If we get 1024 terrabytes by a few years from now I declare moore's

>I declare moore's law forever alive

how u make a transistor smaller than 1 atom tho

>>61552525
quantum physics, son

>>61552510
What are your credentials?

>>61552544
Either a bad bait or you misunderstood how it works

>>61552525
Get gordon freeman to do it

>>61552510
What does the size of transistors have to do with hard drive capacity though?
You really didn't think this through did you OP? Couldn't wait to shitpost I bet.

>>61552595
I really like se7en and shawshank redemption

>>61552525
You nigger they're working on trinary now

>>61552617
Hard drive made of transistor
Small transistor more capacity
????

>>61552938
>I know nothing about information theory

>>61552544
The large hard on collider can't even make quantum physics a legit science

>>61552525
We don't need to. We'll simply have the card act as a link between your device and some datacenter that actually holds the terabytes of data you were promised.

>>61552560
>quantum particles can exist at mutliple locations at once
>quantum transistors can store multiple bits at once
???

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>>61553534
You don't understand how quantum works

>>61553534
Not quite. It's weird but the best way to describe it is that if you went and measured the state of the particle, you'd find it could be in any of those states at once. But when you measure, it only has the one. The trick to quantum computing is not measuring and letting a system of particles be in a lot of states at once, running through a lot of possible calculations.

Oh, and you're not getting something as small as a microSD card. Nor a normal SD card. You need large equipment to measure the state, and you also need to keep it cold. Really, really cold.

>>61552544
Are you confusing it with quantum processors/computers?

If so, the TL;DR on that shit is that it requires near absolute zero temperatures. Even as the quantum computer "heart" itself gets smaller, the basic laws of thermodynamics get in the way of having cooling systems smaller than a 1960s IBM.

It is also about "doing" more, not "storing" more info. A quantum computer could be much faster at doing trial-by-error calculations, but it isn't going to hold more data in a conventional and immediately ascertainable file format.

At some point, you can only store more data by compression. Maybe in the near future the concept of "unzipping" could take a fraction of a second so that a 1000 TB file set takes up only 500-700 TB when not being used.

But really the need for more data has more to do with lazy unoptimization. You dont need uncompressed 8k movies on your phone. Most of us barely see the difference between a 1080p and a 1440p phone as is other than in certain 3D applications where more resolution is a proxy to Anti Aliasing. Most people older than 25 lack the ears to tell the difference between a .flac and an .mp3 with =/> 200kbps despite the audio equipment.

>>61553794
With quantum you could use hashing for "compression"
>hash the data
>check if any data of the same size could produce the same hash
>if so, find the smallest information unique for your set of data such as "it's divisible by this prime" or "156547 bit and 90 after are: ..."
>save the hash with length and any unique information
>to uncompress you have to just check every possible combination of data of given lenght, first against the hash, then against the unique info

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>>61552510
>moore's law
>technology will keep advancing until capitalists realize there isn't any more money to make through improvement and artificially stagnate the rate of advancement to maximize profits

The irony being that Moore co-founded Intel

Moore was a fucking Jew plant.

>>61554757
>wah capitalism sucks

You are free to name a better system you gay weeb

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Just wait until after the singularity

>>61556150
Communism

>>61556288
Communism doesn't work

>>61556317
idk China is doing pretty well

>>61553746
>Oh, and you're not getting something that will fit on your table. You need extensive vacuum tubes for the logic gates
this is how you sound bro

>>61556442
That's not how communism work, there is no free trade AT ALL in communism, no private property or enterprise.

>>61556288
hahahaha

>>61556524
Thanks for showing us the No True Scotsman rhetorical fallacy, Anon. Would you like to try for another?

>>61556442
I know the "that's not real communism" thing is a meme but china isn't communism.

>>61556442
China is command capitalism. It's one of two observable outcomes of the Marxist family of ideologies and it's very far away from the original intent.

>>61556561
It's not "no true Scotsman" if the individual calling himself Scottish isn't.

>>61556659
yeah, he just was born in Scotland and has Scottish parents, but he's no true Scotsman based on diagrams written on paper and never put into practice verbatim

>>61556442
fuck off to china then,
you won't be able to post on here anymore

>>61556615
>>61556618
>>61556727

cool stories bros

>>61556727
btw, lol u mad bro?

I'm an anarchist, but I enjoy Truth for it's own sake, so triggering lying propaganda gobbling faggots like you is extremely satisfying.

