A american plug kill a teen

her own Stupidity killed her, much like how america killed itself

>>61410414
>Madison Coe texted a photo of the extension cord that killed her just minutes before the fatal shock
How convenient

Wasn't the rumor that she was taking pictures of her tits for her boyfriend or something and he couldn't wait for her to charge her phone properly, so she got an extension cord?

Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't phone chargers only deliver 5 volts and a few hundred mA? Wouldn't she have to drop the extension cord it self to be electrocuted?

tragic that someone so young died but really a pretty stupid move

>>61410472
correct

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hopefully this will motivate girls to come into STEM

>>61410472
Extension cord could've gotten wet, outlet could've been shit.

Or chink tier charger put out line voltage to USB ground.

>>61410472
Most phone chargers have very short cables, it's almost guaranteed she did something retarded like put the extension cord plug on the edge of the tub for maximum cable reach.

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>be american
>get plugged

>>61410414
So how is this the fault of American plugs? Most bathroom wall sockets are made to shut off if something like that happened

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>>61410554
See for yourself, these non-american plugs are clearly perfectly safe in the water.

>>61410495
oobantoo!

>>61410414
>daily mail
Post less crass news will you?

>>61410554
Modern bathrooms, yes.

>>61410610
Ah yes, my fellow gentleman, I too prefer my more civilized news from established outlets such as Salon and New Yorker

*tips RESIST twitter bio*

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>>61410414
I prefer to make toast while in the tub

>>61410414
>Her family described Madison as a smart and loving girl
>extension cord in bathtub
>smart

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>Her parents released the photo and text to warn others not to use portable electronics near water
Why no roasties have to be attention whores even from their graves? There was literally no reason to include the photo of her

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>Americunts are too cheap to install an RCD/GFCI/whatever in the electrical panel
They basically cost nothing, and could easily save your life.

>>61410599
That would trip the safeties if it got submerged.

>>61410414
> when you use and extension cord
> and
Anyway, I use a wireless charging pad in the bath.

>>61410414
>warn others not to use portable electronics near water

Really?
They are THIS dumb?

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>using an electric device in your bath
>using an electric device while being wet
>using an electric device without wearing shoes or something to protect yourself from the ground

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>>61410414
Jesus christ burgers, don't you ever get tired of setting new lows for stupidity?

>>61410554
>>61410414

She probably plug it outside of the bathroom plug.

>>61410800
Nothing wrong with any of that except you might damage your device.

>>61410766
>bathroom in older house not having GFCI outlets
It's called grandfathering. Just like how half the homes in the UK are still on fucking ring circuits designed in the midst of WW2 copper rationing.

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>>61410800
>using ANY electrical device without wearing these
ishygddt

>>61410817
or kill you

might sound dumb but how does 5v kill somebody? I have had a zap from phone chargers before and didn't die

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>>61410833
>using any electrical device at all

>>61410793

Do you take all your clothes off and walk into a clean room before handling electronic components while wearing rubber gloves and attaching a grounding strap to yourself to minimize ESD? No? I wonder why that is.

As more devices get more and more water resistant, the fear of mixing water with electronics will diminish and eventually the only time we'll even think about it is when a freak accident occurs.

Not saying we're there right now since we're obviously not, but the transition has to start sometime, and some people will likely die along the way.

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>>61410813
THIS, that's not normal

RIP Madison :c

>>61410768
I think you're expecting a bit much from third world countries

GFCI outlet should have prevented this. GFCIs have been required for wet or "damp" areas for like 40+ years. Sounds like either a very old house, the GFCI failed (not really likely but possible), or the girl used an extension cord to bring in power from another room.

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>>61410829
>>61410887
>>61410896
Nigga, everything should be protected. There really is no excuse. You don't need grounded outlets. You just put this shit in your electrical panel.

>>61410855
It doesn't. Read the fucking thread.

This is very bad. The teen did nothing wrong and did not deserve to die a death like this, in the prime of her youth. I hope that other teens learn from this and are more careful around electrical applciances

>>61410905

homo detected

>>61410842
>>61410875

It's wasn't the phone that killed her.
It was the freaking extension cord, duh.

American education: extension cords in the bathroom are perfectly safe but OMG A BATTERY POWERED PHONE? DEADLY!!!!

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Lots of people are not reading the article.

>Madison was at her father's house on July 9 when she was fatally electrocuted after touching a frayed extension cord she was using to charge her cell phone.

>While she was in the bath, police said she reached over and touched the frayed extension cord, which had water in it, causing the fatal electric shock.

and from another site
>The cord was plugged into a non-grounded outlet with no circuit-interrupting safety mechanism, according to a report from the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission and the Lovington Police Department.

Pic related, had her bathroom been properly wired she would have lived.
>Stupid obama telling me what kind of outlets to have in the washroom!

>>61410855

Amps kill. Not volts. Specifically, between 0.100-0.200 amps. Less hurts, more is blast off.

>>61410414
>taking a bath
Sheesh. Did she still drink from the tit, too?

>>61410610
daily mail is less to the right than huffpaint post is to the left, don't be delusional

>>61410896
Will they even switch fast enough to save you from electrocution when you're in the bath?

>>61410933
Didn't they literally support Adolf Hitler during the 1930's?
Or was that the Telegraph? - I forgot.

>taking baths

Do people actually enjoy dipping in a fecal, piss, and sweat cocktail?

>>61410909

That's exactly what I said. As more and more electronics become water resistant, like smartwatches and phones, the fear of mixing ANY electronics with water will start to subside, resulting in situations like this.

>>61410985
You're breathing that shit in right now

>>61410920
>that pic
This must be some USA exclusive bullshit. Everything in my house is protected with an RCD and the installation is old as fuck. No grounded outlets except in the kitchen.
Similar to this >>61410901
>>61410954
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual-current_device

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>>61410414
I think her parents murdered her and this is just the story they're telling the news...

