Rx Vega vs 1080ti blind test

I'm fairly sure my R9 290X could almost perform as well on Doom.

That's a terrible game to gauge performance.

>>61577977
>no graphs
>"feel"
This is audiophie tier compariosn. I was right about the whole "guise look at this gpoo+memesync is the same as 1080+gsync" marketing stunt.

>>61577977
yeah because only blind person will buy AMD lmao

>>61578029
R9 290x master race here.

Why is AMD so bad at advertising?

>>61577977
NO CHARTS, AMD DEAD ON ARRIVAL

>>61577977
Wow the comments got brigaded by WCCFtech trolls. Fantastic.

Do we like Kyle now amdbros?

>>61578200
Kyle got over his butthurt maybe.

He was pretty salty during 480 release.

>>61578029
>That's a terrible game to gauge performance.
Eh, depends on what you mean. It's EXTREMELY well optimized, and manages to get the most out of your hardware. But that's obviously not indicative of games as a whole. For example, the Fury X gets higher FPS than the 1070 in Doom but that's not the case in literally any other game.

You're right, until we see other games this doesn't mean anything but that's not to say Doom doesn't run on magic.

As we expected, most of the professional and industry people agreed that the 1080ti system was faster.

AMD's own attemps at pulling the wool over our eyes might work for fanboys but not for experienced gamers

Why are people bitching about Doom performance when Vega FE runs doom like shit compared to Nvidia?

Might have worked for Fury and older cards, but not for Vega

>>61578239
That's not what I just saw.

>>61578239
Did we actually watch the same video?
Out of the pros only one claimed System 1 to be faster, was that tourney dude, the rest stuck with System 2.

>>61578279
>I substitute this reality with my own!

(you)

>>61577977
>It "feels" better
They did the same with bulldozer you know?

>>61578303
AMDrones are driven by feelings.

>>61578258
You can't expect any logic out of anti-AMD shitposters. They live to act like stupid pieces of shit and constantly attack AMD like mindless zombies.

They've done it

Freesync > gsync

>>61578303
That's because Bulldozer was so warm it made players feel comfy during the winter,

>>61578239
I don't even doubt poojets plug the Vega one with freesync and the other without gsync. Even that way doom is such a smooth game it runs like 200hz at 60hz it's very fluid.

>>61578351
Intel fucked up, why release Skylake-X in summer instead of winter?

>>61578300
He watched the video where he sits there with his dick in his hand masturbating to the thought of AMD going bankrupt so NVidia can fuck him in the ass for all eternity.

PCB-melting hot, and as fast as a 1080 at best.
Does AMD marketing actually buy the bullshit they feed to consumers? Do they actually think people are that stupid?

>>61578200
kyle was never an amd fan... whoever was alive during the 8800gts era and remember the lies he was trying to pass on the consumers knows...

>>61578391
Just look at amdtards vehemently defending their cult.

>>61578363
cause intel managed to make the literal housefire the fx 95xx to look decent

Why would you use DOOM for an xsync test? The main benefit of gsync and freesync is it minimizes the feeling of framerate drops due to dynamically changing refresh rate, it doesn't matter if you're playing a well optimized game at 200fps. They should have played something with lot's of variable amount of stress on the CPU like Battlefield 1 or CoD, since those types of games stand to benefit more.

>>61578439
No single GPU can run fucking doom at 200FPS at 4k you dumbo.

>>61578439
because it would make amd look bad

>>61578453
>4k
did you even watch the video retarded drone

>>61578453
The monitors are 3440 x 1440

>>61577977
>both @ 100hz
>1080ti
>DOOM
>100hz

No wonder Vegan performed similarly.

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what would /g/ look like if pic related turns out to be real?

>>61578549
1080ti is 50% faster than Vega

If nvidia had done this, the thread would already be in the 200's posts, but it's ok when amd does it.

>>61578303
They also did it with Eyefinity but whatever.

>>61578564
Lots and lots of butthurt nVidia fanboys and lots and lots of shitposting AMD fanboys.
Fuck GPUs.

>>61578564
I would contemplate selling my Fury X and getting one instead of waiting for Navi.
But no, absolutely impossible for that to be true, I would personally fly to Thailand and pay a ladyboy to fuck me in the ass,

>>61578564
Literally impossible because then AMD would have actual marketing instead of "muh feels"

>>61578578
I was implying they are gimping the Ti by limiting it to 100hz.

>>61578613
Why would they do actual marketing?
To let jacketman cut the prices on anything GP102 several month before Vega even launches?
Come the fuck on it would be classical ATi mistake.

/g/ absolutely BFTO what's your excuse now to not get an AMD GPU?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuOQ-E2czNE

>>61578564
Fake news.

RX 480 gets ~36 with vulkan. Assuming the shop is "real", it would mean a hefty 400% performance jump over RX 480. Impossible or rather very improbable.

Vega FE gets about ~80 FPS in Vulkan. That would be a near 80% performance increase over their FE version. Impossible unless they have something new to release.

>>61578602
This feels like the xbox 360 vs. ps3 console wars all over again.

>>61578633
To build actual hype and public interest, which drives sales. Which is what you do when you have a product worth a damn.

>>61578660
>Radeon
>sales
Come the fuck on.
People would eat shit with Nvidia stickers.
No amount oh hype would sale Radeons.

>>61578647
rx 480 has dogshit clockspeeds compared to vega tho

>>61578660
>they made those teasers that got people hyped
>after that they just dropped the ball with literally nothing and then the Vega FE which sucked
I don't get it

>>61578648
the 360 won that gen and nvidia is winning this gpu gen. the only people who argue are just asshurt fanboys at the end of the day

>>61578633
>Why would they do actual marketing?
You're telling me #RadeonRebels wasn't good enough for you?

>>61578239
>As we expected, most of the professional and industry people agreed that the 1080ti system was faster.
Nice bait.

>>61578730
Consoles are more about exclusives than hardware. Weebshit was on PS3, 12yo gaylo players were on 360.

>"Experiential tests" while frame limited to 100hz in a title even a 1080 shouldn't have a problem driving at 120fps 1440p
Clever. But not really.

>>61578812
Yeah-yeah youve read that plebbit post.

