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>>61463785
Do you think Steve Jobs would allow this monstrosity?

>>61463821
jobs would cut them off at 5 desu
the half glass half metal approach is unclean
and the current design reeks of compromised design
camera bumps, plastic antenna lines, jobs would've ripped off jony's head if he saw this

>>61463785
>CNC machined shell
Fucking hell that must cost a lot.
There's a reason CNC machining is hardly used in consumer products.

Looks exactly like my xiaomi redmi 4x
Other than that whats the problem here?

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>>61463857
yea iphone have gotten pretty ugly.
Nothin sets them apart anymore. They look like every other HTC/Samsung phone.

Actually thats wrong Samsungs current flagships are a lot more distinctive in design.
iPhone SE is the only iphone that still looks like.. an iPhone

>>61463896
It's fine, they will just bump up the price to $1400 per iPhone.

>no headphone jack
it's a failure already

at least the camera bump is vertical which in the mind of applel users it means they will need to film landscape for the camera to be "straight"

>>61463785
Isn't it just normal rough CNC router finish for surfaces that are not crucial to anything?

>>61463857
>camera bumps, plastic antenna lines, jobs would've ripped off jony's head if he saw this

Yep, this is pretty clearly a cost cutting measure imho (comething cook loves)

And by that I mean they had a design pretty close to complete, realized 'oh shit we dont have enough space for this since it had to be revised" and rather then redesigning things they just go and add a bump.

>>61463896

I wonder how long until we see forged phones

>>61464007
>I wonder how long until we see forged phones
Never gonna happen. I imagine we'll probably see DMLS-synthesized shells fairly soon though.

>>61463904
Are you retarded or mentally challenged?

>>61463857
>the half glass half metal approach is unclean
They basically tried to copy the award winning and critically acclaimed design of the Sony Xperia1, Xperia2, and Xperia3.

what's the reason the shells have those lines?

>>61464314
Speed lines. Makes the phone go faster.

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>>61464314
They're carved out using what are essentially drill bits, those lines are the spaces in between each pass. Usually they're cleaned up afterwards, but there's no point since its and internal face.

>>61464314
Heat dissipation

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>>61463785
>not using the bigass Appel logo for the fingerprint scanner
>STILL no wireless charging

>>61464121
xperias never had metal backs, idiot

>>61463896
They've been cnc'ing macbooks since 2008 anon

>>61464827
And it's still a huge waste of money

>>61464868
>he can't afford a macbook

>>61464357
I'm surprised they are milling and not just stamping. For such a shitty part stamp Al is easy

>>61464868
And yet they've made it work at scale for hundreds of millions of parts per year.

>>61464884
Poor tolerances.

>>61464877
I'm talking about the process itself.
>>61464894
Just because it works doesn't mean it's a good idea.

>>61464899
http://atomicdelights.com/blog/why-your-next-iphone-wont-be-ceramic

Interesting article on why Apple went down the Al CNC route. The future is probably using LiquidMetal + injection molding

>>61464894
They aren't milling the whole piece including bottom parts, button holes, etc
That would require fine milling and aot of work for such shitty part.
If they are taking solid aluminium slabs and milling all shape it's a very dump way of doing, but apple can throw money and charge even more.

>>61464006
That's not a rough finish anon, it just looks that way due to them using a tiny fucking endmill and leaving a lot of multidirection tooling marks. You'll see that with literally any tool unless it's big enough to cut the entire face at once. That said, I'm really curious why it was roughed and finished with such a small tool. A larger one should be able to do the job much faster and just leave a few thousandths for the smaller endmill to clean up at a very rapid pace.

t. CNC machinist

>>61464943
But they are though.

