>asked my CS prof why he uses a Mac instead of Linux >laughs

he's right though

>>61429263
Sometimes it's nice to just pay a little extra to get something decent with no effort. Sure it's not too much effort to get drivers working and shit but I have disposable cash so I don't care.

Also the terminal looks very nice on OSX.

He has to spend time teaching your stupid ass

>>61429263
Mac is a device, a device which can run Linux.
Linux is a kernel, which can run on a Mac.
OP is a faggot.

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Later, I was working in the lab on an assignment. I was using my ThinkPad running Arch + i3.

He walks past me, stopped and asked "how much time did it take you to set everything up?"

I said it took me a few hours to get everything set up the way I liked it.

He replied "if only you spent that time studying, you'd be producing better code"

>>61429421
Setting up your system and getting to know the internals is never a waste. If you have a shitty grade and you're wasting time setting up linux then I would agree with your teacher.

>>61429263
Your CS "prof" is a dumb cuck

>asked a litter collector why he won't get a better job
>laughs in my face
>says he got better things to do then mess around schools trying to get qualifications

>>61429421
>a few hours to get everything set up the way I liked it.
What does it look like? I've spent two entire weekends and I'm not even close to having what I want yet ;_;

>>61429263
>professor
>better things to do
If he had better things to do he'd have a real job.

>>61429421
rekt kunt, uninstall arch.

>CS prof
>Tell him I use hackintosh
>Get a thumbs up

>>61429263
Tell him he should enjoy his propietary software slavery and send him a few stallman speches.

>>61429698
Frankly I'm tempted to report him to the department chair for bullying. It's totally ruined my self-esteem.

>>61429685
auti

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>>61429263
Your professor confuses Linux with ricing. Pic related, Jeff Dean has plenty to do on stock Ubuntu. He literally made Google what it is today.

>>61429714
Your skin isn't black enough for those antics

>>61429720
>auti
>search 'auti' on google
>look at all results
>switch to image results
nice

>>61429734
I only get car pictures

>>61429263
He's right whether you want to believe it or not.

macOS as an OS is brilliant though. Its only Apple's hardware choices that raise concerns. Like their thermally gimped trashcan, all USB-C laptops with no real high power options etc. The OS though, basically flawless.

>>61429263
He's right.

Linux is for hobbyists and neets.

>>61429785
>t. mactoddler

macOS os an excellent OS, gimped by Apple because they can't have so much quality

Linux is a complete piece of garbage that people slowly try to get to work fine

>>61429802
Keep copping, but you know it's true.

>>61429263
>2017
>trying to get Linux working
I have not had to "try to get Linux to work" in nearly 10 years. Everything is flawless out of the box these days.

>alright class, today i've put together a beamer presentation on the numerous advances made by the FOSS community in recent years
>let me just connect to the projector real quick...
>uhhh it's not seeing it, hold on, let me just
>uhhh maybe it's my iptables rules, hold on let me try this
>uhhh maybe i need to run the client as root, hold on
>is it even on? somebody check if the projector's on
>uhhh well it should be connected but it's not doing anything, uhhh
>uhhh does anybody remember the netstat flags to show all the uhhhhhhh
>uhhh okay nevermind i'll just hook in through HDMI hold on
>uhhh hold on
>uhhh it sees the projector it just doesn't do anything hold on
>uhhh let me just add this to my xorg.conf, that should do it
>uhhh how do i add a resolution, i think i might need xrandr, let me just install that real quick hold on
>uhhh okay if i restart it should just automatically, uhhh, hmm, guess not, maybe I need to uhhhh
>uhhh oh, i should have put it in xorg.conf.d hold on let me restart again
>uhhh weird now my laptop's upside down hold on
>uhhh let me just check the arch wiki again real quick hold on
>hey did anybody check if the projector's on? it is? well check again, maybe it went to sleep
>uhhh oh maybe it's because i have kernel mode setting turned off, let me just update GRUB real quick
>uhhh well now it doesn't boot
>uhhh maybe i can VNC into my desktop at home from this smart projector and
>what do you mean class is over

bought a am4 motherboard ryzen 1800x and ddr4 ram, dualbooting openpepe and w7

windows: shitty resolution no drivers usb ports dont work so i cant even fix it

opensuse tumbleweed: change the default network device anderen continue doing Shit

mac: lol upgrading xdd

>>61429346

Although I prefer Linux systems, its pretty neat that you can even customize the terminal preferences to even look like Linux terminal

