PC users voted Trump, Mac users voted Clinton

Yet ios users voted Trump. What's up with that.

>>61449560
Rural.

>>61449582
I was thinking the same thing.

>>61449582
Because pretty much everybody uses an iPhone. The smartphone market isn't split like the laptop market, Android is pretty much irrelevant.

>>61449582
I live in Nashville and I don't know literally nobody who owns an Android phone.

>>61449635
>lives in the ignorant south
>uses a double negative
Checks out.

>>61449645
baited kiddo

>>61449655
>hahah I was only pretending to be retarded

>>61449560
>people with more disposable income vote for someone who will protect the top 1%

Wow, didn't see that coming :)

>>61449660
>dumb windoze users voting for someone who is one of the 1%

Wow, didn't see that coming ;P

>>61449560
Mac user here, Trump all the way.

>>61449684
Cool, now get out!

>>61449560
>>61449582
While Trump himself is a Mac + Android user.
Really gets the noggin joggin'.

>>61449697
no u

So this pretty much just corroborates that you have to be low-IQ to use Windows. Nothing new here.

>>61449560
Apple products are for gays and women, everybody knows that

>>61449674
>voting for someone in the top 1% when your choices include someone in the top 1% and someone else in the top 1%

Retards :P

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>>61449710
>picking Clinton over Trump
>smart

>>61449716
professionals and power users*

Trump voters are gamer NEETs, yeah we already knew that. Nothing to see here.

>>61449730
>picking an educated experienced leader rather than a TV-show host with various failed business ventures is not smart
Is this bizarro world?

>>61449759
You forgot to mention submerged in a number of corruption scandals.

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>>61449772
Because Drumpf had no scandals at all, right?

>>61449759
Trump is just getting obstructed by dems, not his fault they're playing dirty to keep him from passing any meaningful legislature

>>61449772
both sides do it. Clinton and Ukraine were scheming (rundown on Hannity, youtube it)

>>61449779
Lol cause that's totally legit. Stop being a fucking retard. We've all seen the Clinton emails.

>>61449759
Any sensible human being would have picked anyone over satan herself. Given Trump was the most likely opponent to win, he was the one to vote for to keep that dumb bitch from running this country into the ground.

im a pc user and i voted for clinton

>>61449645
It's not really indicative of any intelligence measure, but just a linguistic curiosity caused by differences in grammar between certain dialects of a language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative#Latin_and_Romance_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative#Ancient_Greek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative#Japanese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative#Germanic_languages

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>>61449792
>widely documented cases are not legit
>conspiracy theories are
Damn, I knew Drumpf voters were dense, but this is too much!

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>>61449759
>Educated
Disbarred

>Experienced
At being the worst Secretary of State in living memory, a senator who did nothing and being married to someone who actually did things

>Leader
In number of collapses at public events and not much else

>>61449802
whatever you say, cletus

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>>61449804
You're trying too hard bud. Nobody in this thread is taking you seriously. Just stop.

>>61449804
>He wants to vote for someone who promised to go to war with Iran, supported all military actions in the Middle East by the US gov't and was under scrutiny for the Benghazi scandal where for some reason she didn't answer calls from a US embassy under attack to send reinforcements from Spain to Libya (where we really shouldn't have been in the first place) to help them when she was President over an egotistical asshole


>>61449813
>Look I'm just going to ignore facts and call you stupid because double negatives definitely don't appear in other languages at all and only appears in stupid Southerner's speech
Kys

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>>61449793
>satan himself
Why? I remember Bill as a highly successful president. The best we've had in 27 years by any objective measure. Why would his wife be any different?

>Trump was the one to vote to keep this country
You mean the same one who's deep in hot water on his very first six months as president?

Your tactic to keep this country from being run into the ground didn't quite work out so well, I'm afraid...

>>61449792
>taking bait that shitty
Even if it was legitimate, nobody who uses soccer mom-tier shit like "drumpf" deserves a (You)

>>61449835
>bait
You underestimate the stupidity of antifa-tards.

>>61449818
Why would you even have to post such a damage controlling post like this one if you were winning the debate, my friend?

>>61449809
Dumb frogposter.

I voted Clinton. So what if I only buy Apple products? My choice of OS doesn't change the fact that Trump is a closeted fag and a nigger-lover.

>>61449720
you got a chance at something with trump, just a chance, and even if that chance didn't pan out, you got to throw your brick.

Our choices were shit and worse shit and shit won.

>>61449829
>war with Iran
Just like Trump is threatening now to please his Republican allies?

>supported all military actions in the Middle East
Like bombing Assad like Trump's doing now?

>was under scrutiny for the Benghazi scandal
You mean just like Trump is now for Russiagate?

>>61449560
no surprise that brain dead mac faggots voted clinton.

>>61449834
>The best we've had in 27 years
Because the others were demonstrably shittier than he was. Bush I got us in involved in a pointless war with Iraq just like Bush II did and Obama who expanded it to Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. The only reason Bill looks good is because he didn't get us involved trying to topple dictators in the Middle East for "democracy's sake". That doesn't mean he was good seeing that he was the one that shilled hard for NAFTA, which in essence was the a less bearing TPP which fucked over the Rustbelt, which is one of the many reasons it went red last cycle.

>You mean the same one who's deep in hot water on his very first six months as president?
Over a conspiracy theory that holds as much weight as those idiots pushing the birther meme, from media firms that have proven over and over again they have little credibility and spin stories into oblivion just like Fox with the birther shit? Yeah, that's sure the most deepest water any president has ever been in.

>>61449834
Just look at this cunt, you can feel the fucking evil radiating from where her soul is supposed to be. All you need to hear to know she's evil is one word, "emails"

>>61449834
most of us just wanted you annoying dullards to shut the fuck up to be honest, a 4-year lesson in populism isn't going to do shit to the US in the long term and it more serves as a discourse shifter and a wake-up call to progressives that they need to pick their battles wisely and stop being such oversensitive whiny tryhards

but considering nobody can stop crying and grasping at straws long enough to take a minute and look at themselves and their own shortcomings, at this rate I'll be doing my part in 2020 to make sure it's an 8-year lesson instead

>>61449618
what year do you live in?

>>61449560
Linux and iOS here. Voted Trump. No regrets, although he wasn't my first choice.

>>61449787
>trump
>obstructed by dems

Your do realize that the senate and house both have a republican majority.....right?

Unless you mean that the dems are opposed trump's policies, which is the nature of bipartisan politics, however, they don't have the majority making it much more difficult to "obstruct" legislature.

I use GNU/Linux and me and everyone I know in the field (who are also GNU users) voted Bernie in the primaries and NOT TRUMP (aka Hillary, unfortunately) in the general election.

