/tpg/ - Thinkpad General

>61617656
you'll need an external psu no matter the card. not enough power through the adapter alone, full stop

also the 1030 won't work with any mpcie/ec egpu setup since it came out looong after the last driver versions which allowed 10 series egpu setups (372.90 non-hot swappable, 375.70 hot swappable)

>>61617650
You fucking idiot. Do you have any idea how fucking rare a Z61m with a titanium cover is?
>hurr ba durr T7XXX is shit and very slow and hot
LIke you gays nigga would know.

>>61620064
Why are Thinkpads so good? I've only had one for a little while but I already know I could never go back.

Never used a notebook before but I need to buy one right now. Why the hell is everything so fucking expensive? I thought notebooks are getting more popular than desktop PCs because they are more affordable but from what I've seen in the recommended list here, they're all equally or more expensive than a regular mid range PC. Like, there's not a single thinkpad of the P, T, X or W series under 1000$ and I take it the cheaper thinkpads of the other series are all crap?

>>61620415
Buy an old Thinkpad, like a T420. Should be fine for everything except modern games or other compute-heavy tasks.

>>61620415
fucking retard, if you don't know shit you shouldn't talk shit like this
of course, new notebooks are always expensive and new cheap ones are trash. nobody here would buy a new thinkpad cuz its just stupid, you would always want to buy an older one as they become extremely cheap over time -> x200, x220, x230, t420/t520/w520 and t430/t530/w530

>>61620440
>T420
>old
What the fuck? Pick one fucktard

>>61620440
>>61620445
But how is an old T or X series better than a new Thinkpad from the more affordable series? Like, I'm looking at a Lenovo V510 for example and it has really good specs and a good price and the user ratings are good as well. Why is it crap compared to a T420 or X220?

>>61620586
drop them once and we'll see retard
new thinkpads don't even deserve that name

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>>61620586
>numpad on the keyboard
This is shit is annoying as fuck when you have to missalign your hands which strains them alot.
>no Expresscard or PCMCIA slot
Say kiss goodbye to eGPU
>not a single part available on aliexpress
This machines resale price is shit
>no trackpoint
This is for so you don't have to move your hands from typing position when you want to use the mouse.
>no spillproof keyboard
Once you spill something, it's a goner.
>soldered ULV CPU
Shit perfomance that you will be stuck forever. However the battery life should be decent, as if you were unable to undervolt the CPU yourself to get maximum battery life.
>no rollcage
This machine will flex itself and kill the mobo, if too much pressure is applied to the chassis
>no ultrabay
You better have a screwdriver with you when you desire to remove that dvd drive

Also, when you look the design of V510, you can clearly see that replacing chassis parts on that will require you to take the whole computer apart just to change a part or two.
>no thinklight
Better buy that backlight keyboard, goy.

Fucking nigger, do you want to be spoonfed more? LURK MOAR
>>61620701
I agree, like look at this abortion in pic related. Does this piece of shit have magnesium rollcage? FUCK NO.

>>61620347
Ooh mmy good
That fucking faggot
I fucking missed that last thread

I recently spotted a T61p at around 180USD, its on good condition but i haven't seen the specs yet, looking at lenovo's page this thing could have a resolution(TFT screen) between 1024x768 and 1920x1200.

Would it be worth the 180USD if it was the highest spec model? or should i look for a newer T430.(i live on south america so there isn't much variety to choose from)

Also performance isn't a issue, i already have a L440 full of upgrades to work with VMs and more heavy stuff, i'm looking for a second laptop as a backup and the T61p seems good enough.

>>61620281
>>61617656

>>61620494

The T420 is considered to be fairly old as it's a Sandy Bridge architecture based laptop nowadays so several generations behind. Is it adequate to do most tasks that people do when actually using a computer and not just playing fucking games? Absolutely, a T420 even with an i5 is more than capable of anything required in today's world, it'll just accomplish some tasks slower than more current processors would be capable of handling them.

But it IS an older laptop now, like it or not, 5+ years sets that status automagically.

It's still a great piece of hardware but my Dell Latitude E6420 is superior and about as old.

>fucking whitelists in the BIOS
>fucking privacy issues
>fucking other shit too
>fuck Lenovo

>>61620415
Buy an older one
They're better anyway

>>61620760

Anything in the T6x series is not worth more than $100 cash nowadays, period, end of story, I don't give a fuck what hardware components it has, they are simply not worth more than that unless they're brand new never opened in the original factory box with a validation from Lenovo that it's never been opened before you get your hands on it.

In that kind of condition it's worth $150, mind you, but not a fucking cent more.

No Core Duo or Core 2 Duo laptop is worth more than $100 anymore, if you pay more than that you're getting ripped off but people are fucking stupid so as long as you realize you're fucking stupid to pay more than $100 for a such a laptop, so be it.

>fucking stupid people will be the death of us all

>>61620586
Superior IBM design my man
Also jewtel shat it's pants for the past 5-6 years
Ivy bridge dual cores can outclass anything up to baby lake

>>61620347

>Z61 titanium

I got one at a pawn shop earlier this year for $50, it's not that big of a deal, really. Sold it for $100, doubled my money, case closed.

>>61620763
>sandy bridge is so behind
Anon broadwell isn't that old
Sandy bridge gets broadwell tier performance

>>61620784
Not him but don't apply the cheap as fuck US prices on everyone. He clearly said he's from South America so at least twice the price on everything, even used.

