/w4v/ - Daily Wait for Vega Thread - The Final Countdown

>>61648965
india superpower 2020

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>>61648965
First for team brown
Surely it will not be a flop

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i dont even need it but i have an urge to buy a vega. why am i such a consumerist whore?

Uhoh looks like the numbers are confirmed: https://videocardz.com/71430/amd-announces-radeon-rx-vega-64-series

>>61649811
Vega confirmed to cost $1200 just like all the endless retarded anti-AMD shitposters said. Thanks Obama.

>The TDP is 295W

>This model has higher TDP (345W)

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>61649004
>>61649027
>>61649885
6 replies and half of them are already shitposting. This thread is just going to be a dumpsterfire.

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>CARDS ONLY AVAILABLE IN SEPTEMBER

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW

WAIT(TM) SOME MORE, AYYMDPOORFAGS

>>61649885
https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/status/891467348187766784

>>61649986
You gotta go back

>>61649920

I seriously don't get why they are delaying the cards even more. What's the fucking point? The 3+ months of waiting didn't make HBM2 memory cheaper. Memory got more expensive since then because of the Micron factory incident. And since FE Vega benchmarks came out, the hype and anticipation of people wanting Vega has gone down. Not even the miners want it with the poor showing that it has with mining.

The only thing that would've been a positive was that this delay may have brought some time for drivers to get better but even then, was that really worth the wait?

>>61650031
>Micron
Micron is not fabbing HBM2.

>>61650053

Come on, really? You're going to nickpick on one portion of the sentence and take it out of context?

I was talking about the memory market as a whole. Even if Micron is fabbing HBC which is different. the memory market is very sensitive to pricing disruption, where NAND can be affected by DRAM pricing and vice versa even though they are completely different memory types and are used differently. So it doesn't matter if HBM2 isn't made at Micron, it's just that the pricing increase from the disruption will increase the price for HBM2 as well.

i bought a 1080ti

>>61648965
I'm waiting for my tax return, then I'll be building a Ryzen system. I'll decide after that if I'll get Vega. Hopefully I won't be disappointed

>>61649920
That is estimated price. Not September.

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>>61650153

>>61649986
Looks like a hot mess. Does presentation mean nothing anymore?

>>61649986
Fu>>>/ck/ off.

VEGA NANO CONFIRMED
https://smallformfactor.net/news/exclusive-fleeting-glance-vega-nano

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>>61649986
>Tacos al pastor.

Mi negro.

Posting this one last time because this video is the entire fiasco that is the vega launch rn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su418ixxZZs&index=3&list=LLGmb0CwvsaZxzs7KBHRguxg&t=35s

i dont know shit about amd but are all these new vega things that people are hyping the fucking gaymer $800 types or are there shit-cheap $60-$120

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>>61651063
they had to cut costs - not even woodscrews are visible.

Well, I always wondered why they had such a big PCB if the ram is on the same package.

>>61648965
IT'S HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxVzDQtHzqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxVzDQtHzqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxVzDQtHzqo

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>>61649811
1080 performance today on the official AMD drivers.

Where will it be in a few months on Mesa?

>>61648965
Speaking of Fiji, there’s been some question over whether the already shipping Vega FE cards had AMD’s Draw Steam Binning Rasterizer enabled, which is one of the Vega architecture’s new features. The short answer is that no, the DSBR is not enabled in Vega FE’s current drivers. Whereas we have been told to expect it with the RX Vega launch. AMD is being careful not to make too many promises here – the performance and power impact of the DSBR vary wildly with the software used – but it means that the RX Vega will have a bit more going on than the Vega FE at launch.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-amd-announecs-499-rx-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/3

I told you niggers you should wait

https://www.pscp.tv/OptimistechR/1DXxyOnkQQbGM - livestream

>>61651642
God damn it Ryan I know you're better than that, what the fuck is up with the HBCC and geometry performance? DSBR is important but it's only 1 out 3 important features and you didn't ask for the other two? Fucking hell

>>61651667
how do I make the stream upright?

>>61651697
Rotate your monitor fgt.

>>61651697
it should automatically rotate if your browser is full size and monitor is 16:9

>>61651704
maybe my monitor is too small resolution

>>61651687
At least it confirms what we already knew .. disabled HW features in drivers. Just Waiting for actual benchmarks on August 14th now.

>>61651704
>>61651723
there we go, didn't see the sidebar close button

According to the footnotes, this is tested with reference V64, meaning expect clocks under 1400MHz sustained.

