fuck data caps

>>61583481
Find a place with a local ISP that aren't jews and go live there.

>>61583503
There's hardly any place left in the US that doesn't have data caps.
The ones that don't have shitty speeds.

>>61583534
I live in rural SC with a local ISP (home telecom) that runs fiber to the home that gives 50mbps for $65 and gigabit for $150 with no cap, even after using several terabytes a month, no throttling

I have unlimited usage with Rogers Ignite 100u here in Canada for about 70 Queen Elizabeths a month and I'm sorry for you guys

just switch to another ISP op it's not hard

>>61583481
As far as the big cable companies go, Cox is probably the best. My 150 Mbps plan gives a 1 TB monthly cap; I've never come close to hitting it, but I have friends who have, and they never had any issues and also weren't charged anything beyond their normal monthly rate.

>>61583638
people like you are the reason they will add a cap in the future.

fuck you

only option at my apartment is century link, $55 for 10mbs. its retarded, i just use a hotspot from verizon.

>>61583768
did you vote for donald trump

>>61583794
i was overseas at the time and forgot to mail in my ballot, i didnt vote.

I pay comcast $60 a month for 180mbps download and 16 upload with no data cap

That's hilarious, I remember my 3rd world shithole used to have data caps like 15 years ago. Murrica definitely on top lmao

>>61583481
>Cox
The name tells everything.

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>>61583481
>choosing any ISP that starts with the letter c

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>>61583534
I have 1gbps with Verizon for $70 a month and no data cap.

I have 4 heavy internet users in the house, and just myself have used 1.6TB over the last 30 days.

Isn't Cox a family owned ISP? Can't believe they jew their customers so hard, I have optimum and there's no data cap.

>>61583976
How do they measure your wifi usage? Do they give you a router? Are you billed monthly for it? It's probably cheaper to just buy your own

>>61583986
Cox is privately owned. They don't really jew their customers much at all, and for years they've fought the RIAA and MPAA to not turn over IP address contact info.

I don't like caps, but their caps are so high (like 1TB/month) that they're basically not real limitations.

>>61583481
Im seriously paying like $200 per month at this point for internet now that comcast is making me pay $50 extra for the 'unlimited' plan
I'd fucking be happy with centurylink's 20 or 40mbps for like $50 total at this point
But apparently they only have 1.5mbps at my apartment even though they fucking sent me an ad for the faster options
At least cell carriers had a legitimate reason to implement data restrictions, not to mention theyve been easing them now that their networks can support heavier usage
Fucking unregulated utilities though

Mate at least you have any internet. In australia our new nationalised internet is such a god damn fuck up that they will decide your suburb no longer gets any internet, and then start a 4 month process of sending indians out to people's houses to slowly connect them all back up to the new network. I've been without a home connection for 2 months myself. I don't even live rural I live near the city.

I remember when Comcast data caps first rolled out in California last December. They injected a fucking notice into my browser telling me 'I had used X% of my data' and the billing rates per amount of data I used in excess. I thought it was an advert and closed it immediately without reading it. Then it popped up a few days later when I was browsing /g/ and I made a thread like 'lol guys Comcast is trying to advertise on /g/ now.' Never dreamed that they would actually try to jew me into having a paltry 1TB cap, I blew through that in a week. I legitimately thought that the concept of 'data caps' was just a meme like the 'no singles policy' on /tv/.

Fortunately here in Seattle we have Cascadelink, nice local fibre company. Can't wait for Comcast to die a horrible death.

>>61583976
You're a unicorn. I live in a major tech city, just blocks from a main Google office, and gigabit costs $300/month here. No data caps though

>>61583481
I switched to CenturyLink unlimited data no caps. 35$ a month. And i rarely have any issues at all. There is no excuse.

One important note is buy your own modem/wifi combo in one and do not ever settle for the default modem as that one is pure ass.

>>61583534
>CenturyLink shitty speeds
At least they are stable speeds, cable has always fluctuated a lot.

>>61583768
>55$
>10mbs

Someone went with the default modem and not the WiFi and Modem combo. If you did you would have 15-20mbs and it would be stable.

>>61583825
same. oregon?

Holy shit internet plans in the US are trash it's sad. In France, there is no data cap and most plans are between 30-60€ (~40-75$). Feels nice to be a frog sometimes

>Live in New Zealand
>had 10GB data caps where you pay 10 dollars a gigabyte if you go over as little as five years ago
>they finally get their shit together and offer unlimited internet
>see Americans only now whining about their humungous data caps
loving every laugh

>>61584686
They don't even have an excuse either because they're at ground zero as far as the internet is concerned. It's literally just corporate greed

>tfw you pay $80 per month for 90mbps down 10mbps up with 1tb cap

>>61584612
The fuck?
Im in oregon and have to pay $50 to get rid of the data cap

>>61583638
I give it 3 years before one of the larger ISPs buy it out and shit up the service just so that people can't point to it and say "See, they can run fiber to rural homes and still make profit!"

wow my government mai be shit but the internet is dirt cheap here in bulgaria. about 9$ for 35mbps with no data caps, feels good

>>61584931
That's probably still more than its worth. Stuff doesn't get priced at what it's worth, it gets priced at what people will pay, and this is an extreme case because the bandwidth is worth less than water. Have to take the good and the bad with capitalism I guess. Thanks for ending starvation in the civilised world though, I guess that was worth it.

>>61583762
People like you are the reason that ISPs know they can get away with caps. You're the kind of person who thinks someone shouldn't use as much data as they want to. An ISP should have the infrastructure to support all of their customers using the speeds they pay for at the same time.

>>61584612
>>61584884
I have the same question? How do you not have to pay extra to get rid of the cap, I'm also on comcast in oregon.