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>>61578796
>tfw get to now play those games but with actual hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ze5FLQtV94

>>61578734
Be a rebel
Pay double for half performance
Potato brigade

>>61578825
I don't go to reddit, but it's not surprising that the "test" restrictions meant to present AMD's abortion of a GPU in a positive light are obvious to others.

>>61578647
I was hitting triple digit framerate with my RX 480 all settings maxed @ 1080p. Very well optimized game it was amazing.

>>61578873
"all settings maxed"

So 2xAA? Good joke, maxed means maxed, so 16x SSAA or fuck off.

>>61578796
>Consoles are more about exclusives than hardware

no. consoles for the last 2 generations have been popular as budget ways to play all the big AAA games without having to dish out big bucks for a PC. when the 360/ps3 came out they had hardware which was better than the vast majority of home PC's at the time and iirc the 360 gpu was the first with a unified shader model. all the best selling games of that gen and this current gen are multiplat AAA games because a console is an affordable, plug and play way to access this library as 99% of AAA games will come to console.
the 360 had the best versions of multiplats (i.e. the games most console players play) and was thus the best console of the gen to any non-biased person. the same goes for the ps4 this gen. ps4 players even voted that they bought their console because of the resolution advantage in a poll.

tldr; 360 > ps3

>>61578564
Lol a Titan xp doesn't perform like 100% over 1080.
1080ti is around 30% faster and is the same die with some cores fucked

>>61578866
>meant to present AMD's abortion of a GPU in a positive light are obvious to other
What obvious to me is that you and others are retarded. Wait 4 days and shitpost to your hearts content after the event.

>>61578873
Its a 4K benchmark shop.

>>61578915
All this secret is only due to failure.
Ryzen leaked numbers much earlier

>>61579090
shhh It's sandbagging. The 50% driver is just around the corner. Have some patience.

>>61577977
Man if only we had numerical benchmarks instead of feelings to evaluate hardware.

>>61579090
>Ryzen leaked numbers much earlier
ONLY and ONLY due to frenchies getting hands on ONE Zen ES.
These frenchies were the ones to get their hands on K8 ES btw.

where are the charts

>>61578564
I would buy Vega day one.

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>>61578239

>>61577977
>Blind test with a game literally designed for AMD hardware
>Still loses to the 1080ti
Top kek

>>61578564
>Titan XP 100% faster than a 1080
Ya no, that bench is bullshit
Fake news.

>>61579237
Who needs charts when you have feels.

>Our product is slower
>Our product uses more power
>Our product is priced the same as a 1080

But you can't tell the difference!
You can save 300 bucks if you buy our GPU + monitor!

This is proof if any that VEGA is a failure and can't complete with a 1080Ti and when other games shows this (LOL Doom) AMD are going to get laughed at.

t. AMD MSI RX 480 Gaming X owner

>>61578239
Im stealing your pasta

>>61577977
>Tyler Murley
>Beat Ultra Nightmare DOOM pisol Only

holy
fucking
shit

>>61580167
That's literally nothing
Shitloads of people have beat the game pistol only ultra nightmare with no deaths, some have even done a no hit run

>>61580225
This is some Grand Slam of Autism, and I thought I was weird for doing a all white mage run on SNES FF's

>>61580247
[spoiler]One White Mage[/spoiler]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRsDOftpjs0&index=14&list=PLVM1qRtVEeEoFkoPmBiunxP-JEpYqv4Ps

Beating Ruby Weapon with a Level 1 Cloud Solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeBms4QEEM&t=1569s

>>61580247
Don't worry man, it's more common than you think
A few buds and I did a company run with borderlands 2
Can only use equipment made by one company for the entire game no matter what, I was stupid enough to pick only snipers and jakobs, they make fucking nothing

This test is retardedly stupid.
I am sure they could have thrown in a 580 and it would have felt the same

Is a free sync display pretty essential these days?

>>61580677
no, but it will be harder to go back to a normal monitor after using one (I think)

t. never used a freesync monitor

>>61578610
>I would
I'm going to*
Ftfy :^)

>>61580677
Get a good freesync monitor.
Research. Some freesync implementation is shit leaving you with narrow ranges or bad ghosting.

>>61580677
Nope
These sync technologys are gimmicks.
They are designed to keep you from switching GPUs.
Is you have a Nvidia GPU and Gsync, you won't get a AMD card and nice versa.

You can get 99% of the benefits by using MSI afterburner to limit fps to a given value, say 60fps.
Then tailer the settings so you don't dip below 60
GPU usage stays 90-99% and you keep a solid 60fps. Nets consistent frame times and low latency.

Literally the only path to success for Vega at this point is to make a cheaper 1080. That's it. There's no way they have a 1080 Ti equivalent at this point.

>>61581040
>They are designed to keep you from switching GPUs.
That's why G-sync is proprietary, but I'm considering that Freesync is open-source AMD sees it as a short-term advantage at best. We could be living in a world where Freesync is standard on all monitors if Nvidia would give up trying to push their shit when there's no real advantage continuing the R&D and marketing for G-Sync when they could just adopt an open standard. It could've been to Nvidia's gain to piggyback off Freesync and give up G-Sync in the long-run, and Freesync is inevitably going to become the standard.

>>61581207
Freesync isn't open source. The variable refresh specification that freesync uses is a VESA standard. Freesync refers to their GPU-side technique for using the DP spec to control refresh rate as well as the brand name.

If Nvidia wanted they could come up with a competing product that works on all freesync compatible monitors without even using the freesync brand name. They could literally just come up with G-sync lite or something and use the same variable refresh tech in monitors' controllers to do the same thing as freesync.

You can find articles about it from when Freesync was first announced. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/05/12/amds-project-freesync-gets-momentum-as-adaptive-sync-gets-added-to-displayport-spec/#5589a0873c58

>“DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync enables a new approach in display refresh technology,” said Syed Athar Hussain, Display Domain Architect, AMD and VESA Board Vice Chairman. “Instead of updating a monitor at a constant rate, Adaptive-Sync enables technologies that match the display update rate to the user’s content, enabling power efficient transport over the display link and a fluid, low-latency visual experience.”

>AMD's Project FreeSync works in concert with this technology, providing adaptive framerate syncing on the driver side of things.