This is better than I expected, I thought these tests were run with the 1670MHz watercooled one.

If this >>61651642 gets enabled latter on the reference V64 should be hitting over 1500MHz sustained.

>>61651781
son of a bitch, the guy finished it in the middle
where's the rest?

>>61651687
Geometry performance is fine. The problem is in scheduling or memory latency. You can look at compubench scores and see it performs against a 1080 in openCL tests exactly as it performs against a 1080 in games. DSBR will improve bandwidth efficiency (effective bandwidth goes up) and power efficiency (power goes down) but I doubt it'll make a big difference in actual performance. But I could be wrong, we'll see. I don't believe openCL tests should load the bandwidth so I doubt it's the real problem here but it could make a difference in games.

>>61651503
Its the worst launch ive seen since the 290 and 480

doom and titanfall bench where

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>>61651818
He got busted.

>>61651819
It's more about removing the bandwidth bottleneck(effective memory speed is 300ish GB/s on Vega...) and enabling higher sustained clocks.

>>61651667
god he is such a shitty presenter, fucking fire him.

https://www.pscp.tv/OptimistechR/1djGXLmbXaNGZ? new link - livestream

>>61651757
>even AMDumbfucks are just waiting themselves because they're worried about vega too

>>61648965
>take your new gpu on a party for a year
>the performance is equal to a year old model 1080ti
> still not released
Raj is money laundering

>>61652020
The performance isn't anywhere near a 1080ti tho
You mean 1080?

>>61649920
what the fuck is in the pack?

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>>61653165
Discounts for your recommended accessories.

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>>61653165
>>61653196
Basically you pay $100 for the GPU for $120 of games, $100 off a 1700X or 1800X with one of these three motherboards, and $200 off an $800 Samsung ultrawide

>>61653165
Two games and coupons

>>61653226
Er, $100 extra for the GPU for those extras. And the extras are all instant rebates, so you'd need to buy about $1500 of the cheapest Vega GPU, a 1700x, the msi motherboard, and the samsung display in order to take advantage of the lower prices.

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dumb fan boys forget the Nvidia GTX 590 it was VERY HOT and very very power hungry.

HBM is nothing compeared to Fermi boyo
Picrelated.

Kids these days LOL.

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>>61653226
>Ryzen 7s
>X versions
they could've tempted more people with price off all Ryzen units

Vega 56 with ca. 1080 performance + FS 2 monitor + Wolfenstein 2.
Give me that nice deal, AMD. This is EXACTLY what I want.

>>61653960
nice bait

>>61653960
>2 GPUS in One card

Of course it was hot, you clod.

why do nvidia fans care to argue in a thread that's obviously for people interested in amd products?

>>61654329
What? Nothing is above criticism. I actually love to see comparisons and criticism of as many products as possible. I just never like it when its its unconditional love/adoration tier like the stupid console war threads on /v/.

>>61654571
it would be nice if could actually win an argument in the internet nigga

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>>61648965
I really want one of the silver Vega cards. It'd look great in my case. How limited do you guys think it'll be?

>>61649885
>I have no idea what Im talking about

>>61650153
I would never buy a gpu with a missing memory chip, disgusting.

>>61651490
They pack a monstruous vrm on the pcb wich can go really hot. It is overkill and thry know it.

>>61653226
The combo packs are actually pretty nice. Too bad I already built my PC and bought monitors ~6 months ago.

>>61654698
It's hard for anything to look good with those shit brown Noctua fans.

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>>61654698
pretty neat actually

>>61650031

Building up stock or optimizing drivers further.

Can anyone tell me in simple terms how much more powerful a RX Vega 56 is to a RX 480?

Im considering buying one when they release.

Thanks

>>61656659
> 10.5TFLOPs vs 5.8TFLOPs

>>61656659
More

So I was going to get a 1080. Get the 56 right?

>>61656691
shiiiiit time to buy rx vega 56

>>61656691
>drivers vs no drivers

>>61656691
>10.5 tflops
How is it on par with 1070? It's even higher than a 1080.

>>61656923
because half of the architecture doesn't work

>>61656923
That's the 56, not the 64 (just for clarity)

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Vega also has botnet.

>>61656923
Because they let the Chinese develop Vega and it's a piece of shit that can't use all of its compute

>>61657031
>SRIOV
so wait does rx vega support it?