>>61410901
>Nigga, everything should be protected. There really is no excuse.
In America GFCIs are required in any wet/damp area and AFCIs are required in living spaces like bedrooms and living rooms. AFCIs prevent electrical fires caused by arcs which are a more common problem in dry areas especially living spaces. GFCI receptacles are usually used to protect a whole room and AFCI circuit breakers are used to protect whole circuits. I'm not sure if they make combination AFCI+GFCI breakers but I don't believe they do.

>>61410875
>Do you take all your clothes off and walk into a clean room before handling electronic components while wearing rubber gloves and attaching a grounding strap to yourself to minimize ESD? No? I wonder why that is.
To be honest, I don't like handling the more expensive electronics (phone, laptop) while my hands are wet. I let my phone get wet in the rain, maybe, but that's it.

>>61410923
Energy kills.

>>61411002
No it washes down the drain.

GFCI outlet should be in every room?

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I guess you could say, the roastie got toastie.

>>61410646
dailymail is a fucking tabloid m8.

>>61410954
There's different classes of them for different purposes but for the most part the receptacle type ones are designed to trip at really fast while the circuit breaker ones are a lot slower. Circuit breakers are used in like swimming pools and jacuzzi pumps and lights and shit like that

>>61410414
They should be suing someone for allowing the installation of non gfci plugs in a bathroom.

>>61410599
they are insulated by the rubber pool

>>61410888
But that's not clapistan, anon.

>>61410923
Yep, you can kill someone with only an AA penlight battery, just by cranking the amps up to the max.

>>61411010
You're not going deep enough. The article mentions that the girl was "at her father's house", implying that the father and mother are separated.
I think the father was having an incestruous affair with his teenage daughter, and that's why the parents are separated. The mother, hell bent on revenge, wants to kill her daughter and frame the father somehow, so he goes to prison for the rest of his life. However, the father actually FOUND OUT about these plans before she could execute them. So HE causes his daughter's accident by convincing her to use that extension cord, without telling her it was frayed (the article mentions it is frayed but she didn't know this).
Now the daughter is dead and they're getting huge media attention over this, meaning that the mother can't simply kill him anymore.
Just my 2 Cents.

>>61411024
No reason you can't have both. And there's literally no reason not to have your whole house protected by an RCD, unless you want your death to be somewhat unpredictable. I mean it's so fucking simple. Power comes into the house, power goes through your fucking RCD and then to wherever the fuck it needs to go.

>>61411077
Apparently all of america should be suing whoever the fuck came up with their regulations. NO FUCKING REASON TO NOT HAVE AN RCD THAT PROTECTS YOUR WHOLE HOUSE.

>>61410954
Yes of course.

NEMA specs state that the GFCI must trip within 25ms

>>61410973
DM is a tabloid for low educated, celeb news and brexitfags

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>>61411090
>>61411010

>a american
>and extension cord
>not using a usb extention instead
>being so addicted to your phone you cant go 30 minutes without it

this entire article is pure frusteration

>>61410985

It's my fetish, actually.

>>61410414
why is a 15 year old girl taking photos just as she is about to get in the bath?

>>61410414
as a burger her parents will sue the company that manufactured the charger and they will most likely win

>>61411132
Because they're always taking photo's in one steady stream until... well, they die.

Why has no one mentioned what phone it was? Something tells me Apple is paying the family not to disclose it was an iPhone, same with the exploding Beats headphones on a plane some months ago

>>61410472
Not only that but water is a horrible conductor of electricity.
You basically have to put yourself right between the wires to shock yourself.
Well unless someone used the fucking plumbing of the house to ground the electric outlets and she was in a real bath tub with real drain pipes.

it was probably the later, Ive actually seen this done.

>>61411149
or get v& for producing cp.. oh wait, pussy pass. never mind.

>>61411135
it wasn't the charger.
She touched the frayed extension cord and got electrocuted.

The base fault lines with her for using an extension cord that was frayed.
And possibly on whoever wired the house up, since it is possible ( we dont know the details) that the bathroom didn't have a GFCI outlet installed.


>>61411158
>black charger
>apple
its not relevant to the story, but a few sites have reported it was a Samsung phone
If you drunk drive to your death, does it matter what year and trim the car was ?

>>61411158
the phone has nothing to do with a little ditzy bitch dropping an extention cord into a tub and the color of the charger says it was some android device

>>61411158
Because its not the phone that caused the fault but the retard in the bath tub that created it.

>>61410414
That wasn't an American plug, that was a shitty Chinese adapter. 5V@2A DC doesn't kill people.

>>61411180
She didn't drop it into her tub. That would have done just about fucking nothing. She touched the wire while her body was excellently grounded.

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>>61411088

>>61411180
>>61411179
I know it's not really relevant, but it's still bad publicity, and I find it suspicious they don't mention it anywhere.

>>61411206
she is still a stupid worthless ditzy little cunt who clearly paid no attention in ac2ience class

>>61410436
Deep

>>61411236
OF COURSH. Moron child raised by moron parents kills herself in a moron way. Excellent news material to wake the sheeple up.

>>61410414
>Samsung Edge Plus
>twitter nigger text

No loss just another cultureless consumerist

>>61410766
Most states require that on bathroom outlets. Chalk this one up to dumb poorfags being retarded.

they should make consumer electronics water proof desu

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>>61411085
They're also german, so they're immune to electrocution.

>>61411289
It's beyond retarded not to require it on everything. RCDs have been a requirement on all new house installations since 1975 here.

>>61411008
>This must be some USA exclusive bullshit
They're outlets with built in RCDs, known as GFCI outlets.