>>61430094
This is what way too many people see as using Linux every day. Truth is, if that happens, you only have yourself and your autism for 'muh minimal kernel and conf' to blame.

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>>61429727
THIS.

Stock Ubuntu user here. I'm not really interested in customizing what is already a good DE with good built-in keyboard shortcuts.

I've customized my Kernel (lowlatency for audio), customized my PC (liquid cooling for fun), customized my startup scripts (to let jackd and pulseaudio coexist), customized my input settings (to easily switch between English US and English INTL keyboard), customized my Docker configuration (to restrict Docker apps system permissions), et cetera.

People who feel a need to leave their mark on a DE are 'power users'. In other words, people who know just enough to fuck up their system.

Someday you'll realize that stock is the most productive configuration, because it's the best tested configuration.

>>61430094
>iptables rules
>projector
Sounds like the guy in your story is stupid and isn't using a DE which lets you handle projectors and shit really easy. Gnome on Wayland would probably work out of the box for projector.

anyone got that really lame copy pasta of the kid using his arch thinkpad for a class presentation.

he has to go into the config and edit his nvidia drivers to get the projector to work or something

>>61429263
CS is not CE
Computer Science is about the science behind computation, not actually engineering computer hardware/software systems.
Unfortunately, the distinction isn't made very clear and many schools only offer CS and treat it as CE.

>>61429263
>mess about trying to get Linux working

There's literally nothing to mess with unless you choose to do so. Ubuntu installs in 20 minutes and requires no configuration.

>>61429263
>frogposter
>retarded
All in order.

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>made "the switch" last year by trying a few distributions until settling on Xubuntu
>installed on my laptop while having my Windows desktop to run back to when I get frustrated by Linux
>have a few growing pains getting used to the environment
>come back and try again if I get tired of fooling around with it
>eventually start to figure out the methodology of using Linux
>wipe and install Xubuntu from minimal net install and only what software I want
>Have Linux configured pretty much exactly as I want it for all practical purposes
>Laptop loads OS in seconds, responds instantly to most commands
It took me about 45 days from start to finish, and that is just fucking around for a bit in the evenings, not sitting down and making a long, concerted effort. But now I would not go back. I only stick to Windows 7 on my desktop for now because of the nature of my RAID setup, but I'll overcome that obstacle shortly.

I installed windows 7 on my uncle's new (to him) T420 today and.... good lord what a slug. Feels awful in comparison to the x220 I have Xubuntu running on. And the installation process and update process of Windows had several shitty moments where you have to have esoteric "gut" computer knowledge get through it. Like I had to sit and wait for Windows Update to catch up with the on-screen display for about 20 minutes while it was downloading the update. The update window was blank during that time, as if it had crashed. But I knew otherwise. And sure enough it corrected itself eventually. That's some bullshit you have to put up with with Windows, and I'm pretty tired of it.

>>61430094
>install *buntu
>connect to projector
>just works

>>61429361
>what is Mac OS 10
>inb4 he thinks it's oh ess eggs

>>61433503
How the fuck did you take 45 days to 'configure' xubuntu?

>>61433521
Enjoy your info being sold then faggit

>>61430094
Strangely that's how I see Windows user. They have more difficulties to plug anything compared to me with GNU/Linux.

>>61433438
20 minutes? Wtf? Windows 10 installs in ~7 minutes on my desktop, and another 30 seconds for the drivers.