>EU don't even get the Freesync voucher.

and I've just purchased a Freesync monitor after my old one failed last week. :(

>>61653226
Are these packs only for america?

>>61658744
No but the FreeSync monitor is.

>>61653226
The games can be gotton for free from other places anyway. That monitor is a meme and overpriced even for $600.

So you pay an extra $100 to get a $100 rebate for a CPU + Motherboard bundle? This is a shit deal.

>>61648965
how much does nvidia pay you to make these slide threads?

Tell me about the RX Vega. Are Nvidia going to lower their price for the 1070 in reaction?

>>61659180
Not likely unless RX Vega is released with godlike perfect drivers and performance is closer to a 1080 ti than a 1080. Which also is not likely.

Isn't that monitor the one with screen flickering issues under freesync?

>>61659180
Irrelevant since the prices will stay high due to mining.

>>61653226
but I don't want that monitor. Is it just that monitor?

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BENCHMARKS WHEN

https://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en-us&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2Fnews%2Fid-software-wolfenstein-2-unterstuetzt-fp16-und-vulkan-1707-129201.html

>New in the version of id Tech 6 developed for Wolfenstein 2 - The New Colossus are FP16 calculations. These are done with half precision, which leads to a higher image rate with some shaders without affecting the graphics quality visibly. For what exactly id software on FP16 instead of FP32 put, AMD did not. Post-processing effects, such as Bloom. The performance should rise in the double-digit percentage range, id Software did not want to comment on this.

Should I even build a ryzen system now? I never mix and match

>Anyone wondering where all the die size of Vega went, wonder no more.

>It has 45MB of SRAM on die. GP100 has 23MB, GV100 has 33MB.
>God knows what they're doing with all of that and still somehow being hungrier for bandwidth.

>>61661590
So where you going to get the Intel GPU and NVidia CPU?

>in b4 integrated trash and muh tegra

>>61661640
I was going to do Zen and vega but might just wait for coffeelake and Volta now

>>61661663
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that counts as mixing and matching. Unless Intel and NVidia merged while I wasn't looking.

>>61661686
Intel and nvidia go together

>>61661726
you are a retard.

>>61661636
eh? what? why?
two more weeks, this vega wait is killing me.
it's amazing how we know about vega less and less with each "announcment"

>>61661744
We know a lot more now. Just waiting on final benchmarks from independent reviewers.

>>61661799
answer to questions that ask even more questions

I really wonder what they are going to do with fp16. None of the pascal cards have it I think.
New Wolfenstein game supports it. Consoles support it.
There are way too much feature to use on vega. Driver optimizations at least would take a year.

>>61656948
>>61656923
Proper drivers are desperately needed.

>>61662455
They are already teasing Vega drivers lmao.

>>61662455
The master plan is to wait until Volta is out then crush it completely by fixing Vega drivers.

>>61662513
>>61662614
Was AMDs programming staff so focused on Ryzen patches that the forgot that Vega was on the todo list as well?

>>61662781
No, implementing TBR is fuckretarded hard, ask nVidia.

>>61662795
Yes, but why the fuck didn't they just delay RX until the drivers were actually finished instead of deathmarching the driver department and backdoor delaying the launch twice without telling anyone?

And for that matter, why did they bet the farm of TBR when they could have largely alleviated the memory bandwidth bottleneck in hardware to begin with?

>>61662943
They released FE Vega early to meet shareholder promises.

>>61662965
I'm aware, but I still think they would have been better off to announce a delay to finish the drivers and wait until they were SURE they had their version of TBR working properly before having a launch event and then actually launch the product at that launch event and drop NDA at that launch event.

And why the fuck did they supposedly use a memory controller limited to 303GB/s ( https://hardforum.com/threads/vega-rumors.1933112/page-68#post-1043130879 ) instead of one that could take full advantage of the HBM2 bandwidth?! Now they've got all their eggs in one basket as far as gaming performance goes, don't they?

>>61662943
FE works fine as a workstation card.
Also crybabies are going out of control, you need to control the hype.

>>61663020
Vega10 uses a PAIR of said 303GB/s controllers.

>https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RXVEGA64X-W-8GD-B#kf
>System power supply requirement: 1000W

nice cool single core graphic you have here pajeet

>>61663078
My 650watt titanium PSU would be able to run it then.

a fucking 80+ silvers 750watt would run it just fine even

>>61653226
aw fuck not the stuff I want (1700, mITX). no sick shroud for me? bother.