>>61411289
Old bathrooms are grandfathered in though.

>>61411562
>They're outlets with built in RCDs, known as GFCI outlets.
Yeah, I can tell. Retarded bullshit.
>>61411562
>Old bathrooms are grandfathered in though.
Again, retarded considering how cheap this shit is to fix. All housing here has to be protected by an RCD. I guess you just value your "freedom" to get electrocuted too much.

>>61411562
>Old bathrooms are grandfathered in though.
Technically yes but if the occupants do any major renovation they have to bring the house up to code, wiring has to be safe, there has to be grounding, GFCIs and AFCIs will be required.

My recommendation is don't buy an old house. The electrical is scary to say the least. Some older houses used like aluminum wire that heated up and caught on fire occasionally. They also sometimes used shitty insulation on the wires that could deteriorate over time and cause arcing which can also cause a fire. Also they don't require grounding, AFCIs and/or GFCIs. Also they might use the older plug type circuit breakers that can get stuck closed and cause them to not work when they're needed.

>>61411307
They were also joking and never actually plugged that shit in.

>>61410863
>using anything at all

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>>61410599
Thanks for ruining my chances at getting some easy (you)s.

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>>61411754
I was wondering when my bait would show u- THAT ISNT EVNE AMERICAN YOU EUROPKEK

>>61411661
Well if they're renovating the bathroom it's not really an old bathroom anymore

>>61410554
This, bathroom plugs must be gfi in Murcia.

>>61411171
>pussy pass
She is dead.

>>61411809
That's the meme, nigger.

>>61411010
They probably set her up in order to make a buck off selling the story, 2bh.

>>61411961
trolled

>>61411754
wow americans are fucking stupid indeed

>PICTURED: The heartbreaking final photo taken by girl, 15
>The 14-year-old was killed on July 9 while using her cell phone in the bath

Did reading up on this kill the journalist's brain cells?

>>61411161
water with soap is a better conductor

>>61412155
She died a year ago so now she would be 15

>>61412225
Where does the article mention that?
I just see July 9, so that's a week ago

Too soon

i am old when I only think that its sad :(
no longer edgy or funny

>>61410414
Who will play her in the biopic?

>>61411754
>when the plug is clearly not an american plug

nice one dot bmp

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>>61410414
How shocking

>>61410800
Don't Americans use shoes in the tub?

>>61410414

>using android

>>61410414
This is refreshing anyway. Normally these stories are about narcissistic girls killing other people for attention because they use snapchat while driving or something. Glad it's finally come back around. If we're being honest with ourselves: normies have done nothing to deserve electronics.
>>61410436
Now India can be a super power, right Pajeet?

>>61411158
>Why has no one mentioned what phone it was?
What?

If she dropped a toaster in her bathtub, would it matter worth a damn what brand of toaster it was?

For fuck's sake, I hate Apple as much as the next guy, but get a hold of yourself.

>>61410414
No ground-fault interrupt in the bathroom? Shocking...

>use and extension cord
Does that make her 'and hero'?

>>61412803
The article mentions the phone she used now, a Samsung Edge Plus.

But it also says that the phone was never submerged, so it is a complete non-issue.

>>61410920
>washroom
Obama: "...the fuck is a washroom? Like a laundry room?"

>be American
>get shot by plug

>>61410599
Pretty sure the resistance in the water at that distance would be high enough so that it wouldn't kill them.

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>>61412862
It wasn't plugged into a socket in the bathroom. She used an extension from another room and the extension cord was apparently frayed and got water on it. She touched it and zappity zap.

>she would still be alive if she lived in a japanese home
Oh the ironing. I have no sockets with ground pins and only two that have grounded nuts to screw earth wires onto but at least the whole system is covered by a leakage breaker.

>>61411008
Actaully

Ground-fault and arc-fault weren't really mandatory in electric panels... or even bathrooms and kitchens in most places in the USA until like 10 years ago or so.

My place was built in 2010, and there are GFI and AFI in the panel and in the bathroom outlets.

>>61412955

Well, then she gets what she deserves... wouldn't have been a good woman-STEM quota candidate anyways.

>>61410414
I'm still not really sure how she managed to get electrocuted. Was the extension cord IN the water? Was the buck converter for the phone a shitty Chineseium model without proper isolation or something?

Water isn't really as good a conductor as it's made out to be. Stick a live and neutral wire in a bowl of water and drop and LED in the bowl. It won't even light until it's maybe an inch or three away from the mains cables. Even if the she had the cord in the water I still can't imagine it'd kill her.

Was there a metal bathtub under the liner and she was capacatively coupled to it? Did the water have a lot of impurities, soaps, scented stuff, etc to increase conductivity? Where was the cable positioned relative to her body, what parts were submerged? Was the cable frayed and the wire making direct contact to her body? Did she have any heart issues?

I'm not disputing that she died but I know no 5V phone charger will kill someone. A whole lot of shit had to line up exactly right for her to die.

>>61412955
What a fucking pansy. I've hit 120VAC and around 250VDC and lived to tell about it. I'll grant you in both circumstances my connection to ground was relatively high impedance, my skin was dry, and I made poor contact with the hot element but shit was still painful.

I also had a rather nasty experience discharging my oscilloscope CRT. I was using a screw driver with an alligator clip connected to earth to short out the anode on the CRT which was charged somewhere between 1-10kV. I was careless however and left my arm sitting on the metal framework of the scope... the frame that was earthed...

>>61410472
>Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't phone chargers only deliver 5 volts and a few hundred mA?
If they are properly functioning, yes. Do remember that they are directly connected to mains voltage and need proper isolation, which is not a trivial feat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoGCdX1IdQ

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>>61413002
>Water isn't really as good a conductor as it's made out to be.
Water is a very good conductor but it has plenty of resistance.
The amount of resistance is pretty much relative to the amount of water between the two points, so when you have cases like a bath or a bowl full of water the voltage drop is huge. But if you just have a spill, a thin layer of water, then it the resistance is much lower.