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>>61433548
It didn't. It took me that many days of usage before I no longer had issues using the OS. In that time period things would get in the way of what I wanted to do and I'd have to spend time troubleshooting and resolving the issue. After around 45 days I didn't have to learn new things every few days, I could resolve whatever popped up in a couple of minutes using the knowledge I had gained.

>>61433611
So many lies in one post.

>>61433611
>Windows 10 installs in ~7 minutes on my desktop
Ubuntu would probably do it in 3 on the same hardware.

>>61433628
Not him but not a lie at all, if you have an SSD windows 10 installs in like 5 mins

>>61429421
well he's right isn't he?

>>61433657
They made a lot of progress.

>>61429676
That doesn't make any sense. God I hate pretentious retards with no self-deprecation sense trying to form "witty" analogies that only make sense in their head.

>>61433657
i love how linuxbabbis cant accept simple facts

>>61433537
It's an Unix-based operating system that runs exclusively on Apple devices because otherwise they would go bankrupt

>>61430094
I'm in a CS school where everyone run on Linux. We must do presentation regularly. By the end of the year, everyone was using powerpoint on windows because Linux was a fucking mess.
Libreoffice randomly crashing when you plug the HDMI cable, not restarting, forced to fucking restart arch during the presentation, arandr crashed, etc.

After a year, everyone had capitulated.

>configuring your OS
Whats that? No wonder linux is dead

>>61433748
This.

Until linux comes preinstalled and has everything the average person needs, and NEVER needs anything more advanced than Windows style installer level knowledge from its users, it'll never get anywhere as an end user OS.

>>61433835
It has had that for 7 years and longer. How can you have the gall to post on this board without knowing that?

>>61429263
I can guarantee you that he never even tried it, probably read some stupid meme like the one you're making right now.

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>>61429346
> a little extra

>>61429263
>Mac instead of Linux

see a frogger
pull the trigger

>>61429421
You can't just produce "better code" in a few hours of practice.

>>61433575
what are you on about, cia shill?

>>61429745
>Anonymous 07/18/17(Tue)03:57:09 No.614
nice

>>61430094
>>61429263
Why do you lie on /g/?

>>61429783
>The OS though, basically flawless.
More kernel panics on dedicated hw than on a sid install on my netbook. Also the eyecandy is bloat and launchd is basically a POS.

>>61433019
>Computer Science is about the science behind computation
Computer science is math.

>>61434100
>Computer science is math.
It's a meme, not science.

>>61433880
Nobody's talking about this much performance at that price range.
Shoo, autist, shoo

>Tfw university only allows RHEL and fedora to connect to their network

They also have undergrad slaves to set up our laptops with everything we need. It's pretty great.

>>61429943
Fucking bullshit

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>>61434100
>Computer science is math.
/sci/ here, you're a dumbass.

>>61434174
Genkernel can do magic. Deal with it.

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>>61434157
> shoo autist

enjoy getting ripped off, "genius".

>>61434193
I'm not planning on getting any Mac hardware, I'm just saying you're an autist for having rustled jimmies when someone does.

>>61431200
It's real tempting, though. Stock Ubuntu looks OK, but the sort of glass bubble design it still has is a little bit dated. So you swap out the icons for something more clean, then you realize that they clash with the orange aesthetic, so you decide to install a theme...
Eventually you end up with monospaced text that even a 20-year-old with a magnifying glass can barely read and anime titties everywhere.
And then you drop out of college.

>>61434193
that mac is from like 2011 lol

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>>61429421
>implying producing better code and configuring your desktop the way you want it are mutually exlusive

>>61434182
I compile the kernel myself but use genkernel for my initram, really cool stuff

>>61429727
Can anyone tell me what terminal/colorscheme he is using

>>61429727
>mx518
my niggah

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>>61429727
>Handbook of Neuroevolution Through Erlang

>>61429783
Shit kernel
Shit filesystem
GUI worse for screen real estate than even fucking gnome
Comes with an outdated bloated second OS on it by defauly (emacs)
Worst OS desu

>>61434311
Just like the hardware in 2017 macs

>>61434269
lmao dude i couldn't give less of a fuck what you buy

but its nice to laugh at the idiots who fall for the iToddler shit

>>61429421
R
E
K
T

How fucking amazing must it be to teach a programming class and just BTFO spergs all fuckin day...