>An iPhone however, starts as a block of aluminum and is faced, milled, drilled, tapped, and de-burred in a bevy of machining operations, getting passed (mostly by hand, but increasingly by robot arm) through a series of mills, each set-up with precision fixtures that hold one side of the phone to face the spindle. Just the interior cavity of an iPhone requires 3-4 minutes of takt time while micro end mills carve out the tiny details and features that the interior components will locate against and fasten to. Just that one operation requires 3000 CNC mills to meet the 1 million per day demand. Add more machines to do the other sides of the phone, plus the crazy high-tech multi-axis lathes that make the buttons, plus production for iPads,and iMacs, and MacBooks, and Watches, and many of the accessories.

>This high cycle time is why Apple is the world's largest owner of CNC milling machines and swiss style lathes. Rumors are that the number is around 40,000 with about half dedicated to iPhone production. I've seen pictures of one shop with acres of Fanuc Robodrills making iPhones, and that was only one of about a dozen such facilities. Apple is such a huge buyer of a particular kind of mill (BT30 spindle drill-tap centers) that Fanuc, Brother and DMG Mori each have factories dedicated to building machines exclusively for Apple.

>>61464932
Metal injection / mould is problematic due what kind of mold you can use.
For several metals you need ceramic and you can't blow like plastics.

>>61464943
> it's a very dump way of doing,

another genius is among us.

>>61464943
And to add, this has been happening since they made the unibody macbook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxbiIpXZfG8

>>61464979
I thought the whole idea behind using that liquidmetal alloy was that it was easy to work with?

>>61463785

this obviously an amature knock up from the cad files that got released... any colledge student could do that...

>>61463785
>what is electromagnetic induction?
https://www.google.ch/patents/US20140176282

dipshits...

Ive got lazy after Jobs died and they gave him too much power in the company.

>>61464963
That is insane.
Damn it's possible, but it amaze me that they do this, it's clearly a case of over engineering turned into a luxury. Particularly I'm not found of aluminum and how it's prone to dent or bent.

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>>61463785
Where is this from?
Then again, this is better than 3D face detection.
I really hoped they could get one under that glass, but that'll be the quirk in next year's iPhone.

>>61465096
It's insane, but in an awesome way.
It's sad that no other computer company cares enough about their products to have this level of attention.

>>61465096
Yeah, it's pretty fucking amazing that Apple is literally the world leader in high volume, high precision aluminium parts.

You have to remember that they are a design focused high margin company to begin with. Samsung stuck with plastic for so long until the market forced them to move to more """premium""" materials

>>61463785
>>61463821
>>61463857
I never thought i would say this, but i genuinely miss Steve Jobs now.

>>61464762
Iphone will never have wireless charging on flagships because they won't use plastic.

>>61463857
>>61465185
It's likely Steve signed off on the 5/5s design though

>>61465003

They made the unibody to reduce failure points?

But the most common failures are shit thermal paste and the AC adapter connector.

>>61465130
It's overkill and a reason to charge more. It doesn't make it "higher quality", just fancier.

>>61465547
>It doesn't make it "higher quality"
You've never worked with CNC mills before, have you?
This makes it really high quality. The shit I'd have to CNC was always fucking top notch.

>>61465547
>It's overkill and a reason to charge more. It doesn't make it "higher quality", just fancier.

child logic.

>>61464006
Fingerprint sensor on the back means that Apple joins HTC and Samsung at failing to embed the sensor into the display.

Maybe next year.

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What would happen if Apple decided to cast these parts instead?

What if they decided to use cast iron instead?

>>61465849
>What would happen if Apple decided to cast these parts instead?
It would be exponentially cheaper with little to no difference in quality.

>What if they decided to use cast iron instead?
It would be really fucking heavy and would have to be touched up with a CNC machine because iron is a bit tough to be sandblasting.

>>61465849
>What if they decided to use cast iron instead?
It'd weigh a million pounds and rust in high humidity.

Injection molded steel would be the better option over casted or machined metal. Much stronger, better life span, lighter.

>>61464357
>essentially drill bits

no. just no. they are endmills

>>61466004
Yeah, and they're essentially drill bits.

They don't have the spade tip, and they're extremely hard, but other than that they're basically just drill bits.