>>61584964
i dunno bro, its still cheap compared to everywhere else. and its sufficient to torrent with 5mb/s+, while regular download are still up toba couple mb/s

>>61583481
>laughs in unlimited LTE for 25$ from Poland

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>>61583481
I live on a fucking south american shithole and not even I have to put up with data caps lmao

Balkans here
I pay $20 for unlimited internet.

>>61585855
>unlimited internet over LTE
>Poland
no such thing exist, enjoy your "fair usage policy".

I recently switched to Comcast. part of the 3 year contract is 1gps download speeds and unlimited data.

I'm hoping google fiber is in my area by then, since its currently 'under construction'. $70 month, no cap, 1gps up, 1gps down.

God damn I cannot fucking wait to get real internet.

>>61585952
Idk man, if I can seed 1TB within a month without repercussions, it's unlimited enough to me.

>>61585993
which ISP?

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>tfw my area only has one ISP
>that ISP is a literal jew
>I need to pay 2 times more money to get the same quality from other ISPs
I've been requesting other ISPs to coverage my area but now it's still null.

>>61584982
people like you are the reason they will add a cap in the future.

fuck you

>>61586003
T-Mobile. Don't really ask me how this happened, my parents are their customers for quite some time already, but I suspect that they still had to fight for it.

>>61583821
Reddit called, they wanted me to tell you that you are the scum of the earth and the reason the world is going to end. They also say they support your decision to travel abroad and, despite never leaving their home town, think that people who don't travel abroad are cancer.

>having any data caps on any network especially cable to your home
Fucking 3rd world countries
Even most African nations have no data caps

>>61586046
Thanks, I'll look into this.

>>61583481
>I also have cox ultimate yet have the same cap as lower speed plans and it's bullshit
>CenturyLink just removed their caps but their service reliability is trash

>>61583481
>he's lives outside Vegas where Cox has no caps
Hahahaha

>>61586075
most african nations have no data

>>61586117
Most cities do
And thanks to the chinks many areas are now covered with 3g usually without caps

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>tfw Norwegian
>tfw blazing fast fiber and no caps

Working as IT for Comcast only made me realize how Jewish these companies really are

People believe if you use 500 gb of speed in a week it affects us when in reality we never feel it and never will

Caps are there to get more money plain and simple and people aren't even fighting back they just take it

>>61584931
that's shit price, son.
move to romania

>>61586134
we literally can't do anything more than writing our representatives
>implying they represent us

>national cable company dislikes fiber to the home
>literally buys up all fiber companies and fucking drives them into the ground
Jewing never ends

>>61584931

Isn't that a months salary over there?

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>>61583481
*blocks your path*

>>61586149
Denmark?

>>61583481
Move to Vegas
Cox has cheap internet deals and if you watch television the best tv + internet deal in the city for $100(basic cable plus ultra 300mbps

And no caps

>>61586187
Netherlands

>>61583534
What about places with Google Fiber?

>>61586204
The nearest Google Fiber location is 45 minutes away.

>>61586043
Not an argument

>>61586213
> The nearest Google Fiber location is 45 minutes away.
> i'd rather live anywhere other than fucking here.
You don't even have to move across the ocean, it's just 45 minutes away.

>>61586215
people like you are the reason they will add a cap in the future.

fuck you

>>61586134
>people aren't even fighting back they just take it
They are, it's just that these ISP's are so huge it's near impossible. Google tried, and they were successful in forcing them to finally roll out with fiber plans, but Google's expansion has ended due to the huge amount of bullshit these companies have.

If you want to take down Comcast, you have to take down everyone Comcast has their hands in, which includes TimeWarner,AT&T, Cox, even the fucking FCC.

It would literally require a miracle to cure cancer this late in the game.

>>61586200
I'm sorry to hear that, basically the same thing happened over here.
National cable company bought out all the fiber networks and has no plans to expand it further.
At least we have pretty fast cable in Denmark, but this shit still pisses me off.

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>tfw I pay €25 per month for unlimited internet and phone usage

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haa. you guys are a bunch of faggots.

>>61584931
on 50mbps unlimited for 7 $ now, get rekt batka

>>61583534
I live in the Bay Area and get 60mbs down with no datacaps for like $70 a month.

>>61586268
Don't you guys have anti-trust/monopoly laws or anything?

>>61587284
Yeah, but it's not technically a monopoly so long as they allow smaller ISPs to rent their way in on the network.

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>Be American
>Get datacapped

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tfw even the slowest most shitty ISPS in the netherlands don't do data capping since it's bullshit as fuck and people just don't fall for that bullshit here

Why are Americans so cucked by their corporations? You live in a democracy, there is zero reason why you should allow this to happen

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Europe doesn't have this problem

>>61586132
As a fellow Norwegian, our internet is expensive as fuck (compared to other countries).

>>61583481
Data caps? Is this 2005?

Not even British people have to deal with this and they have some of the worst internet in the developed world

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>>61587565
> some of the worst internet in the developed world
looks fine to me

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>>61587565
Yes they do. I got this email earlier today.

>>61587582
Virgin Media are only available in some parts of the country and their performance varies dramatically. There's good reasons I don't use them despite it being available at my address.

>>61587541
I'm in the UK and I do.

>>61587582
You're in a small minority in the country by having access to speeds like that, and 100mbps isn't even fast when compared to other European countries. Not to mention you probably pay several times more for that than a continental does for much higher speeds. Most people in the UK are still stuck on 8-20mbps broadband. If you're lucky you can get a shitty fibre to the cabinet setup which is almost always vastly oversubscribed and won't give you much more than broadband speeds. I signed up for fibre the moment it became available and I was getting 80 down/20 up (maximum possible speeds), now it's oversubscribed as hell and I never get much more than 25 down/5 up

>>61587619
What shitty ISP is that? Why aren't you using a normal ISP like BT?

