AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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/r/amd is upset

>>61650256
Nvidia measures their power consumption in rather stupid ways. A 1080 can spike up to 300+ watts.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-10.html

>>61650189
stop stop stop whoa what is in the $699 pack? It's kinda confusing

>>61650312
I guess all 3 packs come with the same shit seen on the right.

>>61650306
Thats not the point amdrone.

>>61650340
what are the specific models of the monitor/board/processor tho?

>>61650312
Probably the card, games and discount on a freesync monitor.

>>61650356
Kill yourself.

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>>61650380

>>61650368
Ask your uncle at nintendo.

>295W HOUSEFIRES
>345W HOUSEFIRES

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>61650306
>Nvidia measures their power consumption in rather stupid ways
>card is 180W TDP (which actually refers to the cooling capacity required, not to power consumption directly)
>measured average is 173W
No, it looks like Nvidia measures just fine.

>>61650306
Do you even know what TDP is you idiot

>>61650496
>295W TDP with a blower
I can't see any situation in which reference cards aren't hairdryer-tier like the reference 290Xs in the olden days.

I can't wait to get an unreleased game with my vega card

>>61650496
>what is vapor chambered heatsinks
>what is water cooling
It will be a jet engine noise level for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

>Vega buyers

>>61650189
>mfw I already have ryzen and freesync monitor.
Can I just get the goddamn fucking limited edition without a shit pack?

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why do people care about power consumption on gpus anymore. Its literally a couple dollars difference of the course of years

>>61650727
>699 for the limited edition
You must be a fucking moron

>Year late 1080 performance at 180% the power consumption

This is what you get for letting a poo run your GPU business. Lisa Su he is not.

>>61650755
Higher power consumption = hotter = less room for overclocking due to thermal limits.

>>61650765
Primarily cause of the pack.
You can get the normal blower or limited for same price with pack. Thats why I'm asking seems limited ones come with packs only which is gay as fuck.

>>61650755
It affects cooling and therefore noise and overclockability.

>mfw bundled board is x370
It probably wouldnt

Yawn. It's 1080 performance, for pretty much the same price, with a higher TDP, and all NVidia has to do at this point is release something new and it'll blow AMD out of the water and they'll be scrambling to catch up yet again.

>>61650256

Permalink, please?

>>61650755
I have an overclocked aftermarket gtx 1070 and this card even with the oc consumes less power than even a rx 580 iirc. The fans are still quite audible (Not loud but you can hear them) and it makes my room hot after about an hour of gaming. This thing is supposed to consume like twice the power of my gtx 1070 and requires an expensive water cooler model for optimal performance. Imagine how hot the air cooled models will get and how fast the fans would have to spin.

>>61650755
Because I live in texas and central ac doesn't account for one room having a space heater and will be 5 degrees warmer

>>61650755

>AMD shills that can't go 5 minutes without screaming HOUSEFIRE about something and pointing out Intel TDP suddenly don't care about power consumption

What a shock

>>61650827
they still will be sold out. why? because the miners will want to get them or do you really think nvidia will just throw mining equipment on the market that will be cheaper then these prices.

>>61650755
>7700k is a HOUSEFIRE
>Why do people care about power consumption on GPUs
Ayyyyyymd

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>>61650875
I have a 1600/1070 rig but for weeks ive seen both sides switch povs all thr time suddenly tdp doesnt matter to intel shills
now its amd shills turn to say tdp doesnt matter
nvidea shills get to sit in the sidelines and laugh

>>61650902
These new cards haven't been optimized for mining yet, and both AMD and NVidia are releasing cards specifically made for mining. Retards will buy it up even if it's as expensive as a 1080.

So I know people have speculated about this and it may be too early but any good reason on why Vega failed to deliver despite having all those new features like tile based rasterization, the new geometry pipeline, and etc? It can't just be drivers now. AMD dropped the ball on hardware engineering as well.

The main thing I don't understand is the die size. How come it's so big? AMD is going to have to do a lot of work for Navi.

>>61650937
Poo in the loo fucked it up

>>61650937
amd gpu sector needs to scrap everything and start completely fresh like they did with ryzen
also fire the curry nigger

>>61650903
>CPUs are GPUs
Try harder.

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>>61650189
>packs
WTF, I already own a x370 mb, and a ryzen r7 1600x possessor and a freesync monitor, waiting for this turd to drop. Fuck AMD

>>61650979
Yeah GPUs actually have higher TDP than CPUs pajeet.

>>61650982
Maybe you can sell the coupons? Dunno.

WHERE IS THE VEGA STREAM??!!!

Fire Raja

>>61650993
Kill yourself, retard.

>>61650952
>>61650966

Obviously Raja is responsible for how Vega performs but what I don't understand is how all the improvements Vega shows on paper make sense and closes the gap with Pascal in regards to some features. But the fact that it takes so much die space...

I thought GCN was supposed to scale well with stuff like this. Do they need to throw GCN out the window?

>>61651000
There is none.

>>61651000
No stream. We paper launch

>>61651015
AMD fanboys on suicide watch

>AMD currently has the best bang for buck and perf/watt CPUs available while Intel is losing on both
>Nvidia currently has the most efficient and most powerful GPUs but only plays nice with Intel CPUs

What the fuck is one supposed to do?

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GTX 1080
>$599
>8.2 FP32

RX VEGA 64 RE
>$499
>12.6 FP32

I don't get it, AMD made something better for a lower price.

