AHAHAHAHAHAHA

CUNT
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>murricans
into the trash it goes

>strayn

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>>61759557
>murricans
fuck you cunt

>copper is slow maymay

wtf do you think lan cables are made of?

>>61759509
Who's decision was this?

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>>61759629

>>61759605
Are you retarded? Can you not see the difference between a *local* area network and long-distance Internet cabling? Fuck off shill.

>>61759605
>wtf do you think lan cables are made of?
mine are fibre, why do you ask ?

>>61759605
Copper is pretty shitty, I can get up to 40 gbps with fiber to the home

>>61759605
It's slow and inefficient compared to the theoretical maximum speed that fiber can reach

>>61759605
Exactly, ftth is wrought with interference issues still, last mile should always be coax and DOCSIS 3.1

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Copper > Fiber
(please don't spill me)

>>61759605
LAN cables only work about 100m before attenuation hits the limit, then you have to start putting in repeaters.

That's enough for your house to the pole outside, but even if they put fibre down the street with switches on the poles to deliver LAN cable to your house that's
1) stretching the limits for distance
2) fucking stupid to have to put powered fucking switches all over the place

Fibre is far more practical and supports higher bandwidth.

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I swear this whole government NBN shit is just surveillance
I'm staying on my shite network

>YFW YOU DON'T LIVE IN AUSFAILIA

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>>61759846

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>mfw i have fttp but too poor to afford higher than copper speeds

Why did Australians elect an actual jew again?

>>61759864
You must not be that poor because I get gigabit over copper here

>>61759667
>local area network
OP is talking about his LAN

>>61759674
>mine are fibre
how much $$ per m to set up?

>>61759732
how much did it cost to install?

>>61759741
that's ignoring price

>>61759796
thanks for the lesson in basic networking 101
porches are fast and shit too so why aren't all the police driving them?

>>61759791
free (You)

>>61759890
>free (You)

This is objectively true in the West until the light-interference issues with ftth are resolved and construction has finished.

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>>61759872
He nearly lost. Honestly both choices are terrible.

>>61759605
"copper" in this context, is referring to POTS/telephone cabling, not cat5/6 cabling

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>DUDE WHO NEEDS FASTER INTERNET WE'RE SHUTTING IT DOWN TO SAVE YOU ALL MONEY
>*breaks contracts and pays out millions for nothing*
>*forces operators to make last minute, unplanned changes at high expense*
>*costs far exceed projections anyway*
>*save hardly any money at all*
>f-fuck you guys this is fine...

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>>61759919
internet is only for pornography
no one needs it, especially businesses

>>61759950
this, internet is just for porn and media pirace, nobody needs it
who cares if you need to move and get a business tier line just to be able to have a legible skype video conversation with your coworkers?

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>>61759950
>boss asks me to research the cost of upgrading to FTTP for the business because he has a lot of client data he wants backed up off site regularly
>do my thing, write up a pretty blazing report
>before handing it in I tell him he's not going to like it
>he's fucking shocked to find out it would cost at least $20k if not more and less than 30 Australians have even paid for this option
>could even cost up to $160k, you need to pay for a quote from NBN co to even find out what you're in for or if they'll do it
what's better, according to NBN co themselves FTTP would cost about $4.5k per premises, FTTN is costing about $2.5k to $3.5k per premises.
The FTTP installation costs they're quoting are being marked up to ridiculous levels to try and make back ground on all the losses of breaking contracts and poor management.

>>61759828
You can't. You have 18 months to switch over to NBN once it becomes available in your neighbourhood, and the old networks get switched off. If you haven't got NBN by then, you'll be disconnected.

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"So long as they can read the Sun on the google and get footy scores, then they'll be happy, why the blood hell would they need it anyway? Can't we just put nets on the internet tubes?"

-Australian Government, ~2017

>>61759919
>Slow connections plaguing the National Broadband Network would have been even worse under Labor’s gold-plated scheme because the costly bandwidth charges that are causing the problem would have been up to three times higher.

