Vega Liquid Cooled Tested - 440w Housefire

>>61425553
>clickbait websites still bench FE cards in gayms
Holy shit faggots would bench headless cards in gayms and say they are bad since
>no video outputs

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

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Thank you Nvidia!

>>61425585
Reality is that no driver in world will take this arch to the levels of the 1080ti sadly!

The insane power draw is just the shit lining of it all.

>>61425730
>Reality is that no driver in world will take this arch to the levels of the 1080ti sadly!
Hoo boy you're in for a surprise.

>>61425553
>comparable to a 1080 in GAMING at 440w to 180w
The city of AMD

>>61425585
Quadro are good in gayming. Not an argument.

>>61425753
>Quadro are good in gayming. Not an argument.
That was not the point you doofus.

>>61425738
Getting the power efficiency to same levels as well?
Do tell me more!

>>61425553
Ha, now we know why vega took so long. They were unable to meet expected performance requirments and we're forced to up the voltage to the extreme resulting in massive power draw and the need for this.

>>61425819
>Getting the power efficiency to same levels as well?
Oh boy, do you know how GPUs work?

>>61425738
The suprise that amd cannot compete with 13 month old nvidia tech?

>>61425553
2 blocks? is it dual chip?

>>61425865
No, for even bigger suprise.
It happened once before.
>>61425869
No, it's overprovisioned.

>>61425862
No one cares about power draw. The difference between 200w and 400w draw is Fucking nothing even if run 24/7/365

>>61425889
What? Do you know how GPUs work?

>>61425862
>>61425889
Most people dont care about power, i understand that. Problem is all that power generates heat, alot of it. No one wants heat in their system having to use larger and larger coolers for it all.

>>61425941
No, it's not even about power draw.
FE has disabled AVFS and power gating.

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>>61425553

Fuck Raja! Gib Keller back!

>>61425553
in fairness that is peak power draw and the 1080/ti can pull north of 300w

>>61425982
Keller has nothing to do with GPUs and pajeet was lead architect of like every kickass radeon before GCN.

>>61425953
Why though? Seems stupid to disable these things that the "prosumer" also would like to have, or even more so than the gamer wwho often gives no shits about power draw and loud coolers!

>>61426011
Prosumers need stability and not bleeding-edge crashing-every-5-minutes driver stack for new uarch.
Take a wild guess what they did to FE.

>>61425869
No the second "block" further back is actually a reservoir for maintaining stable water flow.

>>61426028
Load the chip with oh about 50% more power than it actually needs and then disable most things that could make it better than their last top dollar arch!

>>61425991
1080 =/= 1080ti

>>61426067
>Load the chip with oh about 50% more power than it actually needs and then disable most things that could make it better than their last top dollar arch!
Exactly!
It's a glorified Instinct demo, they even lanuched ROCm 1.6 a day after FE launch.

>>61425991
100w here and 100w there and pretty soon you could have powered a couple of lightbulbs.

>>61426090
Well just about 3 weeks until we know, just dont blow it out of proportion the gains it might have!

>>61426123
Actually they're going to demo RX (yes, RX, which hopefully means their internal branch drivers instead of shit bundled with FE) tomorrow in Budapest.
But i can almost feel the NDAs.

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Ayyy, and the AMDrone thinks the RX version will draw less power and will beat the 1070 or maybe the 1080 non ti. Kek

Vega is DOA

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>putting a i9 7900X with a Vega Frontier

>>61426159
>not dual 8180
Pleb.
Also V100 is going to be even funnier if you want $20k portable nuclear holocaust.

>>61426157
It will be Doom again with no fps counter i swear!

>>61426176
8180 has soldered heatspreader at least

>>61426187
Maybe they'll say something about
>muh primitive shaders

>>61426220
Nah, dual 8180 + 5x Tesla V100.

>>61426225
Nope, we will get only marketing mumbo jumbo for sure.

>>61426256
Who knows.
Also who cares no one buys Radeon anyway.

>>61426158

it will beat the 1080. but no denying amd fucked up.

they need to stop reinventing useless shit and just focus on brute force like nvidia does.

>>61426366
>but no denying amd fucked up.
?
>reinventing useless shit
?

>>61425553
now give the specviewperf benchmarks

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>>61426411
Weird, huh?