>>61651024
>Do they need to throw GCN out the window?

Yes. Just like Ryzen, trash it all and start fresh

>>61651059
>plays nice with intel cpus
wut?

>>61651062
The 1080 isn't 599 anymore.

>>61651059

Buy a Ryzen 7 1700 and GTX 1080Ti and be the best you can be.

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>>61651076
0/10 bait

>>61651059
>but only plays nice with Intel CPUs

This is bullshit. This only happened with ONE game, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and that turned out to be a game engine problem that the devs admitted to. They explained what was wrong and already patched the game to fix it weeks ago.

>>61651108
I think he meant how amd scraped bulldozer and made ryzen from scratch. not referring to ryzen as trash since it clearly isnt

>>61651108

Learn to context, pajeet.

>>61651098
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080/

Most want ~$600.

So the $399 RX VEGA 56 which is able to achieve 10.5 TFLOPs of raw compute power is more powerful than the $600ish GTX 1080 which has 9 TFLOPs of raw compute power? With a much higher memory bandwidth too?

Is this for real?

>>61651135
the 1080 is pointless
either get a 1070 or go balls out for a 1080ti

>>61651129
>>61651130
ohhh...

>>61651139

>Muh FLOPs
>Muh FP32
>Consumer card marketed for gaming

Buy a proper card

>>61651135
Fucking miners are causing this price increase. There were newegg 1080s going for 499 back in March. I know a miner who fucking bought 2 of them

>>61651135
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01IR6LMLO?SubscriptionId=AKIAJGZZEZH27SCMC24Q&tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=386001&creativeASIN=B01IR6LMLO

509.99 New

>>61651161

Then he's an idiot because 1080s start to really push that cost vs mining efficiency ratio, he's never going to make that back when including power costs.

>>61651062
GTX 1080
>$449
>100% performance
>180 watt TDP

RX Vega 64
>$499
>95% performance
>280 watt TDP

>>61651139
>amd vs Nvidia tflops
>gaming

Bait

>>61651148
Don't sperg at me, retard. I'm asking a simple question. That question is whether AMD is providing more bang for buck at the higher levels than Nvidia is right now.

>>61651176
>miners
>clever

Pick one

>>61651198
No. Not after you factor in the house fire insurance.

>>61650189
I honestly can't wait for even more benchmarks to come out and go
>gaming
When they are BTFO, happens every time

>>61651193
>day 1 benchmarks with intel processors
0/10

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Who /w4n/™ here

>>61651222
REEEEEE /v/idiots go back

>>61650306
And that RX Vega can spike to 500+W. Who the fuck cares about spikes when the only thing that counts for EVERYTHING is average.

Power supplies, what counts? Average. The 500W it has on the tin is an average, it can momentarily put out over 1000W easily as long as the sustained average falls within 500W.
The cooler on the card, what does it care about? The average. There can be high spikes, it doesn't matter because the cooler is dealing with the average amount of wattage.
The card VRM, what does it care about? The average. Because the heat it produces and has to dissipate depends on the average.

Literally everything in the power chain only cares about averages. LITERALLY EVERYTHING.
When will you tech illiterate muppets stop using the word "spike" when referring to anything in the power chain? It doesn't matter. It never did matter and it never will matter until the "spike" is long enough to become the average over a time period that is counted in something other than single digit milliseconds.

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>>61650189
Stop it! AMD rules a-and you all know it!! Stop lying. Performance does not matter price does!

Soooo Wait For Vega™ has essentially become "wait for 1080 performance at pretty much the same price for worse TDP next year" now? Top kek AYYYMD aliens.

>>61651260
Exactly what I'm talking about
When everyone was waiting for RX vega for gaming

Bullet dodged.

Who Ryzen+Nvidia here?

>>61651256
we've been /w4n/ ever since we found out Vega is DOA but some autist kept forcing the wait for vega threads

>>61651307
dumbfuck

>>61651198
No, not at all

>>61651302

No we weren't, we never cared. We were only saying ">Non gaming drivers" after Frontier benchmarks for fun!

>>61651307
1700x 1080ti reporting

What a fucking disaster, nobody listen despite us telling AMDumbfucks for months

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>>61650189
That's it, Nvidia is finished.

>>61650306
>Nvidia measures it's powers in stupid ways
>How
>Changes subject about wattage spikes that hardly matter.

Lol AMD Schills.

>>61651323
Lol

so when are the bench coming ?
when will the NDA be lifted ?

>>61651354
Just wait

>>61651307
1600/1070 here
now if i only had vidya to play on it

>>61651307
1600+ 1080
waiting for a better bargain honestly 500$ for my 1080 doesn't really feel like it was really worth it over my rx 480

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>>61650755
(You)

>>61651307
Have a 1070. I'll upgrade to ryzen once my Haswell i5 prevents me from having a good gaming experience which seems a long time away based on my current gaming experience.

Where is the stream?

>>61650827
If I am them I would release a mobile GPU and another Graphics card which seems like they are going to do.

>>61651397

Not public, for obvious reasons now.

>>61651411
Wait seriously? This is going to be a paper launch?

>>61651384
What fps you get in games? Was thinking on jumping ship to Ryzen from Housefire 7700k.

Oh wow 1080-tier with more power consumption. Lmaoing at AyyMD

>>61651256
Fuck that I just want a budget holdover card until I can buy a decent 34" 1440p ultrawide.