>>61620494
It's not 2011 anymore
Also old is a relative word

>>61620586
>paying for lenovo trash
>actually believing newer hardware is better
?

I know this thread is specifically about decent business laptops, but
what are some brands and product lines specially shitty among laptops in general that should be avoided?
For example Asus Ultrabooks are complete garbage in build quality and mine turns off if you move it sometimes

>>61620832
lenovo

>>61620832
Acer.
Great on paper.
But chink build quality with zero cooling
Literally a housefire

The more expensive """"gaymen"""" line up is said to be more okay but a few of my friends who actually have them say that the batteries completely flat after their second year

>>61620811

Not my job to convert currencies, I don't give a fuck where that person lives, if it's that bad move.

>no fucking excuses accepted

>>61620763
Senpai, there has been whitelist on thinkpad since IBM. However they were less than there is today. Also, you can remove them in most cases but it sure is a inconvenience
>privacy issues
Do you mean those Superfish and Lenovo service engine? Do please note that these were on newer lenovo laptops (2013-2015). But it seems (like always) never trust a chink.
>>61620794
Yeah, those might be common in US but not so in Yuropoor.
>>61620812
What did you say? Where the fuck is my floppies?????? HOW COME THEY DON'T SELL 16bit CPU ANYMORE!!?!??!
>>61620784
>Anything in the T6x series is not worth more than $100 cash nowadays,
What the fuck? Thinkpad T60 are worth every single penny of your money. You can libreboot them or T70'd if you so desire.

>>61620832

If it's not a ThinkPad (T/W/X), if it's not a Dell Latitude or Precision, if it's not an HP Elitebook, or perhaps one of the rare Asus business class models then seriously you should avoid it like the plague.

Basic rule of thumb: If you can buy it at a local consumer electronics shop, it's not something you should actually buy because the business class models require purchase online direct from the manufacturer most of the time, and from third party resellers the rest.

>>61620874

>What the fuck?

They're worth no more than $100, period, and as stated if you pay more for them that's your problem.

>>61620763
>5+ years sets that status automagically

this is where i would disagree. i'm of the opinion that laptop design has regressed dramatically in those 5+ years, to the point where a sandy/ivy thinkpad performance remains very competitive with many brand new laptops

lets look at a base mobile i5: on paper, a 7200u is generally 30% faster than a 2520m. ignoring that we shouldn't really be celebrating a 30% performance increase that took 6 years to get to, how long is that 7200u going to stay running at full turbo, in a sleek thin modern laptop with a piddly little heatsink strapped to it?

>inb4 muh power efficiency
i really do wonder what percentage of a laptop's life is spent running off the mains vs off battery. i'd like to think most grownups treat a laptop as a portable workstation and use it at desks and tables near an outlet. nevermind that i'd prefer 5hrs replaceable vs 8-10hrs (on a good day) non-replaceable that a lot of new ulv laptops have

>>61620842
wich lenovos? I've never used a bad lenovo, even the old cheap one i tried had great keyboard and build quality

is the new x270 any good?

>>61620994
No

>>61621009
Justify

>>61620947

I did say I currently own a Dell Latitude E6420 which is Sandy Bridge architecture (I have the Nvidia Quadro NVS 4200m discrete GPU and a Core i7-2640m dual core (2 cores/4 threads) so I'm well aware of what SB architecture is still capable of compared to newer stuff.

>>61621030
It's not a x220

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>>61621030
I were to use it, it wouldn't free any different from NC4010 because of that shitty keyboard. This laptop is far from the X31 we use to see, with a excellent keyboard and expandability. There were nothing like IBM thinkpads back in the days, they were like god send machines.

In X270, well what does the competitors bring to the table? Is it like X31? Or a retarded cluster fuck like NC4010 which has a poor engineering behind it and it looks like X31 is lightyears ahead when it comes to execution.

>>61620440
Fight me. The T420 is a dinosaur laptop.

>>61620400
trackpoint

>>61621240
enjoy your slower """"new"""" hardware

my gf spilled gin on my x230 and killed it. probably going to replace it with current gen

i've got a spare hd mod board going and i know nitrocaster takes forever to make them, how likely is it i'll be able to get cost price on it?

>>61621240
>i7 fast enough to deal with modern workloads
>Actual ports
>Nice keyboard
I fail to see the issue.

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>X220
>Have to remove system board to get to the charging port connector
>Have to remove VGA connectors to remove system board
>Have to find 5mm socket wrench

I'm not super familiar with laptop teardowns but is this normal / good design?

Thinkpad - the poor mans MacBook

>>61621307
The smaller the computer is, the more pain in the ass is to fix it.
Also remember the golden rule, "If ain't broken, don't fix it."

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>>61621289
posting a pic in case any gtards wanna buy it

>>61621328
I think there is no point using that mod if it is no supported by Libreboot

>>61621325
Sadly this shit won't charge without me pushing the charger in for an hour. Going to be pissed if it's my charger that's damaged and not the port

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What is the x200 of 2017?

>compact
>ips
>good keyboard

>>61621349
X62

>>61621341
it works with libre, it just hijacks a couple of lanes to run a hd panel

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>>61621302
>bulky
>heavy
>ugly
>ancient
>inefficient
>a literal laughing stock

>>61621287
[citation needed]

>>61620828
I thought "thinkpad" means the Lenovo Thinkpad. Am I missing something here? How is this manufacturer trash, yet /g/ has a general dedicated to their products?