>>61426366
BUT MUH MEME USELESS MEMORY

>>61426425
>useless
>the only JEDEC certified TSV memory
?

>>61426422
and people think that it isn't just a serious lack of proper gaming drivers

>>61426453
>and people think that it isn't just a serious lack of proper gaming drivers
By "people" do you mean tech illiterate /v/edditors?
Because it took like two days for B3D forumites to figure out why FE underperforms in gayms.

>>61426439

Oh great, and what kind of competitive advantage does that completely useful certification give it over nvidia's offerings?

>>61426422
And still slower than quadro p2000, p5000 and p6000...

Vega is doa

>>61426537
MOAR ALUs (or moar something else) in the ~same die size compared to nVidia's offerings.
>>61426545
Quadros use certified drivers with software profiles.
FE drives it on pure compute.
You're clueless.

>>61426481
yeah, I forgot the ""

>>61426558
>MOAR ALUs (or moar something else) in the ~same die size compared to nVidia's offerings.

And?

>>61426566
So you're clueless.

Man what the fuck happened to /g/?
80% of posters are dumber than average forumite.
Especially when it comes to consumer tech.

>>61426558
>FE drives it on pure compute.
What is Firepro? What is the Instinct?

>>61426545
>comparing a semi-professional gpu to one with real certified drivers and a fuckton of other features
https://www.amd.com/Documents/Radeon-Pro-SSG-Technical-Brief.pdf

>>61426576

>y-you just d-don't understand!

Oh yes, this is that time when the amd shill pretends that the amd turd has some special magical thing, even though said special snowflake feature doesn't offset how it's hilarious behind anything from competition.

Performance, shill, where is it?

>>61425889
More power = more expensive PSU, and usually more heat.

>>61426604
Vega FE =/= WX Vega. WX will use certified drivers and will probably cost 3-4 times more than FE.
Instincts are headless ML/HPC cards.
>>61426615
I think you should go back to /v/.

>>61426593
they like to back their own preferred brands and keep making excuses for doing so, then they spread FUD about things they don't like

>>61426625
>I think you should go back to /v/.

I think you should revise your damage controlling tactics because it's not useful to convince anyone. At the end of the day, vega is still a complete housefire pulling almost 3 times as much power than nvidia's offerings while offering performance on par with a 1 and a half year product.

Got any more magic fancy buzzwords to try to shift the focus away from that? Maybe you could throw "supercharged" or something here and there?

>>61426646
Anon please go back to /v/.
You're completely clueless even about consumer tech.
>>61426630
No i mean you can shill/shitpost WHILE having a clue about the things you're talking about.

>>61426439
>HBM
>not completely and utterly useless
Yeah, Fury has totally shown us how great HBM is by making it perform like a piece of shit amirite

>>61426609
>>61426625

So Vega FE is a useless card?

>>61426683
>one product defines performance of entire standard
?
>>61426690
No if you want some FP16 for cheap for home ML research stantion.

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>>61426690

No anon, you don't understand! It's not useless at all, it's really special. You just cannot measure its power or performance on anything! Only the truly smart can see! You're not dumb, are you?!

>>61426713
You need to go back.

>>61426711
>one product defines performance of entire standard
For a guy throwing "clueless" around like candy because you can't actually address any of the points raised, you sure do seem clueless yourself about the fact that bandwidth isn't a problem in the current market.

>>61426745
HBM is not only about bandwith you clueless moron.

>>61426713
>>61426690
>If people want to do anything besides gaming they should spend $2.5k+ on a gpu even if they don't need certified drivers!!

>>61426756
Yeah it's also about drawing even more power than gddr5 to make this piece of garbage draw even more energy. We got that.

>>61426766
So you're clueless.

>>61425585
There's no such thing as a "gaming GPU" you retard, that was just damage control from AMD for the fact that they released FE with no software support. Silicon is largely silicon. Titans and Quadros run games fine, even Radeon Pro's and FirePro's run games fine. Saying "B-but it's not for gaming!" is pure damage control.

>>61425753
>$12,000 graphics card can play csgo and Skyrim at max

Wow truly a nice card

>>61426807
>silicon is the only component of GPU
Fuck me why CPUs are not ded yet?

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>>61426775
Here. Let me sum this up for you.

