THREADRIPPER TO COME WITH AIO PREINSTALLED

How can they preinstall the cooler if the box doesn't include a motherboard?

>>61433937
At least you'll have water on hand for the house fire.

>>61433937
Seems like the "good cooling" of 4 separate chips isn't as good as Everyone thought.

>>61434045
you mean two zeppelin dies?

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>>61433937
I HATE AMD SO MUCH

>>61434020
They haven't confirmed yet if the AIO will be compatible with X299 though

>>61433990
Very carefully.

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>>61434045
Your line of thought is that because threadripper comes with AIO, it means they run so hot that they definitely need AIO, but your deduction is flawed.

>>61434085
lemme see, for $1000 your options are

>16/32 soldered monster bundled with an aio
>10/20 glued together housefire inducing jew jizz stained atrocity bundled with fuck all

tough choice...

Shitty budget AIO leaks all over everyone's PC and AMD is forced to buy them new ones. Sell you stock while you still can.

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>>61434101
Fuck you, goy.

>>61434107
nice try shlomo

>>61434101
you forgot to add the cost of replacing all components when they get poo water dropped on them because of non-existent qc

>>61434165
cost of replacing pc components > cost of replacing house following the housefire generated by skylake-x

>>61434172
>build skylake x and threadripper in the same case
>the heat from skylake x instantly evaporates the leaking water from aio
>you can also put tap on side of case and brew coffee while running benchmarks

>>61433990
whos ur father eddie murphy ?

>>61434172
it's funny that people use the house fire defence for a cpu the requires a 120 mm aio minimum for cooling even though the die is the size of a plate

>>61434188
i wish that was a joke but skylake-x literally boils the coolant in a custom loop:

https://youtu.be/ivSJVNqbCrY?t=3m11s

>>61434165
You mean the quality control of a heat spreader that is twenty degrees cooler than the die?

Or the quality control that causes processor heat spikes whose only solution is not to overclock?

>>61434218
it's not a defense its a criticism of a toothpaste cpu that requires a minimum of a custom loop because even a 240mm AIO can't keep it below 100c

>>61434099
A sound conclusion to draw from what we saw with bulldozer and The FuryX.

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Because Intel totally doesn't recommend AIO liquid coolers for their high TDP chips...

>>61433937
>pajeetpowerup
ill believe in those """""news""""" once a reputable source is cited

>>61434246
Funny because the Nano had better power efficiency than anything in NVIDIA's lineup at the time

>>61434252
They're the biggest intel shills you deluded retard.

>>61434250
delet

>>61434101
>AMD is shipping a desktop CPU with 16 fucking cores w/ smt and good clocks/IPC for less than $1000
How the fuck did we warp into this timeline? This is fucking unreal. 16 real motherfucking cores. That's more than the number of years most of you have been alive.

>>61434274
>That's more than the number of years most of you have been alive.


XD

>>61434250
>circa 2007

>>61434262
>They're the biggest click bait fake news source.
there, fixed that for you, summer

>>61434218
Do we know that it absolutely requires it? Remember that amd didn't have to change their lower end cpu coolers but they did for no apparent reason.

>>61434289
nah that's intel's favorite news source, wccftech

>>61434287
It's direct from Asetek, and it's still on their website, so I would assume that it has been kept up to date.
I discovered it when I found one on a shelf at my local brick and mortar.
http://www.asetek.com/desktop/do-it-yourself/intel/intel-bxts13x-liquid-cooling/

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>>61434172
>skylake-x
>housefire
Understatement.

But /g/ told me air cooling is better than liquid cooling. How can this be?

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>>61434287
Also, this.

>Q2,2013

>>61434313
CONFLICT FREE OY VEY

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>anon! your threadripper is here!

>>61434274
>That's more than the number of years most of you have been alive
10/10

>>61434329
T H I C C

>>61434307
Air cooling is better because it's much more reliable. How often do you hear of an air-cooler malfunction?

>>61434325
You know that's actually a good thing, and a valid marketing point right?
It's the same as fair trade chocolate/coffee etc.