>The assessment comes from New Street Research’s Ian Martin, who added that if NBN Co had stuck with the former Labor government’s plan the likely losses to taxpayers over the scheme would have been “$50 billion to $60bn”, as opposed to an estimated $30bn under the Coalition’s approach.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labors-nbn-triple-the-costs-and-glacial-speeds/news-story/6699c4a288dc2a402efda86cf93153d2

>>61759919
That's not even the worst part. The worst part is that there is no alternative to the NBN for fixed line services. The government has forced a monopoly stranglehood on the telecommunications sector, which was deemed illegal back in the 90's when Telstra was trying to monopolise the market.

Oh look here comes /r/left_wing_faggits

>fiber is better cuz muh feels

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>>61760000
NBN Co's costs would've blown out, but it would've still been cheaper to stick to the plan and not buy all that copper.

>tfw i have FTTP
>tfw rest of country could've had this world class infrastructure
>tony/malcolm fucked us for decades

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>>61760035
>only "Planned" mid 2018

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>>61759644

>>61759890
>porches are fast and shit too so why aren't all the police driving them?
Because the majority of police cars need to be able to stick people in the back and secure the drivers from them.
Also, high speed isn't really necessary for police cars. If some faggot is going at 200km/h the police don't want to get into a high speed chase because it gets really dangerous for them and for bystanders. If you'll slow down just because of some flashing lights behind you then they don't really need a car that can easily outpace you.

Also, also, Porches are shit. Paul Walker died in one.

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>>61760050
>https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/79304-full-fibre-nbn-only-by-2030,-will-cost-$30b-more-expert.html

I too can quote news articles.

>>61760065
Cheaper to get it right the first time than replace everything twice with the mixed approach.

reminder that the NBN as is is literally worse than nothing.
Liberals should have just abandoned the project if they hated it so much, spent the money on something else.

>>61759509
The marvels of free market

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>>61759509
NBN is available where i am as of about 2 months ago, but i'd rather wait until it's more tried and tested with others choosing nbn so that the infrastructure will be in place. Obviously don't have the upload bandwidth but i hit the download bandwidth 24/7. Even during afternoons it doesn't slow down at all on the old hfc network. NBN here is being done over HFC and not FTTN which however is apparently a positive, as if i can already get 100mbps down and be the last house on the line with current hfc, chances are under the hfc nbn it'll be similar (obviously won't be over that amount). Under hfc cable its marketed as 100/2.5 for the connection, but given by Telstra as 120/3, due to being about 6km from the exchange though it still seems to keep its speed. The issues as well with FTTN or so i've heard is beyond say 800m from an exchange you're basically only guaranteed the slower speed tier, i.e. 25/5. Whereas hfc based nbn/fttp etc. from what nbn co/telstra seem to indicate will still be able to get around 100mbps in most cases.

GET ME OUT OF HERE

>>61760159
The problem with FTTP zealots is none of them have any understanding of economics. They literally want the entire NBN scheme to be a complete government write-off where the government will subsidize everybody's monthly bandwidth fees.

It's socialism under the guise of "internet infrastructure" which still has no cost-benefit-analysis other than rhetorical bullshit like "muh e-health".

>>61760201
except what they went with is worse than nothing.
I get what you're saying, people want their 4k netflix to be paid by the guberment.
But what we get instead is ridiculously expensive and no faster than what was already available 5 years ago.

>>61760220
>But what we get instead is ridiculously expensive and no faster than what was already available 5 years ago.
That might be the case for people living in major cities, but in regional areas, as in outside of melbourne, sydney, brisbane, adelaide, and perth, the adsl was shit.

>>61760220
I agree the government fucked it up, but too many advocates of FTTP are basically trying to hide their economic socialism under a guise of "muh infrastructure". Much like how many immigration policy critics are hiding their open border views under a guise of human right protection.

What NBN should have been IMO is a market failure scheme, where the government focuses exclusively on providing good internet services to bum-fuck-knows-where, areas that commercial companies will never touch.

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>>61760252
that's fine, they got facilitated first.
let them have their upgrades.
The NBN is slower than cable here and they want to charge me more with no option to stick with my current plan.

>>61760255
yeah but I've already pointed out my boss's business got fucked over by this scheme which gives virtually no option to pay up for fiber.
$20-160k is not reasonable for a lot of businesses that could actually use that faster internet in order to stay competitive.