>>61426831
Oh look, GraphWorks!
So you're still clueless.

>>61425889
>No one cares about power draw

>Skylake-X pulls 300W
>"Holy kek what a housefire!"
>Vega pulls 400W
>"Who cares about power draw, what are you too poor to afford a 1000W PSU?"

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>>61426843

YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND
FUCKING DELETE THIS U R CLUELESS

>>61425553
Put those benches in 1440p/144Hz gaming and Vega will have 1070 performance.

It's literally shilling for 4K gaming when the card can't support 60 fps in majority of titles just like 1080 due to the fact that at higher resolutions performance dips take massive diminishing returns so something like a RX 480 will be only 5 fps behind 1080 when both games can't run a game at 4K. In every benchmark out there I could find for Vega in 1440p the card has performance of a stock 1070.

>>61426593
It's summer vacation for most children right now. Wouldn't ve surprised if half the posters here were 13.

Come back in autumn if it bothers you that much. By then they'll migrate over to 9gag because they won't have the willingness to read more than 1 sentence.

>>61426887
>Wouldn't ve surprised if half the posters here were 13.
Is this place really THAT popular to attract 13 y.o's?

>>61426593
Vega FE is consumer tech, it doesn't have certified drivers. It's has slightly more features than the Titan, which Nvidia has gimped over the years to prevent cannibalization of Quadro sales. But it's still a complete disaster of a launch.

>>61426934
>But it's still a complete disaster of a launch.
It meets their Q2 launch date.
They couldn't care less.

>>61426916
4chan? most probably, why do you think /v/ gets more traffic at times than even /b/?

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>>61426880
AMD shills have to be suicidal right now. Vega has its moments where it drops below 1070 performance.

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So Vega is the best gayming card, not the best compute card, not the best pro aps card, no ECC memory, not good drivers support, not power efficient.

What is the point of this meme card????????? The F-35 of the GPU world?

>>61426975
You mean FE?
It allows you to get 25tflops FP16 for $1k.

>>61426975
Not the best gayming card*

>>61426944
Then why does /g/ shill so hard for AMD when they're perfectly willing to release a card with no drivers just to meet a deadline? What about RTG is actually worth getting excited about? The fact that it takes a year to optimize their drivers for gaming? The fact that their products are consistently delayed? The fact that their power draw is consistently higher than Nvidia's? What about AMD's graphics division attracts such zealotry out of /g/? Is it really just about "muh competition" or something more?

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>>61426916
Only during the summers. r3dditors and 9gaggers toxic waste will spill over into /pol/ and /b/ and then a few will wander onto other boards such as /g/. Though once mommy keep checking in to make sure they did their homework and their friends keep sharing dead stale memes with them they slowly start to leave 4chan until the next summer starts.

Honestly wish more people would tripfag here, at least then we'd know they're most likely not children because using a trip is rocket science to them.

FUCK

>>61426974

I bet if they overclocked the 1070, it could beat this piece of trash on its own. AMD cards have FUCKALL oc headroom anyway, specially when you're already a 440w fire hazard that needs to be water cooled so it doesn't explode.

>>61426975
Don't worry, when you need to get performance out of it, a huge text disclaimer will appear on your screen where Rajesh Pajeet explains to you that you simply don't understand.

>>61427023
>Then why does /g/ shill so hard for AMD when they're perfectly willing to release a card with no drivers just to meet a deadline?
Better than delaying hardware two quarters.
>What about RTG is actually worth getting excited about?
It's basically old ATi.
>The fact that their products are consistently delayed?
That happens only to RTG?
>The fact that their power draw is consistently higher than Nvidia's?
Because killling scheduling to save 10-15watts is totally worth it.

>>61425553
To be fair FE is supposed to be a bridge gap between gayms and other gpu processing, rendering.

>>61427023
It's literally muh competition. It's the absolute definition of /g/'s freetards who sacrifice intuition, performance or own convenience due to socialist beliefs about customer practices, government or free market.
>>61427070
You can spot an AMD shill when reviews don't cover overclocking against overclocked competition. That's the same reason why I couldn't find a single benchmark of OCed 970 against OCed RX 480.

>>61427040
Yes, this thread has at least one /pol/tard.
It's definetly summer since people here had several civil Vega-related threads in spring.