Basically, if you want to kill yourself in a bath with a toaster, don't fill the bath up, you just need a bit of a puddle on the bottom.

Just thought I should have checked resistance mode as well.

>>61413161
This vidya is actually even better, it really demonstrates how even a nominally somewhat well-designed power supply can become directly lethal due to tiny manufacturing defects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hdn0MuCK_0

Aren't bathrooms supposed to have GFCI outlets? Wouldn't they have prevented this?

>>61410470

That's a stretch.

She probably just wanted to watch minecraft letsplays

>>61413442
>girl

>texted
>a photo

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>>61410414
One must be retarded to do that, and double retarded to kill yourself that way.

>>61413477

Lots of 14 year old girls play minecraft on mac books

I use my phone in the shower and I'd also use it in the bath, but come the fuck on. Why would you have the damn thing plugged in?

>>61410414

How did she manage to get one arm neutral and the other one live?

If she just got shocked across the fingers of one hand it wouldn't have killed her

even then it's hard to die from a 120v outlet

>>61410923
This, I die everytime I change car batteries. Those 300 amps really hurt.

>>61410554
It's bait

>>61413312
>when you have cases like a bath or a bowl full of water the voltage drop is huge. But if you just have a spill, a thin layer of water, then it the resistance is much lower
Are you retarded? Resistance is proportional to the length of the conductor, but inversely proportional to its cross section.
>the voltage drop is huge
Whenever you have voltage from a circuit over any realistic kind of body of water, the voltage drop of the water is going to the input voltage almost exactly, as the resistance of the water is orders of magnitude greater than the resistance of the rest of the circuit. What matters is that the actual resistance determines what current can pass through it.
>Basically, if you want to kill yourself in a bath with a toaster, don't fill the bath up, you just need a bit of a puddle on the bottom.
The Mythbusters actually did this. Turns out it's plenty easy indeed to kill yourself with a toaster in the bath.

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>>61412886
She corrected it.

>>61413130
> What a fucking pansy. I've hit 120VAC and around 250VDC and lived to tell about it.
It’s all about the paths available to the electrons.

> I'll grant you in both circumstances my connection to ground was relatively high impedance, my skin was dry, and I made poor contact with the hot element but shit was still painful.
I think you mean low impedance.
Also, conductivity varies a lot from person to person, and depends on a lot of factors.

>>61413002
>Was the buck converter for the phone a shitty Chineseium model without proper isolation or something?
There isn't a buck converter in charger supplies, but a flyback converter. The difference is significant.

>>61413766
That picture just oozes shady charger.

>>61413321
Fuck

>>61413312
Your picture doesn't match what you're saying. If the larger pool of water has a lower voltage drop, that just confirms that it makes out a smaller part of the total resistance of your circuit, meaning it has lower resistance.

>>61410527
underrated

>>61411085
That's not how it works. Even if you're not grounded, if that plug were actually connected, current flows between neutral and live, and not just directly through the shortest path, but corresponding to the electrical field lines, which flow throughout the entire pool. Since water and human bodies are of roughly similar resistivities, if you're in the right place, the current flowing through your body may be enough to stop your heart, and it doesn't require all that much at all. A few mA are enough, I think.

I forgot to mention something most people seem unaware of.
Water is not electrically conductive. In fact, it’s a GREAT insulator.
The conductive thing is not the water, but what is IN the water.
The minerals/salts in the water are what allow conduction.

Considering people showering or bathing tend to put weird crap on their
bodies and in the water, it’s not surprising to see electrocutions there.

//youtu.be/dcrY59nGxBg

Also, voltage/current is not what kills you. Anyone who says it’s either
is retarded. It’s more nuanced, and is more about whether the electrons
are able to path through your heart, but the same guy has a bit of good
//youtu.be/XDf2nhfxVzg


>>61413794
While that charger does seem shady, it’s unlikely to be relevant here.
It seems she touched the extension cord directly.

>>61411222
It's technically true, but not directly with just the battery, as the voltage isn't enough by far to make enough current flow. With the right kind of step-up converter and perhaps a capacitor bank in case the AA can't supply enough power, then it's certainly possible.

>>61413920
>are able to path through your heart
Normally, when one says that it's the amps that kills, one means amps through the heart.

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>>61413766
>I think you mean low impedance.

No, I meant high. If there were a low impedance path to ground I'd be dead.

Assume the 1k resistor in pic related is roughly a worst case human body resistance model. One the left the body is shown with a high series impedance to ground with 15pF of capacitive coupling. On the right the body has a low series impedance to ground, only 100ohm nearly a short circuit. Look at the voltage across the 1k in both cases. On the left a paltry 3.86mV with 3.86uA of current flow. Not remotely lethal. On the right you have 109Vrms across your body with 109mA of current. You're dead.

Don't talk with such confidence about things you don't understand.

>>61413920
>In fact, it’s a GREAT insulator.
Distilled water is in the territory of insulators, but it is by no means a "great" insulator. It's just about the same as damp wood.

>>61411754
This literally wouldn't kill them, do you know anything about electricity at all?

>>61413605
Not sure if you're serious or not.
A 12v battery can't overcome the innate resistance of your skin, which is keeps you safe from anything less than ~50 volts.

>>61414072
Are you trolling or just autistic? It's completely obvious to anyone ever he's not serious.

>>61410472
It only takes 100mA to stop your heart.

>>61414090
Over on the QTDDTOT threads you'll see much stupider.

>>61414094
And what's the lowest resistance you can get between the skin and the heart and a ground?