And how is this not still a level of socialism when all the other networks such as cable are getting shut down and everyone is forced to use NBN?

>>61760201
That's true, but doing the regional parts would have never stood up to cost/benefit analysis anyway.

>>61760255
That's what it is, but it also includes the metro cities eventually. Now no one gets the proper benefit.

>>61760255
>What NBN should have been IMO is a market failure scheme, where the government focuses exclusively on providing good internet services to bum-fuck-knows-where, areas that commercial companies will never touch.
I agree with this. It would also give people and businesses an incentive to move outside of major capital cities, which would benefit a lot of people and towns.

>>61760282
>And how is this not still a level of socialism when all the other networks such as cable are getting shut down and everyone is forced to use NBN?
My point is that the situation was fucked either of the ways the two major parties were planning for.

>>61760201


Right, and building a broken inferior network that can't pay for its self is solid economics.

>>61760314
that's fair, but back to my point I would have preferred literally nothing.
Liberal party hated the project, they should have scrapped further progress when they won the election and only facilitated the rural areas that needed it or already had it.

Instead they paid up more to give us all shitty plans and a network monopoly.
Worse than absolutely nothing, should have spent it on ANYTHING else.

>>61759919
Hey, lay off Abbott. Copper is all his Amiga needs.

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>>61760255
>>61760201
>>61760282

>SOCIALISM IS BAAAAAD

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>>61760353
>nazi frog likes socialism
what a surprise

>>61760353
Hey, the government doing a market failure scheme like I suggested IS socialism writ small. I'm totally for that. What these FTTP motherfuckers really want is socialism writ large.

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>>61760381
FTTP is cheaper in the long run, just not installing it in the metro.

>>61760381

Nation scale infrastructure projects are always going to be "socialism". It is not realistic for the NBN to make a commercial return straight away as we are finding out.

A market failure scheme wouldn't address that lack of competition at the retail level and the fact that the infrastructure is a natural monopoly.

>>61759890
>that's ignoring price

oh you're right we should spend all our money on slow infrastructure because the speed/$ is better

>>61760416
I'd totally be for the government rolling out FTTP to those regional areas, even if it means ironically giving them better internet in the short-term than metro areas. Trying to revive copper in this day and age is pretty stupid, yes. Anyway, the real reason FTTP has those high costs is rolling it out to so many metro homes, not rolling it out over long distances. There aren't that many homes in rural areas, so the cost of fixing market failure there would be relatively low even with FTTP.

>>61760423
The competition issues can be addressed in different ways, certainly nationalizing the fibre doesn't do any help. Open up the market, and then let competition between the different providers build fibre in metro areas. It'll happen eventually because the companies are always seeking to outdo each other - it's basic economic theory that in areas of thriving demand that the supply WILL come as long as the laws aren't constraining it.

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>>61759846
>mfw I'm leaving straya in four days

>>61760508
Where are you going?

Make sure to vote Labor at the next election cunts.

>>61760487
They were rolling out FTTP to regional areas before the NBN became a "mix of technologies".

>>61760549
i don't want a union official to legally come into my workplace with a giant strap-on ready to deliver punishment to anybody who didn't get a membership

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>US
>shit internet

>UK
>shit internet

>Canada
>shit internet

>Australia
>shit internet

>New Zealand
>???

What is wrong with anglos?

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>>61760549
Better than voting for the Libs under Dutton.

The ABC are currently putting together a 1 hr news story on the NBN since the last one they did in 2013. Should be interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgO-U8C3CBc

>>61760519
Back to Norway, after 10 months down here.

>>61760590
t. Tradelet

>>61760194
I had VDSL 2 at one point, and I was getting 95 down and 60 up, this was non-NBN

>>61759667
copper can provide 100/100 given it has vectoring tech on the box
http://www.capacitymedia.com/Article/2986517/What-is-vectoring-technology
i assume this is what they going to do (?)

