pic . Find the missing pin for orientation.
10. SPDIF
This is an audio connection, ignore it unless you have the hardware
11. F_Audio
This is your cases front audio ports, usually microphone/headphone. This cable is connected to your case.
12. F_USB3
This is your cases front USB3 ports, look for the connector like the one on the far left if you have it.
13. F_USB1
This is another USB (old)

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>>61828558
No. That's the brilliant part. NVidia buys out all the cards, and then runs a Chinese crypto-mining scheme to milk the crypto-currencies to recoup the losses from their scheme to drive AMD out of the market using AMD's cards.

>>61828592
Where is the part where the illumanti comes in?

>>61828561
>>61828305
oh wait you only needed the front panel shit, whoops.

All of the small connections from the front panel are labeled, there is some bare looking pins that they each attach to. Please look through the manual more, usually an entire page is dedicated to this alone, or use the above pic as a guideline as its pretty universal.

>>61828604
And then where's the part where Yakub comes in

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>>61828604
>Where is the part where the illumanti comes in?

BITCH, THEY ARE THE ILLUMINATI.

>>61827497
>HD 5450
Please tell me you have something else on the way.

are there any ryzen-tier intel cpus that arent a rip off?

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just ordered a ryorig H7 quad lumi for my r7 1700
>mobo (B350 Tomahawk) only has one CPU fan header
correct me if i'm wrong when I assume this means I can't put the other fan in a push-pull setup into one of the 4-pin SYS_FAN slots near the cpu socket
>general push-pull rules
assuming I buy a cpu header splitter if they exist and get a push-pull working, do both fans have to be the same or are you supposed to put a higher CFM fan to create pressure and help air through? I've read both browsing threads from google.
>pull fan distance from rear exhaust
I read that if rear exhaust and pull fan are too close to each other and not in sync it will be counterproductive, how true is this?
>anon why did you buy an overpriced budget cpu with RGB meme
mostly out of the box am4 compatibility, my local shops were out of noctua U12S and I don't like their ugly brown anyway, I'll probably use static red because my motherboard has red leds in it
>anon why do you want push pull it only gives 3-5c lower temps at best
I want to get everything out of the design and it looks beefier, even if it really isn't that much more effective, money isn't an issue (would buy R1 but it's too tall for my case)

eh we'll see I don't know how big it is in real life so I don't know how much clearance there will be behind it anyway, it's not like I ordered an extra fan in advance

>>61828752
It has one CPU fan header but there are probably other fan header for chasis fan.

Trying this again since I got no reply last thread.

I find myself in a situation where having a desktop is just not an option. I've been in this situation for a few years and will be in it for a few years longer, so this isn't a case of "just wait a few months and then get a desktop".
I've been making do with a laptop that was pretty decent when I bought it, but struggles to run recent releases.

Are there any companies that let you upgrade the hardware on a laptop? Even if I have to take it back to the retailer for every upgrade, that beats buying a whole new computer every few years.

Failing that, can you recommend a company that will let me customize my laptop's hardware that isn't alienware? I don't need flashing LEDs and little grey heads on my cover, I just need it to work.

Failing both those options, what laptop would you recommend around the €1500 mark? I'd mostly be using it for gaming.

>>61828778
Buy a cheap laptop and then buy a console.
Both can be bought for under 1500 dollars. There. Fixed.

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>looking at peoples sleeper pcs
>it's just garbage hardware in a garbage case

>>61828626
>Nvidia's logo has one green eye
>3D shapes are composed of triangles that have 3 sides
>3D
>3 sides
>3
>Half-Life 3
>Valve will never release Half-Life 3
>3 minus 1 is 2 and the Illuminati's logo is one eye in a triangle which has 3 sides
>that's 2 objects
>Nvidia has 1 eye and 1 plus 2 is 3 sides on a triangle
NVIDIA = ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

>>61828305
man you lucky bastard you're assembling a PC right now
I have to wait until DDR5 or Zen+ drops

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>>61828752
>and get a push-pull working
Push-pull, push and pull are all the same shit. Because the dynamic pressure loss is so fucking insignifican the second fan is doing fuckall

Tgey all perform nearly identically.
BUT Pull doesnt require taking the fan off to clean.

So Pull is the only reasonable setup.
If you have Noctua put just one fan in the middle.