Just give me a fucking $200 GPU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

volta is going to fucking destroy AMD

Is the top one really liquid cooled, HBM2, larger die, greater power draw, and still can't beat a 1080ti?

>>61651473
this is what happens when you let poos engineer your GPU

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LMAO

>>61651480
Kek.
>>61651473
Yes.

>>61651480

ayylmao

>>61651421
in 1080p way more than necessary in DOOM cs go etc
in 1440 i get around 144 in doom and f1 2016
in 4K i'm just under 60 in doom and f1 2016 and forza horizon 3
i don't really play other games so i can't really judge
but i would advise you to keep your cpu until something really better comes along
because the delta perf between these cpu doesn't really justify buying over another

VEGA NEWS
$600 for water cooled I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51SsMsUXTt8&feature=youtu.be&a

>>61651473

Yep, welcome to Radeon Technologies Group as lead by Raja Koduri.

NEVER let a poo be in charge of top level engineering or you're guaranteed shit like this

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>>61650306
OY VEYYY

DELETE THIS NOW GOYIM

THE GOYIM MUST NOT KNOW

SHUT IT DOWN

>>61651453
AMD is going to have a deal where you get a $200 rebate if you buy a free-sync monitor with Vega, pretty sure it's the ultra wide they were showing off in the demos.
see:
>>61651497
for more info

Rajesh is clueless

event is starting right now, any news or live blogs?

>>61651515

>Rebate

Oh is it still 1995?

>>61651497
>600 dollar for this piece of shit
FFS sake Raja

https://youtu.be/uxVzDQtHzqo

Pajeet is leading this video

>>61651515
This would be the perfect time for Nvidia to embrace Freesync and completely end RTG.

>>61651532
A 1080ti hybrid is $800 anon

>>61651536

Unfortunately they won't

>Then there’s the power consumption numbers which are a concern to say the very least. It is more than obvious it was a struggle for AMD to get to this point since Vega 64 can consume a whopping 345W of power. For those of you keeping track at home, that’s 100W more than a GP102-based GTX 1080 Ti coupled with framerate performance that should trend just above a GTX 1080. Even the vanilla RX Vega 64 gobbles down nearly 300W compared to a GTX 1080’s frugal 180W.

ITS FUCKING OVER

>>61651536
>Nvidia to embrace Freesync
They make more money with G-sync because people are stupid enough to buy into it

>>61651541
>Hybrid
The air 1080ti will trash the a watercooled Vega

>>61651555
>its over
>$400 cheaper if youre buying monitor + video card

the only time it will be over is if nvidia supports freesync

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>>61651555
TDP is sub 300W for non water cooled cards

>>61651582
RX Vega should be just above a 1080 when overclocked, so it slots in perfectly in pricing, and it comes water cooled, so massive bonus for me at least.

>>61651607
it works because 500$ 1080 are rare

>>61651605

>Memesync

Not even 0.1% of the market uses those monitors, so you can stop clinging to irrelevant features to pretend this trash fire of a GPU is worth buying.

>>61651605
The G-sync tax isn't 400 dollar Pajeet.

>>61651607
>so it slots in perfectly in pricing

Then 1 month alter your power bill fills that gap right in, if your house is still there by that time.,

>>61651622
No they are not
>>61651172

>>61651515
There aren't any good 144hz 34" 1440p ultrawides in existence.
I don't know why the industry is dragging their feet with them, but they are.
So why the fuck would I buy one (samsung only too!) when it'll be a shitty ultrawide combined with a shitty GPU?

No. I want a budget GPU that'll outperform my gtx660 until quality monitors actually start getting made

and fuck waiting for navi, if I wait for anything, it's for nvidia's next GPU lineup because AMD can't help but shit the bed unless they accidentally strike gold like they did with ryzen

>>61651631
no one is going to spend $400 extra for proprietary gsync monitors from nvidia unless they like throwing away money. people in the market, such as myself, for a new monitor plus new video card will go with amd. i will spend $800 for the same experience youre getting for $1300

amd not having a $700 gtx 1080 ti competitor matters literally zero

>>61651659
>I don't know why the industry is dragging their feet with them, but they are.

The industry dragged its feet on monitors for a fucking long time through the 2000s. Especially once 1080p took over. Seriously look at monitor releases between 2007 and around 2014. It's like a barren wasteland of negative progress.

>>61651512
You didn't even read the page lmao

>>61651652
Vega can undervolt just like Fury to potentially get nano levels of efficiency. Vega nano was already confirmed

>>61651634
the vega "packs" save you $100 more or less, the gsync tax is also normally $300

>>61650755
Have u ever experience throttling ?
not everyone live in cold weather like you.

>>61651666
The difference between G-sync and non G-sync equivalent is 150 to 100 dollars. I hate shills like you saying it is 400 extra. It is only 400 extra at the 4k monitor range but if you can afford a 4k monitor to game on, you would be on the 1080ti anyway.

>>61651686
wrong. the difference is normally $300, and the RX Vega "pack" gives you a rebate worth $200 so it ends up being $400 difference after the cost of the "pack"

>>61651657
depends on where you live i guess

>>61651676
Not everyone needs a new monitor or mobo+CPU.