>>61434174
Not sure why that would be bullshit. In my experience distros like Ubuntu and Fedora are as easy to set up as Windows/Mac these days. Unless you have some obscure wifi chip with bad support, you should have a smooth experience on GNU/Linux.

He's right. Everywhere I've worked the critical software developmeny teams get MBPs. Everyone else gets a Windows workstation that s usually garbage. Never seen a developer using a Linux machine

>>61433747
>arch

You fags who try to install a muh minimalist special snowflake build need to stop crying when your shit breaks.

Ubuntu with Unity, Gnome, or KDE just werks when plugging things in. I had less troubling plugging in an HDMI and getting audio through the TV with Ubuntu w/ KDE than with windows

>>61436717
Why do you hate Arch? You should be hating Void Linux, SUSE, Mint, ReactOS, and a few others.

>>61436799
I don't hate on Arch itself. I hate those faggots who make some ultra minimalist install that is tailored to their home use and then cry and bitch that it doesn't work with every possible hardware out there

Tbh, they are all prob lying and spreading FUD or bait

I installed Linux on my laptop. But I hate having to fuck around with file permissions if you want to get anything unusual done.

>>61429263
tell him that he's an utter retard if he can't install gentoo on his first attempt

>>61429421
>4-5 hrs of "koding" can help me produce good code
Jesus, no wonder the software industry is going to shit.

>>61433602
>>61436681
It isn't "GNU/Linux". GNU only consists of some basic programs every beginner programmer could write, except for gcc. Stallman did a good job writing gcc, but that doesn't mean it has to be included in the name of the operating system. You don't call a car Factory/Car, do you?

Should I get linux or Win10/7 for C/EE classes?

>>61437148
Both

>>61434100
CS is a cross section of math dept, CE, IT, Soft. Eng. everyone who grads with CS degree falls somewhere different on that spectrum

>>61436716
>Never seen a developer using a Linux machine.

Are you retarded, or just a poo in loo shill?

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-platforms

Get out of here you fucking shitskin pajeet curry nigger.

>>61437180
CS is the study of algorithms. Everything you do as a CS student is to further that knowledge.

>>61429421
wow people fell for this b8

>>61431200
if only you spent all this time on studying you'd be producing better code

>>61429263
I think where you go to school they're called "instructors", not "professors".

>>61437209
That's the meat of it, yes, and data structures. But no one leaves CS only knowing that stuff.

>>61429263
>>says that I've got better things to do than mess about trying to get Linux working
He would have to make his own distro to replace the sound and init system

>>61430094
>use gnome
>plug it in
>it just werks™
get bent fegit

>>61436663
Retard it's a fake story.

>>61434174
No it isn't, you dumb fuck, the Fedora installer can be ran by someone who doesn't know what a kernel or a command line. You haven't even tried it.

>>61429263

Your CS professor just uses the unix terminal. Also the school pays for the overpriced shit so he doesn't care about that.

Even then though the hardware is getting so weak in the name of being light that even a terminal monkey should give a shit eventually. Well no its free for him. Which is a tiny example of what is wrong with publicly funded education at the moment.

>>61433019
>Unfortunately, the distinction isn't made very clear and many schools only offer CS and treat it as CE

Absofuckinglutely this, and it really depresses me.

I dropped out of "CE" because the career was really a mix of Computer Science and Software Engineering where I'm living, and it is just not what I wanted.

I'm trying to switch to Telecommunications even though I'm not so young anymore, I hope it isn't too late.