>>61434367
except there's no validation to it

>"Conflict free" refers to products, suppliers, supply chains, smelters, and refiners that, based on our due diligence, do not contain or source tantalum, tin, tungsten or gold (referred to as "conflict minerals" by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission) that directly or indirectly finance or benefit armed groups in the Democratic Republic of the Congo or adjoining countries.
>based on our due diligence

AMD actually have their supply chain audited frequently and share data on their page. https://www.amd.com/en-us/who-we-are/corporate-responsibility/supplier/conflict-minerals

they don't just claim to be conflict-free based on their own opinion on it

>>61434329
That's a radio telescope.

>>61434409
No, it's becky.

So what's the deal with water cooling? I get that custom loops are an enthusiast solution and can get you pretty good performance but they require a large amount of commitment and are really just a hobby thing. But AIOs seem to get a lot of hate yet are used pretty often. Is it just that it's cheaper to ship a meh AIO rather than a good air-cooler that can perform the same or better?

>>61433990
fpbp

>>61434436
Yes.

Threadripper has a 180w TDP. That's big dual 140mm tower heat sink territory like the Noctua NH-D14.

It also pretty much idiot proofs the CPU cooling. As it comes prepackaged.

>>61434436
AIO have several problem, like they are hard to maintenance, and usually are worse by a small margin than full loops counterparts.
They are not terrible by any means, they are actually rather good for people who don't care about making custom loops.

>>61433937
Does it come with a GPU block too?

>>61434299
>t. poorunr

>>61434400
this, its just jewish marketing wank

>>61434400
>caring about nigs dying

>>61434477
Judt because you're human trash doesn't mean the rest of the world wants to promote violence over minerals.

>>61434461
>>61434436
Also, the good thing is, if a AIO leaks or destroys some Hardware, it will be refund of the hardware which is not usable anymore. Try that with a custom build loop

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>>61434436

>>61433937
I forgot to put AMD and Intel in my filter. Thanks for reminding me.

>>61434477
its ok when intel does it

>>61434498
but the rest of the world doesn't care
this is just pure PR bullshit

>>61434436
It's easier to fit a single rad AIO into a chassis than a comparably performing air cooler.

Say you need to cool 140W in a small case. You might not be able to fit an NH-D14, but you will be able to fit an AIO and mount the 140mm radiator to the front, top, or rear of the case.

It also puts less strain on the motherboard. A massive heatsink hanging off the PCB can strain some of the motherboard components, especially in transit, where the case might get banged about.

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>>61433937
>stock coolers

>>61434501
Depends greatly on the individual brand.

AIO is a shitty term to use. Can we start calling it a CLC already.

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>>61434534
watchu talkin bout?

>>61433937
I bet they're doing it because so few brands will have coolers ready for launch

>>61434534
Dude where you been? the new AMD stock air coolers are fine. So much that you'd only recommend an aftermarket one if they're going for absolute max overclock.

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>>61434549
I'm talking about stock coolers being shit
>>61434555
>AMD
>fine

>>61434567
It's okay brah. You just woke up from a five years hibernation, it's okay. No need to be grumpy.

>>61434567
>AMD binned CPUs manage 600mhz OCs on the stock cooling

>>61434567
>it's bad because it's amd
i really hope weak shitposters are banned now on g

>>61434530
This is easily the biggest advantage of a CLC. Not only is it easier to fit, but you also get more control of where your hot air ends up.

>>61434436
/g/ is pretty retarded about overclocking and cooling cpu's. They see benchmarks of AIO cooler and air coolers like the NH D-15 and are like 'hey it's only 1 or 2 degrees difference between air cooler and AIO. But they don't realize that those tests are at like 1.2v with a 4790k and once you crank up the volts to 1.35 that 1 or 2 degrees becomes like 5-10 degrees and suddenly you are thermally limited with your big air cooler while the AIO can overclock a few hundred mhz more safely.

>>61434567
Double down o. Stupud faggotry if you want, but the rest of us will laugh at you being a gigantic faggot.

>>61434585
Yeah a 240mm rad usually has a bigger overhead than even the biggest tower coolers. Rarely so for single fan CLCs which then need to be pretty thick and end up being noisy compared to something like a NH D15

>>61434618
A thick 120mm CLC will still outperform the biggest air coolers. Like the H80i v2.

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>>61434436
>>61434585
Flipside of that is obviously the difference in price tag and in noise.
The D15 is infact a great performer.