>>61651535
what a load of crap

Woah amd fucked up again

https://youtu.be/S1CdPxXEzoo

Hopefully this ages just as well as the 290 but i doubt it

>>61651708
i never once brought up mobo +cpu. i am strictly speaking about monitor and the $200 rebate for a freesync monitor

>>61651700
PG248Q is currently 399 on newegg. The Freesync equivalent is MG248Q which is currently 299. So wrong. The difference isn't normally 300.

fug i switched to ryzen too soon one of the packs would have been pretty nice i would have bought a 1700 instead of my 1600 and gotten 2 free game

>>61651728
The 200 rebate comes from the radeon pack which includes 2 AAA game, a mobo and Ryzen.

>Ryzen is a huge success and a brilliant design that saves loads of dosh
>will BTFO intel for hte next 4 years to come

>HBM is a masterpiece designed by Joe Macri and will make APUs a gaming powerhouse in a few years as Samsung starts producing dirt cheap budget HBM

>GPUs are stinky poos that a bunch of chinks in beijing shit out on the side of their street
>only surviving because of retarded crpyotmimers but not for long because Vega's shit at mining

>>61651743
hum that's only a 100 $ rebate on the mobo and rysen 7 X cpu
they're not included

>>61651743
no, the pack includes rebates for mobo, cpu, and monitor. its the same as the regular video card but costs $100 and includes games + rebates

>lts a platform that is great now that will be even greater in the future
https://youtu.be/uxVzDQtHzqo?t=448
LITERALLY JUST WAIT

>>61651760
>>61651764
Have they mentioned which monitor it is?
I hate ultrawide monitors and would rather prefer a nice 1440p 27 inch monitor. Is it on ANY Freesync monitor?

>>61651789
i am wondering myself, if its not a great monitor i really want then it wont be worth it for me. im sure we will know soon.

>>61651789
>>61651808
PLUS, GET $200 OFF IF YOU BUY A SAMSUNG 34″ ULTRA WQHD CURVED MONITOR WITH QUANTUM DOT AND RADEON™ FREESYNC TECHNOLOGY (C34F791).*

it's on their website
no link or anything though

>>61651828
>Ultra wide
Okay
>Curved
Nope
This monitor is fucking dumpster fire.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djGXLmbXaNGZ

>all this cringe

>>61651828
pretty good monitor but not what i want exactly. kinda silly that they wouldnt do this for a freesync 2 monitor. thats what im waiting for.

Is there going to be a budget Vega card? The $200 price point is comfy.

unless their tile based rasterization implementation is utterly amazing otherwise then this entire architecture is completely dead on arrival, even by RTG standards

>The monitor is 950 dollars so with the rebate it will be 750 dollars. Except it is already sitting at 750 on Amazon without the bundle.
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-34-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor-C34F791/dp/B01M1D7JVO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501469812&sr=8-1&keywords=CF791

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>61651871
No because it would be waste to produce one

>>61651871
No. Cheapest is 400 dollars.

>>61651877
Do you even know what a rebate is, chucklefuck?

>>61651752
vega's good at mining monero so it's still going to get bought up like crazy

>>61651877
How can one company be this fucking incompetent?

>>61650189
just purchased a 1080

>>61651420
>Wait seriously? This is going to be a paper launch
>Paper launch
I don't think that means what you think it means.

>>61651905
What is your monitor?

>>61651828
Why is it so hard to get flatscreen ultrawides, holy fuck

this curved meme is so fucking gay

>>61651899
You get a rebate if you buy from them at 950 dollars. Or is there another way that rebate works that only you know of?

>>61651910
Dell U3415W

>>61651877
so glad this curved meme never took off

fuck its retarded to come from convex crt's to this shit is infuriating

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this night is terrible for me. feeling lonely and suicidal

>>61651910

Oh look, the /g/ police

I weep for AMD. They paid people to come up with Vega 64.

It just screams market research gaming buzzword. The type of shit we haven't seen since blast processing.

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>>61651925

Wrong thread, frog.

>>61651915
are you a retard?

>>61650189
What's the difference between the two different XT models that makes one cost $100 more?

>>61651921
Especially if you have multiple monitors. You have to center the curved one then that makes your viewing angles for your other monitor shit.

>>61650982
Sooooooo buy the non-deal item for several hundred cheaper?

>>61651933
>They paid people to come up with Vega 64.

I don't think poos count as people

>>61651925
>> r/amd

>>61651937
You don't get the rebate if you buy the monitor off Amazon moron.

>>61651938

XTX has a water cooler.

Need something to keep that 345 watts from melting your PC

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>XL
>XT
>XLTLXLT
>XLTLGLTLX

>>61651918
You get a pass even though Vega is very likely a better value.

>>61651938
400 dollar is 56 CU
500 dollar is 64 CU
600 dollar is 64 CU + water cooling

Speaking of Fiji, there’s been some question over whether the already shipping Vega FE cards had AMD’s Draw Steam Binning Rasterizer enabled, which is one of the Vega architecture’s new features. The short answer is that no, the DSBR is not enabled in Vega FE’s current drivers. Whereas we have been told to expect it with the RX Vega launch. AMD is being careful not to make too many promises here – the performance and power impact of the DSBR vary wildly with the software used – but it means that the RX Vega will have a bit more going on than the Vega FE at launch.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-amd-announecs-499-rx-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/3

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>>61651961
actually I am one of the detractors. I hoped it wouldn't really be 1070 levels

>>61651963
says who? amd isnt selling you a product, resellers sell the product. are you retarded? theres literally no reason to assume that unless they list a specific retailer. where is your proof of a specific retailer?