>>61427023
>What about AMD's graphics division attracts such zealotry out of /g/? Is it really just about "muh competition" or something more?

I've narrowed it down to this place being flooded with contrarians. There is a certain kind of personality where the individual suffers from low self-esteem and usually sides with the "underdog" side of all things because they see themselves as the underdog.

>>61427040
>Summer meme
/g/ and 4chan were, are and always will be shit. Don't kid yourself. Implying it was any better with the Ryzen release which was nowhere near summer and its endless wave of shitposters on both fronts. Internet clarity and lack of privacy brings in circle jerks and hive mind thinking. Anonymity brings in edgy retards who enjoy the fun of not being accounted for anything you say.

>>61427121
>You can spot an AMD shill when reviews don't cover overclocking against overclocked competition. That's the same reason why I couldn't find a single benchmark of OCed 970 against OCed RX 480.

Hit the nail on its knee. It was the same shit back then when they were shilling the 390 POS. The 970 smokes this shit when you compare OC vs OC, despite the 970 consuming way less power, because amd cards have little to no OC headroom.

>Buy Vega FE
>Switch to gamer mode
performance stays the same
>Increase power target
performance increases
>Increase fan speed
performance increases
>Water cool
performance increases
>Overclock
performance increases
>Undervolt
performance increases
>Update drivers
performance will increase

>>61427222
>Undervolt
>performance increases
What.

>>61427243
less thermal throttling

>>61427243
theoretically less heat, so less throttling
but yeah, that's a stretch

>>61427222
um sweetie, were you living under a rock? Vega is dead on arrival, just like everyone with half a brain was expecting, only 1070 performance

>>61427316
Hi JHH! How's V100 yields?

>>61427328
better than your yields on non housefire vegas

>>61427360
So, <1.7%?

>>61427243
>As for the task at hand, it seems the best possible configuration is to overpower the core (+50%), undervolt the core (roughly -110 to -90mv), and run a fan RPM that keeps temperatures at or below 80C. That’ll depend on your cooling solution, case, and case/room ambient temperatures.

>This yields a decent boost to application performance (professional and gaming) without costing the insane +90W draw of a straight +50% overpower configuration.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2990-vega-frontier-edition-undervolt-benchmarks-improve-performance

>>61427404
Nice power management you got here, RTG.

>>61427328
Why does someone post this in every thread as a response to any criticism of Vega? Are you AdoredTV or something? Why can't anyone ever actually defend Vega? It's always "b-but Nvidia!"

>>61427417
a lot of AMD cards came with crazy high voltages and could be undervolted with ease though

>>61427430
Who the fuck is adored tv and why can't I shitpost about nonexistent yields for 815mm^2 die?
It's fucking 815mm^2 of 12(20)nm FinFETs.

>>61427316
except in some professional benchmarks where it beats the Titan Xp (> 1080 Ti > 1080 > 1070). With a lot of disabled components.

I just hope that they can make the deactivated parts work in the RX Vega (and, after maturing here, also unblock them in the FE).

>>61427435
Vega uses so-called "typical clock".
It's supposed to have relatively advanced power gating. It's not working, it pumps 1.2v for not reason.

>>61427447
>why can't I shitpost about nonexistent yields for 815mm^2 die?
Because it's autistic posting the same exact phrases in every single GPU thread. Don't you have a life? Every single Vega thread, I see:
>Hi JHH! How's V100 yields?
Or
>Thermi vs. Evergreen!
I wouldn't be surprised if you were responsible for spamming the 2nd one as well.

>>61427476
There are no deativated parts. Vega FE simply emulates Fiji, more or less so.
And without whitepapers that explain all the changes made to CUs you can't even guess the performance impact that carries.

Isn't Vega frontier supposed to be a Titan X competitor?

>>61427492
Because 815mm^2 die is hilariously retarded.
I can shitpost eternally about it.
Because dies this huge are retarded.

>>61427525
AMD never said that. It's the amdfags hype

>>61427542
>AMD never said that. It's the amdfags hype
They literally compared Vega FE to Titan Xp in SPEC.

>>61427542
https://youtu.be/ZHb7fC5zUdU

>>61427542
Now I'm remembering all the fanboys on /g/ who said the 480 would outperform the 1070 and destroy it in sales.