>>61828736
maybe after the year 2020
or when JUST ceo gets fired

>>61828778
>Are there any companies that let you upgrade the hardware on a laptop?
nope, and if there are any modulars they're usually beyond your pay or not available to the general public

Is it better to go with Corsair or EVGA for a PSU in the 450-500W Bronze-Silver rated range? Or does it really matter that much?

>>61828845
Seasonic

>>61828795
My problem is mobility. At that point I might as well just buy a desktop and lug it around in a giant backpack.

>>61828845
It doesnt.
Anything that isnt literally a no name or branded "Ultra Fire" is good.
All reviewers who tell you to get a 99+ Irridium rated psu and dont cheap out goyim are sponsored by Corsair.

Chieftec are just fine.

>>61828845
avoid either one
go seasonic or find a superflower rebrand

>>61828872
Look a laptop is a shit tier option for gaming. Especially any heavy duty gaming.
Just go buy the best spec'd laptop you can get for your budget and hope they last.

>>61828878
>All reviewers who tell you to get a 99+ Irridium rated psu and dont cheap out goyim are sponsored by Corsair.
corsair is the cheap option
if I fucking smell another burnt CX psu I'm going to gas something

>>61828778
there is nobody that sells modular gaming laptops

you could try to fall for the E-GPU meme

or literally build an ITX that takes up the same footprint as a laptop, http://nfc-systems.com/s4-mini/

>>61828462
>>61828561
>>61828620
Thanks for the answers, I already figured it out after a staring at it for a while.

Should I connect my hard drive to SATA3 or ASATA3?

>>61828718
>HD 5450

I don't even know what that is.
If you're talking about the GPU, I have a GTX 1050 ti coming in a week or two, what's in there now is just what I'm using until a new card arrives.

>>61828878
>anything is good
Enjoy your coil whine and fried components.

>>61828872
If i needed mobility I would actually do that rather than having to geal with shittops

>>61828882
>superflower rebrand
Is there a list for these?

>>61828913
SATA3

>>61828924
My Cheaptec serves me well since i got my 2500k
It got a bit noisy from all the dust it accumulated with years i feel a bit too lazy taking apart entire PC to clean it but i'll probably do it when i upgrade.

>>61828913
Use the SATA ones first, the ASATA are basically "extras" that take up PCIE lanes/ m2 slots

>>61828857
>>61828882
Seasonic isn't available in my local stores

>>61828910
>or literally build an ITX that takes up the same footprint as a laptop, http://nfc-systems.com/s4-mini/

Except I'd also need a monitor to go with it.

Are there any E-GPUs coming out any time soon that don't suck massive balls?

>>61826627
UMA

>>61826550
>VRM
that's why you're a retard

>>61828978
then order something from the internet you fucking faggot

>>61825633
>Mobo QVL
which ryzen board are good for gpu passthrough?

>>61828995
Or I could buy Corsair or EVGA and not notice any difference whatsoever aside from my waller not getting assfucked

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Got this system for free, thinking about dropping a used i5-2500 to replace the current CPU...as someone who will be playing vidya at 720p at most, what's a GPU that will match well with the 2500? low profile preferred, case has limited space even after cable management

>budget
100ish but poorfag so if I can get it for 50-70 used and get the same value, I'll do it

>games
cs:go, sc2, planetside 2...no AAA but maybe something like nba2k18

>goal
60fps min

>>61829067
i5-2500 has no iGPU?

>>61829052
mid tier id say corsair > evga.

>>61829097
he need more than igpu for shit like ps2 which is a dead game that runs like turd

What are some good itx boards for r5/7? I got an itx for my old i5 and a Phanteks itx. I really want 4 satas.

>>61829145
He is playing at 720p tho

>>61829160
ps2 still runs like turd he just need rx 560 tier

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Ok, I think I'm pretty much finished besides cable management and starting it up, but I'll list everything I did and you can tell me if there's anything I missed.

-put motherboard in
-put power supply in
-put video card in
-put CPU and CPU cooler in
-put RAM in
-put HDD in
-put DVD drive in even though i didn't connect it and i'll probably get one with blu-ray later
-connected CPU fan and case fan to motherboard
-connected power supply to motherboard
-connected all case cables to motherboard
-connected HDD to motherboard and power supply
-apparently modern video cards have to be connected to the power supply but the one I'm using for now doesn't seem to have anything to accept a power cable

Anything else I need to do?