>>61465547
>If Apple is doing something it MUST be bad.
Why are these so many of these faggots on /g/?

>>61466038
>essentially drill bits
No.
A drill bit has a critical feature. It has to drill into something.

End mills can't drill into anything. Their bits are designed to tear away the top part of a material.

>>61466038
I guess pens are essentially just crayons? i guess dogs are essentially just monkeys? i guess cars are essentially just bicycles? I guess spaghetti is essentially just strawberries?

>>61466125
>end mills can't drill into anything
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNC_plunge_milling

>>61466197
Wrong. It doing exactly what I said, tearing away the top layer of a piece of material.
Conversely, drill bits burrow INTO a material.

>>61466197
surely you realize youre retarded, right? I mean, you must be trolling at this point, right ya cunt?

>>61466221
>>61466257
Nice arguments.
No point arguing my fact with backed up source.

>>61466331
You're vomiting verbal diarrhea.
Take your autism elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_mill
>[An end mill] is distinguished from the drill bit in its application, geometry, and manufacture.
>While a drill bit can only cut in the axial direction, a milling bit can generally cut in all directions, though some cannot cut axially.

>>61466355
>>While a drill bit can only cut in the axial direction, a milling bit can generally cut in all directions, though some cannot cut axially.
so it's a better drill bit

>>61466365
>inb4 "I was just pretending to be an idiot"

>End mills are used in milling applications such as profile milling, tracer milling, face milling, and plunging.

>Drill bits are cutting tools used to remove material to create holes

Milling != drilling holes.

>>61466331
see
>>61466186


just because theyre both metal and spin does not mean one is essentially just the other

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>>61463785
7 speaker holes instead of 8 (for the iphone 8(hate) )

steve woud never allow this.

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>>61464963
Apple's attention to detail is incredible.

This is how they made the Apple Watch
http://atomicdelights.com/?offset=1428565283700

>>61466374
>false equivalencies
>quoting yourself as source
Fuck off

>>61466399
>Actually retarded.
I'd tell you to fuck off, but you probably need a mental health counselor to help.

>>61466399
>projecting this hard

you are all a bunch of faggots. try doing something besides being shills

>>61466406
>>61466414
>can't properly argue
>resorts to petty insults and projection
Nope, it is you that's retarded.

>>61466446
>>can't properly argue
You mean like how you can't address >>61466373 that milling =/= holes?

>>61466373
>Milling != drilling holes.
but you can drill holes with an end mill

>>61466473
You can also build a bridge with enough cars.
Doesn't mean that it's designed to do that, numbnuts.

>>61466497
It doesn't have to be.

>>61466473
you mean you can mill holes with an end mill

>>61466473
>>61466508
Here's another source for your spazzing ass.

>>61466510
there is no difference between milling a hole and drilling a hole, both cut material away in chips.
>>61466513
you just quoted me twice

>>61466513
jesus fucking christ, here: http://www.camaster.com/how-to-tell-an-end-mill-from-a-drill-bit/

>>61466525
I'm not saying they're the exact same thing, I'm saying that because an end mill can do a drill bit's job and more, it is ---- in essence ---- a better drill bit. It works on the same principle, it looks basically identical, it's just made of HSS and has slightly different topology.

>>61466510
You can try, but you'll eventually ruin the tip.
Anyone who's worked in a machine shop knows end mills are for horizintal cutting, and drill are obviously for fucking drilling.

Also, you can't just slap an end mill into a drill and go to town. You need a massive machine to hold the bit steady as you cut sideways.

>>61466541
>I'm not saying they're the exact same thing
>Yeah, and they're essentially drill bits.
Stop splitting hairs, faggot.

>>61466553
>guy splitting hairs over something that is clearly similar being called similar says to stop splitting hairs
oh the irony

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>>61466570
>similiar
>milling is equal to drilling
you've never got your hands dirty, have you buddy?