>>61434664
My point is that when a 120mm CLC does, there's a real risk of it being quite a bit louder.

>>61434665
Anon, 5-8 degrees difference is a lot when it comes to overclocking. It seriously makes the difference between a stable and thermally safe overclock.

>>61434698
Yeah it's not nothing, and if I had one of the eight core Ryzens at 4GHz I'd build a custom loop.
But in the case of the six cores, I think the D15 looks pretty good. Obviously depends on the voltage you need to go to, lottery and whatnot, but below 70°C under load is fine for me.

>>61434665
It's getting badly beating by the X52 even when fans are running at 50%. But yeah it's cheaper. People that are building these $2500 rigs usually can usually spend the extra 50 bucks for a better performing cooler though.

>>61434722
>one of the eight core Ryzens at 4GHz
they don't run that hot you know, you don't have to let your experiences with intel processors scare you off

>>61434724
meanwhile the X52 fan has double the noise plus the pump makes it even noisier

Why would they do this shit? If this shit leaks (some WILL leak), they will have to refund the entire build for one poor faggot.

>>61434724
>at 50%
Well not exactly, but yeah like I said earlier, 240mm rads will have a bigger overhead.
The H115i at 7V is even more interesting to me. Both cheaper and cooler than the NZXT coolers.

>>61434738
The GPU is the loudest thing in a PC anyways. Unless you aren't running one.

>>61434577
>600mhz

Wow it's fucking nothing
I can OC my cpu to 5.2GHz

>>61434750
Yeah my next case is going to have room for a 280mm rad. It just makes sense from a noise perspective to have bigger radius fans.

>>61434744
>people will claim the aio leaked and ask refunds
I can already see the equivalent of the Intel delidding tool to create a tiny crack on the block.

>>61434735
Some people just think they can buy a 1700 and tell it to magically do 4GHz without blinking an eye.
Because of binning, some people can't even get there without going to alarming volts, and you know what that means.
Sure you can actually cool these chips because no mayo, but how far above 1.4V are you willing to go?

>>61434751
Many modern GPUs have heatsinks that are good enough to keep the fans from spinning up at all until the core hits 60C and on top of that they're mostly silent even during stresstesting. Unless the rest of your system is silent enough for your GPU to be the loudest component the GPU noise will easily get overshadowed by an AIO's pump

>>61434754
From 4.5.

>>61434751
Which is why AIO is a retarded term. Because the most important part of a liquid loop isn't included in this "all in one"
Biggest argument in favor of a custom loop is the glory of the GPU block.
Second biggest is the below ambient noise operation.

>>61434754
On the stock intel shitsink?

>>61434769
?? do you not overclock your GPU at all? How do you keep it under 60 degrees when stress testing?

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>>61434756
Absolutely

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>>61434764
Pretty comfy with my 4.025GHz, it's important to keep in mind how differently AMD processors take core voltage compared to Intel ones. A Skylake-X CPU at 1.25V is going to be insanely hard to cool while you can get to 1.5V with Ryzen and it won't be at all difficult to cool, it just won't be a good idea for 24/7 use as it will likely degrade over time, at least if sustained.

>>61434787
You can get GPU's with AIO's now pretty easily. Which is my plan for my next build AIO CPU cooler and AIO GPU cooler. I think that's the only way to keep noise reasonable when max overclocking without going to a custom loop.

The AIO refers to the pump, liquid, rad, and fans all being part of one system btw.

>>61434816
Yeah but that's the nicely binned 1800X.
You payed extra for lottery insurance pretty much.
What cooler do you use?

>>61434843
Aren't 1800xs just nicely binned 1700s?

>>61434819
>The AIO refers to the pump, liquid, rad, and fans all being part of one system btw.
I know. I just don't think that's "all"
Infact I consider it entirely misleading. CLC is a much more accurate term.

>>61434849
Yes. Exactly.

>>61434858
Ok CLC it is.

>>61433937
Have we got a price for these things yet, and are they worth getting for gaymind?

>>61434875
This high end stuff usually isn't the go-to for gaming. Wait for benchmarks.
Was it $799 for 12c/24t and $999 for the 16/32

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>>61434436
They have high failure rates
Noisy pumps
Can be beatenor matched by air coolers
Low lifespan

Custom loops have their drawbacks, but the performance is un-matched.
With 400w i9s and
450watt Vega, we might see a resurgence of custom loops.