European here. Why the fuck you guys don't build your own networks? It's not hard. There are local networks all over the Germany, some are even based on Cjdns. Here in Ukraine every Internet provider in every city is literally based on a bunch of bought-out local networks and everything is blazing fast and cheap as fuck.
Your providers suck and this will never change. Forget them and move on. Fiber is cheap, wireless links are fast, everything is possible.

>>61587619
>Virgin Media are only available in some parts of the country and their performance varies dramatically
so you're complaining about internet options in rural england? do you know what the internet is like in rural america?

>I'm in the UK and I do.
you choose to have this problem. you are complaining about a problem you have chosen to have

>>61587629

Andrews and Arnold, and to be honest they're an excellent ISP, provided that data caps aren't an issue for you.

Static IPv4 / a whole /48 of IPv6, support that's available via IRC and WoW, no throttling, no logging / monitoring hardware, no filtering.

Basically they have caps, which sucks, but if you don't mind that they are genuinely an excellent ISP.

>>61587641
I'm not in rural England. I used them before, they were mostly good, when it worked, but the speeds fluctuated dramatically and at one point it went down for over 2 weeks before they fixed it because their engineers are retards. As a whole they're alright but their peering to other networks is pretty poor and their support might as well not exist. Also no IPv6.

>>61587629
>You're in a small minority in the country by having access to speeds like that
speeds are the same in pretty much every southern city. i've had 100 down in brighton, bournemouth, surrey, and london. i'm pretty sure cities up north get good speeds too. I feel like you probably live in some tiny little toothy yorkshire town where the whole village is running out of the same cabinet

>>61587666
I live in a southeast town with 100k+ people and don't have Virgin. Their coverage is ass.

>>61587658
where do you live

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>>61587619
>I'm in the UK and I do.
No true European country has this problem. You guys are pretty much worse than the US, can't even watch something as """"brutal"""" as squirt porn. And it's probably gonna get even worse after leaving the EU, enjoy giving shady porn sites your credit card.

>>61587687
you act as if /g/ has never heard of a VPN

>>61587666
>haha just live in a city bro :)
The UK is such a small country that where you live should simply not matter at all, and it wouldn't if BT or the Government gave a fuck.

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>>61587705
>needs a VPN to access normie porn

>>61587722
>doesn't use a vpn regularly

>>61587722
I don't, nothing ever actually comes out of any of those "porn bans". It's just conservative moralfagging that never goes anywhere, I certainly haven't been stopped from watching anything and I'm fully integrated into the botnet.

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>>61584252
I'm feeling you, bro. Nearly every suburb near us is NBN yet our is planned to get it next year (Not to long) and it's been making it shiter and shiter. The suburb in front is getting the digging and our internet was from 4/1 now it's 0.5/0.2

>>61587636
>European here. Why the fuck you guys don't build your own networks? It's not hard
You're not allowed to

>>61587750
But why?

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>>61587708
Based JC will save us from Tory luddites

>>61587761
Because large isp corporations basically lobbied in the local governments in towns and counties to effectively restrict who can make a new network. Since the isp owns the telephone lines they effectively can charge you what ever they want and get away with it. So not only are you not allowed to but even if you could they purposely make it so you can't compete against them.

This leads to about 90% of the geographic area of the US not having any choice in what isp they can have

Its probably a good thing. People are more productive when they dont have access to unlimited movies and porn.

>>61587761
Because Americans are cucked and vote for people who fuck them over.

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>>61584000
It's measure directly on their end, but it's a soft data cap of 10TB, so unless you go over that, you'll never hear a word about it from Verizon.

And while they do provide their own router (3x3 AC1900), you can use whatever router you want.

>>61587737
No need really. Encryption isn't illegal here and you aren't personally responsible for your network, might as well have been the neighbors. No one really gives a shit about torrenting either, think only a few have been convicted since 2005. Those who have been convicted haven't been it for foreign movies either, especially anime which is by far the most of what I download I don't think they give a fuck about.

>>61587743
Hope it stays that way for your sake then, but it's a problem that people have the "meh, I can just circumvent it" attitude for restrictions of your freedom.

>>61587750
because unlike fallen communist governments, there is such a thing as laws for cable deployment and selling services.

the only reason local lan networks were possible in eastern europe was that there was no communication regulatory organism and that the telephone state business simply couldn't handle a technology unknown to them.

>>61587817
It'll probably be harder to stop these laws in the future as the EU courts were usually very quick to shoot down stuff like this, but things like encryption being illegal will never happen because it is just not technically feasible to do, it would kill the British digital economy. The Government just needs to point the finger at something for terrorist attacks and it certainly isn't going to be Muslims. The age verification thing will probably die too as it's impossible to get a system set up that will catch every porn site. They tried to ban torrent sites and basically nothing except the main tpb domain got filtered, it didn't do anything. The tories kick up a fuss about porn all the time because they're old moralfags, don't forget that hardcore porn was banned in the UK until 1999 (and was only legalised because they couldn't stop all the porn coming in from Europe with the free trade shit). The British are a very conservative people, it's only really in the last couple of generations that the attitude has changed.

>>61587824
In my city(and many others cities in Sweden) the local government built a high speed city network where you can buy up to D1000/U1000 Mb/s from like 10 different ISPs.

>>61587874
Encryption (I meant of your personal hard drives btw, don't know if I made that clear) is, while not illegal, at least made useless since you will get years in prison if you don't tell your password.

>>61587884
Fucking commies.