That will tell you the voltage needed to actually do damage.

I'm amazed that she was able to kill herself on a 120v 15a circuit.

One less blonde for breeding stock.

Fucking tragedy...too bad she had the IQ of a fucking toaster.

>>61413769
Right of course they'd use flyback converters for regulated 5V power supplies since they're galvanically isolated. Probably safer than an SMPS and simpler to build not that you couldn't also use a buck converter with either an isolation transformer pre-rectifier on the input or use opto-couplers but why would you?

>>61414115
The resistance of human skin is significantly lower than usual when it's wet. You also have things that are not "surface skin" exposed when you're in the bath. Eyes, mouth, vagina, any open sores. There's a reason toaster in the bathtub is a meme suicide method.

>>61413321
>>61413161
clivemind

>>61413920
>he mentions the water hurts more after sticking salt in it
>hes sticking the finger with the cut in it into the water

>>61414150
>Probably safer than an SMPS and simpler to build
An ordinary SMPS is a flyback converter.

>>61410470
Yeah, he was a nigger too

>>61411754
Why the door wedge?

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>>61414177
I know that but the guy I'm responding to is obviously talking about this topology specifically sans the MOSFET since the input supply is AC so you just need a step down transformer, rectifier, and filter.

>>61414094
> Distilled water is in the territory of insulators, but it is by no means a "great" insulator. It's just about the same as damp wood.
Don’t rely on wikipedia for this crap.
Distilled water is still pretty impure.
Pure water is a pretty good insulator.
About 18e8 ohms per meter.

>>61414115
Your assumption is that the electrons did not path to ground through her body.

>>61413920
>In fact, it’s a GREAT insulator.
That's factually incorrect.

Insulators should not pass any current. Water will pass current, but has a high resistance.

So it is a terrible insulator, but a great resistor.

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imagine being her parents
imagine living with the guilt that you were too stupid to teach your daughter about basic electrical safety and now she's dead because of it

>>61414222
Plus zener diode or 7805 or something for regulation, forgot that part.

>>61414197
I guess to stop the plug from slipping.

>>61414226
>Insulators should not pass any current
Look anything will pass current when you apply enough voltage to it.

Anything.

>>61414226
>Insulators should not pass any current.
There is nothing that doesn’t allow any current to pass.
Doesn’t that mean insulators don’t exist?

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>>61411090

>>61411090
Bet if you dug even deeper you'd find very strange connections to Obama and Hillary too. I smell a pizzagate 2.0.

>>61414222
I was the guy you were responding to, and I was talking about no such topology. Taking out the switching FET would just turn it into a standard linear power supply.

natural selection

@/env/com

>>61410901
A GCFI wouldn't have protected her if the current was flowing back through the extension cord. It would only have protected her if the current was flowing through the piping, which isn't supposed to be allowed under NEC.

Also NEC requires GFCI in damp locations, and most post-2000 construction also has GFCIs in breaker boxes.

>>61410855
You have super powers.

>>61411161

DI water is a horrible conductor. You don't bathe in DI water.

>>61410855
If you had a zap from a phone charger, it wasn't no 5 V it was putting out.

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>>61414296
Well I don't know what exact flavor of flyback converter you're talking about but they all function on the same principle so it doesn't really matter.

>>61410855
It's all about where it goes. Electricity can kill you in one of two ways: by literally cooking you alive with a torrent of energy, or by stopping your heart with a well placed spark. It's like a needle. You can poke your fingers and arms and legs all day and you won't die from it.

But one good poke to the heart?

>>61411090
woke af

One of the more commonly seen methods of suicide seen in media is by someone placing a plugged-in toaster into a bathtub. It makes sense that you shouldn't use your electronics in the bath. But no, let's bring a fucking phone into the bathtub.

Can we give this girl a Darwin award?

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>>61410414
First of all you can clearly see in this photo she is using an offbrand charger with NO ground connector, a shitty extension chord with most likely no protection, and along with that an offbrand iphone charger (the real ones also contain protection so you don't kill yourself if you grab the lightning plug with wet fingers), all while shes in the bath

Literally all her fault, so many safety features had to have been avoided for this to happen

Watch our next episode where we show you a cool lifehack to take a bath if you have no hot water, JUST USE A CHINESE CUP HEATING PROBE

>>61410456
kek

Guess she 'and heroed'

>>61414604
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701008/Final-photo-sent-teen-just-electrocuted.html#article-4701008
Correction, turns out it was an android phone
Most of those chargers don't have protection either so the point still stands

>>61410414
Had an extension cable just like that one but white
Killed my power supply, had no ground to wall connector but had a ground connecter on the female end

10/10

>>61410414
Is it just me are is Madison the ultimate dumb white ho name?
It's just trashy as h*ck.

>>61413312
Actually pure water is an insulator. It only conducts after dissolving minerals into it

>>61414646
droid fags on suicide watch, literally

phone killed a person, this is why apple is the best.

get rekt droid fags

>>61411111
Spotted the Jerry.
Nice try Hans, but we're leaving your sinking ship, like it or not.

>>61411754
lol did you make this?
Saved for future trolling opportunities

>>61410414
>15
>she looks like she is 35
Do all female americans look like old hags?

>>61413962
> Don't talk with such confidence about things you don't understand.
It was just a misunderstanding.

> my connection to ground was relatively high impedance
I thought you meant the circuit’s path to ground, as in, not through you.

>>61414755
Android rules the world so they have a broad spectrum of users, intelligence-wise. Apple is all dumbshits.

>>61414937
>intelligence-wise
This chick daisy chained a phone to the wall socket and dropped it in the bathtub

>>61414868
>I thought you meant the circuit’s path to ground, as in, not through you.