>>61556442

>gutter oil
>organ harvesting
>people shitting on public, even in foreign countries
>people ignoring a ran over dying child in broad daylight
>10x more polluted than LA
>insanely corrupt
>shit infrastructure
>backstabbing culture
>China is doing fine

lmao

>>61556823
>>61556915
>Projecting this fucking hard

>>61556442
>China is doing pretty well

google "economic bubble" and you'll understand

>>61556150
>wah corporatism sucks
ftfy, the US hasn't been capitalist since the 60s

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>>61556981
>China has a monopoly on horrific shit going down
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/immigrants-dead-lorry-170723140357531.html

Fuck off.

>>61557128
The problem with corporatism is that the people running the corps get all of the benefits of Capitalism, but none of the responsibilities. My only problem with Capitalism is the unaccounted externalities.

>>61557141

>dead criminals
>a bad thing

>>61553794
Quantum storage is a thing anon.

>>61552510
> buy a 128 gb microsd
> it fucking dies two weeks later because of write limit

COOL!

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>>61557276
>so long as they are brown people, victims are criminals in Trump's AmeriKKKa

DYK that the punishment for existing in the wrong place is death?

Fuck your borders, fascist scum.

>>61556561
look up the definition of communism retard

>>61557377
god i love trump

8 years fag

>>61557421
No. Stop existing in your idealized crystal palace and wake up to smell the Peking Duck, faggot.

>>61557465
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

you can start here, brainlet, then read some marx, engels and lenin

>>61552525

moore's law is really getting x transistors for y dollars where x doubles every 18 months

>>61556823

China literally had decades of shit economic growth and famines until market reforms were enacted and coastal cities turned into free for all capitalism.

>>61557459
I don't care. Trump is only a blustery boat anchor on the inevitability of progressive politics so that the parasitical mafia-owned insurance businesses can figure out how to exploit Obamacare for a few more years before we transition to a true Medicare for All system. He can't even craft a legal Executive Order.

Trump will do nothing but waste time and make the idiots you got out to the polls, due to the racist nigger-in-charge panic, complacent again. 8 years is nothing in politics.

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>>61557141
>mexican bringing mexicans over the border
>they die in a hot truck
>somehow this is supposed to reflect poorly on americans

That is actually a good case for tighter border controls

>>61557491
>this kills the marxist

>>61557524
>Still actually trying to make this argument.

China had just come out of the collapse of an Imperial dynasty and being actually anally raped en masse by the Wappanese and you really think a few Special Economic Zones is actually the source of their current prosperity?

>>61557543
>>61557491
>FORBES MAGAZINE SAYS CHINA IS ACKSHUALLY CAPITALIST
>STATE CAPITALISM!!!
>IT IS ALL CAPITALISM NO MATTER WHAT!

kekekeke ^_^. do you realize how up your own ass you actually are, desu?

>>61557592
>try to reform economy by making pig iron
>millions die
>try to reform the economy by having a social revolution
>millions die
>decide to start passing market reforms
>economy starts growing at 10% yoy

Gee I dunno

And those 'few' zones are basically all of china now in practice.

>>61557666
>kekekeke ^_^. do you realize how up your own ass you actually are, desu?

What is a market economy then?

there is no such thing as capitalism with a state monopoly on violence. its all communism

>>61557709
Communism can use whatever tool necessary to maintain a harmonious state, Anon. Giving people a sense of economic freedom and the ability to independently innovate while the actually significant means of production are controlled by the state is a good idea.

>>61557692
>pig iron example
Mao wasn't perfect, but China is still China today because of the Communist Party, instead of being carved up by the Western Imperialists like the Middle East and Africa. A state controlled market economy is still Communism.

>>61553746
>>61556486
This

Sure, you need that NOW, but ten fifteen years in the future, who knows.

>>61557692

are the means of production in the hands of the proletariat?
no

is the society classless?
no

=> not communism

>>61552525
>moores law is about transistor size
brainlets everyone

>>61557922
>No True Scotsman again

Marx's Communism is a Utopian dream. You need to temper your pedantic semantic ideals with reality, Anon. Politics isn't a good clean fight.

>>61557922
meant for >>61557666

>>61557922
>is the society classless?
>no
even ignoring all the other problems of communism, if you're going to argue this is a requirement then its fucking impossible.

you're never going to make a classless society because there will always be people naturally better at things than others.