>>61663207
Probably yes, meanwhile 1080 with similar performance 180-200W...

>>61663284
The aircooled is 295w. https://videocardz.com/71487/amd-radeon-vega-graphics-cards-explained

>>61663048
>Vega10 uses a PAIR of said 303GB/s controllers.
Oh, ok. That would make more sense. I guess that means that if DSBR doesn't do enough to alleviate the memory bandwidth bottleneck then they'd have to revise to add HBM2 stack to increase bandwidth, yes?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6qod7y/psa_vega_bundle_monitor_freesync_is_broken/

>Looks like AMD is bundling Samsung's c34f791 with their Vega purchases. The issue is, that monitor Freesync essentially does not work.

AYYMD & SAMSHIT IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING

>>61663298
And 1080 is still 100W lower.
How AMD is doing it?! This is R290X failure again...

>>61663329
you keep saying this like it means anything
it doesn't.

>>61663329
The card will be available 2 weeks later.

One of the driver guys mentioned that tile based rendering will be turned on the launch driver.

So basically we don't know the final performance numbers yet.

https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-RXVEGA64-O8G-GAMING/
So only ASUS right now say they have their custom design. Damn.

>>61663388
They've just slapped 1080ti's cooler on ref PCB.

>>61663388
>no iChill Vega
No!

>>61653960
Yeah, Fermi was awful. It taught Nvidia that power efficiency is pretty important, which set their development goals moving forward. Meanwhile AMD has gotten worse and worse in this regard every generation, their cards are now worse than Fermi ever was when it comes to powerdraw and heat.

>I’m going to end this article with a story since I think it is appropriate right now. Back at CES I had the chance to sit down over supper with a long-time ex employee of AMD and RTG. When asked about the long, drawn out release of Vega his simple answer was: There’s two ways to break bad news to someone - either all at once or prepare the person little by little so acceptance comes easier.

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>61663495
Sauce me sempai.

>>61663509
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/75782-amd-reveals-rx-vega-price-performance-specs.html

>>61663388
>https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-RXVEGA64-O8G-GAMING/
Yeah that's literally just the exact same as the Nvidia cards

>>61659206
>not likely
it's just not going to happen
Performance is a little better than 1080

>>61663409
>>61663548
I think I will buy this one. If it is not USD65 more expensive than the Aorus RX Vega.

>>61663495
>It turns out there wasn’t much bad news to prepare for but we won't see something new and different either.

Fuck off.

>>61663819
>Dawning realization that you could have been enjoying 1080 performance for over a year now instead of waiting

It burns, nigga

>>61663945
>>Dawning realization that you could have been enjoying 1080 performance for over a year now instead of waiting
>It burns, nigga
It burns as fuck...
Could have bought 1080 GamingX for 420$-450$ 2 months ago, but no.. wait for Vega they said, wait for Vega m8...
Now 1080 skyrocketed because miners, Vega is a housefire.
Fuck this.

Also did anyone notice all games in comparision to 1080 were DX12 and Vulkan titles.
So 90% of games might have worse performance than 1080.
Power of powerpoint slides.

>>61654698
>buying ayyyymd reference ever
enjoy 50dB jet turbine with anything higher than 20% load

What's the logic behind the naming, how is the mid end going to be labeled?

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I can't remember if the Polaris release had this much shitposting. Niggas calm down, try to be less retarded and shitpost less.
Does any Vega card have SR-IOV? I might even consider the stupid frontier edition if it carries it.

>>61665490
>I can't remember if the Polaris release had this much shitposting.
Polaris was mid end.
Vega was hyped by AMD as return to high-end and fighting for performance crown, but we got Hawaii2 housefire with 300W TDP that doesnt even try to fight for crown.

>>61665490

>I can't remember if the Polaris release had this much shitposting.

Forgot already? Polaris had a lot more shit posting because it was more or less around the same time the Nvidia 10xx series came out and it was more hyped up than Vega is now.

>>61665490
>Does any Vega card have SR-IOV
slides say they have.

When do we get benchmarks? When is the NDA lifted?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/siggraph-amd-studios-opens-hollywood-1025318
Meanwhile.
>>61666129
14th of August.

>>61666154
>We are also going to start seeing the beginning of AI in animation.

so AMD is producing now spiderman and elsa youtubevideos?

>>61666154
>release gaming cards
>its average in games
>housefire
>b...but its good in profesional applications and productivity

Yeah then just release PRO versions and dont bait people its for games