>>61760773
i'm earning more money than you mr web developer

>>61760817
So FTTN (which i'm assuming is VDSL?) won't be so bad? I know a lot of criticisms of the inadequate performance is moreso due to ISP's not buying enough back-haul at the exchanges/nodes from NBN who owns the equipment, is that why customers are only getting the slower speeds, or does the problem likely lie elsewhere? I'm stuck on HFC based NBN and I know that, i just hope it won't be a shit-shoot and lead to much slower downloads, even though having the higher upload would be nice.

>>61760837
>Speed drops off with distance
Its shit.

>>61760876
depends on the tech
adsl can go up to 100/100
vdsl can go up to 400/400

>>61759509
That is fucking retarded! If NBNco now owns Telstra's velocity network why don't they just use the existing fibre infrastructure.

>>61760901
He could do it. It's just Whirlpool hyper-ventilating again about the NBN. They already have a form to go for this kind of thing.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/technology-choice-program/individual-premises-switch.html

>>61760892
In all xDSL technologies the speed drops off with distance. Unless you live next to the exchange AND have good copper (majority isn't) you won't get anywhere near those speeds.

>>61760920
you're wrong on this one.
this is not a real choice.
You have to pay over $600 to get a quote and then the installation costs can be $20k to hundreds of thousands for the single premises.
Less than 30 people in all of Australia have taken part in this program and paid extra for fiber according to the Senate.

This is not a real option for Australians, it's a ruse to make them think they have an option to switch up later.

>>61760933
this tech is from the box to the house you have a classic FTTN and from there the vectoring box to copper

no one fucking said they will provide this out from the center

>>61760605
>New Zealand
>???
It's decent here. Gigabit fibre (FTTP) is available in basically all major cities.
There are lots of ISPs who all share government funded infrastructure, so you aren't cucked into a single ISP.

>>61760937
The infrastructure is already there though and owned by NBN already, so surely all he'd have to pay a nominal fee for the official "switch-over" from Velocity FTTN to NBN FTTN.

>>61760954
buddy it's a shitshow.
Everyone has to switch to NBN, it doesn't matter if you already have FTTN or cable.
See the OP, they're tearing out fiber to replace with copper.

Not only this but the nodes they're using are not just like a modular network switch where you can replace copper with fiber, they actually usually need to run the fiber from much further down the network to the the premises which ramps up the cost.
Being situated right outside where the node is positioned may not do you any favors at all if you want to switch as a result.

I had to look into all this for my work, if you look at the prices real australians have had to pay and the numbers brought up in the Senate, the "choice" is just them charging a monumental price to pretend like we have a choice.
There is no room for common sense or compromises made on individual levels.

Also our lord and savior Malcolm Turnbull lied when he said any time there is bad copper it would be replaced with fiber, nothing of the sort has been done.

>>61760870
I'm a remedial therapist, actually. Work for myself, work the hours I want, charge $85/hr for easy peasy work.
feelsgoodman.tiff

>>61761047
i guess i should stop assuming everybody on /g/ is a web developer

>>61761084
I'm only here to shitpost and post AMD BTFO threads.

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Fixed wireless peak speeds at 4pm

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6516484993

Paying for 50/20mbit only get it in the middle of the night nbn is a joke it's also down every other day

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>right wing retards fucking things up for everyone* once again
why is anyone surprised?

*everyone does not include those few hundred people able to afford to pay their own fibre installations

>>61761144
Lodge a coimplaint with the ombudsman if you haven't already.

>>61761185
Doesn't do any good.

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>>61761147
>Australians
>right wing

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>FTTN is bad for everyone

>>61760255
>I agree the government fucked it up, but too many advocates of FTTP are basically trying to hide their economic socialism under a guise of "muh infrastructure". Much like how many immigration policy critics are hiding their open border views under a guise of human right protection.
>FTTP equals socialism
I.....what

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>>61761144
>I'm going to be forced down to this from constants 30Mbps
disgusting.
LET ME KEEP MY CABLE YOU FUCKS

>>61761147
>those few hundred people
it's way less than that, last I checked not even 50 people had paid to be switched.

>>61761284
Had labors plan gone ahead we would be at 1gbps now and planning 10gbit and beyond.