>>61449902
Nigga, Bill Clinton invaded Iraq too. WTF are you on about?

>>61449582
rush limbaugh is a big ios user. think he uses mac too though

>>61449915
>Your do realize that the senate and house both have a republican majority.....right?
cuckservatives = democrats

going to be fun voting out your little faggot friends in 2018.

>>61449923
He's just a newfag.

>>61449894
>Just like Trump is threatening now to please his Republican allies?
>Like bombing Assad like Trump's doing now?
You mean like how immediately after firebombing that air hangar in Syria, he said there would be no new boots on the ground and how we actually warmed up good relations with Russia after that shit we pulled there. We should probably just get out of Syria honestly.

>You mean just like Trump is now for Russiagate?
You mean Birtherism 2.0: Electric Boogaloo? I have very little comment on a blatant conspiracy theory that either side of the isle tries to push because it tends to be very stupid and only the most hardcore of Dems or Republicans believe that shit anyways.

>>61449915
Democrat politicians tend to vote the party line. Republicans actually try to represent the people that voted them in. What the Republicans in Kansas want isn't what the Republicans in Pennsylvania want 100% of the time.

In that way, while Republicans are less effective at ramming policies through, they are more pure regarding the spirit of democracy.

>>61449943
well that still doesn't make sense because no one with a brain wants the Obamacare repeal to die, which several Republicans voted No for

if you're against Trumpcare you're a cuck/welfare queen and should have your Republican registration revoked

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>>61449560
That sounds right. Pic fucking related, the tears of democrats and whiny leftists are delicious.
And get this shit back to /pol/

>>61449943
>Democrats are evil
>Republicans are doing G'd's work!
Wow, you live in a nice fantasy world.

In practice though, most Republicans just vote party line all of the time, while some Democrats (like Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin) often compromise in order to better represent their voter base. Get your facts straight.

>>61449660
I never understand this "poor oppressed niggers with $600 phones" meme. Please explain.

>>61449972
Actually, there are certain republicans that don't want a pure repeal (despite voting histories when Obama was in office, and they knew it would fail). 3 chick Republicans want to keep the Medicaid expansions in their states.

As for the "No," regarding "Repeal AND Replace," they didn't like the replacement, and are pushing for a "Repeal, THEN Replace." They figure if they repeal it completely, it will be easier to pass a replacement, because Dems will come to the table.

>>61449985
I never said Democrats were evil. I just said that they tend to vote as a solitary unit in Congress.

I find democracies to be terribly inefficient.

>>61449905
It's probably going to be more like only a 2-year lesson, given that Republicans are set to crash and burn in the mid-terms, losing greatly in both houses to massive Democratic majorities capable of overturning any presidential veto.

It's gonna be fun seeing Barack Obama making a comeback (but as Speaker of the House this time around) and watching Trump getting his big fat orange ass impeached!

>>61449635
>I don't know literally nobody
take your double negations back to mexico.

>>61450059
you had me for most of it, then you used an exclamation mark on fucking 4chan

get your bait game up dude I'm not basic enough for this shit

>>61450059
>It's probably going to be more like only a 2-year lesson, given that Republicans are set to crash and burn in the mid-terms, losing greatly in both houses to massive Democratic majorities capable of overturning any presidential veto.
>It's gonna be fun seeing Barack Obama making a comeback (but as Speaker of the House this time around) and watching Trump getting his big fat orange ass impeached!
You realize the Democratic Party has no leader, no platform besides "Fuck Trump" and hasn't actually proposed legislation despite a Republican-controlled Congress doing nothing, lost 4 special elections using the same tactics in the 2016 general election and you think that they'll actually win more than say 2-3 seats in the House of Reps or even the Senate, where it's more likely they'll lose seats since most of the states up for grabs went red this past election when they were previously blue. You're hella delusional.

>>61449985
>In practice though, most Republicans just vote party line all of the time, while some Democrats (like Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin) often compromise in order to better represent their donor base.
ftfy. Get your facts straight, neoliberal.

>>61450139
Yeah, I'm sure that's why they voted for Gorsuch.

>>61450103
Btw, it's unlikely Trump will be impeached. Again, we're dealing with a bither-tier conspiracy theory on the other side of the isle last time and how well did those faggots that thing Obama was a Muslim socialist agent that was born outside of the US that wants to destroy our democracy (ala Cruz) do in getting him impeached? The same goes for anyone that unironically thinks that Trump is a Russian spy for the KGB doing the same thing: they look like unbridled idiots and won't be taken seriously.

>>61450175
*birhter-tier

>>61450103
weren't those special election seats pretty red to begin with though? 2018 is a point of concern to me because I don't see it being the absolutely tiring shitfest that 2016 was that made Trump win in the first place

>>61450151
I'm sure that's why they nominated neoliberal Garland. It's not like big pharma, and may I remind you to consider who Joe Manchin's daughter is, has any real beef with Gorsuch.
Clearly all oligarchs can't be trusted and all need to be beheaded. Prove me wrong.

>>61450181
Dems could win in 2018. But if they pull the shit they pulled during the special elections (literally nothing more than "I'm not with Trump!") then they are in HUGE trouble. And so far, they haven't done anything but that.

>>61450200
it worries because with how slow he is pushing things into action and how hard the propaganda machines are going this shit could be weaponized effectively

but you're not wrong, if they sit there and do the same "everyone who doesn't agree with me is bigoted DRUMPF DRUMPF DRUMPF vote for me pls even if you're a piece of rACIST sHIT" garbage while hocking god awful privileged ass pretty boy candidates then they're going to get destroyed, I'm sure as fuck not giving up my district

>>61450234
Honestly, so long as he keeps green energy at bay until it makes financial sense to do so, builds the wall, and either repeals Obamacare (no replacement necessary) or lets it implode, while renegotiating trade deals, I'll be happy.

Most Republicans just want their government to protect their borders (including poor trade deals) and leave them alone within their own borders. Or at least, that's my experience.

There just seems to be a disconnect between the voters and the government. Most Republican voters are more Civic Nationalists, and most Republican politicians are Neocons trying to appease rich globalists.

>>61450200
I don't think they have a chance. They've shown they have nothing to offer but cheap platitudes to sweeten neoliberal austerity. I'll be happy if they get prosecuted for RICO, but I don't think the other party would allow that to happen because it has too much to lose.

>>61450234
Well, the Democrats haven't learned that throwing huge quantities of money at your problem doesn't work well nowadays along with pissing off their blue-collar base completely in the Rustbelt and starting to irk the progressives in the party. Really all Trump needs to do is focus on tax reform before the mid-terms and the Republicans are golden.