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BUT I DON'T WANT TO BUY NVIDIA

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WHY ARE THEY SHILLING ULTRAWIDE MONITORS

IT OFFERS NO FUCKING ADVANTAGES UNLESS YOU'RE VIDEO EDITING. IT IS SUCH A TERRIBLE MONITOR, DO NOT FALL FOR THE MEME LIKE I DID.

Anyone who owns one will most likely tell you it's a good monitor but they're lying. You will get neck pain, you will notice your mouse isn't accurate, you will wish you had two or three regular monitors instead. Go to the store and try it. It's not fucking worth it, trust me. It only offers you an advantage if it's video editing. There's also that tiny advantage you get if your video game lets you see it from a broader view but the cons (mouse inaccuracy, neck pain etc) outweighs it by the millions.

>>61651992
They are shilling everything and anything to get them into spotlight.
Shilling quite a few new triple shit games as well.

>>61651992
Stop hunching over, they're fine you baby.

Looks like I may go with the VEGA 56 for 1440P gaming. I can't see the point of VEGA 64. Even at 4K. Only a few people will be building a new system to take advantage of those packs. I don't plan on upgrading my 4770K setup for some time. At least not with the current DDR4 memory prices.

>>61651967
>>61651976
I'm talking about the 499 and 599 ones. I know the 399 is cut down and the 699 is water cooled.

>>61651933

That's not the worse part. The worse part is that the high end is essentially going to keep on being Nvidia's territory and the fact that Nvidia charged $600 for a GTX 1080 for essentially about a year until this March with the 1080 Ti and they only dropped the prices in anticipation for Vega and it being slightly worse than it means they can keep marking up the prices on high end card.

They probably won't even drop prices for Vega. God, the GPU market is going to be miserable for a while longer...

>>61650755
A GTX 1080 running 6 hours a day with its TDP of 180 watts will cost ~$47 a YEAR (12 cents/kWh)

The highest end Vega 64, with a TDP of 345 watts, would cost ~$90 a year being used 6 hours a day at the same electric cost.
Throw in the shittiness of dumping more heat into your rig, and the fact that it's matching a 1 year old card from a company that is more catered to (optimized for in game dev), and bam. You are a fucking idiot if you buy this.

>>61652013
How's multitasking in full screen or windowed mode? Thought so, it's shit. But go ahead, call it "fine". Oh I can't for 4k monitors to wipe the floor with 1440p in 2018.

>>61651985
100% there will be specific retailers, there is no way you are getting a 34 inch ultra wided curved monitor for 500 dollars.

>>61652021
Vega 56 looks like the sanest option DESU.

>>61651971
I'm getting the xXRXXx xXVEGAXx XLX TXLTGLXXTXLX XXTXL

>>61651912
>>61651848
Well if it's not curved and ultrawide you can really use it as only one screen
The viewing angle on each side will be shit unless you stand far away but that kinda suck

>>61652052
I am fine with ultrawide, curved is a huge shitty meme that needs to die in a fucking house fire.

>>61652052
Can't*

>>61652021
Only if you stick your own cooler or wait for AIB's to do the cooling.

V56 reference running below 1400MHz is not attractive.

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>>61651868
AHAHAHAHAHAHA oh my god Radeon is fucked

>>61652021
looks like im sticking with 1080p for a while so ill get the 64 and oc it

all the games i currently play are gpu bound anyway

>>61652072
why is it fucked? same price as 1080 for similar performance but monitors dont have a $300 nvidia tax.

>>61652063
But why

>>61652078
>1080p
>Get 64
What? Who spends 500 dollar to game on 1080p?

>>61652084
Because everyone has to be unrelentingly negative about Vega or the world will end.

>>61651480
Stop it! It's NOT FAIR!

>>61652084
Monitors don't have a 300 nvidia tax you moron. Read >>61651730 or do your own research instead of sprouting what your PR officer told you to shill Pajeet.

>>61652078
>overclocking a 300+ watt tdp card
ahahaha

>>61652084
less than 1% of the market uses gysnc/freesync

>>61652068
They tend to downclock the cut parts to create a more even performance gap between products, I can almost assure you that Vega56 will hit 1400/1600 like Vega64

>>61652094
Only some tens of thousands of people game above 1440p in the first place, the market for cards >$350 has and will always be very small

>>61652084
>this level of damage control
Literally 10% better than the 1080 a year and a half later with 180% extra power consumption
>b-but the Jew tax
I can literally taste your sweat from here

>>61651984
Imagine Volta X60 beat vega 64.

>>61652111
Sure but people who buy expensive cards to game at 1080p are fucking morons.

Have the prices of gpus come down at all yet?

>>61652113
>Literally 10% better than the 1080 a year and a half later with 180% extra power consumption
yea but i can just buy 2 vegas + monitor for the price of one nvidia + monitor

>>61652096
Franlky it's more the discount around it that make it a good deal otherwise it's just a little bit more power than a 1070 for the same price
And same with the 64 and 1080
But their slides doesn't even show them doing better than a 1080 so meh

>>61651943
AMD just fucked anyone that already owns this suff, 100$ I could have gotten a better board and better processor, or allocated it to the higher AMD card. Same for the monitor

>>61652111
>They tend to downclock the cut parts to create a more even performance gap between products, I can almost assure you that Vega56 will hit 1400/1600 like Vega64
No it won't, for starts the V56 only has 500 shaders missing, which is nothing if you look at GCN or Fury.

Secondly, V56 is only 210W reference, even with the cut shaders it won't even begin to stay around 1400MHz

>>61652126
depends what game your playing

some people want 144hz

>>61652128
No.