Fair enough. To your credit if the voltage source had been attached directly across me with no other significant series impedance it I would definitely want a low impedance path in parallel with me to form a current divider to shunt most of the current away from my body. Ideally that path would be a short circuit and no current would flow through me at all.

>news
Fuck off anon this isn't news.

>>61414937

damage control by a rustled droid fag

keep telling yourself that buddy

you'll be shocked to know the kind of user androids have :^)

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What bothers me about headlines like this is it encourages all sorts of misconceptions about electricity. Just read some of the comments on the dailymail article (or in this thread for that matter) to see how uninformed people really are.

It should be obvious that it is 100% safe to use your phone in the bath when it's not connected to a charger. It is also safe to retrieve your phone if it falls in the toilet though I'd wear gloves at least for hygienic reasons. And I'll even go so far as to say it is relatively safe to use your phone in the bath when charging as long as you have GFIs, don't use cheap Chinese chargers, use well insulated mains cables (if you absolutely need an extension cord), and you keep any part that has mains voltage on it as far away from the tub as possible (mains cables and power brick).

Out of an over-abundance of caution however I would advise against charging a phone while in the tub in spite of the fact that it can be done safely. Either charge before hand or use a USB power bank, they are low voltage and pose no danger to you if it falls in.

Perhaps the best reason to not bring your phone in the tub is because if you drop that shit in you now are the proud owner of a $600 paperweight. You may not be dead but your phone certainly will be.

>>61415156
>don't use cheap Chinese chargers
/ctg/ retard invasion in 3..2..1..

>>61411699
>anything at all

>>61415177
If you've got some EE, electrical technician, or electrician level knowledge then feel free to buy shitty Chinese chargers take them apart and see if they're built to some reasonable safety standard. Not every Chinese product is awful quality but it's a roulette. Normies have no idea how these chargers work and certainly will not bother to open them up nor would they even know what to look for inside. They think they are safe because they are being sold and nobody would ever sell something unsafe right? The government would never allow it, right?

That's what they think right up until they get electrocuted or their house burns down.

>>61410456
So there was an extension cord that was 120v AC that she pulled into the bathtub, that makes a lot more sense than she got killed by the <2A DC put out by a phone charger.

>>61415271
2A through the heart is definitely easy to kill a human dead.

>>61415307
Not if it's at 5VDC.

Your body would need to have a resistance of 2.5 ohms to push 2A through it and even in the absolute worst case your body's equivalent resistance will be roughly 400 times that. 5VDC can probably kill you if you stab the electrodes directly into your heart though even then it probably still won't push 2A. In pretty much every other circumstance it is 100% non-lethal.

To get 2A though your body in a worst case resistance scenario you need roughly 2kV. That's the kind of current you'd get through you if you bridged the secondary of a microwave oven transformer across your body.

>>61415249
BEHOLD
https://youtu.be/3Hdn0MuCK_0

>>61415375
Voltage means nothing. It's the amps that kill.

>>61415379
I've already seen most of bigclive's videos. I always like his teardowns of cheap shit. It's a great way to learn how not to do circuit design.

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>>61410414
The question is would this have still happened if she had been taking a shower instead of a bath? Assuming there is no water pooling at the bottom.

>>61415375
Remember, it's volts that jolt and mills that kill.

>>61415401
>>61415375
The voltage directly determines the current. V=IR. They are directly proportional. You may have a PSU that can output 2A of current but if it's a fixed 5V it'll never kill you because you present a high resistance which limits the current according to ohm's law. Phone charges aren't current sources that output a fixed 2A. The current will change based on the load. When you, a high resistance, touch the output of a phone charger the current that flows through you is negligible, a few microamps. That's why you don't die every single time you touch the end of your charger.

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>>61415201

This is what happens when ground and neutral are the same thing.
That or the plug got pulled into the tub itself. Either way, test your ground isolation and don't use chinese plugs

>Most bathroom wall sockets
Nigga who the fuck doesn't have GFI's on their whole house?

>>61415509
um no, my elementary school teacher told me that it's the amps not the volts that kill

>>61412785
>Now India can be a super power, right Pajeet?
The guys who shit in thier drinking source, and grab powerlines while riding on top of trains? Superpower when.

>>61412862
>No ground-fault interrupt in the bathroom? Shocking...
>no ground fault interrupt
>shocking
This should have been the first response

>>61415613
The amount of current across your heart is what ultimately determines whether you live or die however the voltage and resistance determine exactly how much current will flow through you. At AC capacitive and inductive reactances come into play as well. Like all elementary school teachers yours gave you a very oversimplified explanation of how voltage and current work.I'm not gonna argue it further though, I'm tired and I'm pretty sure I'm being trolled.

>>61410829
That doesn't mean you can't update shit with RCD's and GFI's later on.
>>61410855
Either the plug fell in or the charger didn't isolate the 5V and ground from the 240V.
Sometimes the negative pin on a usb charger will be connected directly to the neutral pin.
>>61410923
>Le amps kill meme
Fuck off
>>61410954
Yes

>>61410896
>Outlets
>>61411024
>Only in wet areas
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU LOT
FUCKING POWER BOARD. WHOLE HOUSE. IS THIS TOO HARD?
>>61411222
Guy died by pricking his thumbs with a multimeter, deep under the skin from one side of his body to the other, right through his heart.

>>61415710
you're getting baited

>>61413582
>Live on one hand
>Earthed Bath/Drain hole thing
Zippidy zoppidy zoop, 15 year old soup

>>61413766
She an hero'd and her last ever text was "*an"
My sides

>>61410599
the electric field would decrease per metre (exponential decay), they'd be safe

>>61415545
LOL

>>61415868
>exponential decay

Don't you mean "rotational elecrodensitity decay"?

