Rumor - Radeon RX Vega 56 Faster Than A GTX 1070?

>>61731669

Maybe the HBM2 starts shining in 2K+ resolutions, hence the rumor.

[spoiler]I'm not even team red and I still wish it were true because the green jews would finally drop their prices with Volta.[/spoiler]

>>61731669
>wccftech

get the fuck out

>>61731669
Was that even up for a debate? Ofc it's faster than 1070.

>>61731845
Tweak Town

Vega 56 new 390?

Repeat after me:

1070 level performance

>>61732723
>Vega 56 has 1070+ level performance
Yeah, and?

>>61731837
>spoiler tags on /g/
lel

>>61731837
>bigger dies
>drop prices
Does not compute.

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>>61732856
>best GPU
>cant beat nvidia 5th best GPU

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>>61732997
>815mm^2 dies
>can't beat SSG

>>61732997
Vega 56 is the cut-down version you wojak spamming failure.

>>61733022
>nvidiots don't even have 2TB of memory on their gpu

>>61733064
B-but bigger dies!
J-just wait for Volta you AMDrone!

except the 1070 is pretty power efficient unlike Vega 56.

>>61733097
By power efficient you mean doesn't have a hardware scheduler.

>>61733064
This is a SSD

>>61733119
why does AMD need a hardware scheduler?

>>61733097
Vega 56 uses 60W more power than a 1070.
If it's also 20% faster that's pretty good power efficiency.

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>>61733152
It's SSG.

>>61733247
SSG is a SSD you fucking autistic. It's not volatile

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>>61731669
Maybe if you guys try really hard you might be able to fathom what factor would be in common between the sudden apparent increase in gaming performance of Vega 56 and the sudden apparent increase in Etherium mining rate?

Hint: Pic related

>>61733295
Gamers and miners are going to murder eachother trying to buy these things.

>>61733336
Assuming they fixed the retarded memory bandwidth underperformance, you bet your ass they are.

IF RX Vega launches with the same ~300 GB/s memory bandwidth that Vega FE currently has then a whole bunch of people at RTG need to get fucking fired.

>>61733377
Guess why RX Vega is delayed to 14th of August.

>>61733403
>Guess why RX Vega is delayed to 14th of August.
As long as the issue isn't in hardware it's nothing that can't be fixed by putting the RTG driver team on a fucking Bataan deathmarch until they fix it.

What's more disturbing is how few people have zeroed in on the issue, even on B3D and the like. Worst case scenario, you can always do a 4-stack refresh and made damn sure you solve that problem.

>>61733295
>SSG

What am I looking at the y axis?

I assume XX,XX GT/s is something related to memory performance, and that even though it is 5 times lower than the 1080/Titan it still holds up to their Random performance?

>>61733464
That chart basically shows that Vega FE shows a significant memory bandwidth regression vs. Fiji. Testing of Vega FE has shown it to have a memory bandwidth of about 300 GB/s, which is way lower than it should be, in light of the theoretical 484 GB/s bandwidth of the two stacks of HBM2.

Vega is memory bandwidth bottlenecked in both gaming and Etherium mining, so the recent rumours of sudden increases in Vega's performance in both areas is suggestive that the RTG driver team may finally have started to fix the underperformance in memory bandwidth.

>>61732723
>1070 level performance

Considering that it is cheaper than the 1070, I don't see the problem?

>>61733667
Will it be cheaper once the miners have instantly bought out all the stock an hour after launch?

>>61731669
>Rumor Vega faster than something
Reality: Vega will be unavailable for 6-8 months at the very least, miners will not let this one go.

>>61733713
we will see about that. If I have to steal a UPS truck I will fucking do it. STRAP UP!

>Wccf
Why are topics that mention this crap as source aren't delided by mods?

>>61733732
Hey man if you do that, I want one, just one.
No mining.

>>61733745
are mod is legit autistic redditor. I swear as long as something is X - general he will let it stay.

>>61733745
>wccf is bad but kyle is ok
you're dumb.

>>61733788
Both are fucking shit.

Is there any point to making Vega threads, nobody is going to buy one. With the mining performance leaked ahead of time Mining groups will snipe every pre-order and establish buy-orders from suppliers indefinitely. Even the Bundles will probably go, since miners are known to buy full fucking systems and just rip out the GPU.

Really, theres only 2 GPUs that are possible to buy right now, the 1050Ti or the 1080, which is really fucked up. But it's the situation we're in.

>>61734070
SHUT THE FUCK UP! I've been waiting for vega for nearly 2 freaking years and you nor the miners are going to ruin this for me. I"M GETTING ONE!