>>61426593
SHITPOSTS
H
S

get my tendies!

this excites me...

>>61426593
This is what happens when you get a GPU release during the summer. It's like a solar eclipse of retardation. Just sage and hide all GPU threads, they're lost causes.

https://youtu.be/OZkfYDWwo7s

>>61427561
>Be nvidia fanboy
>Pretend to be amdfag before launches
>Over-hype the release so people are disappointed
>Another anon blames amdfags
Mission accomplished

>>61426677

Dude what does all that Shit mean? I'm clueless when it comes to this stuff.

Why is Vega good?

>>61427853
Vega is bad and DOA.
You need to buy nvidia.

>>61425553
HBM was a meme after all
> Expensive af
> Uses 35% of the die size
Polaris doesn't need that shit, and still performs really nicely. Why didn't they just improve Polaris instead of making a whole new clusterfuck?

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>>61426975
The f35 is currently preforming flawlessly.
Several European countries were given the true f35 numbers, and soon after Euro orders doubled.
Vega however, doesn't deliver on its promises

>>61427791
Nvidia fans don't are enough to do that.
AMD fans have been over hyping shit for years.

>>61428211
>the whole silicon interposer is the die

>>61428211
>DRAM
>uses die size
?

>>61426975
>The F-35 of the GPU world
I love this new meme

>>61427486
It'll be interesting to see if AMD are sandbagging in the run-up to RX Vega, or just incompetent. They caught Intel off-guard with Ryzen. Maybe Vega will be transformed by working drivers, instead of the broken mess it's currently using, with WattMan detecting it as a Fury X and trying to downclock the HBM2 to 500MHz.

>>61428384
>they caught Intel off guard
No, not exactly. It's just current Intel is full of pajeets and retarded beancounters that still think people will tolerate price gouging because it's Intel.
I guess Intel have learned precisely nothing from history.

>>61425553
I'm sorry, but did Vega already fail? Oh, that's right. The RX Vega hasn't been released yet In fact, we're still weeks away. Does a workstation GPU performing poorly at something it wasn't designed to do count as failing? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when RX Vega isn't even out? RX Vega is still being tweaked and AMD have been the best GPU manufacturer for how many years now? And how many years have AMD been up against developers and reviewers paid off by Nvidia? But you know what? They're still fucking here. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when the RX Vega outperforms the 1080 TI and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, the AMD just announced an official release date for Vega. Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-AMD topics because you're a faggot hater who doesn't like AMD because they have morals. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

>>61428436
That's a nice pasta.
>>61428384
ATi pulled the "conceding high-end for one generation and focusing on R&D" trick once.
It worked wonders.

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>>61426159
>mfw, those 1000w psu's weren't a meme

Ryzen + Pascal master race. Glad I didn't wait for Vega.

>>61425553
All I care is if this shitcards will be selling for cheap and if they will be useful to mine internet magic moneys with them.
Fuck everyone thinking AMD is making cards that can be used to play games.

>>61428479
R5 1600 + GTX 1070 is literally best build

>>61425610
In this particular picture, the Radeon card has the advantage of even being able to fit in a system at all.

>>61428479
Power usage wise that's probably the best but it's been shown that Nvidia drivers have shit performance on AMD CPUs.

>>61429390
Weren't some of those issues ironed out with newer AGESA updates, like the shit RotTR performance?

>>61428314

F-22 > F-35

Vector thrust is fucking flawlessly OP.

>>61429390
but it's been shown that AMD drivers have shit performance on AMD CPUs too.

>>61425553
Pair 2x with Skylake x
Suddenly needs 2kw psu

>>61426366
It's even worse than fury

Fuck. What a piece of shit.

>>61427404
What piece of shit

>>61429848
>Vector thrust is fucking flawlessly
I weld and assemble the exhaust for the f22 and the f35.
Thrust vectoring is stupid as fuck and has no benefits in the modern age.
Also, the f35 would win in a BVR fight against a f22.

>>61430212
Good thing my case has room for 2x power supplies.

>>61425585
but you can see the video outputs.

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>>61425553

>400 W
>temps still better than "140W" Skylake-X

>>61425553
>There are two individual pumps that cool the GPU/HBM2 and the power delivery system

H O U S E F I R E

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>>61430545
>I weld and assemble the exhaust for the f22 and the f35.
>therefore I understand complex aerodynamics

Why the fuck is AMD pushing this abortion of a card onto the public. It should be illegal to make a product this bad and have any marketing to go alongside it.