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>>61621374

>>61621366
>Does exactly what it's meant to
>Durable
>Only marginally thicker than modern ultrabooks
I fail to see the issue.
>>61621383
The Thinkpad line started as IBM products. Lenovo kept the design largely similar until about 2012. The modern ones are agreed to be pretty much trash when compared to the older ones. Some even swear by their pre-handover IBM produced model though they're long in the tooth.

>>61621383

IBM created ThinkPads (note the proper fucking spelling) just over 20 years ago now and until they split off the ThinkPad division to Lenovo they were awesome laptops so, the focus for many ThinkPad aficionados is the last few models produced by IBM itself meaning the T6x models and then came the Lenovo Z-series then following up with Lenovo's takes on the T/W/X models.

The first few Lenovo branded models weren't totally bad, actually, but it's generally agreed upon that the last best ThinkPad with Lenovo branding is the T420/W520/X220/X220t and everything since has been shit.

You either understand it or you don't, so most of us "old timers" (I've been using ThinkPads since the first model came out in 1997 and I still own two near-mint condition ThinkPad 701c Butterfly models as well) have been at the ThinkPad game for a long long time.

Most people new to ThinkPads don't get the history nor do they fucking care, so whatever.

>>61621418
So what, the only good laptops you can buy are 5+ year old and everything current is trash?

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What went wrong? :(

>>61621366
>implying most of those points aren't positives
here's your (you)

X220

Should i fit a 2.5" 850 EVO or M.2 850 EVO?

>>61621442
Yes. Pretty much. This is the state of laptops in 2017.

>>61621478

The M.2 should theoretically offer better performance for day to day use, leaving the 2.5" space free for a traditional SATA SSD for storage or a hard drive there.

>>61621418
Blinded by and drowning in your own autism.
>The modern ones are agreed to be pretty much trash when compared to the older ones.
You'll also have no trouble finding people agreeing that old ThinkPads look like absolute dogshite or that Macbooks are better.
>Some even swear by their pre-handover IBM produced model though they're long in the tooth.
In the real world, nobody gives a shit about this cult.

>>61621522
>Look like
That's pretty subjective, there's something to be said for the plain black chassis in a world of Macbook clones. And are you buying your laptop to look good or work well, anyway? Long as it's not hot pink and covered in dildos I don't see the issue.

>>61621374
and another (you)

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>>61621587
>>61621374
forgot to add the picture

>>61621539
>And are you buying your laptop to look good or work well, anyway?
Why not both? It really isn't hard at all in the year 2017 to find something better looking. (read: modern ThinkPads, Latitude, Elitebook, literally any business laptop range made after the T420)

>>61621475
The only positive is that no one wants to steal it.

>>61621600
You seem oddly focused on the idea that a T420 or something looks horrifically ugly. It's just a plain black laptop. And it's not a compromise, unlike later Thinkpad models.

>>61621611
That's exactly the problem, anon. If I wanted to bring a thick bulky black box with me, I'd bring along a briefcase.

>>61621519
>>61621478
first thats msata that limited by sata 2 so youre both wrong
second someone people actually say the random access is slightly lower than what it is on sata 3
that said you only option to do a HDD SSD combo is msata plus 2.5"

it basically boils down to do you want to use a HDD as well?
if yes msata
if no 2.5" ssd

Hi guys. I need to replace my t420's battery. Can somebody please recommend good sellers/chink batteries on ebay/aliexpress/etc. ? I am afraid that I'll end up with some soykaf-tier one if I'll pick battery on my own.

>>61621628
>Thick
Not particularly
>Bulky
Not particularly
>Black
Shit, you got me there.

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>>61621638
The MacBook Pro is none of these.

>>61621666
Neat.

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>>61621628
Nigga, T420 is as thick as T40.
You think that 3cm or 1.2inch makes a laptop thick? WTF

Is there any other way to get the T420s/T430s FHD 1080p upgrade kit than via the thinkpad forums guy? He says he's running low atm so he's currently not selling them.

>>61621753
no excuses, it's thicker than my fat chode

>>61621812
thats not a chode then my friend.

>>61621341
Does it work on a x200? You can't flash libreboot to a x230…

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HP EliteBook 9470m > ThinkPad T420/T430.

Prove me wrong.

>>61621366
>normie retards think its old
>normie retards wont try to steal it
great, thanks normie

>>61622040
ULV shit

>>61622139
That's every laptop now except for your Alienware or Asus ROG "gaming" laptop.

>>61622156
Except the ULVs of the day were retardedly slow.

>9470m
>14 inch 1366x768 screen
>no other screen options
This is not acceptable either.

>>61620347
Considering I have several of those I would know about the heat issues. Fuck off and enjoy your space heater.

>>61622170
>T430
>Optical drive you don't need
>Lenovo security issues
This is not acceptable also.

>>61622185
There something wrong on your machine because for me it just werks :)

>>61621366
>using what an actual slut that understands nothing from computers said
I bet (you) also paid for her nudes

>>61622433
Mine just werks too faggot but when I put my t7200 under a full load vs my p8700 under a full load, the p8700 is about 15C cooler. It's common knowledge that Penryn chips are cooler than Merom

>>61622040
>3rd gen ULV
Anything under 5th ulvs are shit. Not enough performance, not enough battery savings
>1366x768 ON A 14" LAPTOP
This is inexcusable when both the thinkpads you're trying to knock on come with a 900p screen
>drop hinges
Ew.
>that don't even open 180 degrees
Even lenovo never did this on T X W P series

2570p 8470p T430s T430u T420s T430 T420 X220 X230 are much much much better

You literally shilled the wrong elitebook you fucking tard

We have hit a point where outdated hardware is still suitable for everyday use, since the average computer user's needs are wholly contained in a web browser.