>>61734105
Face it bub, you ain't going to get one. It's inevitable. Every order will be flying to triad mining farms to launder money.

>>61734138
Then I will join yakuza and make a blood oath that I will kill for a vega. Nothing will stop me

>>61733022
NO C O M P E T I T I ON

>>61731837
>spoilers
>on /g/
and AMDumbfucks say Nvidiots are the /v/ermin

>>61733064
It's ok, neither does AMD

Faster than a stock GTX1070.

We all know that AMD GPUs run at its limits, while Nvidia GPUs have a huge OC headroom.

And after all, one must consider price and power efficiency.

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>graphics card can barely run games and starting to artifact
>not gonna fall for nvidias Jew techniques
>finally an AMD card that can compete comes out
>at the same time as a cryptocurrency craze
Fucking miners
3rd party company when?

>>61735674

Not for this generation

Nvidia has pushed it hard with 16nm process. The same story will be true for Volta.

>>61735674
>50-85 MHz overclock
Woooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwww.

>>61735821
You sure about that?
Aftermarket cards ship at a max of 1600mhz boost
Then GPU boost literally shoots them up to 1940+, and you can go further to 2.1ghz

>>61735884
even reference model is advertised with 1683mhz typical boost, but can actually boost beyond 1800mhz.
2100mhz is only 15% more than that.

>>61732723
1070 is a high end card. Most people don't even get that they get 1030/50/60

>>61736314
The 970 was far more popular than 960

>>61733119
>ayyymcucks
>has hardware scheduler
>yet still relies mostly in cpu
>while nvidia is more efficient on cpu usage

>>61736256
boots to 2100mhz from 1683
That's alot more that 50-85 Mhz anon

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>>61737106
Buy NVidia and watch as it slowly falls behind in DX12/Vulkan. Buy AMD and watch as it improves. That's where hardware scheduler really shines.

>>61737247
>watch as it improves
JUST WAIT

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>>61737247
>Nvidia doesn't release improved drivers
AMDtards are delusional.
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/geforce-treiber-test/2/#diagramm-dirt-rally

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>>61737264
That's right now, fuckface, not "just wait".
>>61737472
>fucking margin of error improvements

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>>61737247
>>61737506
>2% faster than year old Nvidia card
>n-no this isn't margin of error

>>61737506
>That's right now, fuckface, not "just wait".
2% faster on average in directx 12, and vulkan titles.
Should I upgrade my gtx 1060 to the speed demon of a gpu labeled the 580?

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>>61737247
>be amd
>doesn't know how to make drivers
>release broken barely functional housefires that theoretically have a lot of raw power with shit pajeet coding that will give you nothing but headaches
>learn how to support your product only years after its release
>call it a feature and give it a nice buzzword

>>61731669
>We Copy Content Forever Tech
I miss /w4v/-chan.

>>61735674
>Faster than a stock GTX1070.

Ah so it's just the standard AMD shill smoke and mirrors trick they did with the 900 series.

>t-t-the 390 is t-t-t-totally better than the 970 g-guyze!
>p-please ignore the fact that the 390 is just an overclocked 290 that uses almost twice the power and has no OC headroom at all
>p-please ignore the fact that the stock core clock of a 970 is 1000mhz and that it can easily go above 1500mhz!
>f-finewine!

>>61737247
waitfags i swear

>>61737551
>>61737629
That's 2% faster averaged across all of the games listed, you unbelievably stupid retards. The point was better DX12/Vulkan performance.

>>61737704
>>61737506

>>61737685
Except that Vega 56 is the cut-down version which will most certainly have some OC headroom compared to Vega 64.

>>61738121
>wishful thinking

Yeah, just like you guys were boasting about the overclocker's dream, amirite?

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>>61738127
Even the RX 580's max OC matches the 1060 6 GB's max OC. And that's supposed to be nothing more than a factory OCed RX 480.

Is there a reason why the lack of compute units would prevent the 56 from overclocking up to 64 speeds?

>>61734379
Yeah both of you guys are

>>61738220
Actually, the reduction in CUs should make it better at overclocking, since the architecture appears to be memory bandwidth bottlenecked in gaming and so maxing the memory overclock is likely to bring the best gains.

>>61738253
So, only conceivable reason would be binning? Is it even possible to be so bad that it wouldn't be able to clock up to 64 speeds at all? Or, is this going to be like Ryzen and Fiji situation where all the chips are pretty much clocked to the max already? Look at the specs, it just seems like too much of a difference to account to just binning.