>>61652111
>I can almost assure you that Vega56 will hit 1400/1600 like Vega64

I'd say it will reach even higher due to less cores = less heat.

>>61652113
>180% extra power consumption
It would be 500w if that were true. It's more like 60% higher.
>pretending goysync tax doesn't exist
Good goy.

How does the Vega 56 performs agains the 1070? $399 is something I can afford.

>>61652128
a little bit. supply is stabilizing

>>61652135
144hz at 1080p is bottlenecked by the CPU.

>>61652119
Thanks to miners I had to buy a 1050Ti SSC to replace my 7850 instead of the 470 I had wanted for some time.

If the volta xx60 part is still ~$250 like the 1060 it's going to be my next choice. Unless Navi is a radical successful departure from GCN, AMD graphics cards are dead to me.

>>61652137
okay, thanks

>>61652145
>How does the Vega 56 performs agains the 1070? $399 is something I can afford.

If you want a house fire with 80% more energy consumption go for it.

>>61652145
Dunno, per clock should be some 10% slower than vega 64.
And will 200% throttle on the Polaris-style cooler, I'd wait for aftermarket.

>>61652135
144hz is pretty nice indeed but a rx480 is enough for the kind of game you play at 144 like cs or some racing games

>>61652145
No idea wait for the benchmarks. Probably around the 1070 perf.

>>61652130
>Le 800 dollar jew tax
At most it's around 100-150 and half fun buying another power supply to handle that 700+ watts of GPU power consumption

Nvidia shills not even acknowledging you get twice the ram for the same price, or higher TFLOPs (which does matter, especially in a mining driven market.)

r/AMD is imploding, top kek

>>61652180

hbm is absolute shit for mining

>>61652180
>1080 8gb
>vega 8gb
>1080 9tf
>vega 10tf
Woah

Stop trying to spin your product raja

>>61652165
It's 40%.

>>61651059
>falling for the best bang for buck meme

Stop being poor and find a real job.

>>61651393
the biggest lie of the entire presentation

unbelievable

I don't give a shit as long as the Vega 56 performs like the 1070 or slightly better, Nvidia will always own the high end market, AMD should just focus on the mid range section until their GPU department gets their shit together like the CPU department did

>>61652156
That wasn't much of an upgrade

Navi is scalable GPUs, much like Ryzen, so it should destroy nvidia just as Ryzen is destroying intel.

>>61652208
>280 watts and 380 watts is 40%
You AMDumbfucks are true morons

>>61652222
There's no lie there, it clocks over 1700MHz compared to Fiji's 1100ish max, and IPC is increased in pro workloads.

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>>61652175
>muh $100

stop lying, these two are older gaming monitors are the difference is $200. otherwise theyre identical. thats $200 for gimpsync technology.

newer monitors tend to be $300 difference

>>61652233
Vega 56 is 210W

>>61652243
WHO GIVES A FUCKING FUCK ABOUT NICHE WORKSTATIONS I WANT GAMING FPS THEY HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY FUCKING THAT UP FOR FUCKING YEARS

>>61652266
Sure it is

>>61652230
this
they'll survive if the price/perf is higher than a 1070

>>61652271
Baaaw

>>61652243
what people are dying for is a competitive GPU for gaming. Higher IPC and higher clock give the illusion that this will translate to moar FPS. but SOMEhow they managed to fuck that up. A gpu that competes with the Q5000 can't do shit to compete with the 1080ti in gaming. It's really frustrating

>>61652248
It can be lesser. The pg278q alternative the xf270hu is only 100 more expensive than it's free sync counterpart.

>>61652271
They've been breaking even for years

>>61652248
Those are completely different monitors and completely different product divisions

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volta when

>>61652248
One on the right is 165hz.

>>61652300
fuck that im waiting for navi and volta 2 with multicore gpu's

>>61652300
2017 Q4 (unliked) to 2018 Q1(fact)

>>61652231
>wasn't much of an upgrade
Double the VRAM and almost twice the performance for $150

>Navi is scalable GPUs
The Voodoo 4 marked the death of 3dFX

>>61652300
WAIT FOR NAVI
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>Vega NCU will have better IPC and higher clocks
Only boosts to 1677 with AIO and 345W TDP

>HBM will bring much higher bandwith
Only 484GB/s, less than Fiji

What did Raja mean by this

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>>61652337
NOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOORRRREEE

>>61652338
literally shitting the bed, at least they made a gpu worse than fury ;_;

>>61650189
Vega FE confirmed to have tile rendering disabled!

Magical Drivers CONFIRMED!!!!!

Nvidia BTFO

>>61652338
>"only" boosts to 1677Mhz
Two years ago the 4096 ALU design could only reliably hit 1050Mhz
>"only 484GB/s
On half the bus width

I'm the guy saying if Navi is not a post-GCN success AMD is dead to me, btw

>>61652300
>Volta 2070 is literally a Titan XP
>at the same 1070 price
>Volta 2080 is a slightly improved 1080Ti

AMD BTFO

>>61652278
It's right there nigga
>>61651607
There's also a Vega Nano, which means undervolting heaven, a Fury could be just as efficient as a 980, much like the Vega 56 can very likely be just as efficient as a 1070
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-afterburner-undervolt-radeon-r9-fury,4425.html

>AMD recommends a 1kw psu

>>61652330
Anon do you see what Ryzen is doing to intel? AMD already has a functional infinity fabric that works in APUs from the look of things

>>61652371
Raja needs to be fired

all the fucking pajeets need to be fired

fire the goddamn poos, hire whites, and start from scratch with the lego pieces in the RTG arsenal

I fucking guarantee you that a white man would've done a better job with Vega than raja did.