AMD encouraged VESA to port the standard to displayport (originally an embedded displayport spec used primarily by Intel to limit refresh rates to 30Hz to save battery life) but it's still a VESA standard and AMD has no claim or right to bar Nvidia from just taking advantage of what already exists in monitors. Nvidia could do whatever they want with 0 approval, not even some sort of acknowledgement, from AMD.

>>61580722
>never used adaptive vertical sync technology
your opinion comparing gsync and no gsync must now be discarded, anon :(
>>61581040
at least above anon admitted to not using gsync/freesync. I use gsync and it's pretty sweet you don't notice it going forwards but you notice it going back. kind of like how I didn't see just how hard my pc roflstomps my xbox until I played BF4 on xbox after playing in on my oc
>>61580777
this is good advice, as not all freesync is made equal. this is the advantage of gsync as it is technically better (just), but all gsync is equivalent provided nvidia hasn't come up with a better way to do it over previous years
>>61581057
from what I've heard top end vega is supposed to be near a 1080 performance wise

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>>61577977
so what do you guys think is actually happening here? Most (all i think) preferred the rx vega over the 1080 ti. A hardware editor and gaming journalist both purported the rx vega was noticeably better. this really gets my hopes up for vega but what concerned me is that the video editor himself said at the end that it was a surprise to him that rx vega won the "muh feels" contest. is it possible he had pre-benchmarked the rx vega and was surprised to find people preferred it more? what's goin on here
>pic unrelated

>>61581802
Wait for the benchmarks. GPU performance is something we can actually benchmark and check. Heck it is what? 4 more days?

Doom, amd best case again...

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>>61581802
It's fairly obvious how nervous they are with this video
Releases a feels vs reals video first, 4 days ahead of time, with 0 numbers
Putting the people life stories in a sub box to try and make them appear credible "40 years of gaming, ate a twix once, beat doom".

If blatantly obvious that whatever Vega is, they are really, really trying to justify it

>>61577977
I remember when amd pulled out blindtests for their bulldozer APUs.
>>61578029
>That's a terrible game to gauge performance.
Doom is 90% corridor/tunnel play. It's a terrible game to guage vulcan apu performance and/or hardware performance.

>>61581988
>feels vs reals
Kek

But seriously, this looks bad
Not releasing numbers says they have a dud on their hands.

>>61577977
Graphs or gtfo ..
Sage

>>61581366
>you don't notice it going forwards but you notice it going back
I did a blind test with my roommates
Noone was able to determine the difference between (GSync on + no fps cap) vs (gsync off + MSI AB fps limit)

We were able to determine the difference when there was (no fps cap +Gsync) vs (no Gsync + no fps cap)

>>61577977
>still no revealing of FPS capabilities

yeah, it's gonna suck

>>61582562
not even with the fury x did they pull this shit stunt. they had actual benchmarks claiming it would btfo the 980 ti by this time. they already know their release is trash and are totally ignoring fps metrics for muh smoothness

>>61582672
Their claim is that it is feel the same and it is cheaper due to lack of G-sync tax.

>>61582672
To be fair, in the crazy ideal world where AMD made a card that had minimums almost equal to their averages would make the "muh smoothness" argument a real point even if those averages weren't as high. But they're not talking about minimums, or any frame measurements for that matter, so that's definitely not what's going on. Not to mention, AMD cards absolutely kill on Doom with even the Fury X outpacing the 1070, so haring how that game is smooth doesn't mean shit.

>>61582688
no amount of freesync in the world will save them from 30fps at 1440p

Targeting the enthusiast market with Vega would be suicide. I wonder if they're just going after the casual CoD audience at this point

>>61582728
Targeting the enthusiast market is Vega's only choice. With the lack of marketing, normies and average consumers will absolutely not get this card. They are hoping the people with high end freesync monitors and AMD fanboys buy it.

>>61582716
they know themselves that they aren't convincing anyone. companies are known to use best case scenarios for their products but this is next level. maybe using something like total war warhammer or deus ex in a blind test would make people more convinced because those are pretty intensive games which require dual gpu or a 1080 ti to run at absolute max settings (aside from 8x msaa). if they did use those games and the gameplay looked smoother then that could possibly translate into the vega chip having better performance but doom runs so incredibly well even on toasters that it's retarded that their marketing team thought that people would be convinced the vega gpu is better because of a game which runs extremely well anyway.

>>61582728
I feel really bad for all the monitor manufacturers who have to market Freesync 2.0 if AMD doesn't pull through with a good 1440p 144Hz card. 1440p Freesync monitors seem to be dropping off of Newegg and Amazon due to lack of demand. My Microcenter is practically giving them away, got a 1440p/144Hz IPS monitor for only $400, they even asked me to please buy another one. I have an Nvidia GPU but I couldn't pass up such a ridiculous deal.

>>61582779
>they know themselves that they aren't convincing anyone
The fact we still haven't heard shit about pricing is what worries me most. If this were a Ryzen or Polaris scenario where they weren't leading the pack but delivering heavy price/performance where it mattered then I wouldn't give a shit if Vega comes a little behind the high-end Polaris. A GTX 1080 level of power is more than enough for anyone without a 1440p/144hz or 4K monitor. Delivering that cheaply, same price as 1070 or a little more, would disrupt the high-end market but that doesn't seem like what they're going for at all.

>>61582894
They can't leak prices cause it might affect stock prices. They can "leak" benchmarks but they haven't aside from this feels test.

>>61582399
that's because all but the last method reduce screen tearing. the main selling point of gsync to me was reduction of frame tearing without the strain of vsync. I already had a 980ti so I got a predator x34. high refresh+gsync+ultrawide is no meme. I can only imagine how nice the 144hz is

>>61583022
I can get the same results by limiting fps at 60 in Msi afterburner.
The fps limit is on a hardware level
It's NOT like vsync, it causes no latency.

My point is simple, I can get all the benfits of the Sync tech with simple changes.

>>61583126
well you don't get all the benefits, as gsync covers a greater range of framerates, so I don't have to limit my fps to my monitor: it's more the other way around. better but more expensive

>>61583259
You only need 60fps or 144.
Because of monitor limitations
Anywhere in-between is pointless
You also want to avoid frame fluctuations at all times.