And should I plug the PC into a surge protector alongside two consoles or just into a different outlet? Will the power supply protect it from power outages?

>>61829206
Motherboard has 2 power connectors. made sure you plugged both in.

>>61829206
looks good

do a once through and make sure everything is properly seated, especially the ram

>>61829130
I assume the Corsair CX450 Bronze works adequately?

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>>61829206
You didn't forget the IO shield, did you?

Threadly reminder that the AM4 Bristol Ridge CPUs will be released in a week which will have overclockable quad cores for cheaper than a G4560 as well as better iGPU performance and a hundred times better upgrade path and future proofing.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_s_bristol_ridge_apus_are_set_to_hit_retail_by_august_18th/1

>>61829274
>Based on bulldozer
No thanks.

>>61829097
>>61829160
It's coming next week so hopefully it will be enough but if not I was thinking something like the RX550...

>>61829166
Yeah, I don't know why PS2 is so badly optimized...the devs havent fixed it after all these years

>>61829283
It'll still shit on the G4560 at a lower price with better upgrade path. If performance is your main concern then you probably shouldn't be looking at buying sub $100 CPUs in the first place

>>61829305
I can still buy sub 100 cpus and look for best performance. I don't want to pay extra for fire insurance.

>>61829321
wat

ryzen runs cooler than intel dude

>>61829321
You don't think they've tweaked them when they're releasing the CPUs on a new platform? Your loss, buddy, enjoy having to buy a completely different platform or sticking to previous generation CPUs when you want to upgrade from your dual core CPU you bought in 2017

>>61829351
Yeah but that isn't based on Ryzen moron.

>>61829356
Yawn. Call me when it is actually good. Inb4 it is another Vega like turd. Oh wait. It is based on bulldozer so it is confirmed to be a turd.

>>61827328
Where can you find out if a board has "good" or "bad" VRM

>>61829373
Like Intels offerings in the sub $100 segment is any good? The AM4 Bristol Ridge APUs are rated at 35 and 65W TDP while the G4560 is a dual core rated at 54W, so if anything Intel is a housefire.

>>61829436
Yeah. They will be better than any bulldozer shit tier CPU.

>>61829436

how can you tell if a cpu will run warm just by its power consumption

power consumption isn't what causes heat in electrical devices, it's resistance

>>61829455
>Non overclockable
>Worse iGPU
>Two cores vs 4 cores
>Worse upgrade path
>More expensive

I don't think you know what "better" means, literally the only reason for why the G4560 gets recommended over the Ryzen 3 is because it has a iGPU and AMD APUs on the AM4 platform completely nullifies that.

>>61829494
AMD APUs are based on bulldozer which are objectively fucking shit.

>>61829475
>what is the first law of thermodynamics

>>61829508
This. Once there was a fucking moron who told me that his room didn't feel warm despite him using a 290x because he liquid cooled it and it ran cool. Fucking idiots I swear.

i've got a noctua nh-d15 http://noctua.at/de/nh-d15.html with an i7-6700k. first time i've ever overclocked

when i turn it up to 4.3ghz in the bios using the "Game Boost" setting (yeah yeah, i know -- but this was literally my first try at anything beyond stock, and it seemed safe enough to turn a dial that goes to 11 up to 1 ...) i'm finding my cpu running ~72C @ 100% (x264)

is that normal? a friend with a 6600k says i shouldn't be running that hot

thanks.. yeah i'm new, an idiot with a wallet. let me know if i can give better info

>>61829503
And even an "objectively shit" architecture is better to buy than a dual core CPU at $80 with a shit upgrade path, they've already tweaked the power consumption which was the biggest problem with Bulldozer

>>61829539
>Muh upgrade path
Hilarious. Bulldozer is shit and any variant of bulldozer will be fucking shit.

>>61829294
well soon it will dye like the neglected child it is anon

>>61829537
If your CPU isn't hitting Tj max, you shouldn't worry. At most you room gets a little warmer. I hate seeing post of people saying their CPU is 70-80 degrees and they are worried it is running hot.

What the fuck? Your CPU will be obsolete long before thermal degradation kills it.

My friend thinks AMD GPU's can't play modern games because of physx

Is he a retard or can AMD genuinely not do physx stuff?