What concerns me about the future of our outdated hardware is that the supply of batteries can't last forever, and since lenovo has implemented the DRM since the __30 series, I wonder what that means for the long run.

It doesn't matter much right now since most of us either use T4420 or X220, but what will we do years from now when the average /g/ faggot is on T450 and X250, and there are no more batteries left due to planned obsolescence?

thoughts?

>>61622592
What do you need a battery for? And why would they be rare? I just got a new 9 cell for my X200 for $40 on newegg

>>61622340
>not even having the option to run dual 2.5" drives is better
>implying they don't sell blank plastic placeholders if you don't want an optical drive and second hard drive
>what is ganoo plus loonix
>running Windows on bare hardware

>>61622592
The drm has been cracked for years now
Only idiots think the drm is an issue

>>61622592
you can get around the DRM, and if there is demand then there will be people swapping the cells out for new ones

>>61622649
>>61622645
genuinely didn't know, that is some good news

i7 or i5, in general, or for the t430s in particular ?

is i7 worth the cash ?

thx

>>61622753
I mean think of it this way too
The chinks hate lenovo so much that they made the x62 and T70
Planned obsolescence can be planned around

>>61622872
Same thing
Buy what's cheaper

>>61622893
thx

What 4:3/16:9/3:2 modern laptops are there with IPS display and a good keyboard and not to expensive?

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Found this for $40, and wondering if anyone can help me recognize the model? Is it worth?

>>61622881
>The chinks hate lenovo so much that they made the x62 and T70
Don't forget T50 and upcoming X210. We are into a interesting show.

>>61622626
Mine runs FreeBSD.

I done fucked up. Was reading the arch wiki page for the t420, and to control charging thresholds it tells you to use tpacpi-bat. After copying the commands and rebooting, battery will not charge (but will be kept constant at the level it is plugged in, atm 40%). Uninstalling tpacpi-bat did nothing. In page discussion this was flagged as an issue in 2016, but nothing has been edited to address this. Can anyone help me?

>>61623444
>X210
Please tell me more

>>61624128
Unfortunately, I don't know more about it other than that they took everything they learned from X62 so they might put a beefier cooler on it.

>>61624780
That's still pretty neat
Especially if we see a kaby lake cpu in it
or if Amd steps up and raven ridge isn't dogshit that would be neat too

>>61624819
Funniest part of these computers are that
>get new Lenovo Thinkpad with i7-7600U such as T470 with 8gb ram FHD IPS screen and 512gb ssd for 2k$
>or get T60 and mod it to T70 with i7-7700HQ (which is a powerful as i7-3770k) for under 1000$
But do note, you have to get ram and ssd yourself but still, it's quite funny. Screen is still the good old 1400x1050 TN.

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Post your speccy reports, /tpg/-kuns
Bonus points for anons who use thinkpads as main and only computers

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>>61624955
>wangblows

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>>61624921
I wouldn't get ram or storage from lenovo though
>>61625024
Pic related for you

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Are used thinkpads just a /g/ meme? Did I just burn a couple hundred on big black brick?

>>61624955
How are your temps under load? Dgpu cooler? Toshiba? Delta?

>>61625128
That's nice anon
Solid dgpu
Solid cpu
Might get a bit under very heavy load but it's good

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Is a T410 in good condition worth it for 200 dollars?

>>61625266
No, because its's not botnet free. Only

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>>61625161
>under load
at 100% load of iGPU and CPU it's about 90C degrees.
Modded standard heatsink with enlarged heatpipe and additional 4mm thick copper covering entire socket.
>Toshiba? Delta?
What?
HP 2570p. This model doesn't come with dGPU option.
Unless you're asking about fan producer, then I don't know, as it doesn't have any sticker on it. It's a standard 2570p fan.

>>61625274
>botnet free
Explain this to me.

>>61625231
Do you think it's worth hunting around for an XM ivybridge or would the improvement be minimal? I think the TDP is 10W more so would it just throttle back to the clocks I get with the current CPU?

>>61625024
What's wrong, sempai?
There is clearly eGPU visible, so it's easy to conclude I gaym on it.
You wouldn't recommend linux for gayming, would you?

>>61625290
Whoops got confused for a second and read the mobo as lenovo
Thought it was a T430
Nice 2570p you got there though

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>>61625348
I had t430 for a while too.

>>61625317
Anon that's a W520
You can't upgrade to Ivy Bridge
Your chipset won't allow it

>>61625383
oh...drat.

>b-but muh 1155 desktop inter-compatibility!