>>61466583
are you mentally deficient?

obviously not all milling is the exact same thing as drilling a hole, but, and pay attention here because this is where I lost you last time: milling a circular hole via plunge-cutting with an end mill is the exact same thing as drilling a hole with a drill bit.

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>>61466602

>>61466541
>it is ---- in essence ---- a better drill bit.
absolutely not. if anything, you are the exact opposite of being correct.

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>>61466612
>i have no argument so I'm just going to post reaction images
word

>>61466617
but it is though and you're wrong

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>>61466620
>not only am I utterly ignorant of something I have no experience doing, I will also post an image of an anime girl

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>>61466640
>anyone who disagrees with me on this minor facet of my hobby obviously has no experience with it

>>61463785
What about it? Is there a problem?

>>61466665
it's just a huge waste

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>>61466653
>now I'm posting underaged anime girls
>implying anybody can afford a hobby CNC milling
yeah, my buddy down the street has three industrial german mills too.
we use them every once in a while, for shits and giggles.

>>61466602
youre wrong

are dremels also drill bits?
how about circular saws; are those drill bits?
is a grinding wheel a drill bit?
oh a bandsaw, thats definitely essentially just a drill bit

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>>61466683
i do it as a hobby. i just rent machine time locally instead of buying my own $30,000 mill.

>>61466632
drill bits plunge axially

mills typically move perpendicularly

they are literally the exact opposite

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>>61466706
>i do it as a hobby
yeah I'm sure you do.
Did you know my dad works at Nintendo?

>>61466678
Compared to what? They've been doing it since forever.

>>61466714
end mills can also plunge axially though, thus, they are better drill bits
>>61466718
what's so hard to believe about that? or are you some inner city mook who can barely afford his rent?

>>61466742
it would be exponentially cheaper to cast and clean.

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>>61466743
>what's so hard to believe about that? or are you some inner city mook who can barely afford his rent?
And did you know that I have an uncle who's a top level manager at EA?

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>>61466764
?

>>61466757
You really think they're not doing that just because they're stupid and don't know any better?

>>61466772
no, i think they're doing it because they can afford to burn money and someone told them it was better.

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>>61466473
You can drill holes with all drills but not plunge mill with all mills dumbass
Not only that the mechanics of the process are entirely different
t. Metalworker for 10 years

>>61466811
the mechanics of the process are not different. they both cut away material in chips via rotating the shear plane and applying pressure.

>>61466784
That's basically the same thing, though. It is naive to think that what might well be the world's single highest-volume manufacturing company with throngs of in-house production process experts wouldn't realize very substantial process optimization opportunities.

>>61466842
then there has to be some other explanation for their inadequacies because it would be more efficient to cast and clean.

>>61466829
>they both cut away material in chips
i guess lasers and drills are "essentially the same" then.

>>61466864
>random anon on /g/ knows better than apple how to manufacture their products

>>61466883
>>61466703
>>61466186
not an argument

>>61466864
Why do you think so to begin with? Casting requires cooling and proper annealing, and you still have to clean up the same surfaces. Sure, there's less material to remove, but it's not like iPhones are extremely thick or anything.

>>61466905
Also not an argument.

>>61466864
Good luck getting accurate measurements within a few thousandths with casting

>>61463785
>all that machining
The fuck? Why not just MIM it? It's good enough for small parts on guns, it should be good enough for the case of a phone.

>>61463785
so the apple will have rainbow colors?
and the digital key is on the back (optimized screen size (full))

i want that gay iPhone already

>>61466784
milled aluminum is stronger than cast you dense fuck

>>61466910
Less wasted material the entire point. they're wasting SO MUCH aluminum milling it all out. The walls may not be thick, but you have to remember that to mill it out, they need to start with a solid billet.

>>61466921
that's a fair point, but I still believe it would be much better to do rough casts and machine to final dimensions, as is done for most mass-produced cast parts.

>>61466938
>not having a forged toolsteel phone frame

pleb

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>>61466938
>the back half of my iphone NEEDS to be milled otherwise it won't be strong enough!