>>61434875
Save your money if you are gaming. Unless someone makes a game that uses all the cores you have which has been talked about for the last 10 years but hasn't happened.

>>61434887
>Can be beatenor matched by air coolers

Here we go again.

>>61434891
What if I want to game and compile linux at the same time

>>61434875
If you want to build a gaming rig that can serve several players at the same time, yes.

>>61434400
>gold

But LEDs have gold bond wires...

>>61434887
>vrm block
only an intelcuck could possibly need this shit

>>61434927
soldered cpus have gold too

>>61434934
VRM blocks can make sense in some cases where a system is totally starved for air, but it's usually pointless.
The correct solution is just a correctly designed VRM and heatsink.

>>61434950
if your system is starved for air you're doing something horribly wrong

>>61434940
Cpus have gold buy default.

>>61434969
just another way intel cheap out by having pads instead of plated pins

true value for money

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>>61434274

>>61434950
>>61434956
Motherboards are designed with a CPU cooler in mind that creates some airflow on the VRMs. Watercooling reduces that airflow significantly.

Probably not an issue in most systems, but can be. Especially with Skyfire-X.

Watercooled RAM on the other hand is just daft.

>>61434777
Still better than overclocking from 0 to 600MHz on an AMJew

So is that like a 100$ value included for free?

K that 12core is looking mighty interesting now.

>>61435066
>Watercooled RAM on the other hand is just daft.
The only time I saw watercooling ram as actually a thing hailed all the way back to the heady days of Skulltrail and the requirement that it used FBDIMMs. The buffer chip on each DIMM got ridiculously hot, and with 4 of them packed together it was a housefire in the middle of the board.

>>61435086
>amd cpus come at a 0 MHz frequency
The brain of Intel shills., everyone

>>61435086
>AMJew
summer, i...

>>61434477
Your country produced technology which can damage people if they do not know how to deal with it properly. Your options:
- do not care bout nigs dying
- prevent people from accesing the technology which they cannot handle and taking the risks which they cannot manage

>>61434849
>>61434867
Then what are 1700x?

>>61435230
Slightly lesser better binned 1700.

>>61434088
lel

What kind of tdp could I handle if I took the cooling system out of an old automobile and put it in a pc?

>>61433937
>we can't make a fan cooler to cool down our shitty CPU, so we are gonna make a very cheap liquid one and we're gonna build it in india, cause it's cheap.. buy hey, if breaks.. well, fuck the end user

>>61437946
t. intel engineer

>>61437303
A car radiator basically starts at 100 kilowatt at the very lowest, so yeah there's lots of headroom, even for a napalm lake build.

>>61437303
Use a SmartCar or Kia Rio/Hyundai Accident radiator (VW UP/SEAT Mii/Skoda CitiGo for Europoors). They're small enough to fit on a desk

>>61434220
wow this isn't even an i9, wtf r u doin intel

>>61433990

/thread

>>61434274
>That's more than the number of years most of you have been alive.
>this is probably right
Just end me.

>>61434875
>are they worth getting for gaymind?
It's a fucking 16 core processor, what do you think?

>>61434020
fugggg

Has anyone ever used a split air conditioning heatsink for custom loop cooling? They're cheap as fuck and are these huge copper things.

>>61434274
Good post my friend

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>>61434274
>That's more than the number of years most of you have been alive.

>>61438878
>>61438701
Motorcycle / Ultralight aircraft radiators exist too.
More than big enough for a CPU + GPU, small enough to be mounted to your case.

>>61433990
Maybe they soldered the block with indium to the IHS or die itself. And with how big that socket it, it's not a wonder why AMD would include a good cooler to start. Probably not many more options at launch.

>>61434274
upboated my friend

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>>61433990
Really made me think.

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>>61434274
>That's more than the number of years most of you have been alive.

>>61434461
>Small margin
My Fury X, on its original AIO, would hit 61c quite easily while playing Ashes on the Singularity.
Putting it on a custom loop alongside an i7 4790k @ 4.6Ghz in the same situations in AotS? 41c
20c difference is hardly marginal. That's a fucking 1/3 drop in temperature.