>>61625363
How's that anon? I've been thinking about buying a dgpu heatsink
My current igpu one won't cut it with a 3630qm
Maybe it's the fan getting old but it just won't go


>>61625424
I mean a custom bios like coreboot can workaround this but there have been people saying it's not as stable due to the chipset

>>61625295
Intel management engine is literally botnet
Can be easily disabled on cpus pre core
Not so easily on core cpus and onwards

>>61620763
>fucking privacy issues
?
You mean Superfish and shit?
You know all that wasn't on Thinkpads, right? It was for Lenovo's own shit

Besides,
>getting a laptop
>not immediately wiping the drive to install os
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>61625463
It was... big, heavy and screen was disgusting as fuck.
Besides that I liked it, especially with brand new 9cell battery and classic keyboard.
Definitely get dGPU heatsink, and remember to properly allign it with CPU die so it fully touches it. Also liquid metal thermal compound is highly recommended. Personally I was using coollaboratory liquid pro and it was great. -6 C degrees when dGPU and CPU were fully loaded. Sweet.
Plus installing tpfancontrol is mandatory, as you should enable the highest (unused by default) fan state - 64.

>>61621307
>Have to find 5mm socket wrench
What?
Just use pliers

>>61625500
Doesn't most fairly modern Thinkpads have Core CPUs though? Or am I missing something?

>>61621349
Since when did x200 have ips??

>>61625576
Core as in Intel core i5 not as in Intel core duo.

>>61621459
The layout.

The keys are actually fine on the new ones. They curve in the same as regular and old keys. No other laptops today do that.

On some models the new chiclet style keys actually have deeper key travel than the old ones due to how short the keys are

>>61621478
I'd use the msata one
Yes SATA 2 is slower than SATA 3
But I find in practical use you don't really notice the difference
It's still many times faster than a regular hard drive is

>>61621611
>And it's not a compromise
The terrible screen and perhaps speakers are a compromise anon

>>61623444
>upcoming X210
Whether or not I get this depends on the screen options

If it's the same 1440x900 TN or 1200x800 IPS options then fuck that

can the x220 boot from mSATA?

>>61623444
Is there really a point of T50 when T70 already exists?

What makes T40 chassis better?

>>61624921
>Screen is still the good old 1400x1050 TN
It's the 15 inch T60 that the T70 uses, so you can use IPS up to even 1600x1200 screens you know

If you did the 14 inch version then you fucked up, aint no IPS for that one

>>61625739
Yes, it's what I boot from, I don't even have a drive in the drive bay

>>61625762
Well fug, I guess I'll lock down my 14" T60 to librebooting then.

How bulky is the T70/15 inch 4:3 T60/T61 compared to a T420?

I'm wanting something with a better screen and can't decide between X62 or T70 or waiting for Thinkpad Retro

>>61625266
If you're American not really

>>61625797
thanks

>>61625799
You can still put the T70 board in the 14 inch version anon

The screen options just aren't as good as the 15 inch version which is why everybody uses the 15 inch version

If you were already cool with the TN screen then you might as well do it

>>61625529
That's pretty neat

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>>61625838
>>61625762
It's a real shame, since the 14 inch form factor is god tier compared to the 15 inch
It's comparable to an X220 but with a taller screen

>>61625838
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ThinkPad-T60-15-Core-Duo-T2400-1-83-GHz-60GB-HD-2GB-Ram-/231504693293?hash=item35e6c1482d:g:2vYAAOSw7aBVAzuA
>100$+52$ shipping
Yeah fuck this. IPS is for watching anime with good colours and nothing else. I see no point on it other than that.

>>61625363
How was the dGPU?
What sort of shit could you run with it?
How bad did it hurt battery life?

>>61625908
That's a ripoff listing. The screen is 1024x768 even.

Otherwise, you're really reaching if you think IPS screens are useless

>>61625908
Blacks on the screen not being fucking different colors between the top of the screen and the bottom
Not making you have to tip the screen up and down constantly to find the right balance
Good colors in ANYTHING, not just watching shit

>>61625295
X200/T400 with libreboot is comfy af senpai

>>61625919
fallout 4. Finished dying light on it and nuka cola dlc for f4.
About 1,5 hour (100 to 5%) with 9cell battery during heavy gayming.

>>61626276
What was the fps like?
Could it run CS GO decently?

>>61621433
lmao kid its a fucking laptop
just because u have a thinkpad museum doesnt make u cool

>>61626292
cs:go was running perfectly at highest settings without AA.
FPS in fallout 4 at around 30, native resolution (1600x900), everything else set to medium

What's the best Thinkpad for the price?

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>installing gentoo
>on my librebooted x60
>not even 64-bit
don't mind me, just falling for all the memes

>>61626303
Huh, the 5400M is beefier than I thought
Apparently it's equivalent to the W520's Quadro 1000M

>>61626353
>installing distro that is not recommended by FSF
Install Ututo XS

>>61626435
>FSF
>Ututo XS
maybe not ALL the memes.

>>61626353
Uh, clean your table. Gross.

>>61622040
>HP
yeah no
Also, forced touchpad garbage

>>61626472
it's a cheap particle board desk that chips badly over time. it's pretty clean, just shitty.

>>61626353
Why not get a Merom 64 bit processor?

>>61623074
Any help plz? Looks a bit like T61

>>61626548
got this one for free on craigslist. i don't really have much use for laptops, so i'm just going to tinker around with this. would definitely prefer 64-bit but i'm not going to spend much money to get one.

>>61626548
X60 cpu is soldered on anon

What cable do I need to upgrade my T430s screen to a 1600x900 Alienware one?

I've got a regular ThinkPad T420 in good condition for $50.
It has 4GB of RAM and some 200GB of internal storage.
Now, what do I add to it to make it more comfy?