GSync or freesync is a marketing gimmick

>>61583363
you don't seem to understand but the cool thing about advanced vertical sync is that you can go anywhere in between, making vsync and framerate limiting pointless on a gsync or freesync monitor

>>61578208
>Eh, depends on what you mean. It's EXTREMELY well optimized, and manages to get the most out of your hardware. But that's obviously not indicative of games as a whole. For example, the Fury X gets higher FPS than the 1070 in Doom but that's not the case in literally any other game.
>You're right, until we see other games this doesn't mean anything but that's not to say Doom doesn't run on magic.

The key this about the idTech6 engine is that it does tiled/binning rasterization in software, so Maxwell/Pascal (and Vega?) get no boost from hardware tiling, whereas even consoles and old GPUs get better efficiency through better intra-frame data locality.

If the purported features of Vega aren't bullshit, Doom should actually have about the *worst* incremental performance improvements of any game.

>>61577977
Its literally basic fucking business logic that when a company does this shit with their product you abandon ship

Only AMD could get away with this

Atleast Apple has the testicular fortitude wave their flaccid cock for the world to see when they release shit every year

>>61583484
You forgot
MEGATEXTURES NYIGGUH

>>61578109
>laughs at his own joke

there's literally no point in buying Nvidia when freesync costs nothing, and Vega can pull 100fps @4k, monitors are actually the bottleneck now

>>61583843
>Vega can pull 100fps @4k
I love AMD but no a 1080ti can't even do that

>>61583963
In doom it can
but nowhere else I don't think

>>61583484
>Doom should actually have about the *worst* incremental performance improvements of any game
this would surely shit on what GN kept saying over and over again

>>61583363
I'm using 1080p 75hz where is your god now

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Guys, I have a 1440p/144hz freesync monitor. Do I get a 1080ti or do I wait?

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>put up with my 1090T for 7 years, and my 7950 for 5 years because I want to support team red
>get shoveled shit year after year
>Vega will be no different

I can't keep doing this. My backlog is insane just because I'm anal about playing on high settings

>>61584665
almost satan. shamefur dispray

>>61584920
>upgrading to the elder god tier 290X when you had the chance

This thing is going to last me for a decade at this rate.

>>61577977
Fail

I would know what I'm playing on because of how distinct gysnc monitors are

>>61585252
they really aren't though

also I think it comes down to how they lowered latency with new enhanced sync thingy
high fps is not what you want, you want game to be responsive and smooth

still freaking shady PR stunt

>>61578647
70% more shaders, 14% higher clock speeds (if you can get the 480 up to 1400), plus TBDR, HBCC, fine tuned voltage control (Vega is locked at 1.2v as it stands) and core changes not found in Polaris.

Not saying it'll be 400% but it should be a damn sight higher than whatever you're thinking it is.

>>61585342
new driver came out, any vega mentions in it?

>>61585330
Look at the difference in gsync model for Asus, Acer etc

>>61577977
>brought to you by AMD's Poojet "POO IN GPU" Koduri

>>61577977
>having to resort to blind testing because your product is such a failure

Fire Raja

>>61581802
They're talking about a $300 difference in value, but the monitors themselves are $500 apart. For people that do not care about freesync/g-sync, that makes RX Vega sound like a very expensive affair considering the comparison is between the RX Vega and the 1080 Ti, especially considering the majority of the people interviewed couldn't tell the difference between the systems.

REEEEEEEEEE

GPU prices won't go down.

RX Vega is useless, and only panders to professionals.

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>>61577977

>AMD Says Vega Frontier Edition "Gaming" and "Pro" Modes are Not Placeholders

https://www.techpowerup.com/235532/amd-says-vega-frontier-edition-gaming-and-pro-modes-are-not-placeholders

I've said a zillion times that gaming mode and pro mode will not make a difference in performance, but the retarded keep insisting on something without logic!

>>61589557
>it's not meant to be a magical, performance-boosting button all in itself. It's really just a way for developers to have access to consumer driver updates (which are launched much more frequently than professional ones) for the latest games. It appears that the Frontier Edition's toggle is there to enable prosumers to have access to two driver packages at the same time - the latest consumer drivers, and the latest, albeit probably older and less flexible - pro drivers.

The whole issue is that the gaming drivers as they currently stand have 0 (zero) of Vega's new uarch features enabled, so of course switching modes makes no difference yet. Precisely what remains to be seen is whether and how well RTG's driver team is able to get those uarch features working by Siggraph.

>>61589640
Pulling back the curtain and revealing fully complete drivers would be the ultimate hat trick. But let's face it, they won't have that shit finished for another half a year.

>>61589686
Hence me saying "if" and "how well" they manage to get Vega's uarch features implemented. Who knows how far they are with the drivers at this point? They very clearly don't intend to telegraph ANYTHING before Siggraph.

>>61589686
Even by the time they sort it out we will already have Volta already.

>>61577977
>Equipment Used
>Both test systems are identical outside of GPU and Display. AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPUs with 16GB of 2666MHz RAM.

That's kinda handicap for Nvidia because of their drivers. Not so good choice for performance comparison.

>>61582860
1440p is coming down in price because people are moving to 4k, not because freesync sucks.

>>61582860
Which monitor?

>>61578132
Because advertising is a big waste of money and AMD ain't got any to spare.

AHAHAHAHA Where's that idiot shill now with his "Vega will be under $500": bullshit?

I hope he actually killed himself or died from shock with these leaks of $800+

All the people talking shit about RX Vega obviously haven't learned from the Ryzen launch.

AMD is sandbagging like crazy. They'll deliver top tier performance for medium tier price and BTFO Nvidia like they did Intel.

Can't wait for my AMD stock to skyrocket even further.

>>61594308
>Can't wait for my AMD stock to skyrocket even further.
Fuck you.
I need the dip.
Vega NEEDS to be shit.
Like total, nv30-tier disaster.

>>61594308
As much as I want this to be true, it isn't happening. They were more than happy to show direct comparisons with Intel in heavily CPU oriented benchmarks. This time it's just Coke Vs. Pepsi comparisons with no actual numbers.

>>61594355
It was Coke vs. Pepsi the first time they demoed Zen in Blender.

>>61594308
>AMD Maginot line

>>61594355
or they could have even bigger advantage
50/50 to meet dinosaur on the street

>>61594308
t. 12yo amdrone

>>61594351
t. stockcuck

>>61594308
They were never sandbagging Ryzen

>>61589640
But the Pro drivers aren't certified. What is the fucking point.