>>61583794
can't believe ending net neutrality created an information supernova that turned internet plans of the past into shit

>>61587884
Jamal needs gigabit to Skype with his al Shabab pals in Mogadishu

>>61587918
There's been cases in America where people have been held indefinitely for not surrendering encryption keys. Your rights in this area don't matter anywhere.

>>61587874
>but things like encryption being illegal will never happen because it is just not technically feasible to do, it would kill the British digital economy


Encryption was illegal in france up until the late 90's unless you had a permit.
People writing laws don't know shit, that' why they demand backdoors in everything.


>The age verification thing will probably die too as it's impossible to get a system set up that will catch every porn site

The internet filter thing is about esoteria and dissenting opinions than actual porn.
They could get every normie porn site pretty easily. Just make it a requirement in order to do business in the country.

No ads, or credit card payments unless you comply.

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>>61583481
Americucks never fail to make me laugh.
Imagine having to worry about downloading too much a month, ridiculous.

>>61587975
To day I learned that Mogadishu have better internet than the US.

>>61587824
>there is such a thing as laws for cable deployment and selling services.

Wouldn't that depend on where you're deploying the cable?
Here, there's some laws about open access to infrastructure, but a lot of companies either lay their own or use line of sight if there isn't anything already there.


You can't believe the stats for internet speeds here though, as about 1/3 people live in one "city".

>>61588079
>Encryption was illegal in france up until the late 90's unless you had a permit.
It's almost like the internet has changed so much that it would be impossible to enforce such a law.

>The internet filter thing is about esoteria and dissenting opinions than actual porn.
No it's not, if you knew anything about British politics you'd know porn is just a hot topic here and they are always trying to ban/restrict it. Hence why it was only legalised less than 20 years ago and only because the internet/free trade with Europe made it impossible to stop.

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>>61584546
The north east of the U.S. has great internet. Boston all the way down past Washington DC. Every major city and it's suburbs inbetween these two points has access to fiber, or at least somewhat decent DOCSIS alternatives.

>>61588111
>if you knew anything about British politics you'd know porn is just a hot topic here and they are always trying to ban/restrict it

That'd explain why the third page of your news papers looked so different in 1996. (fun fact: the daily mail and daily mirror are still illegal in ireland)

>It's almost like the internet has changed so much that it would be impossible to enforce such a law.
How would it be impossible? I'm not saying they can beat your open source encryption, I'm just saying any person or company in the country could be compelled to weaken or backdoor their encryption.


e.g. facebook wants to keep operating in the UK, they need to give the police x.509 certs for MITM attacks.

>>61583481
>set share ratio on your torrent client to 2.0 or whatever is reasonable
>move on with your life

>>61588066
Live in Sweden, we don't have such laws(yet).
There have been cases were people have refused to give up their passwords and haven't been convicted for that. There was one case with someone called Skelettkvinnan(the skeleton woman), who was a necrophile and refused to give out her password to disks encrypted with Truecrypt, the police didn't succeed in decrypting them. She didn't get convicted for that, there also was a case with a pedophile who also didn't give up his keys and didn't get convicted for it.
Sweden might be "cucked" in lots of questions, but in our internet/data privacy we have it pretty decent.

>>61588171
Companies like Facebook already have global backdoors for intelligence agencies anyway. The problem is you would not be able to get corporations to put backdoors in encryption they use for internal communications etc, they would just leave the country if they weren't allowed to use secure channels of communication in the UK.

>>61586036

this is why >muh free market needs to end. It's a great idea, but if there's no company there to compete it all falls apart. I agree that there should be minimal regulation, but you can't let telecom companies/ISPs just carve areas up among themselves so they can get a monopoly

>>61583481
>i'd rather live anywhere other than fucking here.

FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING PIECE OF FUCKING SPOILED SHIT

Let me tell how living somewhere else looks likegf sdjklahkfjsdahfhasdkjkfasdhkk

you dont even deserve a response i just wish you my life to see how good it is

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>tfw 1 mb/s is 0.1 cents/mo
>100mbs/10 euros
>No caps and mobile 2mb/s is free on it

>>61588221
This, even massive gigacorporations like Google have a hard time trying to get into the ISP market because the ISPs do such a good job of stopping any competition from developing.

>>61587884
you're not "communist"

look, what i mean, when the iron curtain fell, there was no fucking internet infrastructures and the only computers were sinclair clones.

everyone built local networks and it was out of the handle of the government

fuck you with your nigger cuck country

>>61588258

>doesn't deserve a response
>responds anyways

Really activates the ol' cortex doesn't it

>>61583481
>data recieved
>this month
>1.4 TB
feels good to have no caps

>>61583481
Got the same. All companies have a Data cap in there contract clause but some don't implement it. Try checking if their competitors inact data capping. Also buying higher speeds equals higher cap.
Atleast for me they just slow my 150kb/s speed to 32kb/s. Though don't feed these money hungry jews

>>61588109
if it's in your property, a cable is fine

once it crosses another private property or government owned streets/public space, you need a permit from one of those two.

also if you want to bury that cable across distance or build posts for it, you need local town authorization and a construction license


btw originally i wanted to quote >>61587636
not >>61587750

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>>61588258
Don't worry, there isn't going to be a first world to envy in a couple decades

1tb is just way too low in 2017. If it's just one person okay maybe. I am a very very heavy user, I live on my desktop, wake up get on pc and dont get off until bed, and I use like 700gb a month. But I have a couple normie housemates and the two of them together use another 400gb on god knows what.
What if you have a whole house of happy normies watching fucking 4k youtube all day or whatever they do, 4k facebook.
at least 1.5tb with $15/500gb after that.

What's a good data service in Tennessee?