That said fixed wireless and fttn where always gonna be shit

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>>61759890
>porches are fast
wat

>>61760201
uber richfag capitalist here, i think the FTTN shit is retarded and plain corruption.

It was promised to be an easier rollout and cheaper. It's now costing the same to get a worse network.

In theory, it would be cheaper but in reality the taxpayer will pay the same and cunts will steal most of the cash.

Should have stuck with the original plan and they would not have stolen as much cream off the top.

>>61761302
but muh money

>>61761389
There should be laws about not ripping down plans made by the previous government, shit is retarded

so what's the story with the "new" fixed wireless antenna? how long until its available?

>>61759509
Fucking backward ass country

>>61761419
>wireless

>>61760156
Paul Walker died because he let his drunk retard friend drive and - surprise surprise - he didn't know how to fucking control the car at high speed.

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>>61759509
Who /FTTH/ here?

>>61761197
Not the moment you lodge it, but as the complaints mount action will have to be taken. NBN boss has been in defense mode the last couple of weeks trying to deflect criticism and complaints made to the ombudsman in record numbers.

Make a complaint or forever be a limp wristed cuck.

>>61759901
This. They were both fucking retards and they will all continue to be fucking retards.

>>61759919
If they just got rid of the monopolistic regulations it would cost pennies.

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>live in Texas
>fiber was installed as close as a block away but the project was halted years ago
>stuck on 70/6 unless I move

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>>61761488
Me

>>61761047
should've become a web developer, get 15 bucks an hour more for contract work.

>>61759872
>>61759901
>>61761544
older generations are always going to be somewhat at odds with the needs of the newer generation, technology changes create new necessities

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>>61761113
Figures that an Intel shill would be someone who literally hangs out with retards all day.

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>>61761488
FTTH in the US here, largest GPON subscriber in the nation. And essentially what the NBN was modeled after before they went full retard with copper last mile and fixed wireless bullshit.

>>61760487
>The competition issues can be addressed in different ways, certainly nationalizing the fibre doesn't do any help. Open up the market, and then let competition between the different providers build fibre in metro areas. It'll happen eventually because the companies are always seeking to outdo each other - it's basic economic theory that in areas of thriving demand that the supply WILL come as long as the laws aren't constraining it.
you clearly have no idea what "competition" and the "free markets" have done in other parts of the world, regarding internet services...
protip: they try to get as much money as they can, while offering shitty services that barely work. and they don't give a shit about small towns

>>61761721
http://www.baka.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/myrepublic-broadband-startup-arrives-in-australia-with-100-mbps-true-nbn-offering-20161103-gshbip.html

>>61761650
FIOS?

>>61760837
>copper can provide 100/100 given it has vectoring tech on the box
And fiber does 1000/1000 or more fucktard

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>>61761763
yup

>tfw i live in shitty european country, but i have in my apartment 2 ftth installations

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I get this for 60 aud

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>>61761778
>tfw stuck in Bongistan with this connection
It wouldn't be so bad if we had symmetrical connections over here, the upload speed is always gimped.

Thinking about moving over to the US in the future tbqh

>>61760000
Cheked...
But not keked.
Try harder next time!

>>61761836
I'm in the same boat my guy

sadness

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>>61761876
wow, that's actually pretty sad. You'd think an island the size of Ohio could manage to get FTTH to the majority of the cities anyway...

>>61761876
>Thinking about moving over to the US in the future tbqh

fuck off, we're full

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>>61760194

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>>61761928
>tfw too intelligent to let more white immigrants in
>60% white and dropping

:^)

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>>61761947
dat ping tho

>>61761914
The vast majority of wired telecoms infrastructure is still owned and ran by the privatised national telephone company (BT). It's in their interest to fuck everyone over so they can't compete with them. They've been deploying FTTC and more rarely FTTH.

The government is forcing BT to run their infrastructure arm as a separate company to try and prevent this conflict of interest.

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>>61761947
MFW I just realised >faster than 80% of AU.

>>61761962
Doesn't count when I live here. I'd honestly expect better but oh well~

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$120 AUD ADSL2+

>>61759890
It was free to install

>>61762073
My fixed wireless is $70 a month for 500gb so shite

>>61762206
you must live in a marginal labor seat

kek

>>61760201
>FTTP
I think you mean FTTH.