>>61594646
>What is the fucking point.
What was the point of GK110 Titans?
Compute and entry-level workstation perf for cheap.
Not everyone needs certified drivers you know.

>>61594667
Except those actually had good FP64 compute.

Watch RX Vega have 2:1 FP16 and render the FE even more useless than it already is.

>>61589640
You say this like it's guaranteed Vega even has any of these advertised uarch features at all.

Notice how NONE of these features, except the ones actually demo'd (like HBCC) are 'enabled'.

Meanwhile features like the Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer, which was supposed to cause AMD's equivalent to Kepler -> Maxwell Perf/Watt increases, is not even mentioned on the FE's webpage or the Vega Architecture webpage on Radeon.com

>>61594755
To add to this, marketing slides are ALWAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE

>>61594755
>let's lie to our shareholders
Good one.

>>61594783
It's not lying if you don't say anything. If it was in the works but didn't work out then they excluded it, hence the radio silence days out from launch,

>>61594843
Then how the fuck does it even compete with full GP102 in workstation tasks?
Your post makes ~0 sense.

>>61591887
Acer XF270HU

>>61594873
None of those features are even being used on those workloads you stupid cunt, hence the power draw and TDP of the cards.

The compute performance is 100% sourced from the 4096 shader cores running at ~1350-1600MHz, if you had a Fury X with those clockspeeds, 2:1 ratio FP16 and the speed/amount of HBM2 memory you'd see the same performance.

>>61578120

Red 390x reporting in

>>61594955
>Creo
>CB OGL
>*CAD
>COMPUTE
The fuck?
What are you even smoking?

>>61594873
>GP102
>12TFLOP FP32
>Vega
>13TFLOP FP32
Gee I wonder

>>61594990
>>61594988

>>61594988
>TBDR
>useful for professional work
Nice meme

Well, i guess im going to buy nvidia next. 4 last gpus were amd, i have a freesync monitor, but vega looks like complete garbage. I really hope im wrong though and some miracle is going to happen.

>>61595044
>I really hope im wrong though and some miracle is going to happen.
I hear this every single Radeon product launch and it never happens, don't get your hopes up it will just be more disappointing.

>>61595004
Than why did Maxwell Quadros perform better than Kekler Quadros with less ALUs? :^)

>>61595072
Because TBDR wasn't the only difference between the two, contrary to what you clueless shills believe.

>>61595070
What dissapointing launch are we talking about?

>>61595097
Better DCC barely makes an impact. Fuck, Kekler had decent DCC, Maxwell barely improved on it.
Basically you're spreading FUD.
Good luck, pal.

>>61595106
Fiji, Polaris (with expectations of high end offerings before AMD put a marketing spin on it because it scaled like shit), R9 300 series just being rebrandeon, HD 3000 series.

>>61595125
Get a trip so everybody can laugh at you come RX Vega launch day, maybe you can livestream your suicide.

>>61595149
>Fiji
Was decent.
>Polaris
What's fucking wrong with that you fucking moron?
>R9 300 series just being rebrandeon
Shall i post the list of G92 rebrands?
>HD 3000 series
Shall i remind you of thermi or NV30 if we're going back in time?
Good luck with shitposting, pal!

>>61595167
>Was decent.
No.
>What's fucking wrong with that you fucking moron?
Shit perf/watt, no high end offerings, they tried to meme the power efficiency with a single 6pin which backfired on them.

The only good thing about Polaris was it forcing NVIDIA to release the 1060.

>Shall i post the list of G92 rebrands?

Post a list of G90 rebrands while you're at it, it was an amazing architecture that absolutely annihilated ATi and to this day NVIDIA cards are still based on the foundations of G90.

>>61595167
>Shall i remind you of thermi
No thanks, AMD did that already with Vega.

>>61595220
>No.
Yes.
>The only good thing about Polaris was it forcing NVIDIA to release the 1060.
Now that's what i call shitposting.
Nice one.
>Post a list of G90 rebrands while you're at it, it was an amazing architecture that absolutely annihilated ATi and to this day NVIDIA cards are still based on the foundations of G90.
>rebrands are gud nao because it's nVidia™
Okay.
>No thanks, AMD did that already with Vega.
Ha ha (You) tried.

>>61595249
>Ha ha (You) tried.
You're right, Vega is even worse than Fermi, Fermi may have run hot and drew a ton of power but it was still faster than AMD's offerings.

Meanwhile Vega not only draws a fuckton of power and runs incredibly hot, it also barely outperforms the competition's midrange offerings.

>>61595278
Now (You) are trying a little bit TOO hard to shitpost.

>>61588273
>They're talking about a $300 difference in value, but the monitors themselves are $500 apart.

This. Vega will be $200 more than a 1080. So, $7-800 launch price, and no AIBs for a month minimum (bios only ships to them in august).

>>61595324
You do know that it's AiBs that manufacture reference models?

>>61595302
You can't even argue that because it's true.

>>61595324
So basically DOA.

>>61595343
Oh really then who manufactured the Vega FE, Radeon Pro Duo and WX series cards?

Did Sapphire do it and slap an AMD label on it?

>>61595369
And by Pro Duo I mean the Radeon Pro Polaris version, not the Fiji edition that was done by AIBs.

>>61584665
get on my level

1440p 75Hz Freesync

>>61595369
>Oh really then who manufactured the Vega FE, Radeon Pro Duo and WX series cards?
>
>Did Sapphire do it and slap an AMD label on it?
I'm not even the guy you're responding to, but yes, they literally do this.

Why do you think when you search to buy a Radeon Pro Duo all the listings are from AIBs? If you do a search, you'll see it from XFX, Asus etc, you're not buying it directly from AMD as they don't manufacture cards for general sale

so yes, AIBs do manufacture even reference models

>>61584840

Same boat. But at least I'm not retarded like. I'll wait 3 days until Vega is out.

>>61594563
>They were never sandbagging Ryzen
Papermaster lied to Intel's face head on. They were sandbagging.

Asus strix Vega.

1150 USD in Sweden. 1080ti costs 1100 USD.

Lol amd.

this test is so fucking stupid its making me mad. AMD realizes that comparison advertising is bottom of the barrel and makes it seem inferior to most people, right?