>>61414604
>the real ones also contain protection so you don't kill yourself if you grab the lightning plug with wet fingers
Yeah, it's called fucking 5VDC
Unless you cut into your skin, on both hands, and plug something into both, you're not gonna die on that ever.

>>61415887
It's the amps that kill not the volts. 2 amps is more than enough to kill a person dead.

>>61415882
yeah mr phd

>>61415418
If it were a shower she would live,also she would not be able to see the phone screen cuz water so moot point

>>61415893
Yes my second grade teacher, I totally agree!

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>>61414817
White ppl age like shit.

>>61410599
Should have used IP68 IEC309 plugs and sockets. That's ACTUALLY safe.

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>no RCD
>being stupid

the darwin award goes to...

>>61415736
>240V
>American
yuropoor

>>61410414
That's a nice story on natural selection

>>61411306
best reply

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>>61413766
>*an

>>61411661
>aluminum wire that heated up
the problem wasn't the wiring itself, it was improper receptacles meant for copper that caused it. the whole thing came and went in a few years, it's amazing how people remember bullshit like this.

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>>61414755
>phone killed a person, this is why apple is the best.

>try to kill myself with iPhone
>it doesn't work because I'm holding it wrong

>>61412956
sounds like bullshit. i believe that most localities have mandated that nema standards be followed for decades. even if such things weren't regulated, electricians would still be obligated to follow them regardless.

>>61413002
look for an investigator's report from the police or CPSC. it's public info.

>>61416004
>the darwin award goes to...
America collectively.
I really would like to know what an American electrical panel looks like. Do they even have fuses?
>>61416858
Interesting. Could you answer my question above / post a picture?

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>>61411697
well.. yeah, that image kinda gave that one away.

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>>61416911
pic related is my panel. It the middle of the night in Portlandia so I had to use flash. House was built 1999.
>Do they even have fuses?
Not for decades. Just breakers. Something trips, reset it. It's not as unsafe as eurofags might believe.

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>>61411943
Physics doesn't do pussy pass. That's why women don't like stem!

>>61415657
>Superpower when
Hopefully soon enough to replace the US, you're not relevant anymore, we need pajeets to take over the wolrd and push it in the right direction

>>61417174
a country that can't poo in the loo can never be a super power.

>>61412225
kek

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>>61417126
Fascinating.
>Just breakers
Oh yeah, that's what we use now as well. We just call them automatic fuses in my native tongue.

>>61417211
what country?

>>61417126
>took a picture with a flash
>the arc protection didn't trip

lest we forget the sorry state ameripoor infrastructure is in

>>61413480
>base64

...but probably not.

>>61417220
Dinamarca.

>>61417187
A country where there is no net neutrality can't be a super power.
A country where a mass shooting happens every week can't be a super power
A country where there is no healthcare and you have to overpay for everything health-related can't be a superpower
A country with more propaganda and less human rights than china can't be a super power
The US are only the shadow of their former self, you guys are not relevant anymore.

>>61417233
cool. land of my ancestors.

How many threads are we going to have about this dumb cunt?

>>61413480
>what is MMS

>>61417240
>A country where there is no net neutrality can't be a super power.
A problem that will be solved. Also not even relevant yet. Just Netflix throwing a fit.
>A country where a mass shooting happens every week can't be a super power
That's a lie. The statistics are engineered to make it look a hell of a lot worse than it is. Also, forgetting about France/England?
>A country where there is no healthcare and you have to overpay for everything health-related can't be a superpower
Health insurance ≠ health care. There are free ways of obtaining care, including government clinics. Not saying it can't be better. It will happen, Obama cucked us too badly.
>A country with more propaganda and less human rights than china can't be a super power
Utter bullshit.
>The US are only the shadow of their former self, you guys are not relevant anymore.
Really? Because even Europe still needs us for protection.
I'll never understand a continent that managed to throw the world into total chaos twice in a couple of decades.

>>61417262
MMS, yes. TXT is SMS. Completely different, even if it has been abstracted to the user.

>>61410472
It's the extension cord.
There was a short article days earlier, and we already said at that time, that she must have had an extension cord pulled into the water or something.

And big surprise, she was a retard.
This is on the parents though.

>>61417307
>pulled into the water
No. Stop this. That's not how it works. She touched the frayed wire.

>>61417322
Does not change much, she was dumb and died because of it. No matter how you sugarcoat it.

>>61417330
Except it adds to the already astounding amount of misinformation and retardation in these threads.

>>61417343
How? You can just read the article.

>>61417174
>Hopefully soon enough to replace the US,
Everyone's gunning for to take the top spot away from the U.S. This is how I know we're still number 1.
>you're not relevant anymore,
You're not even considered a rival you street shitter.
>we need pajeets to take over the wolrd and push it in the right direction
What's stopping India from taking over? The Americans, The Brits, the Pakis, the Chinese? Shit man I just realized that poojeets aren't even number 2 even thoygh they smell similar to it.

>>61410414
>>61410456
>>61411010
the pic and text message makes it look suspicious as fuck

>>61417240
You motherfuckers actually shit in your drinking water! Sort your shit before you critisize another nation.

>can't be away from her phone long enough to have a fucking bath

HAHAHAHA ROASTIE LITERALLY ROASTED

>>61417291
>Also, forgetting about France/England?
He skipped over India, and the entire middle east. They kill eachother for either eating pork, or cow depending on who outnumbers who at a given time.

>>61410414
>OP pic
>Not having the watermark "Just girly things"

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Y'll just worry too much
just sit back and have a beer

>>61417291
>Also, forgetting about France/England?
What? There's been a handful of mass killings in each of those countries in the last two decades, it is a regular occurrence in the US to the point where it barely makes the local news unless it's children being killed.

>>61410985
I usually shower and scrub then start the bath.
its comfy reading LNs in the bath.