The only unfair part of the thing though is the Fury X uses a THICK 120mm rad while my custom loop runs 2 ultra-thin 360mm rads

>>61439871
Oh, I ought to also mention that the Fury X AIO would hit up to 100% fan speed when at 61c, which was very loud. Generally it would stay at 50% but it seemed like the ramp went 25% -> 50% -> 100%.
On my custom loop, my fans don't go above 50% unless the CPU hits 58c, which they'll then move up to 75%. Still a lot quieter to have seven fans total going at 75% + a D5 pump @ 100% than the fury X fan + pump at 100%

>>61437303
Been done before, and it's stupid.
XSPC sells 480 rads for $50 that are made for PCs.

>>61439871
I always hated the performance of AIOs
Buddy of mine had a Corsair h100i on a 4790k and we kept getting 75C load temps even at 4.5ghz.
Redid the thermal paste and fan profile and only got it down to 70c.

>>61434913
Then you should kill yourself.

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>>61434220
>literally boils the coolant in a custom loop:
No it doesn't
That's just because that dude didn't use the proper parts in his Tank.
It causes the fluid to foam up.

Several tests have shown skylakeX has extremely bad heat transfer from the chip to the HIS.
It would be impossible to boil the coolant

>>61434218
They're including an AIO precisely because it's the size of a plate. Current AIOs and most regular heatsinks won't fit it.

>>61434287
Were AIOs even a thing in 2007? I don't remember them until like 2009.

>>61441356
no regular heatsink on the market today will give justice to the size and disposition of the dies under the IHS on threadripper nor EPYC

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>>61441411
First AIO I remember was the h50
That's 2009 ish

>>61440673
>impossible to boil the coolant
If the pump is working it would be hard for any chip.
Even a 480 wouldn't stand a chance.

>>61440673
This. ^

>>61434220

Unless your CPU gets to 106°C or 232°F (since its a coolant boiling point rises) it won't boil.

>>61441732
You are wrong senpai.
The Skylake X lineup has bad heat transfer from the Chip to the HIS.
You will not boil the coolant because you cannot sap the heat from the CPU.

A 480 40mm rad has a 600 watt capacity

>>61433990
>Confusing the OP title to the actual link or article header
>I'm a nigger

give it to me straight /g/:

im too retarded to do custom liquid cooling. should i use the included AIO for threadripper, get a diff one, or just stick with a giant ass fan? what's more likely to be quieter?

>>61442107
The AIO should be fine. TR isn't going to have the same heat dissipation issues X299 has.

>>61442107
if you want quiet, you should get one of the heatsinks noctua will release for TR, but don't expect any overclocking capability

>>61442235
>>61442373
thanks I'll look into this

not too into overclocking anyway

>>61442107
Instead of preordering, wait for some tests that show what the thermal status of the chip and the aio is.

>>61439871
>That's a fucking 1/3 drop in temperature.
>334 Kelvin vs 314 Kelvin
>1/3

You, sir, are a retarded cocksucking nigger fucking shiteating cunt faced dick faggot.

>>61434223
*BURN

>>61433937
>preinstalled
are you retarded?

>>61443194
Honestly this is probably just the Alienware prebuilt with TR that has an AIO preinstalled.

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>>61442107
giant ass heatsink from noctua

>>61433937
When will this water cooling meme end? It was a funny joke but it's objectively worse in every single way compared to air.

>>61443403
it wont because it has it's uses and aestethics

>>61434555
AMD stock coolers sound like a vacuum cleaner

>>61443403
Doesn't it cool better?

>>61443570
the big ones yes but they also cost a lot more and have the chance (even if it's super tiny) to leak, but some companies give you warranty to replace parts if that happens

>>61434329
I hate this bf4 map

>>61443620
BF4 has shit maps in general.

>>61443643
bf3 and 4 are shit games in general

>>61434329
that's your anus relaxing after clenching it so much while waiting for threadripper

>>61443606
I honestly doubt the big ones even have a significant difference in radiator surface area than a standard tower cooler.

>>61443884
you can find out if you do a simple google search

>>61443884
Tower coolers get in the way. You can have as many external radiators as you want with liquid cooling.

>>61443961
not with AIO but they're still slightly better in some cases