>>61597063
The moment you drop any real numbers is the moment jacketman slashes the prices on 1080/1080ti.

>>61597076
or reveal 11xx series

>>61597076
So should I still wait until SIGGRAPH because NoVidya would still do it to consolidate the market share?

>>61597099
A bigger Pascal? It's going to be not earlier than Q2 2018.
Jacketman would never lower his margins especially AFTER posting several good quarters.
>>61597102
>NoVidya would still do it to consolidate the market share?
>let's cut our margin for no apparent reason
The shareholders would panic.
You don't want to do that.

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>>61597076
this jacketman sounds like a badass. I should buy his products

>>61597119
that or volta.

>>61597172
Volta as V100?
It's an extremely niche low volume product, die size alone says everything about it.
Consumer Volta is (maybe) bigger Pascal with GDDR6 and (maybe) no voltage lock.

>>61597076
Vega is such underwhelming housefire turd, nvidia doesn't even need to lower the prices, Poojet.

>>61597231
(You) tried.

>>61593959
If it's actually $800 I'm just going to buy a 1080ti.

>>61597123
For what it is worth, those 69xx cards made up for the cutting of corners by being unlockable.

I'm still on a 6950 unlocked to a 6970. Wanted to upgrade to the 570 but miners bought them all.

>>61597246
Just go and buy 1080ti right now.

>>61596827
>so yes, AIBs do manufacture even reference models

Yeah, they do, but who fucking cares about reference models?

>>61597240
Will you kill yourself when the charts and prices drop? I know you'd just crawl back to /r/amd for several days and then return to shit the board as usual.

>>61597294
the loo beckons, poojet

>>61597328
Poo in the loo, Rakesh.

>>61597270
Payday is after SIGGRAPH anyway.

>>61597076
But he already has dropped the price. When 1080ti launched the 1080 had it's price drop. This drop was to rain on the vega parade but it was delayed and nvidia launched as they planned.

The point is that nvidia literally controls the pricing in the gpu market right now. When amd's price is revealed is going to be exactly where it lands in performance as well. The sweden leaks puts it around $600 which is between the 1080 and ti which is where every sensible prediction landed it.

>>61597426
Well then Vega is DOA.

>>61597270
Not him and I will buy 1080 instead. But is the 11Gbps version worth buying?

>>61597469
No, it's a meme.

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>>61597426
>$600 for 250W+ housefire barely matching 1080
>wait 2 years for drivers
>mfw

>>61597476
Thank you. Maybe I'll just get a Gigabyte AORUS and wait for Volta.

>>61597541
>Volta
Is a meme.
It's just biggur dies.

>>61597550
>>61597181
The Volta whitepaper tells us that the Volta we've seen already is substantially different from Pascal and Maxwell in ways that will be critical to the performance of upcoming next gen games. There's no evidence and no reason that Nvidia would forgo these architectural changes for the mainstream consumer products.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

>>61598315
What changes? L1 being part of unified memory? That's irrelevant for gayms.
Pascal was also "substantionally different" from Maxwell.

>>61577977
There are 2 possibilities on how the Vega release is going to turn out.

1. The Budapest Event, posted 3D-Mark scores, blindtesting from HardOCP, lack of official information from AMD, reports that Vega will cost the same as 1080ti while being slower, were all part of a strategy in order to draw attention to Vega without Nvidia having a clue of the chip's true performance and having people think that AMD won't deliver, allowing them to come back with a big surprise.

2. Vega sucks and it was all made worse by AMD's marketing department.

I personally hope for option 1 but unfortunately it seems a bit unlikely for me.

>>61598524
3DMark scores were posted by literal RTG marketer.
You should read Anand's article about how Evergreen was conceived to understand what they are doing right now.
The marketing is still retarded, but it's RTG slipping into old ATi habits.

>>61598556
Could you post a link to the article?

Posted scores could have been made with an unfinished Bios. Board partners will recieve the final RX Vega Bios on 2nd of August. Maybe this will unlock the remaining features of the chip and everyone will be like "Oh, they pulled off a miracle".

>>61598618
ATi managed to pull a miracle at least once when no one expected one.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2937

>>61598414
See the fundamental changes to the SIMT model.

>Pascal was also "substantionally different" from Maxwell.

Not even remotely comparable to the changes in Volta. Seriously where the fuck are you getting this idea that it's the same,

>>61598671
>"fundamental"
>Tahiti -> Hawaii tier changes
What.

>>61598799
Treating this dumbass scenario seriously, hell yes. Over time she'd have to drop the dyke look, grow her hair out, and lose weight. She'd look perfectly fine then.

>>61598835
She's already perfect anon

>>61598749
The changes in the SIMT model for Volta requires distinct scheduling hardware, a "fundamental" change. How is that Tahiti -> Hawaii tier?

>>61598879
Kekler and onwards still had "distinct scheduler hardware". GigaThread engine was still GigaThread engine, just simplified with some functionality moved into software layer. It's a hybrid approach.
We don't know precisely what degree of functionality was moved back to hardware in Volta.

>>61598993
Good grief... you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I thought there might be substance to your claims but it's just FUD isn't it.

>>61577977
why the hell do you need a blind (not even double blind) test for something that doesn't need humans in the loop and can be compared objectively?

>POOR VOLTA

lmao

>siggraph's still 2 days away
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>61598648
>ATi managed to pull a miracle at least once when no one expected one.

Yeah but that was a straight up double of the 4870. And it was only so good because the cards before were so bad that Nvidia could got away with rebranding for 3 generations.

Vega is literally a higher clocked Fury.

>>61600174
>Vega is literally a higher clocked Fury.
Except it's supposed to have Tile Based Rasterization, and Primitive Shaders, and High Bandwidth Cache Controller, and Advanced Clock Gating, and Automatic Frequency and Voltage Scaling.

Pretty much all of which were provably not working in Vega FE's gaming drivers, so until we know if and how many of these features the RTG driver team actually manages to implement, we are pretty much in the dark as to how RX Vega is going to actually perform.

>>61600460
We will know in 3 days. A week for actual benchmarks

>>61600480
Right, exactly. Until we have some idea of whether and how well they've implemented any of these features we are basically guessing at how RX Vega will actually perform.

>>61600480
>>61600503
I meant to add that the first chance we will have of getting an answer to that is at Siggraph since it seems AMD is intent on not telegraphing absolutely anything before their presentation.