>>61417464
Bullshit. Don't believe everything you hear
>more than 2 people is a mass killing
>suicides are included in "gun violence" stats
Your eurofag media just wants to make the US look like an illiberal violent shithole while ignoring that special brand of rampant eurocentric racism.

>>61417493
>>more than 2 people is a mass killing
actually that's 2 or more. literal data manipulation.

Do americans not use RCDs on their power systems? I could put the end of the extension straight into the bath while I am in it and nothing would happen to me.

>>61417535
answered already. read the thread.

>>61417535
most countries don't use RCDs everywhere at least not in older houses

>>61417222
I would hope that it isn't shitty enough to trigger with LED flash

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>>61410414
>frayed extension cord
why am I not surprised?

guys, would this happen with euro plug?

>>61417791
yes.

>>61417796
Would it happen with Schuko?

>>61417791
if it didn't have a gfci yes

>>61417801
no.

>>61417396
This is the Daily Mail, what do you expect?

>UK website
>UK plug
>DURR MURRIKCNSN

>>61410436
One thing that I've truly come to appreciate about fourchan since becoming a father is how it allows me to laugh heartily about things happening to other people that I dont ever want to think about happening to me

>>61417801
what the fuck is schuko? this was a damaged cable so the plugs and sockets don't matter do they?

>>61417891
Teach your kid reason and logic and common sense will form.

>>61417899
see >>61411307

so schuko is just a normal EU plug with the grounding clips. fucking germans and their retarded names

http://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/f/

>>61417811
so you're telling me that grounded cables are safe even if you don't have an RCD?

>>61417903
Maybe chance will give you a daughter one day and then you will truly understand

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>>61417981
Only had that same fucking dream every night for the last 4 years

>>61417922
>retarded names
>schuko
>Schutz Kontakt

The name tells you exactly what it is. How is that retarded?

>>61418083
i've never heard that name before. it's just a grounded EU plug, big whoop.

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>>61417836
>Madison Coe, from Lovington, New Mexico
Durr, you 'murican.

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>>61417504
I'd consider killing one very fat person a "mass" killing.

>>61418098
nope. euro-plug is not grounded.

>>61415887
>Yeah, it's called fucking 5VDC
The protections are for making sure it really is 5 V.

>>61410414
Natural selection.

>>61418281
fucking arrogant german asshole, in other countries you just call it a euro plug, and if you care if it's grounded or not you specify if it's grounded, you don't call it schuko

>>61418271
lel

>>61415417
To be fair, though, that specific power supply wasn't really horribly designed or cheaped out on. It appears like just an honest mistake while the transformer was being wound. Clive does have a point when he says that these single-bobbin transformers are constant safety risks.

>>61418297
>don't call it schuko
why not, it sounds cute

>>61414430
Thank you, water conducts pretty well, distilled water does not conduct

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>>61418359
shuko desu

>>61415379
timestamp?

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>>61418297
>in other countries you just call it a euro plug
Only if you're wrong and uneducated. Pic related is a euro plug.

>>61411640
I'd rather not have some gap toothed fuck come to my house and beat me till its updated. My current house has gfi outlets and it is retarded not to.

On the other hand common sense would be another life saving trait here.

>>61418446
>I'd rather not have some gap toothed fuck come to my house and beat me till its updated.
You really think that's how it works?

>>61418445

No that's a Korea plug

>>61418297
get educated.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug

>>61418445
>german filename
KILL YOURSELF

>>61411640
>I guess you just value your "freedom" to get electrocuted too much.
People making decisions for you isn't freedom, no matter how you spin it yuropoor.

>>61418638
>literally the first hit on google images

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>>61418672
really makes you think

>>61418041
We will all make it anon

>>61412751
iToddlers grasping desperately for attention, again.

>>61418646
Your reading comprehension is off the charts, amerilard.

>>61418694
You may note how I didn't say that Google Images only has correct pictures for its search terms, only that I fetched the correct picture of a Europlug from Google Images.

>>61418884
get fucked hans

http://www.kenic.com/En/Euro_types.html
http://sg.element14.com/multicomp/sl-19-sl-6-3/lead-iec-c19-to-euro-plug-3m/dp/1717220
https://www.cablesdirect.co.uk/power-c515/power-cables-c662/mains-leads-c663/euro-plug-to-c13-mains-lead-p2504

>>61415893
Good luck killing anyone with anything under 50V
Humans have really high resistance

>>61418914
>chinese company
>being right
How many do you think you get to choose?

>>61417899
Schuko is short for Schutzkontakt = grounding

>>61418914
finding something wrong on the internet doesn't make it right.

>>61418914
http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/typeC.htm

>>61418638
butthurt much? did the girl you fancy run off with Hans?

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>>61416614
>yuropoor
Lol no cunt, best plug in the world, coming through
>Murricans
>No RCD's/GFI's, so they have to put them on the outlet in their bathrooms
>Can't run a fucking toaster or kettle of 120V, so they need 240V outlets in their houses anyway
What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

>>61419122
>Can't run a fucking toaster or kettle of 120V
Dafuq?

>>61415401
>the shooter means nothing, it's the gun that kills
>the drunk driver means nothing, it's the car that kills
>the fall means nothing, it's the ground that kills
I know this is weak bait but I don't understand how anyone even a normie, who finished middle school can think that. You learn the formula I=U/R at the age of fourteen, for God's sake.

>>61416614
>240V
>yuropoor
American

>>61414430
distilled water doesn't conduct at all, but even normal water the electric will flow from a to b with little diversion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlxrPHEJyBA

>>61419175
Imagine being this stupid...

>>61419187
>distilled water doesn't conduct at all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity#Resistivity_and_conductivity_of_various_materials

>>61419191
Only Britbongs use 240 V.