>>61626895
msata ssd
16gb ddr3l ram
2x 2tb hdds or ssds if you're rich enough
i7 2720qm processor
alienware 1600x900 screen
japanese layout keyboard and anime stickers if you're a weeaboo

>>61620064
Buying a t430, i5-2.9ghz, nvidia 5400m, 8gb ram.
I work mobile, play mostly old games (newest would be Dark Souls 1). Am I in for a good deal at $230?

>>61626983
Meant i5 2.6-3.2 ghz cpu

Where is the anon that was going to sell me a libreboot t200

>>61627037
>t200

>>61627084
Maybe it was t400

>>61626930
>t420
>msata ssd

>>61627037
>>61627084
>>61627105
>blogging internal monologues on a Vietnamese shrimp fishing forum

>>61627129
all sandy bridge thinkpads can take msata ssd's

>>61627129
nigger i'm posting from my t420 with bothing but an msata 850 evo

>>61626930
Thanks a bunch, I'll look into getting these stuff (aside from the weeaboo keyboard thingy, although I am rocking one of those anime stickers).

>ddr3l
What is the going price for these things to your knowledge? Is buying used worth a shot?

>>61627172
>>>61626930 (You)
>although I am rocking one of those anime stickers
what a weeb

>>ddr3l
>What is the going price for these things to your knowledge?
Same as the typical DDR3 ram sticks, the only difference is 1.35v on ddr3l instead of 1.5v on ddr3.

>Is buying used worth a shot?
It's just ram so why not.

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>>61626930
>2x2tb
As a former t430 owner I strongly do not recommend packing 2x2TB drives inside t420/t430.

>>61627143
>>61627168
you're aware that the msata slot only supports up to 3gbps, right?

Should I get the T410, T520 or the X220? I can get them for roughly the same price.

>>61627260
yes which is a non-issue for a main OS drive unless you need to transfer big files between ssds regularly to fully use the 6gbps bandwidth.

>>61627260
Did you mean 220/220MB/s speeds?
3Gbps will never be achieved by any SSD. It's much lower than that. Same applies to 6Gbps.

>>61626983
its nice
youd have to try pretty hard to find something better

>>61626983
it should be good. Try to contact the seller and make sure it's a 2GB NVS5400m unit

>>61627283
>no ssd will ever be faster than 375MB/s
ok

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>>61627294
>>61627320
Thanks anons. It is 2gb 5400m.

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>>61627256
What monitor? What mouse? looks nice and clean

>>61627323
I'm talking about 3Gbps mode provided by chipset.
It's not 3Gbps, it's actually close to 250MBps. And SSDs in SATA-II mode are limited to this speed.

>>61627340
Take it immediately. It's very rare.
Also it could be either 40nm unit or 28nm shrink. If that's the 28nm then it's the rarest T430 option you can find on the market. It was produced for about 2 months before Lenovo stopped producing this serie.

>>61627370
ok, what exactly are you arguing? I'm saying you shouldn't use the msata slot because it's slower than the sata slot, are you agreeing with me but still being hostile for some reason?

>>61627386
I'm a scrub on CPU knowledge. What does 28 versus 40nm equate to?

>>61627402
Can you read, fellow black man?
I just wrote it's slower than 3Gbps. I also agree mSATA in lelnovo shitbooks should be avoided.

>>61627417
heat.

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The retro will have Kaby Lake and not Coffee Lake

>>61620064
I need info on flashing Libreboot in a T500, bonus if works with other than a raspi or a beaglebone.

>>61627417
28nm generates much less heat and is more overclockable. Also uses less power.

>>61627442
>>61627455
Once I have the laptop how would I discern the 28 or 40 nm build?

>>61627443
That shit is going to have worse specs than a 2017 mbp and cost equally as much.

Lenovo always finds a way to fuck up.

>>61627478
If GPU-z doesn't report it as 28nm then you can take off heatsink, remove thermal compound from GPU die and google-check product number taken from it.

>>61627492
I'll just check gpu-z thanks. I really need to educate myself more on this shit

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posting random thinkpad pics

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>>61627545

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>>61627556

>>61627590
T H I C C

>>61620586
>how is an old T or X series better than a new Thinkpad
Better keyboard, better build quality, better screen if you choose the proper Thinkpad.

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>>61627590
I always loved my x120e. Too bad it wasn't officially sold in my country, so it's extremely rare to get.

>>61621289
I wish I had a gf to spill gin on my thinkpad :/

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>>61627609
first eGPU attempt. PE4L v2.1b + GTX750 + 16GB x230.

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>>61627632
x230 ultrabase modding. SDR module and 8GB recovery USB disk drive.

>>61627632
did it work gud?

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>>61620832
The only premium laptops are Toughbooks, Getacs, Thinkpads, and Apples. Dell and HP are both fucking trash.

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>>61627644
first thinkpad - x61. Loaded with cheap kingston ssd and 1tb drive

>>61627632
for what purpose

Are TN panels really that bad?

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>>61627657
No. x230 has shitty expresscard port which limits full 5Gbps bandwidth to 70%, which is clearly visible in gaymes.
Plus it required a lot of fucking around to make the card detected on each boot, and it was unstable - random BSODs.

but at least SAS controller and LTO4 tape drive was working stable with x230.

>>61620064
On my x220, comfy af.

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>>61627668
gaming?

pic rel, quad core x230

>>61627733
Windows botnet, lol

>>61627733
>1366x768

>>61627320
there was a 2 gb version of the 5400m? amazing.