>>61600509
Except their feels before reals test

JUST SIG MY SHIT UP

>>61600533
Which were obviously designed to telegraph virtually nothing. They have very clearly chosen to reveal absolutely nothing before their Siggraph presentation.

I can see them having good reasons to do so: This approach absolutely maximized how much time the RTG driver team would have to work on the gaming drivers. The downside is they've now totally polarized their range: RX Vega is either going to be utterly terrible or absolutely amazing.

>>61600585
>This approach absolutely maximized how much time the RTG driver team would have to work on the gaming drivers
The test was done what? 1 week out? Launch is in 3 days. If RTG driver team is still "working" on the drivers and not finalizing the drivers for launch, the drivers are absolutely fucked and will 100% not be ready for launch.

Which is clearly not the case here. You finalize a program a month before you push it for realize. Going gold so to speak. Most likely the drivers used in the blind test are the drivers we will get on release plus bug fixes.

>>61600638
from all we know those tests could've been using the same gaming drivers from the FE though

>>61600638
>If RTG driver team is still "working" on the drivers and not finalizing the drivers for launch, the drivers are absolutely fucked and will 100% not be ready for launch.
lol, this.

If AMD had something with RX Wega they wouldn't be revealing their most important graphics card launch in over 2 years at fucking SIGGRAPH and they certainly wouldn't be trying to play up the value aspect of Freesync vs G-Sync when factoring overall cost of a setup to camouflage the fact that Vega is going to be pretty fucking horrible price/performance.

>>61600754
If RTG was retarded sure. The only reason why you would use an old build is if your current is absolutely not ready for show and if it was not ready for show one week out you are fucked.

>>61578029
My lightning 290x still handles basically any game

>>61601664
At 1080p60 yeah. I upgraded for WH2 1440p144.

>>61601714
Nope, on 1440p on most games, just because I can't throw a handful of newer titles on Ultra doesn't mean it can't.
It's currently OC'd and my monitor is 1440p

>>61602642
Yeah sure, try convincing the kids here that you don't need 8x MSAA and Ultra everything in order to visually enjoy a game.

>>61602734
That's why they're kids. Graphics haven't advanced a whole lot in the past few years, games are more reliant on CPU's than ever - because a shitton of games are multiplats, even the high end indie games.

There simply aren't any titles that justify a 1080ti.

>>61602782
>There simply aren't any titles that justify a 1080ti.
what is 4K?
what is VR + supersampling?

>>61602874
>what is 4K?
Meme.
>what is VR + supersampling?
Even bigger meme.

>>61602874

>what is 4K?
>what is VR + supersampling?

Fucking memes. VR is still incredibly in it's infancy, although the plus side is a certain AAA dev is rereleasing old titles on VR, the hardware demand isn't that much higher

As for 4k it's barely a half step up from 2k/1440p.
Wake me the fuck up when we have affordable 6k and 8k options, because I'm not upgrading to Nvidishit until we truly have a leap forward.

>>61602874
Just like long ago we've passed the point where adding more polygons doesn't have a significant increase in quality, we've also passed the point where adding more resolution (or super sampling a higher resolution) has only a minuscule increase in quality.

Why else do you think that every gamedev in the last decade has been focusing on shitty post-processing effects? There's no easy improvements to make anymore.

>>61602893
>the next standard for content and screen resolution
>meme

alright luddite. Enjoy your 1080p60hz 24" monitor, after all it's not like the eye can tell a difference anyway

>>61603066
It's a meme.

>>61603066
1440p144hz currently with an OC 290x lightning as I stated earlier.

4K isn't the next anything, 8K TV's are under $4,000 dollars and falling and the first 10K TV was made in fucking 2015.

4k is barely a blip on the fucking radar, 8k is a substantial leap in resolution and 8k monitors at an affordable price are right around the corner.

Why waste your time upgrading to 4k when 8k will be affordable, on a fucking monitor, before 2020

>>61603226
because you would need to wait 2.5 years, and 4k is already overkill for a monitor. do you honestly believe the average human can tell the difference between 4k and 8k on a 26 inch monitor?

>>61603226
Is this the Vega excuse?
Call this generation shit because everything is a fucking meme and there is no need to upgrade so just wait™ for Navi?

>>61603461
4k being a meme has nothing to do with Vega.

>>61603481
Watch people hype up 4k when the Vega beats the 1080 in 4k resolution because of HBM2. Suddenly 4k will NOT be a meme.

I remember this same shit happening with 970 vs 390 with AMD doing better at higher resolutions.

>>61603226
>pixel density on an 8k 32" monitor equivalent to a 4k 15.6" laptop screen (useless without high scaling)
>TVs are probably 8k's best chance of mainstream adoption in the next decade, yet we don't even have a steady supply of physical 4k content
>streaming 8k when 75% of the population that is still on copper lines can't even stream 4k without having dogshit bitrate

>>61603513
No one really cares about Vega anymore besides shitposters and 3.5 fanboys.

>>61578578
you already know how vega performs?

shit GIVE ME THE LOTTO NUMBERS

>>61603552
Cause the Vega turned out to be a huge pile of turd. There will be tears come announcement.

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>>61603560
I don't even know anymore.
Also GPUs are fucking boring right now.

>>61603576
>Also GPUs are fucking boring right now.
We are not here for the actual hardware. We are here for the shitposting.

>>61603582
Yes.
I mean V100 with its meme cores would be interesting if not the die size.
Maybe RTG will pull MCM GPU out of their asses in some two years to make GPU market interesting again.
Just look what EPYC did to server CPU market.

>whole thread assumes AMD is that stupid after stellar ryzen/epyc procedure of fucking intel over

GPU threads collect even more retarded people than intelvsamd threads.

>>61603600
>Poor Volta
Yeah they are that stupid

>>61603600
That's nothing, I've seen GPU thread with 300+ posts and only 17 IPs.

>>61603608
>the only Volta SKU is 815mm^2 abortion that would be murdered violently by cheap 30w ASICs
Nvidia doing a P40 refresh would make more sense than that abortion.

>>61603626
We will see who does the murdering over the weekend shall we.

>>61603608
well, they killed 70% of quadro market with VegaFE
can imagine wx vega murders even p6000
FE is perfect gamedev card, specially for small/medium studios.