>>61738200
>muh synthetic benchmarks

What's next, the ashes of singularity+doom+bf1 trio?

>>61736314
Who the fuck bought a 1030

>>61738427
Good for HTPC silent build.

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>>61738422
That has nothing to do with what I'm trying to show (peak OC). Also, the spread across both GPUs is pretty even. (580 on left 1060 on right)

>>61731669
it better fucking be if it's releasing a year after the 1070

>>61737551
The 1060 9Gbps came out at roughly the same time as the RX580.

At this point AMD is literally going to sell every single piece of silicon they produce for the foreseeable future. Are they doing anything or are they going at the same level of production as before?

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>>61731669
See: https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/product/vega/radeon-rx-vega-64/

Vega64
1440p 98fps

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>>61731837
Hey fello redditor!

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>mfw amdshills can't get mad now when I say 1070 performance because it's reality

>>61737247
>wait 2 years for fury successor
>pascal already over a year old
>Vega finally releases
>have to wait longer for actual performance
Stockholm Syndrome at its finest.

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>>61731669
I think the 56 will be the next 290.
Nvidia will forget the 1080 and the 1070 or even gimp it
Pic related

>>61739149
>waiting 3 years for improved performance while everyone else probably upgraded to an even faster model
poorfags really now

>>61733064
storage, not memory

>>61738223
>YOU guys
I have zero allegiances to any companies besides volvo

Those things are tanks

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>>61739149
>T-They are gonna gimp it
>J-Just you wait and see

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>>61739902
I will

>>61735746
Imagination is there, but they need prodding and poking to make them think it's worthwhile scaling up from mobile to desktop again.
ARM could do some interesting things too.

Applel is making their own GPUs but these won't be for sale and Quallcomm can't sell Adreno outside mobile.

>>61738099
the guy posts a link only for one game

shills consider this one single game as an average for all the games

never change .g.

>>61731669
Who the fuck cares? Miners will buy them all anyways.

Wow I see Kikevidia shills are showing up in full strength here. Yeah keep supporting the company with the anti-consumer practices and the proprietary technologies with a history of appealing to normies who buy prebuilt you absolute /g/entlemen. Keep telling yourselves that GameWorks gimping your cards is FINE as long as you upgrade every other year.
Christ most you people don't even get paid for this shit.

The question is will the cards be loud as fuck?

GTX 1070 @ 1440P gets a little higher average perhaps. But not by much. It peaks up into the mid 80's and dips to the high 60's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL6_26aGtT8

Feel bad for all you AMD users that were playing PoE 3.0 fall of oriath today.

>>61741466
>Buy the shit that doesn't work to make the shit that works cheaper.

>>61738422
The reason people show synthetic benchmarks is because many game developers are inclined to either favor one brand or just have shit optimization on one brand. Synthetics supposedly create a level playing field.

Friendly reminder to ignore the tripnigger.

DX11 is such an old game engine it requires little optimization. Devs are very familiar with it. They were practically spoonfed it coming out of college. It's the reason you see very little performance increases in updated drivers. It's just a very solid platform to develop under. Heck the tools they use pretty much do the hard work for them. Nvidias GPU architecture is also old as fuck and just relies on die shrinks mostly. They rarely innovate to make games more realistic.

Oh! And it is also why Nvidia usually gets better performance with DX11 than DX12.

Meanwhile AMD innovates with new features. They pushed DX12/Vulkan so developers can do more with it. Create more interesting and realistic games. Allow developers to get closer to the metal etc. DX11 has had many years yo get to where it is now. DX12/Vulkan are only a couple of years old and only really have had work done on them in games in the last year. Give it a couple more years and you will see where this is heading.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand and just want 'muh fps' now grab an Nvidia GPU and play current and older games with DX11.

>>61741571
You feel bad for me getting 144fps? Daww thank you bb :3

>>61739372
>everyone else probably upgraded to an even faster model
You don't need to upgrade every year if your card's performance doesn't get worse with every driver update.

>>61742179
>implying anyone who typically buys 780 level or 390 level cards would stay using them for a year or two

>>61742179
I sometimes upgrade when I don't necessarily need it. I went from a Gtx 960-> Rx 480 even though I mostly only play WoW, Overwatch, and a few other games that aren't very demanding. The only demanding one I play is Witcher 3, but that's a game that looks fine at 45 FPS. I'm considering getting a Vega56 if it generates less heat than a blast furnace (looking at you, reference 290x)

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>>61741842
I'm a yearly upgrader, because I usually can dump off a 12 month old gpu for a large chunk of it's retail cost with some Craigslist haggling. When AMD performs better on day 1, then they can have my money.