>>61829570
ok, thank you. i'm staying far south of tjmax, by 15+ degrees easily. don't care about air output into room, just don't want to burn a cpu alive

>>61829535

once there was a moron who thought that processors would run warm just because they had a lot of electricity running through them, rather than the route of that electricity, the effectiveness of its path, and the insulators that surrounded the conductive materials

>>61828398
1300X and 1500X do, but 1600X, 1700X, and 1800X do not

>>61829582
You will never burn a CPU alive by loading it. CPU have built in throttling that will keep temps low and if that fails, they will thermal shutdown.

You can only burn a CPU alive by sending in too high a voltage at once and fry it. That is what you should be worried about.

>>61829537

you're good. i run a 6700k @ 4.6ghz and in Prime95 it ran solid at 85c on an AIO

>>61829601
ok. i appreciate the straight shooting :)

is there a table or something of the sort with suggested places to start with a specific processor, or is this just something that can't really be broken down like that? i.e. recommended voltages etc

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>>61828752
>buying the Lumi at twice the price

>>61829550
Muh upgrade path is the biggest thing to consider when buying a sub $100 CPU you retard, but enjoy not being able to upgrade to anything better than a 7700k (lol) without spending a shitload of money or buying a completely new platform while AM4 will be supported for at least 4 years

>>61829580
He is right about AMD can't into physx thing. He is also a retard because nobody uses physucks these days. Game engines either use open-source or in-house physics engines these days.

>>61829615
cool. i plan on doing x264 overnight at stock to establish a baseline, then starting to increment that "Game Boost" up and repeat tests for at least 4 hours

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>>61829580
>>61829637
muh decade old games i guess?

>>61829642

any reason why? do you run a lot of CPU intensive tasks or are you trying to get a feel for what a reasonable temperature should be?

>>61829589
Power loss aka heat is governed by I^2*R.
So yes resistance plays a part but the resistance difference from CPU to CPU is minuscule due to the size of the die. So electricity (current) difference is what causes some processors to run warmer. You want to take a guess what governs the amount of current in a processor?

>>61828845
1. EVGA
2. SeaSonic
[POWER GAP]
7. Any other PSU in your wattage range with a 5 stars/eggs rating
[VAST POWER CHASM]
9001. Anything else
9002. Logisys

>>61829650
Yeah, physx is dead. The consoles cant use physx and it was too performance draining anyway. Havoc and Bullet have much better solutions for physics emulation.

>>61829656
the x264 is a practical test; i do video encoding often so the CPU will be pegged occasionally. not very often, but often enough that i want to know that i'm not running too close to the sun

i'm getting a feel for reasonable temperature for all of this, i.e. if i find that a setting runs me at like 94C i'm probably going to back off so environmental issues can't suddenly get me close to tj max

hope this maxes sense

>>61829618
Silicon lottery means every CPU is different in some manner but the general specs like max temp, max voltage should apply across all CPUs of the same model. Read a overclocking guide and follow it. You will never break a CPU that way.

>>61829580
PhysX stuff has a huge framerate penalty on AMD, so he's partially correct. However the number of PhysX titles is quite small and it mostly affects small things such as hanging cloths or litter scattering around on explosions. You can disable those things, they're all just eyecandy.

>>61829650
That list is somewhat misleading; there are no PhysX-only games, just games with PhysX features.

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>>61829678
>they're all just eyecandy.
ISN'T THAT THE FUCKING POINT HERE PAL

>>61829657
Does this mean a superconductor CPU has infinite processing power

>>61829633
>This CPU is inferior to the other CPU but think of UPGRADE PATH

>>61829678
>>61829693
>PhysX stuff has a huge framerate penalty on AMD
Not really, just Nvidias implementation of physx caused that. Unreal 4, Frostbite 3, Unity, ID Tech 6 all have physics components that run just fine on AMD GPU. In fact, all of these engines except for Unreal 4 can run physical emulation better on AMD GPU due to hardware ASYNC. Unreal uses a modified version of nvidia tech(nvidia helped in the construction of Unreal 4). But the Unreal 4 implementation is nowhere as bad as the old Physx stuff in terms of performance.