>>61557964
clearly you dont understand what no true scotsman means - i suggest you look it up first before using

the definition of communism is clear and china isn't communist

find another name to describe it, claiming its communism is demonstrably and provably false

>>61557982
obviously, since communism is retarded bullshit from the very beginning

nevertheless, it doesnt justify calling countries with market and very clear and sharp distiction of bourgeoisie-worker (more than in so-called capitalist western countries), communist

>>61557960
>transistor size isnt related to sd card capacity

>>>/out/

>>61552938
*ternary

>>61557992
So, China is not communist enough to count as True Communism, even though they call themselves communist and have state controlled industries and have more than a billion people living in a heavily planned economy with limited personal freedoms?

>implying any of you bitchtits know enough about economics or socialism to make any judgment

>>61557821
>Giving people a sense of economic freedom and the ability to independently innovate while the actually significant means of production are controlled by the state is a good idea.

There are a host of capitalist economies that do this. It is also literally what facist economic policy was - interestingly an ideology that positioned itself as a third economic way between communism and capitalism.

Communism is fundamentally an economic system that has taken on the political trappings of everything else under the sun.

Also the communist destroyed a massive amount of chinese culture and especially art. Mao wanted a social revolution to 'cleanse' the nation of the old ways to make true socialism a possibility.

This is why so many wealthy chinese are buying up all the chinese art on the western market that they can - there simply isnt a lot actually left in china thanks to the commies.

>>61557922

Pretty much

>>61557982

This is one of the core tenants of communism though

>>61557128
>any capitalism that sucks isn't real capitalism
Same logic that the commies use.

>>61556150
Imagine National Socialism, but instead of killing the Jews, we put them in charge.

>>61558063

This could just as easily describe mussolinis italy, minus a few hundred million people.

State controlled industries are common in clearly capitalist countries.

The US has varies 'levers' it can pull to try and manage the economy.

Lastly, is a country a democracy just because they say they are? Are african nations that have been lead by one guy for 26+ years who is the only one on the ballot and gets 99% of the vote every time really count as democracies?

>>61558157
the unholy market

>>61558157
>but instead of killing the Jews, we put them in charge.
willful slavery then, you can just go live in israel and get started right away.

>>61557982
Yeah, but that's not what happens in a society with classes. In a society with classes, people who are stupid and useless, but born into the higher class still get power.

See: Trump.

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Haha why don't we just make processors bigger like why we gotta use such small chips for real nigga haha

>>61558174
That's my point. China is communist because it doesn't need to be True Communism to be communist. It's about focus and governing intent, not about perfect adherence to some Utopian ideological purity.

>>61554039
not an option. Multiple different data can produce the same hash, be same length and be divisible by the same prime. You can't really compress the data than its redundancy

>>61558279
>governing intent,

Which is really for the communist party to keep itself in power, nothing more.

>>61557372
This. These high capacity USBs and TF cards fail so fucking quick. Anything over 16GB will most likely fail sooner than later.

>>61553534
stop posting

>>61556486
do you understand the physical limitations behind heat and cooling?
take a thermodynamics class and kill yourself

>>61556207
Why would you need that much space?

>>61556207
1080p cam rips

>>61558970
>>61558710

>>61558710
As greater storage capacity becomes more readily available files will get bigger

>>61552544
quantum computing and quantum physics are not to be confused

moore's law is the most abstract law in science

>>61552510
2005 pic looks better quality

>>61552560
I think by quantum physics he meant the natural ~10 nm limit of transistor separation before they start experiencing quantum tunneling

>>61552510
SD raid drives are the future

>>61552510

why are they still rounding to cylinder (chs) on SSD?

>>61559419
It doesn't mean it was taken in 2005 retard

>>61558710
>wind back to 1980
>1GB? Why would you need that much space?

>>61552510
Micro SD cards are a meme, a bit like blu ray

>>61554039
thats bascially kolmogorov complexity

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>>61558710

why wouldn't you?

>>61552525
magic

>>61558252
I'm actually genuinely curious why this isn't a thing in desktops. Is this not done due to latency or something?

>>61561036
If you put the same number of transistors in a large area, it literally is a latency issue

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>>61553534

>>61557377
>Fuck your borders

that's not how it works, dickhead

>>61558710
4M video with 1024bit color depth and 192Mhz lossless audio.

My autism requires only the most ridiculously encoded asian cartoons.