>>61450290
Their problem is that they overplayed their hand. You can't push Privacy raping shit when Obama is in office, and then pretend like it's bad all of a sudden because Trump is in office. They just come off as bipolar when they go from pushing it so fucking hard for 8 years, and then literally going to the other end of the spectrum in the span of a day.

Add to this that while Trump is unpopular, both Congress and the news is even less popular in all polls taken, and I think its safe to say that, while nobody knows for sure what will happen, Dems have an uphill climb, especially due to notoriously low voter turnout during midterms.

>>61449866
>I have no counter argue therefore I will call him dumb because he posted a pepe the NAZI meme. XD XD that will show him!

>>61450281
honestly I don't give that much of a shit about the wall, I'm interested to see what he does with tax reform and most of his jobs-related shit

in the end I just want to see the American psyche improve, which isn't necessarily something I expect Trump to do but I hope it sets the precedent for stronger, more energetic and politically competent (but still "real") leaders in the future to bring this country out of the obnoxious self-hating malaise and narcissism epidemic that has been shitting all over it for the last decade and a half
>>61450301
hopefully you're right

>>61449560
Gays prefer Mac/iOS

>>61450396
>in the end I just want to see the American psyche improve
To do that, you can't have millions of illegals taking jobs for wages that citizens literally can't compete with (as they have to pay taxes and be paid a minimum wage). The wall isn't all that important in and of itself. It's a symbol. It will improve the psyche of the unskilled workers.

Walmart has always been great at reading the desires of the unskilled citizens. It's no surprise that they recently made a commitment to start using US industry as much as possible. It wasn't a selfless act, any more than them raising their minimum wage to 10 bucks per hour. It was to appease these workers. The wall is just the government doing the same thing, but in a different way.

>>61450434
the illegal issue doesn't really affect me as much where I live, more just shitty attitudes and constant shoving of political correctness and other guilt trip bullshit down everyone's throats

but I still feel the same way about the wall, it's not really the most effective solution to me but it's better than nothing, really that's how I feel about most of Trump's presidency

>>61450479
The president can never do much more than symbolic gestures without the approval of both Congress and the Supreme Court. Executive orders are nice, but can be stopped the second someone takes over command.

The Wall is permanent, even if manning it is not. But mandating E-verfiy would be far more effective, as would requiring proof of citizenship or legal residency in order to obtain government aide.

>>61450345
There's also the little matter of the fake primary that has probably permanently turned off Berners from the party or anything with even remotely the same sort of people in charge. The arguments of the DNC's lawyer in court are rather clarifying, to put it mildly, just what a sham the Democrat Party is.

>>61450532
>But mandating E-verfiy would be far more effective, as would requiring proof of citizenship or legal residency in order to obtain government aide.
Both parties' funders like depreciating labor and appreciating assets. Each party's policy goes about that goal in their own way. So, probably not going to get done.

>>61450637
>Both parties' funders like depreciating labor and appreciating assets. Each party's policy goes about that goal in their own way. So, probably not going to get done.
Of course its not. If Congress passed it, Trump would sign it into law, and it would be completely constitutional, so SCOTUS wouldn't overrule it. But since you have a party that wants illegals to vote, and another party that wants illegal labor to reduce costs for their big donors, it won't happen. Which leaves the president with symbols, and little else.

>>61450637
>probably permanently turned off Berners from the party
Why would socialists be turned off by the "bigger government" party?

>>61449635
>i don't know literally nobody
what the fuck man

>>61450776
>bigger government
Socialists and liberals are anathema to each other. Their policy preferences and principles conflict irreconcilably.
Also the size of government is not a single slider, despite what the two corporate parties would have people believe.

>>61450812
It is if you simply boil it down to GDP consumption.

>>61450879
That only makes sense in the ancap framing, where governments do not issue nor tax away the value of the national currency.

>>61450897
Well, it matters in the context of power it has over its citizens. If you were to tax 90% of their income, they would need to rely on the government more than if you taxed them at 60%, regardless of what that government was spending the money on.

>>61449734
mostly college kids and amateur content creators. ftfy

>>61450931
>rely
Not sure why that's actually a problem, if citizens === the government and it's their own money anyway, not just an IOU to (((creditors))). Nothing good will ever come of the arrangement where the government and the people are adversaries, especially under republican systems such as the USA's where the people pointedly do not have any effective rights of action in governance.

>>61450988
If you work, and then the government takes your wealth to the point that literally everyone has to rely on them, the government has power over them. Do what they say, or risk the boot coming down on you. USSR is a good example of government having absolute power.

That said, the government having no power means anarchy, which isn't any better.

>>61449560
>Mac
>PC
They are the same since PPC ditched.

>>61451023
>your wealth
Don't confuse stocks (in the sense of stores) and flows. Income is a flow. Wealth is a stock. A wealth tax would, arguably, be a better idea than an income tax, in that if one's accumulation of wealth is not creating value for all of society, it reverts to the state, and then, perhaps, to some council or citizen who can make better use of it.
Also, why the Bastiatic obsession with submitting to government instead of becoming government and participating in government as a broad public activity, for which time is set aside by law? Like jury duty, but actually changing things at a decent scale? Why the incapacity to see beyond the hierarchical Great Man model that has cucked us for 3500 years if not longer?

>>61451091
I take it you're an anarcho-communist?

>>61451074
Autism

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>>61449618
Nah.

>people who have a reasonably paid job where they can afford a decent computer voted to keep things how they were

>NEET rednecks who can just about scrape together a 5 year old Chinkpad blame all their problems on capitalism and think anyone rich is corrupt, believed the rich guy telling them he's on their side and he's going to change the country

No surprises here.

>>61451572
iOS is still a surprise.

did gahnoo/loonix users vote third party?
because i know i did.

>>61451624
I'm a Debian user and I voted for Johnson.

>>61451624
Mint User. Voted for Trump. Was gonna vote for Johnson until I saw that he was a fucking moron that pretty much wanted what Clinton wanted, which isn't libertarian at all.

>>61451642
>debian
you're cool
>>61451673
>mint
you aren't, don't reply to me again

Hey OP,

I used mac for a long time, and if I was some US citizen I would have voted Trump. I don't like the guy, but Clinton always seemed more tyrannical.

This would make sense though as many of the people who can afford a Mac are middle class twats. Middle class twats are usually on that side. Working class don't give no shits.

>>61451600
Yeah true. Not really sure what to make of that. I think it's possibly that iPhones are often sold on contract and a lot of people see it as a "free" luxury phone. Those who are poor think they have a way of affording something nice.

i didn't actually vote, but I larp as someone who voted for Trump in arguments

Windows 7

I use Arch and would have voted Trump if I were American

>>61449660
...Who are you referring to?