>>61433725
>one is talking about hdd
>other is talking about ssd
retard

>>61429263
>>61429273
>>61429346

A used thinkpad for 300 will work out of the box with unubtu and cost like 300. A new thinkpad which is overpriced and has a worse keyboard will be cheaper then a mac and faster/stronger processor. It will also work out of the box with ubuntu. I have a x260 and the battery lasts 10 hours. Also has a little internal battery that keeps it running in case I need to swap a new battery in. Its nice not having to find a plug ever when working.

Is this the thread where /g/ finally learns that there's no meaningful correlation between the OS a person uses and their knowledge and skills? Many professors also use Windows. This doesn't meant they didn't use GNU/Linux before, it's just a personal preference. The OS on your PC doesn't in any way estimate your power level, 1337 h4x0rs use shitty OS because they really don't give a fuck and can do whatever they need in an OS.

>spend years at an uni to learn aomething that you can just as well learn from a book
University is a joke. I almost regret getting my master degree. I spend so much time doing irrelevant ahit.

>>61429421

Compiling your own linux kernal is actually something all CS students should do at some point in school. Dont just follow the instruction try to understand. Making your own for some purpose could be useful someday and at minimum the look under the hood will improve you.

Arch is probably still a want though.

>>61437354
And I still cant type properly on my phone.

>>61437180
Does CS even have courses in Electronics? How can it even be close to CE? Maybe the program here is absolute trash but...

ie: Linear Systems, Circuit Design, pde and transforms, ede, waves & fundamentals of modern physics, digital signal processing, etc etc

Are this in CS programs?

>>61429263
>CS department chair put emacs as the official editor in all the department created curriculum
>take CS intro course
>professor opens up vim
>if you use emacs you may need to do somethings differently than I do
>I'm using vim, which is like emacs but not as awful

>taking EE course
>professor goes to edit a file on a remote Linux machine
>opens up vi

>>61437354
You don't have PhDs at home that you can discuss various topics with and extend even further your knowledge as well as you don't have anyone to ask at home when you don't understand a problem reading a 10th book about it and if you tell me there's no such problem, then I don't believe you read any worthwile computer literature. This being said, I think your post just screams that you're a douche bag that doesn't see any flaws about himself - such people have generally hard time in the society and at various jobs. Finally, fuck you.

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>>61429676
>MFW garbage collectors in my city make better money than I do

>>61437354
Puts you at a higher status than someone who knows everything you do but doesn't have the degree

>>61429676
He is right you know

We can't survive without people who do common jobs, we can survive without technology, one of the few exceptions is medicine.

Doing a common job>Studying

Common jobs should be better paid.

t. Someone who has an irrelevant job as a programmer when could be helping the world by collecting trash

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>>61437324

>>61429703

Wouldnt ubuntu be easier? Is hackintosh difficult to maintain? Do updates break it or something?

Can I do it in a VM?

>>61429421
Should have replied "Maybe if you were a better professor, you could actually teach me how to produce better code."

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>>61437483
>Windows 8
>Stallman memes

>>61429694
>Sparing three hours a week to teach in college and do something you like
>implying thats your whole career and too time consuming

>>61437483
> Windows 8
Pfft. Though I use it, but I'm not a virgin.

>>61429943
>>61434174

Hes right if you get a decent laptop. If you are using some bullshit you found from dell you should check your parts and make sure you have the drivers before installing.

>>61434311

Mac used to be one generation behind and now its worse. I dont get how they are letting it happen when content creators like photo and video traditionally have been a strong market for them.

>>61434302

I just install Ubuntu and use it. The only thing I need to change is the shortcut to open the terminal since I live in it. Ive got my vim setup on a little puppet server.

>>61430094
>projector
>iptables

what?

>>61436716

Ive seen nothing but windows on old thinkpads.

>>61437148
>>61437172

This. You want windows for whatever software you get told to check out. But I always find linux alternatives quickly.