>>61588341
Depends where you are. Chattanooga has had 1gbps fiber since 2010. Other areas now have access to Comcast 1gbps DOCSIS.

>>61588392
Do either of those have caps?

>>61588402
Comcast waives the data cap if you sign up for a 3 year contract. Otherwise it's still 1tb a month.

Fiber providers simply don't have data caps in this country to my knowledge.

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>mfw I pay £13 a month for unlimited mobile data with no caps or bandwidth restrictions.
Get mad burgers

>>61583481
>cocks browser
holy shit

>>61587750
>>61587824
If laws inhibit the development of your country - why keep them? What are you going to do, stick to ADSL and wait until Your Benefactors allow you to use a better technology that the whole world is using? I can't believe that people who said "fuck you" to the biggest empire of that time became such cucks.

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>>61583481
yeah, i hardly can live with 17gb of data per month
and they want 17€ for that as well!!! WTF

>>61588589
>mobile data
Why would I want shitty wireless ping? Even if it's decent bandwidth and unlimited data use. Its still shitty wireless.

>>61588785
Latency on 4G is low as hell, unless you're a Le Hardcore Gamer you wouldn't even notice.

>>61588851
What do you consider low? I've been using dedicated FTTP for the past decade. I'm used to my ping in most online games to be 5-20ms at most.
In counter strike official servers 10ms long is rare, it's below that 90% of the time.

Further, ping in general affects even general web browsing. Who wants 20-40ms+ added on to EVERYTHING they do?

Sure it's fine for occasional web browsing, but if you've got a hardwired alternative with half or 1/4 of the ping, I'll be using that.

>>61588935
>10ms long is rare
*10ms ping is rare

>>61588935
Sure, if you have the lower ping alternative you take it, but if I could have 20-40ms ping with 4G speeds vs my shitty broadband connection with 10ms ping, you can bet I'm taking 4G every time.

>>61583481
I didn't even know we had data caps, what the fuck

fuck Cox

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>>61588086
this, merrycucks have worse internet than 3rd world contries & will then drink the coolaid and defend their isp's rights against government regulations because they are this easy to manipulate

>>61588957
See for me I have 1gbps fiber, or LTE with 2 bars that barely manages 5mbps with 60-150ms pings.

I can't even imagine a situation where my phone would be faster or better than my home connection

>>61587814
Jesus. I'm jelly.

>>61589056
It's nice to have that's for sure. Especially when torrenting. I can be downloading at 700mbps+ and other people can still comfortably steam 4k Netflix or similar.

>>61589014
That's nice but for a lot of people the only fixed line options are shitty broadband. On 4G I get almost twice as fast download speeds and 3x as fast upload speeds, with only a 10ms increase in ping (15ms->25ms) so it's a no-brainer really.

>>61588973
Might depend on region. That's how Comcast does it. No data caps in my area for Comcast but most of the country has a 1tb monthly cap with them.

>>61588334
This is somehow comforting. Thank you anon.

>Moving to a new apartment this weekend
>Contact Cox and get Internet set up
>See this thread
Fuck
But fuck if I'm going to use AT&T

>>61587814
What happens if you go over 10TB?
I'm in the UK and I get a 200Mb connection with no caps for £35 a month. If I could pay more for a faster connection I probably wouldn't bother desu, I can torrent a movie in under a minute, I don't really feel the need for it to be any faster. The only issue here seems to be that upload speeds are crippled by comparison, I'm not really sure why though.

>>61589149
If you go over 10TB once nothing happens. If you start going over regularly then you get a written warning that if it continues you'll be automatically transferred to a business class account with the associated business class pricing (about 3-4x the monthly cost).

>>61589143
See
>>61589114
They might have a cap in your area but they might not. Check online to find out

American ISPs are a joke. Why?

>>61589379
Because we're just a large as Europe but with half the population.

Infrastructure costs money, unless you live in or around a major city, it's unlikely you'll have decent internet. While some rural areas have gotten lucky, most simply can't afford the capital investment required for decent internet.

It's one of the reasons I refuse to move anywhere more rural than where I currently live. $70/month 1gbps fiber simply isn't available everywhere and I'll never willingly give it up.

>>61589471
The age of large scale infrastructure projects being effective in the west is over. The unions won now nothing is affordable. It's going to turn into some 40k shit where all the sewers, roads, pipes and cables are some sacred heirlooms barely maintained and passed down through the ages

>>61588220
>The problem is you would not be able to get corporations to put backdoors in encryption they use for internal communications etc, they would just leave the country if they weren't allowed to use secure channels of communication in the UK.


What france did was to go after vendors.
So, dell, microsoft, etc... would have backdoored/altered products.


Realistically, they would operate somewhere else if this was done, and they got fined for using illegal encryption.
But that doesn't mean it can't be made a law.

>>61589541
My ISP is investing heavily (again) in to fiber, they recently bought several thousand km of fiber cabling. So not everywhere in the US. But yea overall you're not wrong.

>>61589471
The large country excuse works for things like cross-country rail links etc, but it doesn't apply when you start talking about internet. Internet infrastructure is a state-level project so the size of the country as a whole does not come into it. Your country's infrastructure is a joke all around, don't make excuses for it. Go vote for someone who actually wants to change it.

>>61589678
Are you retarded?

What is population density?

We have fiber backhaul across the country. The issue is connecting the middle of Minnesota when you've got 5 people living in a 30 mile area. You end up sounding $100,000+ connecting 5 houses of which only 3 sign up for service at $50 a month.

When do you think they'll make that investment back?


It's retarded to pretend the size of the country doesn't matter when we are talking about laying thousands of miles of fiber.