>>61558037
>transistor size is the only variable pertaining to the computation or storage capacity of particular ICs

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>>61558252
>>61561036
You're curious about why this isn't a thing, but you don't know how computers work at all.

CPUs are integrated circuits which perform particular instructions given a particular signal, called opcodes. These instructions are in the form of a circuit embedded within the CPU.
The logic behind those instructions are well defined circuits such as half-adders or full-adders that can be looked up online, and are intended to transform a particular input into a particular output on a truth table.
The smaller the circuit--meaning the less logic gates it contains, and the closer together those logic gates are--the faster it will run.

So, if you managed to follow all the way through, you can see why making the processor "larger" makes no sense. There is no reason why making a processor bigger would provide any performance gains.

What engineers do to improve performance are many-fold. Electrical engineers and materials scientists will try to decrease the size of transisters. They will invent logical tricks to perform more computation within a given space. They invented CPU pipelining to make use of circuits that aren't currently in use. Branch prediction so that they wouldn't have to flush the CPU pipeline on a successful branch.
Vector instructions to parallelize calculations going on at the same time. Transform well-known and commonly used algorithms, such as SHA-1 and H.264 decode into ASICs and embed them into the CPU to make these algorithms run faster. Fabricate circuits in 3 dimensions to further decrease the space between transistors. Use supercomputers to calculate where each individual transistor should be placed to minimize the circuit size.

Creating integrated circuits such as CPUs and SD cards is an exercise in thinking out of the box and using the resources that are already available to you.

>>61557821
but isn't the point of communism to give the means of production to the people?

>>61558710
Why wouldn't i need that much space?
you sir need to start thinking outside the box

>>61563473
Making it larger would let you cram more into it. Or maybe it'd be cheaper. Obviously, bigger without any changes is not an improvement. I was asking if latency was an issue. You didn't need to type a book.

>>61563620
>cram more into it
If you understood what I wrote, the question you would have is "cram what into it?"
It's precisely that you can't cram more in there that you can't make CPUs any bigger than they already are. In the first place, they are already exactly the size they need to be, because the engineers thought that there wasn't anything left to put in.
>you didn't need to type a book
I typed out a book because the question requires background. How can anyone understand the answer if they don't know even the foundational material on the subject? Pearls before swine.

>>61563490
In practice, communism is a masquerade for oligarchy. No exceptions thus far.

>>61564162
>a masquerade for oligarchy
yeah it's basically Fascism without the honesty

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If moore's law is dead then how did the size of sd cards double?

>>61563473
>The smaller the circuit--meaning the less logic gates it contains, and the closer together those logic gates are--the faster it will run.
This is where I lost you.

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Well, OP, pic related is the largest I could find on Amazon. 2024 is still far away so there's hope of achieving 1024TB by then.

>>61566508

1024TB on a micro sd card in 2024 sounds ridiculous

>>61567305
Yeah. What's more likely to happen is that by 2024, a 4TB card would cost 500, and this 1TB one costs around 150.

64GBs cards will be today's 16GB, for the average customer.

>>61558252
>>61561036
Yields fall as chip size and processing steps increase. If you make a chip too large or add too many layers of metal, you'll be lucky to get a single good die out of a wafer.

>>61566050
Capacitance is proportional to area. Smaller devices will have smaller areas, therefore reach their activation points more quickly when their inputs change. Also, fewer layers of logic will naturally be faster than more layers, which is another motivation for pipelining.

>You can't make them bigger!
>Rizen literally glues X cpus together and it works
The real problem is the propagation speed of electric current at 3-4 ghz relative to size (+ stabilization times and such)

>>61553794
An 8k uncompressed movie would be over 170 terabytes

>>61563490
What do you think is happening in Shenzen right now?

>>61567467
>Capacitance is proportional to area.
Got it now, thanks.

>>61552525
>how u make a transistor smaller than 1 atom tho
Just make the memory cards bigger.

>>61567598
Just make the atoms smaller.

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this'll be the next raspberry pi I swear

>>61557821
>Mao wasn't perfect
Mao was a loon.

>>61568552
I don't get it

>>61556207
I wanna put that in my phone

>>61552525
s-split the atom!

DNA storage

>>61569106
make the transistor not from ATOMS but from the ELEMENTS THAT MAKE THAT THERE ATOM!!!

>>61569410
no.
>take transistor atom
>split it in two
>have two half sized transistor atoms
>....
>profit