>>61759509
why isnt goverment stepping in and fixing this shit? East/Northern Europe/Asia seems to get good internet at low cost do to the fact goverment are the once subsidizing fiber expenses, so lots of small operators are driving down costs, so you can get 300mbit/1gbit for 15$. Yet western europe/americunts/australians seems to have huge fucking monopoly in which literally single company owns entire city and literally extorts people of there money for 20mbit.

>>61761778
>using ookla
cable companies literally pay them to fuck with the results.
speedof.me
fast.com
testmy.net
torrenting a gnu/linux livecd

literally anything but ookla and the ISP websites.

>>61761876
Why would you move to nigger/jewistan?
Have fun getting shot in the warzone, retard. No jobs over there either you stupid cunt.

The only thing worse than being an American is being an Australian

>>61762806
They're the same thing

FTTP is fiber to the premises
FTTH is fiber to the home

Premises is simply more ambiguous of a term than home.

>>61761751
yes, dipshit, this is how it works. the company starts up and provides decent, maybe even good, service to compete. once they effectly monopolize, you get Cuntcast, Bell, Microshaft, etc. government run things CAN be improved with just a little effort from the people; private entities cannot and will not improve unless they are legally forced to. what else would you do? stop using the internet? they know you won't and can't do that.

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>>61763118
Fuck off, how's steam? Think ISPs pay off valve?

>>61760605
I can't speak for the others but the UK's problem is
poorly handled privatisation that just created a giga monopoly (nearly all the cabling is owned by one company which just leases it out to other ISPs), combined with the fact that the infrastructure is all Victorian-era telephone shit which neither the corporations nor the government want to foot the bill to fix.

>>61763201
why are you getting so buttblasted? i didn't say you were bullshitting about your connection. just don't use paid misinformation services to verify something.

>>61759509
>Aussie internet
Even third world countries in Asia have faster speeds and are much cheaper.

>>61762930
American cultural influence is especially strong in anglo countries, who have fallen victim to the "taxes = socialism = bad" meme. Good luck getting any public projects like that funded.

>>61763118
>torrenting a gnu/linux livecd
This is a complete shit way of measuring speed, not only will the torrent be too small to let a Gbit connection ramp up to its full speed but you'll also get a vast majority of shit-tier seeds/peers which probably won't be able to feed your connection anyway. If you want to measure practical connection speed using torrents you need to use a large (>10GB) torrent from a private tracker where you either get a few seedboxes to feed you or some other high-speed internet users.

In my personal experience ookla tends to estimate my real-world speed (private torrents, Steam, etc.) fairly accurately. I don't think I've ever seen speedtest.net overestimate my speed, though sometimes it's actually slower than what torrents manage.

>>61763328
>Gbit connection
most people don't have these
>vast majority of shit-tier seeds/peers
no
>from a private tracker
stopped reading here.

>>61763151
In what way, fuckwit?

>Having a retard president that sperg tweets at all hours of the night
>Niggers shooting up citizens in the streets and ever growing ghettos without consequence because black lives matter yo
>Millions worth of student/medical debt making a good argument for shit tons of suicides and not even a job at the end of the worthless stay at the college.
>ISPs that would fuck your mother given half the chance, on top of hardcore spying, adding data caps that were never there before AND shit speeds on top of all of that
>Literally having jews voting to block / throttle certain websites for no reason other than ego, with no public voice in sight.
>Government entirely bought out by corporations, and laws made by them to benefit them alone.
>Schools which literally lose funding if their school-shooter white students forget how to memorise the date they chucked tea in the harbour on a standardised test, causing a decline in the general intelligence and aptitude of the population

Versus

>A retard Prime Minister that's likely to get kicked out if shit gets full autism
>A _gradually_ declining ISP market with still good options if you know where to look
>A semi competent education / healthcare system
>Australia tax
>Actually fucking working gun amnesties with gun-related crimes fairly rare as opposed to hundreds a times a day or more.
>being bought out by chinks.

I don't know about you but staying in spiderland with all its problems is far better than getting shot by a nigger in a collapsing war-torn country.