>>61431354
that's what i really don't understand
this is exactly like skylake X
>there is a very select target audience for this product
>lets try to shill it to everyone instead which will result in displeased customers

>>61428384
Intel caught itself off guard by releasing the same IPC for last 5 years with slightly higher clock speeds and much higher power consumption. The main difference in performance between something like a 2500k and 7600k comes from the much faster DDRAM modules we use nowadays. Both Intel and AMD won't have any IPC gains in any foreseeable future so if you own any decent 4c/8t CPU you're set for life unless something suddenly changes and devs start optimizing for more than 4 cores (PS: It literally doesn't happen outside of 2 or 3 AAA devs that shit out garbage in pretty engines).
>>61428604
This. I wished I was a little bit more patient and bought 1700 instead of 6700k.
>>61431311
That's wrong. It's a single pump with extra reservoir on the right to prevent liquid permeation.

>>61428384
>detecting it as a Fury X and
DING DING DING!

We have a winner!

Vega FE has the barest of optimizations for compute and rendering and in all other aspects it is using a slightly modified Fiji driver. The Vega WX line will see the release of popular professional program optimizations, and the Vega RX line will see the release of a driver specifically targeted for games.

Will this give it miraculous performance, perf/w gains? No, be realistic.
I highly doubt AMD's GPU (lack of) binning process will change at all, considering the $1000 Vegas out now still follow the pattern they've used since the Hawaii release:
>Crank voltage to maximum acceptable limit 90% of chips can handle
>Run clocks to maximum acceptable limit
>Fuck power and temps and real silicon binning

How this shit isn't obvious to everyone boggles the mind.
Vega RX will have game drivers with performance in popular games that lands in between a 1080 and 1080ti at similar power draw numbers as the Vega FE. AMD will not change their factory binning/BIOS settings, regardless that most consumers have no care to mess with their hardware settings.

And finally, Vega RX will follow the same trend as the last 4 GCN revisions: Sucks shit now, better than their on-release competition two years later. We can argue to death the "finewine strategy" that nobody really gives a shit about.
Have you seen how the VRAM gimped FuryX holds out against the 980Ti??

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This is quickly getting out of hand. Will you even be able to crossfire RX versions and if so would it be safe? Maybe they should have waited until December to release this thing so at least it could double as a space heater.

>>61433339
nobody has RX though so it's all irrelevant
p6000 also draws shit ton of power

>>61429158
but not actually being able to interface with anything depending on what perspective you're wanting to look at it from.

any Budapest citizens? go make some photos.

>>61426809
you forgot about the cheaper ones that are still faster in games

>>61426005
Navi will be kickass. Raja Ko-curry will pull through for us. I already wrote Vega off as a loss

I don't give a fuck about MUH BRANDWARS, but for fucks sakes both of them need to step up their game with CLC solutions.

They're all super fucking poor solutions, shit blocks with tiny fucking tubing and piss-ass radiators with piss-ass fans on them.

I understand they need to factor in costs, but jesus christ we've got cards with the same power draw and tiny air-cooled heatsinks doing a better job without the risk of leaks, pump failures and corrosion.

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You faggots realise this means it is going to make it extremely fast, right?

At 375W TDP it's 2.5 times the power of Polaris and that's before you factor in performance/watt improvements.

>>61433479
If you've been in the hobby for longer than 1 day, you'll know that power consumed, regardless of previously indicated performance:watt, means absolutely nothing until solid numbers are out.

>>61433479
Just like Intel's CPUs right?

>>61425610
That is a piss poor photoshop, the image was reversed without changing the letters

>>61432571
Are you retarded? You literally know nothing about Zen or Intel's woes with Core.

>Set for years with a 4c8t

I know you're trying to desperately justify your overspending of an i7, but you don't need to spread misinformation.

>the so called tech board doesn't understand HBM and HBC
>they don't understand technological advancement and competition
>they just want higher clocks on the same fucking product every year for an increased price, aka the Intel of gpus
You guys are dead to me. I hope at least you are paid for your opinion and it's not what you actually believe.