>>61466954
>wasting SO MUCH aluminum
You think they're just throwing the chips into the landfill when they're done with them?

>>61464357
End mills are not drills. You can try to drill with an end mill, but you will fuck the bit up and scorch the work piece.

t - worked in a machine shop

>>61466954
You might as well cast a solid block of aluminium by then which is exactly what they use for machining

>>61464762
Using the logo for the fingerprint scanner is actually a brilliant idea. They probably have not thought of it yet.

>>61463896
CNC anon here

If its line CNC work with robots and shit, and can be mainly automated with one machine, one tool, then its not too expensive, especially in the numbers Apple would order them in.

Now if its one machine multiple tool, then yeah, these are expensive because they take a lot of time to make. And flat parts are not an easy thing to make on something like a rotary transfer machine, which would be faster.

Knowing how china runs their shit CNC wise, these are probably just as cheap as any other stamped phone body and probably cheaper than the glass backings.

The only thing that makes me think it might be more expensive is cleaning. You cant toss several thousand of those in a big pangborn blast sander, you gotta do line blasting or individual blasting. Which is pricy.

>>61466973
You think they're completely recovered? Machine shops are dirty places and you have to spend energy to melt the metal back into ingots.

>>61466973
You can't melt down tiny chips with anywhere near perfect returns, tiny metal flakes have a tendency to burn up rather than melt.

>>61466987
>but you will fuck the bit up and scorch the work piece.
maybe if you're bad.

>>61466995
It takes longer to mill out a large cavity than it does to cast the same part cavity already gone. it also saves material.

>>61467037
>maybe if you're bad.
There's been at least 5 different anons pointing out how you're wrong.
I guess it takes an idiot to not realize that you're wrong.

>>61466965
its milled and still isnt strong enough

>>61463785
BACK FINGERPRINT READER
Just like my chinese android phones.

>>61467066
sure it is, just stop bending your phone.

>>61467063
I will acknowledge that I'm wrong only if I'm wrong, which I am not.

>>61467037
Curious. What would be your feed and speed for a 3/4" end mill drilling straight through 304 stainless.

>>61466927
This, or just make it out of decent polymer.

>>61467074
what if it's a screen?
like a clock?
or a fast effect one?

>>61465139
Yes exactly. More than systems, they are luxury products. Costs are high but margins even higher.
Said that, I used some iPhones and seen disassembled. Touch feel style, iPhones looks pretty much similar to other metal casings, and like others feel fragile to the point you can bend it with hands.
I get aluminum is sleak, don't corrode and is very light but it always feel as inferior material, especially for a luxury products. That is why you don't have luxury aluminium clocks, but having steel or other material would make phones even heavier.

>>61467085
>just stop bending your phone.
plastic doesnt have this problem

>>61467085
>I will acknowledge that I'm wrong only if I'm wrong, which I am not.
Said every idiot ever.

>>61467037
Mate you cant drill with an end mill safely, especially not for an extended period of time. They are not designed to have pressure put down on them for too long, they cut things out with their side edges, their tips are just meant to make quick holes to get to the level theyre supposed to be at, and even then its safer to use a regular drill to make a guide hole.

Skill has nothing to do with it, by all means i could make my haas use a step drill for just about anything, ive literally used one to make external threads before, but thats not what its meant for and shouldnt be used that way.

also the dual cam is vertical now, and it feel better like that

>>61467094
Depends on the hardness of the steel and the lubricant I'm using. As I stated before, I'm a hobbyist, I don't jot down one-size-fits-all rules for feed rate per material, I start working and if it starts going awry I take a step back and adjust my technique.

That said, because stainless steel work-hardens I prefer not to work with it, so I don't have much experience with it.

>>61467094
fuck you lifk divide 304 by .75 right? so like 500 inches per foot?