>>61589727
>You end up sounding $100,000+
*you end up spending $100,000+

>>61589727
>wahh where is the profit
This is why you'll never get good infrastructure for anyone outside of the giga cities. The government should finance infrastructure projects for the good of its citizens without worrying about whether or not they'll turn a "profit" on it.

>the big isps are being meanies again and blocking Google Fiber from basically everywhere
we're never going to get gigabit, are we.

>>61583762
terabytes of downloads cost the ISP jews pennies.

the only reason they get away with this is because of jewish ISP regulations that force competitors out.

>tfw no data cap but only 3Mb down 0.75 up

>>61589768
You'd be looking at literally trillions in investment and our country doesn't even want to invest in universal healthcare despite the obvious monetary savings we'd see as a country. You REALLY think you'll ever see a government willing to invest THAT heavily into fiber infrastructure? It's nice sentiment but realistically it'll never happen.

>>61589844
Look up the Australian NBN if you want to see that exact scenario get fucked right up

Is this real? Is America really this backwards?

>>61589844
>You'd be looking at literally trillions in investment
More like tens of billions, and even then only because of your government's weird thing of choosing the contractors that charge the most instead of actually looking to lower costs.

>>61589903
10 different levels of management would all have to skim off the top and if questioned the excuse is "that's just business". This is how Americans turn a billion dollar job into a trillion dollar job.

>>61589903
Verizon FiOS has already invested about $60B into fiber in just the north east of the US from Boston to Washington DC, and they still don't have every house hooked up. You're mentally handicapped if you think it'll be under $500B just for basic fiber infrastructure nationwide.

>>61589926
And you know, paying people to dig and lay the fiber lines, people to set up OLT cabinets and then more people for actual residential installations installing ONTs, more people for strategic planning and engineering to make sure you're putting your fiber where it makes sense to put it. Etc etc. Now you've also got to buy the actual equipment, pay people to handle the equipment, make sure it gets deployed to the proper job site, etc.

Pretend all you want that it'd be simple and cheap. But the reality is if it were really that easy it'd be done already

>>61586052
ive got no idea what youre trying to say there. i was overseas for work and mailing it in was on the backburner until it was too late.
>>61584596
i dont have them. literally the next sentance says i just use a hotspot for internet. when i called them they only offered me a modem for $15 extra a month or said i could use my own. what are you on about?

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>>61589938
Recent European estimates for hooking up FTTP across the entire EU amounts to only 156€ billion. I don't know how the fuck Americans make public projects cost so much.

>>61590094
And of course, the cost is significantly lower if you only want basic fibre infrastructure in the form of FTTC

>>61590094
Pretty sure Goldman Sachs estimated just major cities would be about $150B investment.

The amount of rural dwellings in the US would inflate that cost 2-3x though. The US is getting fiber to most larger cities, the rural towns are going to be fucked though.

>>61590195
Australia is like a tenth as dense as the US, here's our current fibre map. But like I complained earlier just because you're in a "good" area doesn't mean you're going to get a connection in less than several months

http://nbnmtm.australiaeast.cloudapp.azure.com/

>>61588161
I'm in one of those cities, and my point stands

>>61590268
That map looks nice but we all know most Australians get anally fucked on internet speeds.

Further you don't have enough undersea cable bandwidth to really support much international web access, you rely on local hosting of services and if the service can't afford local Australian hosting it's basically unusable to Australians

>>61590283
Which city?

>>61583481

>data cap
>2017

Burgers are hilarious!

>>61590316
It is actually really good, and the minority of people who have managed to get a connection are pretty happy, but the heinous part is that they fucking turn off your internet as soon as they decide your area is "NBN ready" and you just have to make do with phone internet until they decide to hook you up. It's "meant" be a couple days wait but it's actually weeks, if not months. They contract it out to the cheapest labour they can find and they often ignore you if they think the job is too hard or something, and they basically have millions of jobs to choose from so why bother?

>>61583481
ITT Burgerland issues.

>>61588973
they remove the caps if you pay more for the tv/phone bundle

>>61590369

>They contract it out to the cheapest labour they can find and they often ignore you if they think the job is too hard or something

Well at least fibre to the curb won't have to deal with this.

>>61590369
First they fuck up FTTP with shitty FTTC, now they fuck up the actual installation too?

Fuck sake Australia, get your shit together you're embarrassing the rest of the white world.

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>unlimited 300mb/s no datacap at home, with fiber to the house
>unlimited mobile data/calls/texts +30GB of mobile hotspot

really sucks desu i hope we get better internet in the uk

really sucks

>>61590447
1gbps+ when?

>>61589895
Yes.
We have shitty health and internet. It's not a secret.

>>61590397
>pay us more money and we'll magically make what you pay for a little less shitty
oh wow what a value

>>61583672
Leaf all that babble maple talk I can't understand this retard laungauge please fuck off.

>it's another US and UK do damage control thread

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>>61583703
>switch to the only other ISP, provided it doesn't also have a data cap and provides the same speed and quality of service
fixed that for you

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>>61583481
ITT: Burgers become suicidal after they realize they've been practically living in a second-world ex-Soviet peasant country without even knowing it

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>>61583672
What are you gonna say next? You have better healthcare? We'll just nuke your faggot ass into paying for OUR healthcare if you brag anymore, you communists.

Next time you want something, steal it from another country through military force. That's capitalism. Don't tax your own citizens you pussies.

>>61591029
Werks for me

>>61583703
the only other ISP here ALSO has a data cap

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>>61591083
Just work hard and have insurance, if you can't manage this why do you think you deserve to live

>when the captchas become worrying

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>>61590397

>If you pay me more, I'll remove the artificial data cap I made up on the 100% bandwidth-capable service you already paid to use

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>>61591160
America is behind the bandwagon on universal healthcare anon.