>>61451301
>worldwide

Irrelevant. Android is propped up by third worlders. Only trailer trash own Android phones in the US.

>>61451301
>worldwide sales
look at your graph before you post it, idiot.

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>>61451902
>>61451905
Still more than Apple cattle.

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>use Linux/Android and PC for gaming
>Independent that switched to Dem to vote for Sanders
>begrudgingly voted for Clinton since I was focused on voting for congress/senate now that Sanders is out
>Shillary loses anyway, switched back to Independent.

>>61449804
>alleging

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>>61451940
>apple cattle

>>61449560
>clinton voters are retarded cunts
>trump voters are retarded cunts
>pc users are retarded cunts
>mac users are retarded cunts

I already knew all this

>>61451958
>voting for any DNC candidate after they rigged their primaries against someone you supported

You don't deserve the right to vote.

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>>61451975
Remember to shout MOOOO when buying your next overpriced iTurd at your local Apple store.

>>61452055
Eh, it was a choice between a neoliberal robot wearing human skin and a 13 year old girl trapped in a fatass old man's body. My main reasoning is that I wanted to vote out one of the senators because he took part in fucking over public school wages for teachers in an already highly impoverished area.

>>61449560
How can you poll what device type people who voted used when people couldn't use those devices to vote?

>>61452055
>voting for any gop candidate after they rigged the whole system by gerrymandering the voting districts to hell

>>61452156
As if that's any different than stuffing the ballots with illegal votes.

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>mfw americans still think there was a choice and that clinton wouldn't shit all over poor people just like trump

>>61452174
In spite of what the likes of Trump and Alex Jones say, there's zero proof of voter fraud being a large scale problem.

>>61452174
There have only been a few instances of that happening in the past decade, and the only notable one from the past election was a woman from Iowa voting for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/

>>61452205
Indeed. Because nobody will ever let the government audit the votes.

>>61452193
Hillary's policies were far friendlier towards the common man than the Republicans are constantly trying to do. She certainly wouldn't have attempted to screw the poor out of their health insurance just to hand out tax cuts to the rich.

>>61449582
Most 50 year olds I know own an iPhone 4 or 5. They are also more likely to vote republican

>>61452261
>Me voting for the government to take more money from strangers to give towards other strangers is generous of me!
I wish this meme would die. Especially when health insurance prices are increasing for the overwhelming majority of people, including the poor that don't qualify for literally free healthcare.

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>>61452292
>me voting out of my own interest benefits me

>>61452261
>She certainly wouldn't have attempted to screw the poor
you're way too naive

>>61452292
It's not about being generous, but rather securing your own ass, should you find yourself struck by an expensive disaster one day.
Feel free to name one other first world country with a health care system as overpriced and unequal as the United States.

>>61452309
It benefits myself, as well as complete strangers. Not everyone is as selfish as the democrats would be if they didn't pay insane taxes. Just this year, I've paid the rent of 2 people in my town, and bought a plane ticket for a Venezuelan eating dog food to bail out, paid a friend's electric bill, and volunteered 7 times at the local recycling center. And that's on TOP of all the shit I'm already forced to pay.

What have you done for others, anon? I mean, what have you done that you weren't forced to do, besides voting to take money away from other people?

>>61452330
Clinton was already pushing for universal health care in the 90s, so I doubt it.

>>61452363
Been too busy paying hospital bills after being in a car accident last year without health insurance.

>>61452357
Obamacare IS an expensive disaster. Not only have my rates more than doubled, despite my premiums also doubling. 100 per month with a 1200 dollar premium to 250 per month with a 2400 dollar premium.

>>61452393
Oh? So despite Obamacare existing, it didn't help you? Yet you are talking about how its a good thing?

>>61449560
How did they count that exactly?

>>61452404
Sorry, that's biweekly that I paid, not monthly. So it's gone from 200 per month to 500. Not exactly affordible to the poor.

>>61452404
I never said Obamacare specifically is a good thing. That was a conservative bill from the start. I'm in favor of taking the pharmaceutical industry out of the private sector entirely rather than gambling with people's lives.

>>61452418
Government health research already exists. Name something they've done.

>>61452432
>the only medical research in history has only happened since the conception of capitalist societies in the late 1700s

>>61452418
What alternative are you offering? A government monopoly? Have you SEEN what happens when a government agency has a monopoly over something? Take a look at the USPS before FedEx and USPS started competing? There was no next day air, no 2nd day air, no economy shipping, no tracking numbers, no shipping insurance. It got there when it got there YOU HOPED.

Then look at public schools, which used to be run by the state, instead of the federal government. Would you say that No Child Left Behind or Common Core is educating kids better than there parents?

Take all that, and apply it to cancer.

>>61452448
>We should not look at the inefficiency of our modern government, and presume that they will magically hit efficiencies of other governments that existed hundreds of years ago once we give them a monopoly!

>>61452286
idk why people don't want to be like old people. old people are the best. i always find myself enjoying myself more when i hangout with them, instead of people of my age.

>>61449697
4chan is an alt right website

>>61450936
no, mostly employed people who are not tech creeps or gamers. macs are like barneys, it's how you treat yourself after being successful.

>>61452457
but, for example, Cuba has actually been doing great with cancer research, and has some of the best doctors in the world. I would hardly consider their pharmaceutical industry to be private.
>>61452464
Monopolies are going to happen anyway (and already do). I'd rather have my medicine for 'free' than deal with arbitrarily fluctuating market prices. Hell, I import generic medicine from Canada because it's cheaper than buying from the US.

>>61449742
don't forget anime lovers who are crazy about their linux rainmeters

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>>61452174
zero proof

>>61452492
>but, for example, Cuba has actually been doing great with cancer research, and has some of the best doctors in the world. I would hardly consider their pharmaceutical industry to be private.

>Just give government total control, and you too can expect this quality of care (pic related)!

>Monopolies are going to happen anyway (and already do). I'd rather have my medicine for 'free' than deal with arbitrarily fluctuating market prices. Hell, I import generic medicine from Canada because it's cheaper than buying from the US.
Not a monopoly. More of a corporate oligarchy, but at least they get something done, because if they don't, then they cease to be. And I'm glad you import Canadian generics. Good for you for taking advantage of a free market that would allow you to do such a thing.

>>61452457
>Have you SEEN what happens when a government agency has a monopoly over something?
Yeah, it works great in a lot of countries. I don't know why the US government is such a collection of chucklefucks, but that's something for you to figure out.

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>>61452492
>>Just give government total control, and you too can expect this quality of care (pic related)!
Forgot pic.