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>people were already freaking out at 300 watt usage
>its 345 for highest end model
>meets 1080 performance for 90% higher power usage and the same fucking price as a 1080
>Nvidia Volta release in 8 months which is on track to show 30%+ improvement over Pascal

>>61652371
>Talking to AMD’s engineers, what especially surprised me is where the bulk of those transistors went; the single largest consumer of the additional 3.9B transistors was spent on designing the chip to clock much higher than Fiji. Vega 10 can reach 1.7GHz, whereas Fiji couldn’t do much more than 1.05GHz.

Not and HPC chip, all that transistors and it clocks less than GP102, performing about the same, while consuming significantly more power.

Why even use HBM2 if you're only going for 2048 bit two stacks?

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>>61652429

>>61652434
Last minute troubles, just get access to few HBM2 to put 4 per GPU.

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why the fuck am I watching this shit
nobody has gotten their hands on it to fuck around with yet

>>61650189
so what does this mean for someone looking at getting an RX580?

>>61652475
hurry up and get one. this shit release will probably increase demand even more. if miners were smart they would dump em now.

>>61651386
>youtube comments
>2年前
Kill yourself.

>>61652464
Pretty much. Need to see at least a verified synthetic benchmark or better yet, actual game play

>>61650937
>It can't just be drivers now.

Oh yes, yes it can.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-1730-radeonsi&num=1

Browse that entire article and get stocked. The free open source GNU/Linux MESA driver for current AMD cards is now much faster than the closed source AMDGPU driver for GNU/Linux and Windows.

The difference between 105 frames per second and 146 frames per second in CS GO at 4k, for example, is pretty significant. There is also a rather striking difference between 115 fps and 208 fps in Bioshock Infinite.

I'm not saying that AMD will make any improvements to their Windows-driver. I'm just saying that they can and that there's a pretty massive potential for improvements.

If you look into it you'll probably find it interesting that while the free driver has been faster than AMD's own for months now it's the latest additions like MESAs glthread that really pushes the performance, 133 fps in MESA 17.1 vs 208 on a RX 580 isn't a small difference (AMDs driver is at 115 fps).

>>61650189
Are they releasing those cards in September?

What happened to the $300-400 price range video cards? I thought the 1070 was going to cost $350?

WHY ARE PEOPLE SELLING GTX1060'S FOR 350USD? I THOUGHT MINERS WEREN'T BUYING THEM

>>61652499
Not ture

>>61652489
god damn theyre like $500 CAD. i might as well just get a 1070 or 1080

>>61652510
Wait what

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>>61651024
I wonder if VLIW would've scaled better, it was obviously worse for GPGPU but for actual GPU processing?

>>61652518
>What happened to the $300-400 price range video cards?

Miners buy them by the dozens and drive the price up. You either buy the lowest end trash or the ultra top end or pay the miner tax.

>>61652531
I'm just wondering what SEP means near the price.

>>61652510
14th of august.

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>>61652539
sephiroth

>>61652539
14 august is release, SEP means something like MSRP

>>61652539
Seller estimated price

>>61652525
>>61652538
Fuck that man, these prices are crazy, gonna wait till they stabilize and see if the $400 Ayymd vega card is good.

>>61652499
Those fucking pajeets over at AMD better open source their Windows drivers then.

Do reviewers get to play with the cards before release? Because I'm tired of all this shit. Wanna see some fucking numbers.

>>61650189
In Europe Vega is going to be more expensive than 1080.

>>61651161
I doubt it's the miners buying Nvidia cards, most actually don't because they can barely compute and aren't useful for much beyond gaming - but miners have bought every single AMD card on the market. The only AMD card I see anywhere is the RX 550, even the slightly better RX 560s are sold out in every local webshop.

If you want a graphics card right now then there's no choice, you have to buy nvidia. I suspect they are taking advantage of the fact that there is, right now, absolutely zero competition.

>>61652585
No one cares about your commie shitholes.

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I miss 7970 glory days...

>>61652569
imagine if the power of bored NEETS was unleashed upon AMD drivers

If coffee lake launches by the end of th year I'll build a system around that and a 1080ti or maybe wait for Volta but if I do that I'll just end up eating for zen2 and a ti version of Volta

>>61652591
Careful with posting so much, you might go over your verizon data cap.

What a fucking mess 2 years without a flagship card and they put out this pile of overpriced high wattage shit. It's a shame I really do like my 24" Samsung Curved Freesync monitor but I can't support their inferior product. Scrapping it all and going nvidia

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>>61652612
>fucking volta
>fucking zen2

what's with all this fucking waiting
I don't want to get burned if something massively better comes out

>>61652612
Zen2 at 7nm LP is 2019 mate. Q1 2018 is for Pinnacle Ridge, a refresh a la Kaby Lake

Can we form a lynch mob to hang all the miners and their fun money?

>>61652638
Sounds about right
Just stay away from intel

Nvidia is ok in my book

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>>61652648
>wahh mommy I'm too stupid to make free money

>>61650189
How long ago was all that "Make some noise" and "Poor Volta" stuff?

If I've already got a freesync 4k monitor, is the Vega worth it?