>>61742498
>performs better at day one
but anon you won't be able to taste fine wine if they do that

>>61738934
Its fine, I'll keep on waiting with my Fury X for a card to be worthwhile to upgrade it...
Even Navi/Volta isn't assured a chance in my PC.

>>61741842
>DX11 is such an old game engine
the power of a weekend! behold!

>>61742644
I bought a Fury for 200€ when the RX480s came out, and it powers my 144Hz 1440p Freesync monitor.

I need to reduce graphics setting quite a bit in newer games to get even close to 100 Hz in 1440p, so I'd like to upgrade.

If reviews for the watercooled RX Vega aren't utter shit and its power consumption is around 220 W - 250 W while gaming, I'll buy it. If its weaker or runs hotter I'll probably get a 1080 instead.

>>61742423
I have a 7970 and plan on getting vega and hoping it'll last about 4 years

>>61742423
Im.. still on 780.

>>61738934
i'm not gonna change the GPU for another 5years. having a card focused on DX12/Vulkan rather than DX11 is pretty much what i want. DX11 games gonna run gud and DX12 gonna run better, i'm fine with this

>>61734070
Been trying to find an okay priced 1070 but every video card is inflated out the ass

>>61741571
>>61741588
Kill yourself, tripfag.

>>61733336
Sweet. Thus the volume of buyers will decrease.

>>61733745
For the lolz.

>>61742423
This, only plebs try and "futureproof" by using the same card for 5 years and gradually lowering settings more and more until you're forced to buy something new. The used GPU market is great (at least before the current mining boom anyway) I've found it's much more fun to just buy expensive hardware, sell it when something better comes out the next year and use the money to upgrade. That way you're never stuck with something so obsolete it becomes difficult to sell. The only parts that don't depreciate are CPU's usually since Intel's been so slow, even a 2600K can still fetch a decent price.

>>61750431
used computerparts market is horrible. they sell used ancient technology for prices you could get simiilar performance with new low end parts with 2 years of warranty. fucking normies think their shit is worth gold if they buyed a GPU for $500 7 years ago

>>61750431
oh i've misread, you're part of the cancer

>>61736383

The 970 was 300$

>>61750541
There are always retards who try to pass off a 480 or 580 for way too much money. Generally if you stay active you can find good deals though.1080's were $400 USD before the mining boom, when Ryzen came out you could find 7600K/7700K's for dirt cheap as well. Staying just behind the bleeding edge of hardware is where it's at, don't buy new buy stuff a half a year after it comes out and look for the inevitable first price drop. You can easily fuel a permanent upgrade cycle by staying active on Craigslist and Ebay.

>>61750679
Oh forgot to mention the only consistently retarded sellers are Mac owners, good luck finding anything "Pro" even 5 years old at an affordable price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC5Dy_b-kE8
Hey, this is getting REALLY insteresting.

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>>61750821
Gee, ya think?

>>61738099
>That's 2% faster averaged across all of the games listed, you unbelievably stupid retards. The point was better DX12/Vulkan performance.
How does it perform in dx11 vs dx12 in the same games (I've seen battlefield benches that showed that it ran better for all systems with dx11), and why the fuck is ashes of the singularity even listed there?

>>61750821
>>61751170
The final benchmarks can't come soon enough.

Miners will buy them all up.

Who gives a fuck.

>>61751192
8 days, anon.
8 days.

>>61735674
>self overclocking cards under load
>still have headroom
Sure, they totally aren't already running at 1800-1900mhz out of the box

>Another intresting side effect of the LN2 is that VEGA's power draw fell of a cliff. Like 100W less than air cooled on +50% power limit. So the GPU core evidently is very happy with LN2 and could probably go well in excess of 2GHz with more voltage(I did all my testing at stock which is 1.2V).

very interesting. anyone has ideas for this behavior?

>>61753046
It's inefficient unless operating at subzero temps.

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>>61750821
So, anyone want to even begin to try explaining how you add primitive discard to Vega--which Fiji did not do at all--and end up with way LESS effective texture bandwidth than Fiji and slower fillrates clock-for-clock than Fiji?

>>61753329
>So, anyone want to even begin to try explaining how you add primitive discard to Vega
the drivers are not working as it should.

>>61753329
Drivers weren't working, or something's broken hardware-wise. Willing to bet it'd the former, or they wouldn't bother releasing anything at all. I am really interested in the re-test in 8 days.