>>61452529
Which ones? Britain has had to revamp their universal healthcare constantly. Canadian literally had a healthcare crisis until they reopened the private options.

poor americans have a habit of voting for people who want to fuck them over because they believe that they will eventually become rich themselves and benefit from the policies, but of course by voting for people who fuck them over they are prevented from climbing the social ladder in the first place

>>61452526
>>61452531
They're receiving hospital care that they won't have to pay for later. That's more than you can say about literally millions of Americans.

>>61452529
>it works great in a lot of countries
it doesnt. for every one good thing you can name that a monopoly does I will name ten unintended consequence

>>61452559
>Shit healthcare is better than no healthcare at all
Not necessarily, but you knew that.

>>61452559
just like in any eu country
why do you give examples of shitholes when there are many good examples of rich countries with free healthcare?

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>>61449618

>>61452593
Like France?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/09/fran-s09.html
Britain?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/18/look-beyond-politics-healthcare-in-crisis
Germany?
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6838/germany-migration-health-crisis

Sweden?
http://viktordonovan.blogspot.com/2013/11/swedish-health-care-in-crisis-former.html

>>61449779
Wow someone accused him and didn't have any evidence to back it up. Good thing accusations are convictions these days, otherwise that'd be a whole lot of nothing. Oh wait.

BTW you're a pedophile.

>>61452630
Despite these health systems being in crisis they still rank above the US both affordability and low mortality rates.

>>61452630
did you even read the german example?

>>61452630
Meanwhile in America:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals/

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

So much for your great system.

>>61452679
Ok. But you DO realize what a crisis can lead to, yes? It can lead to Venezuelan hospitals (you know, the socialist country that is sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world, yet their citizenry can't get their hands on toilet paper)?

Specifically choosing a news source that wouldn't be biased towards right wing politics:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/health/venezuela-hospital-cardboard-nursery/index.html

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>>61452710
Who said it was great? When did I ever say the US healthcare system was great?

But the US sucks at socialism. Just take a look at the Veterans Affairs. We'd be worse than Venezuela.

>>61452718
>comparing venezuela to any first world country
they're poor and their government is full of corrupt assholes, no wonder they have a problem with everything

>be black
>family is poor cuz of insditutionglazed racism
>we get a apple computer after savin a hole year worth of money in a jar
>electric company says we needa pay extra for internet
>50$ dollers a month for the rest of our lives for somethin thats free at mcDs for colledge edgucated white folks who knowhow to use wi-fi
>but we got a cousin that went to colledge and knowhow to use wi-fi so he set us up with free mcDs parkin-lot internet
>my hole senpai gets a rested for hotboxin dro in da privacy of our own van while we tryna make a kim kardashian sextape reaction video to startup our utube channel n get some dat ad-revunue
>hillary won by 3 million votes but cuz of racist white electorel colledge we still bein kept down in the ghettos

>>61452766
Welcome to the US government. Not even joking. When you have a government as stupid and corrupt as ours, you don't want them touching shit.

We literally spend 6-8 billion per year just to deliver foodstamps (which is on a card like a credit card).
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-03/news/mn-8143_1_federal-government

>voting at all
It's like you enjoy being cucked. If no one voted, the shitty corrupt government would collapse, but you still keep voting and fighting over who you want to be cucked by.

>>61452793
Not him, but before anyone says the article is old, it hasn't gotten any better.

http://www.mygovcost.org/2012/11/14/bigger-welfare/

>>61452812
You're confusing voting with paying taxes.

>>61452766
>they're poor and their government is full of corrupt assholes
Last time the people living in that shithole tried to overthrow their corrupt government, the US intervened and sold lots of weapons to the corrupt assholes to stay in power.

>>61449582
Like mac/osX, android is the more "obscure" system, whereas windows, and ios are the more popular, "mainstream" choices for desktop and mobile operating systems, respectively.
Liberals tend to be anti-contrarian, and attempt to differentiate themselves from the "herd" by going against the grain in a child-like effort to demonstrate what they believe to be superiority. They imagine themselves superior to others, and if others use windows/ios, they need to be using the obviously superior macOS/android.

>>61452839
that's how you make money

>>61452766
They sit on the largest oil reserves in the WORLD, dude. If it was just stupidity or corruption, then the smart and corrupt would be living like Saudi Arabian princes. They aren't.

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>>61452718
>>61452873
That's because they're the dumb kind of socialists who kill economic freedom.
If you look at all the Nordic countries, for instance, they let capitalism prosper, while at the same providing people with generous benefits, resulting some of the highest levels of well being in the world.

>>61453071
Doesn't Sweden have an effective tax rate of like 60 percent, all while paying dick for military?

>>61449943
>Republicans actually try to represent the people that voted them in.

What the literal fuck. How are you people even allowed to have opinions?

Do you even know what went into the ACA? Obama reached out to a broad spectrum of Americans, spent close to year compiling it together, and got SIXTY votes to pass it. He reached across the aisle to include bipartisanship (GOP still didn't even vote for it even thought it's a right wing national healthcare plan drafted up by Republicans in the early 90's.)

Meanwhile the AHCA bill was crammed through the house, has a 17%-35% approval rating among all Americans, iteration after iteration was taken down in the senate, a lone REPEAL isn't even working, all the while Trump doesn't even know what it is in the AHCA.

>In that way, while Republicans are less effective at ramming policies through, they are more pure regarding the spirit of democracy.

Is this some joke? How out of the loop do you have to be to even begin to type this seriously? Is this some kind of fucked up troll attempt? What kind of bubble do you live in to think this?

>>61449560
>https://www.axios.com/2016-election-by-device-type-2449951627.html
How did they map operating system to which vote was cast?

Are Americans really so cucked and devoid of freedom? Aren't democratic elections supposed to be anonymous?

>it's a based on a surveymonkey poll, no information about questions asked, number of participants aka sample size, how participants were chosen (aka random or non-random), no source to study

I call fake news

>>61449560
>Accordind to a new british news agency backed by nbc.

after all this time people are still trusting internet polls?

>>61449759
>lead her party straight into the ground with no survivors
Great experience friend

>>61449560
Breaking news: mac users are faggots

>>61452261
No she just would have enacted TPP and turned the worldwide internet into Britbongistan tier censorship for corporate profit. kys

>>61455257
This, she's America's Theresa May

>>61449582
iPhone is rich phone.
Macbook is hip book.
Windows is standard.
Android is poor phone.

>>61455257
Even she dropped her support TPP in the end.
> turned the worldwide internet into Britbongistan tier censorship for corporate profit
Isn't that what Trump's pet Pajeet is trying to do right now?