>>61627256
they loud? or something else?
also arent you the 2570p anon? I recognize that nice monitor and desk

>>61627480
>implying it wasnt going to be ULV anyway
also dont forget the reserve edition

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>>61627745
can't find a pic of my old x220, but I was using it with intel 7260ac card for gayming via steam streaming.

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>>61627448
have you tried google?
like ever?
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/t500_external.html
I thought I was going to have to interpret T400 or X200 instructions
but no its literally the first link
christ anon

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>>61627824
loud, unstable, buggy as fuck firmware. And dangerous to carry around when spinning.
yes, it's me.
2570p+750ti.

>>61627891
Are you implying is not the first thing I did? Instead of getting mad at some question please be helpful and give what I could actually miss, like info to flash with other SBCs.

>>61627878
comfy

when will the T420 and T430 FHD modkit be released? I kinda wanna get myself one of these two for cheap and coreboot it, install a free wifi chip and 16gb of ram, get a quad core i7 and then call it a day but it just can't be finished without a FHD IPS display.

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>>61627928

>>61627928
nice set up
and yeah I guess
didnt know the firmware was weird? like Ive had no problems with mine

>>61627623
its ok for a couple of months but give it ten years and you'll yearn for virgin neet life

>>61628041
wrong person anon you mean this guy >>61627545
no?
also I love that picture and I want to do the same to my car

>>61627933
Im not mad anon
its just its not that hard to read up the document here >>61627891 and apply what read to say something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyxgYnOcsTw
or a similar video where it shows you how to wire a rasp pi to a soic clip and then just change the payload to the T500 libre files

use your head my man

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>>61628075
I'm the same person
also found the x220. Best thing about 7260ac card was that I was able to get rid of this shitty bluetooth module lenovo was packing inside.

>>61628167
isnt the bluetooth module and wifi card different? I mean I think it is on the T430

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>>61628219
it is. But 7260ac has BT4.0 in itself.
T430 never supported 7260ac due to FCC regulations, so you either have to remove BIOS whitelist mechanism or use approved 6205/6300 card and separate bt module from lenovo

>>61628293
oh okay
also I might do that at sometime
if I can get a pomona clip

>>61628293
>>61628329
turns out I can get a soic clip locally in the shithole I live in
neat

also the 7260ac had lower power draw when idle right?

>>61621328
what would you like to sell it for?

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Found an X220 for €200
i5-2520m / 320Gb HDD

Got ripped on RAM on RAM upgrade but still happy enough with it.
Next month:
9-cell battery + Samsung 850 256Gb

Thanks for teaching me about ThinkPads /g/

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retro sneak peak

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>>61628451
to break even this plus shipping to wherever it's going

>>61628536
its a good meme
>>61628567
already posted a thousand times over the last few months

>>61628167
is that 7260ac card much better than the stock wifi card in the x220?

>>61628426
yes, about 2W vs 4W in 6205

>>61628589
>>61628589
Do you use discord?

Is it safe to get the P50 or P51? After necessary upgrades it'll be about 1.8k
Worried about keyboard and build quality

>>61628618
yes, in both power consumption and ange.
aaand it supports ac standard, so you can stream-play gaymes via wifi

I bought a T440p + T450 touchpad as an upgrade from my T420 because I'm sick of the T420 screen with shit colors and viewing angles, also the t420 fhd mod seems very unlikely at this point.

I'm going to regret this, right?

>>61628567
That's stupid

>>61628650
hmm i guess ill pick one up for my x220 and maybe for my x201.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Latitude-E7240-WIFI-Intel-DualBand-Wireless-AC-7260-8TF1D-7260HMW-WLAN-Card-/141690820468?epid=28005718151&hash=item20fd6e5774:g:zl4AAOSwCU1YnRO~ this is the one right?

>>61628589
>>61628634
Or how would you prefer to communicate? I'm interested.

>>61628634
yeah, if there's a /g/ channel i can join it

>>61628752
looks ok

>>61628627
neat

>>61628765
Chink shit general has a discord, meet me in there in #off-topic, just post the original picture of the item or say something relevant so I know it's you

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>>61622340
>T430
>Optical drive you don't need

>not using your optical drive bay for a second HDD

Is it worth it to upgrade my T500's CPU from a P8400 to T9800 for 20$?

I wanted to do a T9900, but I read that heat might become an issue

>>61622170
anon, don't recommend this shit """elitebook""". Don't misrepresent our community.
Get elitebook 840 g2 instead. Almost the same case, dual battery option, 1920x1080 IPS screen, m2+2,5 sata+wwan+wifi slots, dGPU option, up to i7-5600U CPU. This one can be easily recommended, but not this folio trash.

>>61628567
Why not make Le-no-vo the RGB colors instead?

>>61628995
looks tacky in a business environment. and so they could release a retro thinkpad in the future

>>61629012
Better to make Lenovo RGB than making the Thinkpad logo rgb.

>>61629012
>implying this isnt just a shitty cash grab to appeal to people like us

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>>61627545
>listening music about taiwanese interactive pornographic powerpoint presentation character whose tail you must touch because it's fluffy.
Jeesus christ, hide your autism anon.

>>61629406
it's not mine. You stupid anime shitposter

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>install Libreboot
>now I can't dual boot with Windows

What the fuck is this trash?

>>61629676
>installing anything related with mentally ill trannies and expecting it to be good
come on

>>61620064
Is a thinkpad X201 for $90 worthwhile, considering the cost of upgrading the RAM?