>>61829709
uh... yes?

like if you're planning on upgrading down the line
it's absolutely a consideration in play
is the "inferior" cpu SO MUCH worse than choosing the superior CPU and turning down the upgrade path?

budgets have decision trees lad
this is one of em

>>61829707
Yes

>>61829707
When did more power consumed = more processing power?

I mean faildozer is a prime example of a CPU that consumes more power and performs like shit.

>>61829674
recommend a good one? there's so many barely-blogspot-level writing guides, assuming you know terms... pain in the ass to find a good one i guess

>>61829715
No upgrade path is worth getting a shit bulldozer. Literally scamming your money. I rather sit on whatever i own and buy a proper upgrade down the road.

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I'm about to do an upgrade to Ryzen
Are these good parts to do that with? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T6BFM8

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>mfw 2x 4TB drives for $100 each

>>61829717
ok thank

>>61829731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjIweExETlI

People shit on LTT all the time but I think as a beginner you can't go wrong with this.

>>61829709
See
>>61829494
Exactly what would make the AMD CPUs worse if you can overclock them to run at the same frequencies as the G4560? You're a big boy, use your words instead of just crying out IT'S OBJECTIVELY WORSE like a 4 year old who just made a poopie in his diapers

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>>61829739

>>61829736
i honestly don't have a dog in this fight, i didn't even read the whole reply history of what you're going on about

but the general idea that "fuck future upgrade paths" is the best path every time for every build is asinine to espouse

>>61829759
I haven't built a PC in years
What exactly is wrong with them?

>>61829753
his videos are pretty OK for youtube tech videos, that are usually cringe-laden shit

thanks

>>61829757
>Same frequency = same performance across 2 different CPUs
Hahahaha very funny moron.

So waiting for vega was pointless, since it looks like i won't be able to get one now. And with even Polaris grossly overpriced.. looks like my "all red" PC plan is dead.

>>61829766
Upgrade paths are worth considering.
But not when you have to buy a bulldozer shit.

>>61829785
>but the general idea that "fuck future upgrade paths" is the best path every time for every build is asinine to espouse
like did you even fucking read retard

>>61829774
You're right, the AMD CPUs will have better performance since they're quad cores and not dual cores. Thanks for proving that you don't have an argument aside from HURR DURR IT'S OBJECTIVELY WORSE

>>61829781
i love "i regret i didn't buy a pc part" posts

just buy your fucking shit, idiots

>>61829791
>the AMD CPUs will have better performance since they're quad cores and not dual cores
Haven't I seen this argument before. Right. Bulldozer.

What are some good itx boards for r5/7? I got an itx for my old i5 and a Phanteks itx. I really want 4 satas.

>>61829822
What socket?

>>61829802
Did you just wake up after going into a coma back in 2012?

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What do?

>>61829797
Eh, at this point it's "can't get vega, might as well get a 1080" for me.

>>61829833
Have you tried changing your boot device and rebooting?

>>61829830
For a moment I thought so since someone was trying to shill a bulldozer CPU on /g/

>>61829833
Reboot and select a proper boot device.

i've got a 1050ti sitting around doing nothing and want to build an htpc. i've got a dinky little gigabyte BRIX right now that chokes cocks on 1080p youtube videos

obviously i can't use the 1050 on this system. i've got an ssd for it i can reuse, but what's a good small mobo and cpu combo that'll mate with the 1050 to do like... 4k@60hz video?

>>61829822
my friend has the biostar x370, he seems to like it. I'd recommend the asrock boards but there have been a few issues with ryzen.

>>61829829
>r5/7
AM4, my friend, for those sweet Ryzen friends. I'll maybe wait for Ryzen+ and still use one of these b350/x370.

>>61829822
The best looking AM4 ITX board out at the moment seems to be gigabyte's, Apparently something on ASrock's overheats last i heard?

>>61829802
>Hurr durr AMD just took the same CPUs from 2012 and released them again
Do you actually have Downs syndrome?

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>>61829739
Please respond

>>61829866
That is actually what they are doing here you fucking idiot since these CPUs are based on the bulldozer architecture. How can you fucking not comprehend this you imbecile?

>>61829873
By that some logic Intel has been re-releasing P4 for fucking years since all of their stuff since then has been based off of it
Please stop posting

>>61829873
Okay, you really are retarded if you've manage to go this far into the argument without realizing that it's on a new chipset with all the features that comes with it, along with tweaked power consumption

>>61829838
>>61829841
I put in a Windows 10 USB and restarted, that worked.