>>61652666

A week or 2, their little party crash hard and fast.

>>61652693

>Vega
>4K

Well if you're looking for a 25-30 FPS machine, sure.

>>61651789
>>61651808

The CF791.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-34-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor-C34F791/dp/B01M1D7JVO

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>>61652612
>Coffee Lake and Volta system

>>61652693
>freesync 4k monitor

The ultimate conundrum.

A monitor that features things exclusive to AMD cards while running at a resolution AMD can push a whole 2 games to.

AIB's at reasonable price is likely when? Mid October at best I think. That'll only give AMD at most 3 months to sell units before Nvidia starts raining on their parade with Volta news.

>>61652693
If you are only getting 1080 performance at 4k, it might not be unless you think you can sell the card and upgrade in a year or two.

>>61652434
>Why even use HBM2 if you're only going for 2048 bit two stacks?
AMD spent money making HBM, they pretty much have to use it, it's just like GDDR4

That also means they can still expand, and likely will with any Vega rebrands.

>>61652038

Idiot. Who the fuck is running their graphics card at 100% load for 6 hours a day? Power consumption is identical at idle, where most people spend most of their time. Your estimation is absurd.

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>>61652448
sucks doesnt it.

>>61652873
Guess I should buy kabylake x then

>buy Vega and 1080
>use Vega in winter, swap for 1080 in summer
Get on my level.

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AMD really is in panic mode.
Few issues here

1. Gsync is about $100 more because it is a hardware add-on.
It's not $300 like they claim
My 144hz gsync 1440p dell was $380 on sale.

2. AMD trying to argue price to performance is hilarious because my 1080 was $505. Seen some as low as $470

3. Consuming 400 watts while barely beating a year old gtx1080 in room is bad news.
Especially when Doom is an AMD title.

This is not looking good at all

>>61652963
Needs various brain sizes meme pic

>>61652966
And this aftermarket Vega will be more expensive. They always are

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>>61652966
>on sale.

>>61652966
>It's not $300 like they claim
Go look at 4k 27" IPS free-sync Vs G-sync and get back to me, g-sync displays of that type start at near $900 right now, Free-sync is around $400, $450 right now due to lower stock from selling out.

>>61652966
Is that Gigabyte model worth it? People keep memeing me saying Gigabyte is shit.

>>61652966
1080's aren't at $505 anymore. Prices on all GPUs - including nvidia's - have gone up pretty rapidly (locally, anyway) the last few months.

That being said, the VEGAs seem rather overpriced compared to what they actually deliver.

AMD told us outright in their financial presentations that they don't care about the low value budget segment anymore, they are going after the high-end high-margin segment. If they say something about price-to-performance then it's a sham because they don't care, they would rather sell less cards for more than more cards for less.

Reality is that if you're going to price your card like it's the best on the market then it actually has to be the best, or at minimum close to the best, on the market. This is where they seem to fail.

>>61653093
>4k
Lol except the Vega can't even hit 60 FPS why the fuck would you buy a 4k freesync monitor when nothing can support it.

>>61652643
Buy what you need today. It will be endless cycle if you keep holding out.

>>61653127
I run 4k with an RX 560 because I need it for work and not gaming, you can run games at 1080p maxed out and it will scale perfect, and a shit load of games will run 4k with some minor tweaks, mostly turning off any AA and lowering shadows.

>>61653175
>Buy 4k monitor
>To play games at 1080p
Yes. And people are the one wasting money on the G-sync equivalent.

>>61653127

Except you can play CS GO at 4k in 150 fps on a RX 580 which makes it likely that you can also do that on a newer VEGA card.

>>61653182
Are you an idiot anon? You have a 4k workspace and can still game just fine. Hell my RX 560 runs Elite Dangerous and Civ V/VI at 4k.

>>61653194
Yeah you can except only morons buy a 4k monitor to play CSGO on. And you don't even need adaptive sync for a game like CSGO.

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>>61653093
Issues here
Vega isn't a 4k card
And if you can afford a $800 IPS 4k screen, you aren't buying Vega.

>>61653113
>1080's aren't at $505 anymore
They still areyou dumb fuck.

>>61653321
In my country its still $1700
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>61653321
Or you could buy a $400 Free-sync screen, with a $400 Vega 56 chip, OC it, and just run games at medium high instead of high/ultra, and be just fine

>>61652693
I'm in the same situation, I think I'm gonna wait for reviews and if they're good, get a Vega, otherwise get a 1080ti and sell when Navi arrives which should hopefully be 4k60hz capable

>>61653127
kill yourself lying shill. plenty of games can do 4k @ 60 on vega, 1080, 1080ti, etc.

>>61653346
>OC it
Need extra money for the fire extinguisher and fire insurance

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>>61653374
From AMD's very own slides.
Now if you are buying a 400 dollar card and 700 dollar monitor to play garbage games then that is your choice.

>>61653379
You can undervolt Vega and still get more performance than stock, the 56 only has a 210W TDP , when will you stop shitposting anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkfYDWwo7s

>>61653390
Did you even read that fucking slide? Thats minimum fps

>>61653398
>Please don't compare the FE to the RX
>But please absolutely compare the FE to the RX now
Ayyyyymd

>>61653412
Vega silicon isn't changing, the software is,. RX has a few power efficiency things that weren't added to FE. RX Vega will still draw 400W or more if you give it everything, but you can also still undervolt it and potentially gain performance.