>>61620832
>>61620849
I have never heard of this "great on paper" concept in regards to hardware. Acer just has poor build quality and comes apart very easily in the worst way.

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>>61628071
a-a-are you sure?

>tfw no retro thinkpad

what should I do with my g40

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>looking for ThinkPad videos
>find this

Is he, dare I say, /ournigga/?

Should I buy a T470 or can I get something better for around the same price?

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>>61620064
I just installed a custom bios on my x220 /g/. No longer whitelist cucked.

https://youtu.be/CbD9M47nnRk

Gonna get a 3g modem mpcie card with Linux support, next.

>>61620064
i have x230t, am i in club?

i bought a t530 a couple months ago and now its giving me a battery may need to be replaced soon warning. is this of concern? a bug or something else, running on windows 7

>>61632596

Use BatteryBar to check the actual wear on the battery itself:

http://osirisdevelopment.com/BatteryBar/download.html

If it's 40% or less (meaning the battery has 60%+ wear on it) then yes, it's time for a new battery, anything between 40-60% is useful for a while longer.

The T530 has been out for a while, if it's been used frequently in its lifetime and it's the factory battery then yeah, you might want to get a new one soon and then keep that original one as an emergency backup one since it's still useful to some lesser degrees.

I've never used anything but desktops and now I'm in the market for a laptop but it's so depressing. $1200+ for anything powerful with an SSD. Budget gaming laptops are $800+ but equate to a low end desktop gaming PC's. And apparently mobile graphic cards have loads of issues with games?
I just want something that'll handle 2005 era games to keep sane while I'm away from home for a year. I thought the X220 with upgrades would be neato because I need portability but the integrated graphics because it's a workstation is disappointing...and I think an external GPU setup would be pushing it.

>Model t440p
>2.6 ghz i5
>8 gb ram
>256 solid state drive
>$175 on craigslist
Decent deal? I asked him if it had the BIOS lock on it or not but no reply yet.

>>61633720

Wow, yes that's a remarkable deal, probably stolen to be honest considering the actual price but whatever.

Grab it fast, like, right now if you can and run with it, literally.

>>61633340

Any Dell Latitude in the E6x00 series with an Nvidia Quadro NVS would handle 2005-era games like fucking crazy with everything maxed out graphics wise and not even blink over it.

While I do love ThinkPads, I just won't buy them anymore because of Lenovo ruining them, and I've owned a few HP Elitebooks and liked them but they're just not Latitudes which I've used for the better part of a decade now and they are the best laptops I've ever owned and worked with, period.

There are tons of options out there nowadays, a $1200+ budget is crazy unless you intend to buy something brand new on the market now, if you're in the used market then you're going to save up to $1000 getting something, or even multiple somethings if you're so inclined.

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Finally got around to installing the X220 keyboard on my X230. Feels good man.

I have finally gotten my T60 just how I like it. Max ram, 4:3 IPS, and a new bay battery which I am running in now.

Pretty comfy and it's still just fine for what I intend to do, I have a heavy lifter upstairs which I can always use.

Feels awfully good lads.

>>61633978
Latitudes are trash though.

>>61634121

Nicely done, got any more pics? Any issues with the new keyboard in place, everything works as it should?

>>61634240

>Latitudes are trash though.

Uhmmm, no.

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>>61634259
Nothing like a proper Thinkpad.

Anything with touch input and backlit keyboard besides the x230t? Want to get something for my mother. I have one personally and I like it, just seeing if there is anything else.

Do all t420's have built in webcams?

>>61622040
if the screen wasn't so dogshit, yeah

>>61622589
2570p 8470p have really bad screens and no backlit keyboard, otherwise they are perfect

>>61623074
t61 or t400

>>61627609
I have one.
It's shit.

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>>61634245
Pretty much everything works as it should, I followed the guide on Thinkwiki and covered up the proper pins with electrical tape and such. I haven't bothered flashing the new firmware as all the keys work as they need to so far.

Does anyone play games on their X230? I'm looking for a game I can play on the plane. Preferably one that uses an Xbox 360 controller because the table trays are too small for a mouse. I'm thinking New Vegas on all low settings might be possible?

>>61635824
I play games on occasion on it, New Vegas should run fine, games run decently on my X230 if I run it in high power mode.

>>61635133
>2570p 8470p have really bad screens
lie

In the market for a new machine. Try to talk me out of the x270 /g/

Looks comfy as fuck. About the pull the trigger.

What to buy: T420 or T520?

>>61635824
New vegas runs fine on my T430 with the 3320m

>>61637117
t520
better screen, full hd option.

>>61637098
My only gripe is no thunderbolt and single slot ram
Other than that make sure you get the 1080p screen and 72wh extended battery

>>61620064
New thread:

>>61637334

>>61637334

>>61637334

>>61636694
1366x768 or 1600x900 ones?

The 1600x900 on 8470p always comes with the dedicated GPU? Will I have troubles on Linux with that shit?

>>61637224

I don't need or want Thunderbolt.

Single slot RAM is a bit shit I know, but I can deal.

1080p and 72wh is already on the order ;-)

>>61637359
Sounds solid af man
I once saw someone here saying they used their T470 with the same 72 wh battery for 5 days with 6 hours of usage per day on linux
So enjoy your 20+ hours of battery

>>61632108
He might be /ournigga/, but Luke Smith is /ourguy/

>>61638443
I don't know man I don't believe in this our something shit
Just bee you'reself