Is it normal to hear a bit of a low rumbling that comes and goes, besides just the fan noise?
I think it's my HDD, I mounted it using those plastic rail things, but I wasn't able to screw it in because none of the screws would go in.

>>61829739
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/24D6Z8

>>61829885
P4 architecture isn't borked like bulldozer one is.

>>61829895
Hurrr durrr please buy my Bulldozer.

>>61829854
But what model?

>>61829848
I can get the Biostar for 130€, it looks pretty OK and has ram up to 3200, so I'll probably go with that.

>>61829920
>Yes goy! Buy Intel! There's nothing wrong with selling dual core CPUs in 2017 at $80 without even being able to overclock them!
I wonder who's behind this post?

>>61829938
I would ask you to buy Ryzen but I can't in good faith recommend Bulldozer variants to anyone cause of how fucking shit it is.

>>61829950
>Ryzen
>Bulldozer variant
What

>>61829916
What improvements have you added?
The memory is slightly slower, but I do notice that its a good price per GB ratio for DDR4
The motherboard doesn't look like much of an improvement for me (I'm not planing on needing much out of it. Though I do want a M2 port with NVME support for the eventual SSD)

>>61829976
The bristol ridge APUs.
The raven ridge is what you want.

>>61829868
I built a system with that same asrock mobo, it's solid as a rock. Update the bios, out of the box my ram was slow af until I did that

Other complaint is my ethernet jack on the mobo is a little tight and its a pita to get a cable out after I put it in

>>61829983
sweet spot for price/performance ram frequency is 3000mhz. Asrock have had some problems with their ryzen boards lately (one of their boards is EOL after a few months).

>>61826071
>>61826071

At least get it on reddits microsoftsoftwareswap, you get pro for 40-50$ there and it is legit.

>>61830030
I know Ryzen is very sensitive to RAM speed, is 3000mhz a big difference in speed compared to 3200mhz?

>>61826096

Why do you care about the numbers in some artificial benchmark? Bench your system with the workload you're actually throwing at it regularly (time it).

Are AMD Epyc CPUs already obtainable? Where can I buy one or when are they supposed to be obtainable?

>>61826125

Why two headsets? They're both pretty shit, either way, just combine their price and get something that is not gaming related. Headphones that work beautifully for music and movies will also be really good for games.

>>61830123
No.

>>61828548

>>>/x/

Why does it always have to be a fucking conspiracy, especially when normal, simple, rational explanations for perfectly?

>>61829206

Don't buy a bluray drive. Almost no video player can play bluray on pc, because they fear the piracy, so in addition to an expensive drive you'd also need to buy proprietary software to actually watch your blurays.

Planning on upgrading to a 1060 6GB. Will it be bottlenecked by i7 3770k at stock clock? Or am I ok

>>61830462
No.

>>61830333
wow this sucks. my brother let me take his old blu ray/hd dvd drive and i didn't even realize i can't do shit with it. should probably just throw it away

>>61829900

Find screws. HDDs should be fixed. There should have been some either with the case or with the HDD. Most modern cases have rubber thingies to go between the HDD and the case itself so any vibration shouldn't be audible.

I have 4 HDDs in my case and I haven't ever heard any of them.

Should I even consider paying for Windows 10, or should I just go on with an unactivated copy (at least for some time)? Anyone here uses an unactivated one?

>>61830154
i believe they are currently only available to OEM like supermicro, HP, etc. right now

>>61830483

Well if you already have the drive, you can try compiling mpv with libbluray and see what works. But the Bluray standard is so fucked for PC users that 99/100 times it is easier to just pirate the movie and live with the slightly worse picture / sound quality than try to run it natively.

>>61830588
I've used unactivated, 0 problems in day to day use. If you need it for feel like it just spring for a discounted key online, or pirate a key like a real man

Tip for newfags:

Remember, no russian.
(Don't buy Russian parts.)

I need a cheap PC build for efficient work from home, no freezes when working in Premiere Pro:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z7d3Yr

How fucked am I?

>>61831255
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dKMqZ8
20 ish more or so, but this will absolutely slaughter the pentium for premier

>>61830588
Just buy an OEM copy, it'll be more like $60 rather than the full $100