>>61437682
Don't try, people who post these "omg linux is so hard" have never used Linux. Welcome to the world of paid shills.

These are a few experienced issues using Xubuntu 16.04, which should fairly stable as noob distro
>50% of the times I rename a file on Thunar it crashes
>when I compile a tex file on texstudio it crashes
>KDENLive crashes and in order to a bug which was introduced into the stable version(!), I had to edit an XML file such that the rendered video had acceptable audio
>If I want to use an equalizer on pulseaudio the audio gets fucked up every time the audio ends
>the computer freezes occasionally when I add an external monitor and use xrandr
>for some time the computer freezed whenever I opened libreoffice

Linux is absolutely awful.
Still, Linux is the obvious choice on a server (and thus should be learned by students)
But If you want to do more on your desktop than shitpost on /g/, edit some text files with vim and rice your shitty tiling WM, then you need another OS

>>61438140
unity is the most stable DE
although it sucks a lot of resources

>>61438140
>ubuntu and its derivatives

You asked for this. Debian, Fedora doesnt have these problems

>>61429263
I mean lets get real for a moment. You install windows 10 in about 45 minutes and for most linuxes its about the same but remember. Biggest base linuxes are about 1 gigabytes or 2 while windows 10 can be more than 5 gigabytes of data. And what happens when you open them. On the linux there are about 2 functional buttons, 3 are nonfunctional and in those two buttons there are some pictures to play with. Maybe slide down or up. On windows though, you feel like a god. Its professional its fast, its all functional. You have a godlike user interface. The thing that the linux does not have. You have those two buttons in the linux, but you still search google for codes to write in terminal. Linux is free because its not worth a penny. Nobody would sell a paper without taking the money. Just not sure why people still buy android while windows phone does 10 times more. Trust me. When you work with windows you know some genius ground breaker dedicated himself to give you an operational os

>>61429727
Why doesn't the man use a 40% mechanical keyboard with rainbow colored caps forged by Taiwanese elves and a braided cable woven by the pope personally?
He would be 5000% more productive.

>>61437136
>You don't call a car Factory/Car, do you?
That's not a very good analogy. GNU and the Linux kernel require each other to function properly, whereas a car leaves a factory and can function on its own.

>>61437556
there are a subset of pathetic users on this board who post stallman memes to fit in, yet have never used GNU+Linux

The difference between your professor and you is that your professor actually values his time. He can make more money to pay off the cost of a Macbook but he can't make more time in the day to do the things that matter to him, you'll learn this when/if you stop being a worthless NEET and actually contribute to society.

>>61429703
Not viable.
Hackintosh breaks the EULA which instantly makes it a minefield for professionals. For personal use they're great but in a commercial environment it's a very bad idea.

>>61438330
You're trying to hard

>>61429346
>Sometimes it's nice to just pay a little extra to get something decent with no effort.
Too bad that doesn't apply to homOSeX.

>>61438330
DESIGNATED EVANGELISM

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>>61430094
so this is the gnu/linux power

>>61438740
I was talking about gcc, because that's the only program of GNU which matters, as the other programs are just beginner programs

>>61437148
I wonder.
https://youtu.be/5Qj8p-PEwbI

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>>61429263
Reminds me of this.

>>61440998

This can't be real.

You memed me into using Linux, and now that I bought a thinkpad and planning on installing linux, you stab me in the back? Fuck this board.

>>61429421
>have debian+i3
>prof walks by
>oh is that i3, good job anon
>spent the next hour discussing haskell

>>61429694
>t. unemployed fat autistic retard

>>61429263
the real answer is "im old and don't have time to tinker anymore"

the other real answer is that if your school is worth a shit, then apple does steep discounts for professors since they become brand ambassadors in the eyes of the students

>>61442579
>the real answer is "im old and don't have time to tinker anymore"
>implying not having time for this shit means not having time to tinker with better, more interesting things than subsistence computing
>specifically not implying that apple lets you tinker with better, more interesting things