>>61467037
Except casting a part with a cavity reduces structural integrity due to the crystal lattice formation during cooling
That's why they cast big shit or unimportant parts

>>61467134
What the fuck

>>61467132
>I don't know, the post
But we already knew you were an uninformed idiot

>>61465217
there's already tech that allows for wireless charging through metal. but with apple and QC's latest dispute I doubt they're doing that
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/07/28/qualcomm-becomes-first-company-enable-wireless-charging-mobile-devices

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>>61467169
what a big shot you are

>>61466771
>broken tea cups
>smug as a motherfucker
That bitch

>>61466186
For object oriented programming, yes and kek.

>>61467174
If you use just one of QC's patents you have to subscribe to their Big-Bag-of-IP.
Apple are funding their manufacturers' legal bills in this case so QC are hoping for an out-of-court settlement.

>>61463857
this

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>>61463785
That actually looks high quality lol

>>61464943
Milling is a superior manufacturing technique compared to stamping. It's downside is that it's expensive and time consuming.

>>61463906
why are yankies making anything but the actual good design

>>61464091
>Same speaker position
>Same charger position
>Same fingerprint reader location
>Same camera location

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>a thread about applel turns into an argument about cnc'ing

bravo /g/

>>61463785
Guess this means no wireless charging, still.

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>>61463896
>There's a reason CNC machining is hardly used in consumer products.
what is every other flagship phone?

>>61469583
Don't forget
>no headphone jack
>apple logo
So your phone has a CNC milled piece on it as well?

>>61470008
It has a metal back, what does it matter if its milled or bent?

>>61467094
Using an end mill as a drill on 304 would be stupid. It'd fuck up the end mill pretty quickly and just be a waste of money, and my boss wouldn't hesitate to call someone a retard for doing it. I don't even do it with 1018 steel. It works well with plastics, aluminum, brass, and other soft materials.

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>>61463785

Cute, looks nice but I would prefer polycarb phone.

>>61463785
Let me guess,cheapo hass did this.

I'd imagine Steve Jobs would've agreed with this. He was into all that zen and feng shui stuff.

>>61465643
Good catch

>>61463857
>plastic antenna lines
These are unavoidable, you can try to hide it, but there's no better way to embed a capable antenna in a modern smartphone.

i prefer policarbonate too, but why the op pic should be bad?

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>>61470551

>>61465221
jobs died designed the 4s
so no

>>61470628
nice bezels my man

>>61464963
>>61464943

>They aren't milling the whole piece including bottom parts, button holes, etc

>But they are though.
>>faced, milled, drilled, tapped, and de-burred

What is happening to this board?

>fingerprint meme on the back
Apple always wins babyyyyy

>>61467094
>304 stainless
>>61467132
>Depends on the hardness of the steel

Wow.

>>61465643
How much of a coup will it be if Samsung introduce it with their Note 8?

>>61470762
>What is happening to this board?

summer

>>61469605
Problem?

>>61470628
You know the sides are the antenna line? It's cheap o' plastic.

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>>61463785
It could but they have never changed the little speak grill holes.
Pic related, all ways been 8, not 7. Same on the 6, 6s.

>>61465217
But they might use glass or ceramic, which would work

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>>61465217
>charges through the screen

>>61471003
They'll never use ceramic. They know just how badly people treat their phones.

>>61471164
Plus they've invested way too much in to aluminium to switch

>>61470762
i don't get it

if they are not drilling the holes for the buttons and speakers how are they doing it?

>>61463785
what did you mean by this

>>61470628
>>61470908

I'm on xiaomi now because how good wifi worked on xperia x. Fuck that shit.

>>61463785
>2017
>not carrying a zen garden inside your phone

>>61465643
>failing to embed the sensor into the display
Who cares? Anyone stupid enough to add their finger prints to an internet connected device needs to be suspended by the neck until dead.

>>61471280
E D G Y

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>>61463785
>fingerprint sensor is not the apple logo

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

>>61463857
>camera bumps
>plastic antenna lines
if they thickened it only just a bit and aped the 5 back they would still have had a nice looking phone

Nigga this is turning out to be an LG G6 for $700 more