It's already been decided by essentially everyone else that it shouldn't cost anything, American hospitals just want more shekels and brainwashes people like you into shilling for them unconsciously

>>61591221
The sheer burden that blacks and mexicans would put on such a system in the US would collapse it within days

>>61583534
Most of central Ohio(ie by Columbus) doesn't have them, we just don't get great speeds without dropping allot of money.

>>61586188
But for how long though?
Where I live Cox didn't have data caps, but when their only competitor in my city, AT&T, added data caps Cox responded by adding data caps 3 months later.

Kek, burgers get cucked again

>>61591221
>shouldn't cost anything,
How is your 60% tax rate?

>>61592596
You do know that not all your taxes go to healthcare right? How much do you spend on health insurance? I can guarantee with 100% certainty it's less than what I pay towards universal healthcare, and as a bonus I don't have to worry about the government finding some loophole so it can tell me to fuck off and leave me with a huge hospital bill. But keep eating that corporate dick, burger.

>>61592643
amerilards are just allergic to taxes, they'd rather pay 10x as much for a service that is 100x worse if it means that they don't have to pay any tax. they've been brainwashed very well by the kikes

>>61584023
1TB per month is not enough for 300Mbps package. The ultimate package used to be 2TB and they just reduced it to 1TB. Who the fuck reduces the cap on their most expensive cable plan?

>>61592674
Yea having a data cap on the fastest available plan is bullshit

>>61588663
we never had adsl in any of the ex soviet/commie countries

that's what i'm saying. telephony business stood aside cause they couldn't stop people from laying cables across commie apartment blocks.

that's the problem first world countries had like france, spain or australia. cucked down by law enforcement.

we briefly had dial-up modems for faxes and some internet in '90 up until those local networks started to be properly interconnected

>>61586241
People like you are why I add data caps to thevplans my company offers. Have fun buddy.

I don't live in a third world country so I don't have a datacap

No data gap here in the US. The only person I heard have absolutely shitty internet from is Canadians with Rogers. I believe they have data caps

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>>61586329
f-fuck you...

>>61592674
Who downloads over a terabyte a month? What are you downloading?

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>>61595740
With 4 heavy internet users in my house, i'm certainly the heaviest at ~1.2-1.8TB a month.

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poland her, polsat lte, 25gb 7am to 1 am and 200gb 1am to 7am, after using all, net slows down to 64kb/s, yt is unwatchable

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>>61596366
>polsat lte
Why would you do it to yourself? Even the shittiest Orange is 30mbps for 19local peso with no limits.

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>>61596599
shit location, no fiber, no wires at all, and its only 25 peso, better than nothing

>>61583481
So what you're saying is, you have enough data for the month, and you're complaining about it!

>>61583534
You're an idiot.

I'm in po-dunk KY and I get 70mbps for $50 a month. Not even a big city either, just a random town.

>>61594186
Are you serious?
Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, and Cox are all rolling out data caps.

>>61597653
Verizon?

i mean, they have a soft data cap of 10TB, but that's hardly comparable to the 1TB of the others.

>>61597750
True, but they're already doing fishy stuff like zero-rating their own services.

Besides that, even if 10tb is more than reasonable now, what about in the future?
Games keep getting bigger, and video standards are moving towards ever higher resolutions, yet data caps rarely ever increase.

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>>61597835
Considering they're supposedly going to start offering 10gbps to buisnesses by 2020-2022, I dont really think it'll be an issue.

Verizon is full fiber, they really don't care much about bandwidth as long as you aren't trying to host a commercial service on a residential connection.

Cox here in my area will implement the 1GB hard cap on October 8th so I'm leeching without care at this point - I'm still not a data hoarder, I don't just download shit 24/7 unless it's something I want and at this point over the past 3 weeks or so since they announced this was going to kick in (we've had the 1GB soft cap for 2 years now and I've gone over it a few times with no ill effects since they didn't do anything in the past).

I've got all the movies I want and can actually acquire (face it, some torrents are just fucking slow and people are fucking stingy bastards, I have like 95 torrents still sitting at anywhere from 0.994 to 0.999 percent complete and it really fucking pisses me off why people do that, could be some tracking shit being done on purpose to keep people on the torrents longer to log IP addresses, etc, I don't know but it's a shitty practice even so.

As for Cox well, there had been many many months over the years where I never got anywhere close to the 1GB soft cap so, I figure now what I'm doing is using the monthly remainders that I never did use based on the fact that I paid for 1GB of bandwidth (aka one month I use 600GB so the next month I should technically be allowed to use 1.4GB to make up the 400GB from the previous month I did pay for but didn't use aka rollover).

Fucking US ISPS, greedy scumbucket cocksuckers every one of them. To provide 1TB of bandwidth in today's world is like $9 and they're charging $85+ for this shit, fuck 'em.

>>61597957
I think you switched tb and gb a few times there.

>1TB of bandwidth
You mean 1TB of data, not 1TB bandwidth, right?

>>61598003

Yes, I did pooch the GB/TB there once or twice, my bad.

To Cox, 1TB of data = 1TB of bandwidth, the speed of the connection is not relevant to them and you understood what I mean anyway.

It's still lame of them to do this considering the cost to them at ~$10 a terabyte nowadays, it's just fucking lame period and nothing but greed at work and I suspect in January of 2018 (Cox usually changes plans and pricing every January in almost every market they're in) they'll change things again with a price increase and perhaps 1.5T of data but not much else. Speeds aren't expected to change (I'm already on the 150Mbps "Premiere" plan) so that's not an issue.

I don't really give a fuck since I'm moving to Missouri to an area that has Google Fiber soon anyway.