>>61455557
>believing anything that cunt says

>>61449635
>I live in Nashville and I don't know literally nobody
who would have guessed

>I'm a tennesse nigger and I wanna be free

Wow! This thread triggered me! So problematic!

>>61452482
He's telling you to leave /g/ bc you use a mac

>>61450103
Tuck Frump*

>>61450175
The guy is a useless cunt who's only capable of making the country and the Republicans look bad. It'd be better for them to have Pence in charge.

"No data" are the Linux users?

>>61449703
So Trump works for Hillary?

>>61452718
The problem with Venezuela isn't socialism. Stop spreading that myth.

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-is-tearing-venezuela-apart/5535633

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>>61450059
>given that Republicans are set to crash and burn in the mid-terms
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

>>61452510
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/

No proofs :>)

>>61449932
>blatant conspiracy theory
http://www.newsweek.com/obama-putin-meeting-criticism-377689

You know it's pretty bad when you're forced to rationalize your choice by CONSTANTLY bringing up Hillary.

>>61459616
thank you for correcting the record

>>61459616
You know it's bad when after 6 full months people still complain about the leader they democratically elected.

>>61452482
>/pol/ is an alt-right board with cross-boarders
ftfy

>>61452482
Go back to your containment board.

>>61453267
sounds like you are a smart man

>>61451301
He meant the distribution of users. Everyone: dumbass hicks and mentally ill trannies, use iphones.

>>61459671
Pardon the phrase, but this is unironically what democracy looks like

>>61451301
That's worldwide. We're talking about the US. The only time I've ever seen someone with an Android phone here was once when I was on a business travel to Puerto fucking Rico.

>>61449926

This. Republicans and Democrats are the same.

https://interc.pt/2tiGpTo

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>>61449560
I didn't vote for either because i'm not a fucking class cuck.

>>61461259
and Trump is neither, stay mad faggots

>>61449582
This is based on that random website's poll, no doubt done with horrible shotty polling practices. Where they decided to share the polls probably had a bigger say in these results than the people did.

>>61449582
They haven't made a good windows phone yet

>>61449618
>not understanding basic statistics

They are two separate significantly large groups, with different results.

>>61449926
Maybe the real problem is that the things they're trying to push through are actually total shit.

not technology, fuck off

>>61449582
Haha fucking Android cucks

>>61449618
Fuck off, nigger dick sucking MacToddler.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held-by-smartphone-platforms-in-the-united-states/

>>61449582
It was swayed by poor people/minorities who own budget phones, which happen to run Android.

Only include flagship owners and it would be the same as iOS.

>>61449582
Just had a thought on that.

Maybe they were afraid if they got androids they'd become self aware and the liberal left boogiemen would start trying to give them rights and freedoms, like on that Star Trek episode?

>>61461901
>In March 2017, 53.4 percent of U.S. smartphone subscribers were using a Google Android device. Apple was the second most popular smartphone operating system with a 44.5 percent market share.
Still pretty remarkable, considering Android runs on hundreds of phones with a wide range of prices, whereas iOS literally runs on only iPhones, which are exclusively high end models.

>>61461546
You're not understanding that LITERALLY NOBODY USES ANDROID!

>>61461947
That 100% false. Nobody I know has an Android phone.

>>61461947
That 100% false. Nobody I know has an Android phone.

>>61461985
>>61462005
0/10

(You)

>>61462015
Google IDF pls go.

>>61457613
Its more like they both work for Soros

>>61457601
Which is exactly how the Republicans felt about Obama, the Democrats and Biden. So again it's just partisan bullshit rearing it's head on the left now instead of the right.

>>61462012
Big news: the world doesn't revolve around you and your friends.

>>61457860
That doesn't answer why it isn't Birtherism all over again.

>>61451902
And trailer trash voted Clinton?

>>61462382
Yes. Clinton was the vote for all of society's scum looking for a handout. Trump's vote was honest working men and women looking for a fair society for those who contribute to it.

>>61462473
Imagine actually believing this.

>>61462473
>Trump's voters assault random people at rallies
>People literally chanting "Go back to Africa!" after seeing black protestors kicked out.
>Literally voted in by people living in backwards ass states that have little to no purpose in this world

>>61462743
>Meanwhile Antifa attacks random Trump supporters in the streets of Berkeley and a self proclaimed Bernie fan shoots a House Whip lethally (fortunately he survived) before being shot himself (fortunately he did not)
>Also ignoring the Project Veritas videos where it was shown that the people at those rallies were actually hired by DNC associates to start shit
Also
>The Rustbelt
>The economic powerhouse of the nation from the 1900s to today
> backwards ass states that have little to no purpose in this world
This is why you leftists probably won't win the Rustbelt back: you have to little of a fucking filter to not insult your base. Even the Republicans don't insult their evangelical base the way you faggots do your blue-collar base. It's kind of sad you guys are too stupid that even hardcore evangelocon Republicans like Ted Cruz make smarter moves than you faggots

>>61449582
lagshitters are non-Whites with their obamafones and what not.

>>61450059
republicans have only lost 2 out of 9 elections since the presidential race. Democrats seem content to keep their 100+ seat loss ongoing.

>>61449560
how did they collect this data? there's no way it's a fair representation.

>>61462891
>Veritas
>Literally edits their clips to make it more and more convincing.
Also

Nobody gives a shit about blue collar workers. Get a real job and learn something that will actually make you 100k a year plus in your life like computer science or engineering instead of fixing some gas guzzling SUV

>>61463186
>Nobody gives a shit about blue collar workers.
mmmm gonna be loving that continued Republican domination

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>>61463241
Me too!

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>>61463241
Me too!

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>>61463241
We too!

>PC
Do you mean Windows? Because every Mac ever produced since Apple was first founded is and always has been a PC.

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>>61450059
Not looking good this year for dems, I don't see much improvement for them next year either. Its going to take them to 2020 AT LEAST from them to even start mounting a comeback. Honestly we haven't seen a political party crash and burn this hard, in sheer number of seats lost, since the collapse of the Whigs

>>61459671
The people elected Hillary. I guess you're right people complaining about Hillary does make some sense the problem is Hillary is not the president.

>>61463186
>Nobody gives a shit about blue collar workers

And that's why you're set for eight years of Donald Trump as POTUS. Do try to take some time to reflect on what you could have done differently after the next election.

>>61463389
Well its a good thing States, not people, decide how their Electors vote then.

>>61463324
i remember when i was 14 and enjoyed telling people how they were technically wrong

>>61449560
>users of most common os users did the same as outcome of situation
its almost as if android and mac users are...
...dare I say...
a minority compared to windows and ios users

>>61463418
You forgot the part where he gets impeached.