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>>61761330
Don't worry it's retarded. His incoherent screeching will be over soon.

>>61763363
autism

>>61763363
>she actually got this mad and defensive over a one line joke and typed out several paragraphs that noone will read

>>61763228
Paid misinformation? I get the same results from everything I use. Also speedof.me and testmy.net use too small file sizes to be relevant for 1gbps+ connections. At least their East coast servers.

>>61763363
Anon is sort of right we have way more white collar crime and Melbourne Sydney and other cities are disgusting full of immigrants and high crime rates nonetheless.

Also the most expensive place to live in the world and to top it all off the highest personal debt and housing prices in history.

All of these problems pale in comparison to UK/eu when I went there but still our cops and pollies are literally retarded

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>>61763341
>no
Oh yes, I've never gotten a peer which I could download from at say >15MB/s on a Linux ISO torrent. Lots of people with slow ("normal") internet connections download and seed those, it's statistically unlikely to connect to the few high-speed seeds in a very large swarm. Peer quality on private trackers which are made up of lots of high-speed users or of seedboxes are much more capable of saturating a Gbit connection, speaking from practical experience. The average available upload bandwidth per peer is higher and the swarms are smaller, so it's much easier to get a connection to a few fast peers.

Slamming your head against the wall because you dislike reality won't change anything. Pic related, downloaded Ubuntu 17.04 64b using rtorrent on my Gbit connection. As you can see the ~1.5GB file size is insufficient to ramp up to anything resembling full speed. The download is already over way before rtorrent connects to sufficient (slow) peers to saturate my connection. This "test" is completely worthless to gauge high-speed connections.

>>61763552
Can confirm.

I've seen 80MB/s from 4 seeders on a private tracker. Whereas I'll struggle to break 30-40MB/s from a public tracker torrent with 40-50 seeders connected.

>>61760487

Competition issues could be handled by the govt. owning the infrastructure and letting commercial actors renting access to it.

Just like transport companies using government roads are still private entities.

Then again, I'm always flabbergasted when I see the retarded ways other countries go about things.

> Norway needs fiber
> Government says every municipality needs to have THIS good fiber access at every municipal level school, and every county needs to have it for their high school. They have $n years to do this, and you can apply for money, if you do this and this.

> Local municipalities and counties contract private enterprise to lay fiber

> Suddenly, the price to get fiber just about anywhere is pretty decently low.

And as a result, montain villages in the middle of nowhere with 6 000 inhabitants and 14 000 in the entire municipality has 4 different providers to choose form, and one of them is a local company selling from a Joomla! webpage.

Meanwhile Australia has flat fucking desert and can't lay a fucking cable. What's the fucking problem, do the abbos eat the isolation or some shit?

>>61763675
Yeah, I've uploaded/download to a single seedbox at ~30MB/s. You don't get peers like that in public places, even if they're there in the swarm it's not likely your client will actually connect to them.

>>61760630
Velkommen hjem.

>>61761785
Isn't FTTH pretty much the standard though?

>>61762930
In my home town, Bergen, there is pretty fierce competition over the fiber customers.
The two largest players is the municipal electricity company BKK, and the government owned telephone company Telenor.
Several private companies have already dropped out as they don't have the ability to offer as good service at as low costs. Competition is nice indeed. And Telenor is pretty fucking bro-tier when it comes to Customer Service too.

There is the Swedish Government's telephone company moving in, but I doubt they're going to take over.

Capitalism, ho!

>>61763552
didn't read your post. like i said, i stopped reading at "private tracker."

>>61764168
He makes a decent point.

The sum of it being, your torrent client won't connect to enough seeders to ever sustain more than 30MB/s on the vast majority of torrents from public trackers.

>>61764317
sounds like he's retarded then. i hit 70-80MB/s on quite a few public torrents when i was living in university dorms and had 800/800.

>>61764389
Bullshit, or you were lucky. In a pool of 1000 seeders your client is very unlikely going to connect to the fast uploaders. Possible, but highly unlikely. Generally you'll get 30-50 random seeders with 75% of the giving less than 100kbps. Maybe a handful giving actually useful 3-5MB/s+.