>>61603633
Source: My anus

>>61603633
It's honestly a shame jacketman turned Titans into toys.
GK110 Titans were so nice.
>>61603632
TPU2 already murders it in training.
We don't know anything about Crest Lake yet.

>>61603608
and what are you thinking that the volta nvidia released is actually the volta they were talking about a year ago?

tl dr volta as per nvidia will have a HARDWARE SC and that v100 doesnt have one its literally a rebranded pascal which was a rebranded maxwell 2.0 which was a rebranded maxwell 1.0 which is a kepler without a hardware sc

>>61603646
No, the source is g*rman THG.

>>61603655
I am talking actual murdering like setting people house on fire with a Vega heater.

>>61603660
Kekler also lacked hardware SC.
>>61603673
You should probably stop shitposting.

>>61603660
Here comes the excuses.
People like you is why I can't wait for the weekend.

>>61603677
>You should probably stop shitposting.
Make me. I look forward to hearing more excuses over the weekend

>>61603677
it had one but a very basic doing just 2 things
>>61603680
excuses stating the obvious? there are 2 possibilities
either /g/ is full of guru's suddenly
or beyond3d a place full of engineers from both nvidia and amd are morons and dont know shit about the cards as much as /g/ does

pick one

>>61603680
tier 3 vega - $350
tier 2 vega - $400
tier 1 vega - $650

every tier will be 10% above respective nvidia offerings. I don't think it's enough though, it needs to be 30% above to compete until 2019.

>>61603680
Excuses for what?
Jacketman doing 815mm^2 die?
AMD, Intel, Google and Fujitsu are entering meme learning market.
815mm^2 dies are not going to stop that.

>>61603702
>>61603705
>>61603706
>More AMD excuses
This weekend is going to be so good.
Looking forward to your tears and post in the announcement thread.

>>61603720
I don't think Fujitsu, Google and Intel are AMD subsidiaries.

>>61603720
i dont think you even understood my post what so ever

>>61603720
are you the same guy that prophesied ryzen going to start at $800? and everyone was telling you that it will start at $300 tops $350.

>>61603738
he must be tripfag's little brother that has info from barkleys

you know just like barkleys used intel's slides to justify a price drop on amd stock 2 weeks ago and never came..

>>61603753
>>61603738
Only AMD fanboys have a victim complex that they drag an CPU issue into a GPU thread.

someone talks about volta
someone else brings the fact that the current volta isnt the volta nvidia talked about
someone else attacks him on something completely unrelated
typical /g/

>>61581291
They are doing the same for HDMI by the way, adaptive sync will apparently be part of the HDMI 2.1 spec

>>61603799
>someone else brings the fact that the current volta isnt the volta nvidia talked about
I think that is called sandbagging. Something AMD fanboys like to say RTG is doing.

>>61603815
>I think that is called sandbagging. Something AMD fanboys like to say RTG is doing.
i think you should stop shitposting for 10 mins and google some words before you post

>>61603826
Cry more faggot.

>>61578610
>I would personally fly to Thailand and pay a ladyboy to fuck me in the ass
Sure, who wouldn't?

>>61603312
>the difference between 4k and 8k on a 26 inch monitor
Monitors and TV's are only one application.
But you are partly right - jumping from 4k to 8k will seem like a 25% improvement

Alot seem to think 4K is going to be the next 1080p, the next standard. 1080p became the standard after only a few years of 720p, and 1440p wasn't even on the radar for years after.

to go further
>>61602874
memes current gen VR, which is in it's extreme infancy

Right fucking now VR headets are 1080p and VR currently is a meme. It's barely more than a monitor strapped to your face.
The next generations of VR are going to be a different story - culminating in several VR generations in "True Immersion" VR - ie photorealism (and presumably going beyond the physical controller seen currently).
We're talking requirements past 8k, more like 16k. A TV or monitor is one thing, VR would be a different story, considering how close it needs to be to the eyes

8k is going to be the standard, the plateau for a long time - either that or 10k - as stated earlier the first 10k TV prototype was made in Q4 2015 and they are available for purchase and, and companies have dabbled in 11k and 12k.

8K TV's have gone from $70,000+ to $4,000.
8K Monitors are in that range as well.

8K is the future

>>61603513
No, it'll still be a meme, but that isn't going to stop me from shitting all over Team Green until AMD is the undisputed market leader.
I won't be happy until Nvidia is in the shitter and a rapidly failing Intel is forced to buy them to stay alive

>>61603956
>but that isn't going to stop me from shitting all over Team Green until AMD is the undisputed market leader.
Oh pajeet. I know you love shitting but come this weekend, you are the one getting shat on.

>>61603956
Dell has a $4,000 8K computer monitor right now available for sale.
It's only a matter mere months before shit is reverse engineered and China/Taiwan/Korea release an 8k for $1,000.
8K monitors will be be at current 4k pricing by 2019

>>61603987
I don't understand this pajeet shit, AMD and Nvidishit are both american companies.

I wouldn't call you a fucking street shitter, get some class man

>>61604042
Whatever you say Raja

>>61604049
>2017
>Wanting to see the Nvidijew and Intelijew fail makes a person a street shitter

>>61604042
/g/ hates pajeets because H1B labour took their jobs.

>>61604062
Nah. I don't give a fuck about Nvidia or Intel. I love see AMD fanboys cry because they are the most obnoxious bunch of posters on /g/ by a mile.

>>61604069
> took their jobs.
They need to take their neetbux so they either starve to death or start working.

>>61604073
That's because they had one, literally one astounding success after years of depression, glimmers of hope beaten down.


I'd rather have Nvidia and AMD be on par, offering each other good competition. At the very least AMD is beating Nvidia out on the lower end

>>61604069
Isn't Trump supposed to fix that, or is he still fighting that Russia crap? H1B's are a pretty big fucking threat to the middle class

>>61604073
AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU = god tier pairing.

Face it you know it, I know it.
Put a Ryzen and a 1080ti together and you just won the game

>>61604153
>At the very least AMD is beating Nvidia out on the lower end
Depends on what you define as beating. Sure they are selling out now but that is due to inflated demand from miners and despite Nvidia cards being in stock they are actually gaining intended market share vs AMD who are just selling to miners.

>>61604169
+ Intel NIC