>>61463430
By what objective criterion?

>>61463186
>>Literally edits their clips to make it more and more convincing.

1)Then why does every major news organization go into damage control mode when they release something, like almost infallibly?
2) That doesn't explain why we have actual evidence of these people saying this shit to undercover operatives (aka actual journalists which include people like Tim Pool) and then these people go into hiding or are subsequently fires after the tapes are released

>>61463299
>>61463307
>>61463261
>Using memes that were true in like 2007
The fact of the matter is the Democratic party has become the party of big business and corporations. With the advent of Trump, the Republican Party is more receptive to the working classes, since they actually propose policies that will stop low wage labor from taking their jobs and sending them overseas and things like the tax cut for the middle class which people in the Rustbelt would be positively affected by after years of economic drought in the region.

>>61463480
>republican house impeaching a republican president
k

>>61463511
See >>61450059

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>>61463367
Stay deluded.

>>61463521
see
>>61463367
Also dems are the more vulnerable ones next year with the majority of races being held by dems in areas Trump won.

>>61463480
>You forgot the part where he gets impeached
I'm pretty sure a conspiracy theory that's even dumber than birtherism isn't going to impeach Trump, especially with a Republican Congress

>By what objective criterion?
The one laid out in the Connecticut Compromise.

>>61463521
See all the responses to >>61450059 and realise how delsuional you are for thinking that in the first place

>>61463541
and still they have won more elections this year then the Democrats.

>>61463541
>A sample size of 1001 adults
So a shit poll is your evidence

>>61463589
Elections in republican districts, that swung like 10 points each toward the democratic candidate.

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>>61463593
See that square root of n in the denominator? It does wonders for you!

>>61463611
outspending Republicans more then 10:1 and STILL losing lmao.

>>61463611
>when you lose, you win

>>61463500
>With the advent of Trump, the Republican Party is more receptive to the working classes
Imagine actually believing this.

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electionlets, when will they ever learn?

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>>61463665
do you know what the rust belt is retard?

The dems still don't know how big of a hole they've dug themselves. The Repubs hold trifectsa in half the states, the dems only 9. A trifecta being the control the Governorship, Legislative branch and the Judgeships.
Republicans control the
Federal executive branch
Federal legislative branch
Supreme court
undisputed control of 25 states

in fact its so good fro the Republicans right now they only need to gain trifectas in 1 more state to be able to just straight up pass constitutional amendments

dems might as well be finished and bankrupt

>>61463727
>but Trump saved like 100 jobs at Carrier

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/19/carrier-lays-off-300-6-month-anniversary-trump-presidency/491205001/

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>>61463768

>>61463418
>8 years
>implying he won't be out of office by 2019

>>61463768
Just ignore these blue collar fucks. Half of them probably aren't even in college because Milo and Fox News told them not to and "learn a trade."

>>61463819
And your grammar makes you look like the average trumpftard.

>>61463806
A-any day now he's getting imp-p-peached! Just wait!!!

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>>61463778
Don't constitutional amendments need to pass through the governor first? From what I can see the republicans are still at 50% unless they somehow get democrats to sign off on their amendment.

>>61463541
>believing polls
Did you learn nothing from the election?

>>61463620
So does taking account for the methedology used in the poll, which they don't tell you? I wonder why Rasmussen was the most accurate polling firm last election along with YouGov and all the others were so shit?

>>61463943
But the pools were right, Hillary received a majority of the votes.

>>61463943
The polls were completely correct though. They can't account for minor changes in the electoral vote but they accurately reflected the popular vote.

>>61463923
yes, Republicans need only one more state to swing their way.

>>>/pol/

>>61463806
>Just ignore these blue collar fucks
Even Republicans aren't stupid enough to insult their base like this.

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>College students living off the state voted Democrat while people who do actual work for a living voted Republican

isnt that something

>>61463958
national popular vote means jack all when elections are on the state and local level.

>>61463962
A constitutional amendment requires 3/4ths of the states ratifying it before it becomes law, republicans have 50%.

>>61463806
>Just ignore these blue collar fucks.
This is why you're going to lose very election, your own arrogance.

>>61463956
>>61463958
They didn't predict the Rustbelt states would go red by the margin that they did, so they're methedology was probably shit meanwhile YouGov's and Rassmussen's prediction that Rep turnout would be higher this cycle led to them actually having correct polls. Fancy that.

>>61463989
It doesn't though, popular vote is what determines the electoral vote. In general the more popular candidate wins the electoral vote or at least that's how its supposed to happen.

>>61463956
>>61463958
I remember them saying she had a ~99% chance to WIN, not get most of the votes. Getting most of the votes doesn't win you anything but a participation ribbon.

>>61464016
>He doesn't understand that each state has differences in demographics that affect polls
>He doesn't understand that national polls are almost always inherently shit because they don't account for differences state-by-state at all

>>61464035
The polling was completely correct though.

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>>61464053
>The polling was completely correct though.
>but it didn't actually reflect reality of who won
Really makes me think you people are living in another fucking world some times.

>>61464053
Except when they didn't take into account Florida's Cuban population, the whole of the Rustbelt and the fact that Trump got 9% (34%) of Hispanics voting for him than Romney, despite thae fact that the DNC tried to push the "magical boost in Hispanic voting rates" meme

>>61463992
>The legislatures of three-fourths (currently 38) of the states, within the stipulated time period
ok so they need 4 more states. doesnt matter about governorship

>>61464088
I'll never stop feeding off of the tears of Ana Navarro who was so excited that "Latinos will be the ones to beat Trump at the ballot box".

>>61464088
I would like to add it was because of those shitty polls that the DNC even pushed that meme anyways

>>61464016
the electoral vote is determined by 50 seperate state referendums.

>>61464088
*9% more

>>61449560
>no Linux option
>not even an "other" option
Seems like a shit poll.

>>61463760
>>61463778
>muh constitutional amendment
And what part do you suggest amending?

>>61464070
The vast majority of elections don't end up with the candidate who didn't win the popular vote winning the electoral vote, so most polls just go for popular vote since it's a much simpler, faster, and less involved process while still being accurate for almost all elections.

>>61464070
Hillary won the popular vote. It's not possible to accurately predict how the electoral votes will be distributed in advance, especially when the margins were as thin as they were. Polls were predicting the margins wouldn't be as thin and those were wrong but the polling accurately reflected the popular vote overall which should have indicated that Hillary would win the electoral vote by a narrow margin.

>>61463806
>"learn a trade [that will soon be outsourced or die out]."
FTFY

>>61464134
>It's not possible to accurately predict how the electoral votes will be distributed in advance
So you admit that the polls are garbage?