>american internet
I'd call your internet 3rd world tier but they actually have better internet than you

>>61583481
I see you too live in the South. Cox Cumminications are the worst. Literally have a monopoly in my area bc Dish is shit and AT&T gets enough from my phone plan.

They gave us 1TB be default and I always get close but never exceed it, but its still annoying as hell

Do murricans really love big corporate cock that much?

>>61598163
as has been demonstrated in this thread, the US has 1st and 3rd world internet, it just depends where you live in the US.

>>61583481
When you buy a big mac do you complain that they "capped" your burger patties? Or do you just buy another, if you want more? Every single thing you buy is "capped" in its quantity. Stop whining, loser.

>>61598204
bandwidth is not a finite resource

>>61598213
What? No, bandwidth is finite, but data isn't.
That's why you pay for bandwidth.

Data caps are an artificial restriction that exists purely to extort more money from customers.

>>61598213
>>61598232

It makes no difference. If you go to the store and they sell hot dogs in packs of 12 or packs of 6 or as singles, you can still pay for whatever amount you want. There isn't any "cap" in the sense that there is some government enforced quota on how much you're allowed to use.

>>61598213
The only real issue arises during peak use hours, if your network can't support peak use bandwidth, you have issues with people getting the speeds they pay for.

If you want to curb peak hour use, put a data cap on data use during the hours of 4-11pm daily. But the rest of the night and day should be unrestricted since the majority of people aren't using the internet and there is plenty of bandwidth to spare since the fiber lines aren't going anywhere during the day, all that peak use infrastructure is still sitting there just not being fully utilized during the non-peak hours.


The ONLY reason you would cap monthly data use is if you want an excuse to create a reason to charge your higher usage customers more money, despite the fact it costs the operator (ISP) literally pennies per terabyte to transfer data.

Comcast charges $10 for 50GB once you go over 1TB monthly limit, that's pure horse shit, it costs them less than $0.50 to transfer 50GB of data. Yet they charge you the consumer $10? How the fuck does the math work on THAT calculation? The only explanation is the whole thing is a money grab and a way to make your customers pay twice for something they're already paying for.

Data caps are pure fantasy, there is simply no need, and if there were a REAL need, you'd see them implemented differently so as to actually curb peak hour use.

>>61598232
By the way, what could it possibly mean that "data isn't finite"? It's not quantifiable? My spreadsheet has no file size?

>>61598355
Do you also think it's up to you to decide what profit margins on Coca Cola should look like? Are you going to blubber like a baby in on a Korean basketweaving forum about how cheap sugar and water are?

>>61598393
How the fuck can you defend 2000%+ markup on something that you're ALREADY paying for?

They already make money off you as a consumer at their normal rate, that's why they are charging that rate. They know they'll make a profit from every customer.

Yet a customer that's using at MOST $3-4 a month in extra data compared to another customer will get charged $40-50 more because of it?


The ISP fucking OBVIOUSLY isn't putting that money to infrastructure improvements to make sure there is adequate bandwidth so there isn't a need for a data cap in the first place since the ISP already HAS that data cap they're just gonna pocket that money and keep pulling in the money.

It's bullshit and if you defend it you're either a fucking moron, or enjoy getting fucked over.

>>61598333
No, there's a huge difference, and that needs to be made clear as it's why datacaps are bullshit.
If I was an ISP, then that means I need to run cables out to my customers.
Let's say each of these cables has a bandwidth of 10tbps.
If I want to offer my customers 50mbps service, then that means that I need to run 1 cable for every 200,000 customers, and then a residential line off of that larger cable.
After figuring out how expensive it is to lay and maintain that cable, I can figure out what the price per mbps of service should be.
Nowhere in this does the amount of data used factor in, only the bandwidth matters.
If customers want faster internet, then I have to lay more cables to provide that bandwidth.
If customers want to download 1tb of data, then they only need to wait as long as it takes for 1tb of data to be transferred across the network at the bandwidth they pay for.

Now, this is all going on the assumption that everyone is guaranteed the bandwidth that they pay for, but you can generally oversell the amount of bandwidth you have since not everyone will be using all of their bandwidth all the time.
This would allow me to, say, provide service to 300,000 people at 50mbps on one 10tbps cable, rather than just 200,000 people.
This allows me to make more profit and provide bandwidth for cheaper prices, BUT if I oversell too much then most customers won't be able to get their 50mbps of bandwidth.
This is what is happening in the US.
Now, there are two solutions to this problem:
>Run more cable to provide the necessary bandwidth. This costs money.
>Create a datacap. This costs nothing while increasing profits.
Datacaps cause people to limit themselves, thereby reducing the load on the network, but that's bullshit, because you pay for the bandwidth, not the data.
Datacaps let companies stagnate while increasing profits.

>>61598367
I mean data in the context of data transferred over a network.
Data isn't a finite resource.

>>61598600
>Datacaps let companies stagnate while increasing profits.

Yup, and since they refuse to reinvest those profits into infrastructure upgrades, you see the stagnant network most of the country currently sees today.

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>>61599073
You don't need datacaps with my ISP. Some days my 100MBS service can't manage 5MBS. The ping goes from 4mS to nearly 500mS.
Today's looking good.

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>>61599484
god damn...

during the day i can get ~930-940 download, but evenings it can sometimes struggle to break 900mbps, pretty much always over 880 though.

>>61591182
how dare you try to justify regulations to starve those cute innocent corporations, they're people too you know.

>>61583481
>work for a major isp that offers 1gig services
>our systems work over coax
>they just imposed a data cap because fuck you that's why
>those frequencies transmit weather you use data or not
>the biggest reason we see slow downs is because of loose connectors and radio shack splitters in old peoples house that literally had SD only TV
data caps pretty bullshit m8T