>>61464122
i will also add that states don't even need to hold a referendum in order to allocate electors, they can do it by state legislature if they so wished.

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>>61464130
>most polls just go for popular vote since it's a much simpler, faster, and less involved process while still being accurate for almost all elections.
May have been true before 2000, but the thing is with the 2000 election was a major wakeup call to change that methodology

>>61464130
>And what part do you suggest amending?
An amendment to repeal the 19th amendment.

>>61464176
The 2000 election should have been a wake-up call to change the voting system so it accurately reflects the will of the people.

>>61455257
Implying that Trump didn't just pass the bill that lets ISP's sell your browsing history to anyone who is willing to pay for it.

>>61464263
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Compromise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise
Read a book, nigger
>>61464270
>Trump makes laws, not enforce
them
Again, go back to Civics 101 and learn about "checks and balances" and the executive and legislative branch and their duties

>>61464176
>May have been true before 2000, but the thing is with the 2000 election was a major wakeup call to change that methodology
Companies aren't going to move to a massively complex and more expensive system involving keeping up to date numbers on every single district and factoring in each state's election laws just because 4 elections in the history of the country ended up with the president losing the popular vote.

>>61464340
>polling organizations aren't going to move to a more accurate system that works for all situations because it's more work
Yeah, sounds right for PoliSci. They're truly the biggest hacks around. Especially Nate Bronze.

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>>61449618

>Android is pretty much irrelevant.

This is what iBabbies actually believe.

>>61449867
>votes Clinton
>calls others nigger lover

>>61464340
Then you are going to get shit polls. Each region of the US has massively different demographics compared to any other on an ethnic, religious, ancestral and socioeconomic scale along with voting patterns. The Southwest is different from the South is different from the Northeast is different from the Northwest. Doing it by state is even better, but you can't just assume all of the US is the same, because that's not reality. So if they can't account at the very least for each region of the US's demographic differerences on these levels, then you basically are defending a shit poll.If you want a really good poll, look at their methedology and determine if it's shit. What I laid out is one step.

>>61450181
GA06 was a pure swing state. Trump only won it by 1%.

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>>61464424

All of my keks.

>>61449560
>use Mac
>use Android
>voted for Trump

Shit, I think I missed a memo

>>61464457
Maybe District 6 which I believe is Atlanta, but Georgia is a solid red state. The South for the most part (minus maybe North Carolina and Virginia) is a Republican safezone. and the woman that ran against Ossof won it by 8%

>>61452156
The gerrymendering is actually pretty insignificant. What matters are 90% D seats and 50-70% R seats. Dems fucked themselves.

>>61450181
That district in the Georgia special election included Atlanta. That's where all the niggers are so you do the math. Even the most red of state has a rotten blue infestation called a city. Plus everybody likes to conveniently leave out that there was no incumbent advantage what so ever, so of course it will be a lot closer.

>>61463389
>the people
>48.2%
lol

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>>61452156
>What if we draw the lines so districts are better represented by their representatives politically?
>REEEEEEEEEE this is racist

>>61452156
the most gerrymandered state in the union is Maryland

>>61463541
What a nice poll. Now let's look up gallup where the party identification hasn't really changed and neither have Trump's approval ratings.

>>61464381
>because it's more work
Not because it's more work, because it would cost significantly more. How do you plan on securing all the extra funding necessary just in case that election happens to be a statistical outlier when such an event has only happened 4 times before in the history of the country?

>>61464454
>Doing it by state is even better, but you can't just assume all of the US is the same, because that's not reality.
Doing it by state isn't enough to get accurate results. You would need to do polls of every voting district if you wanted to be sure your polls were accurate.

>>61464504
There's no other way to count votes. We can't accurately record no-shows as votes because there's a lot of reasons why someone might not vote and not all reasons are because they hate both candidates.

>>61463956
>majority
No, only 48.2%, not 50+1%.
And the polls were still off by 2% on average which is a 3 million swing to Trump. Additionally, they were only close because Trump underperformed in CA while overperforming everywhere else.

>>61464537
>Not because it's more work, because it would cost significantly more.
So the polls aren't driven by actual accuracy and better modeling, but by money? Real believable system you've got there. Only a jew would have faith in that kind of system.

>>61464481
GA06 is still a swing district, even if GA is red.

>>61452156

Fuck off, Tyrone.

>>61464568
>hey boss, we need several times as much funding on the off chance that this next election happens to be a statistical outlier that may not be accurately predicted by regular polling
>by the way, we also aren't going to be able to keep polls as up to date
>implying most bosses would sign off on this
>implying organizations that do polls aren't still businesses
Not to mention, there is still the issue of how many of the previous elections where the president didn't win the popular vote had polls that consistently showed they would lose vs being too close to call (which would make the situation even more of a statistical outlier).

>>61464742
All I hear is excuses for the polls being shit and not reflecting reality.

>>61464515
Representatives picking their constituents is like the complete opposite of what you want. It leads to less compromise because representatives don't have to worry about being voted out which then leads to less satisfied voters.

>>61464581
I did grant you that point. I said "Maybe District 06..."

>>61464525
Republicans control like 50% of the states in the US.

>>61464263
You only want to change it because the Democrats lost twice due to it.

>>61464537
>Accounting for a state's demographics won't work when trying to see how it votes.
>What is phone polling?
We've had this shit since the 40s and it's gotten remarkably good since then since most everyone has at least one phone in their household

>>61464819
And? That doesn't de facto they're gerrymandered. It could very well mean there's any host of any other phenomena to explain it, including the fact that the country is going more red each cycle.

>>61464922
>>Accounting for a state's demographics won't work when trying to see how it votes.
The 2000 presidential election was decided by 537 votes in one state. To accurately predict the 2000 election in Florida you would have needed to poll every district. To keep a running poll you would need to do that regularly. Just trying to go by demographic information would not be enough.

>>61464998
The 2000 election was a literal shitshow because Florida's newly implemented voting system was fucked, leading to many people being confused about the new method and Thousands of votes being thrown out, all because of Jeb! It really wasn't an issue of demographics as the actual voting system itself there

>>61464967
They get to decide on the voting districts in 25 out of the 50 states. Democrats have 5 states.

>>61464998
Also nigger, we've perfected the art of phone polling in district with similar demographics. It's not all that hard to do, cheap and relatively effective at polling people across one state now that nearly everyone has a phone. All you have to do is sample a random batch of people of a size that will reduce the amount of error to reasonable levels and then poll away in a group of districts with similar demographics an repeat untill you have the whole state covered. It's not a hard thing to do at all to get accurate state polls.

ITS ALMOST LIKE THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE DATA