>everything after Core 2 Duo is backdoored and monitored

So is your mom

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>>61358345
damn that must have really activated his almonds

>>61358339
Are core 2 quad safe to use?

>>61358339
>tfw when got Pentium 4 HT w/ PAE
>runs Windows 7 at a glorious 3.8GHz
I'd say this is the best P4 I've encountered,and it was free.

>>61358339
>and monitored
Who is monitoring you?

>>61358339
On the upside, it means we're going to get a cyberpunk future where the resistance uses old pre-9/11 technology.

>>61359617
The NSA. Jeez Grandpa get with the times

>Intel
You deserve everything that came your way

>not planning your suicide bombings sending braille letters to arabs
ISHYGDDT

Couldn't you protect yourself with a hardware firewall?

>>61359678
>and AMD
>>61359743
>hardware firewall?
BACKDOORED

>>61359661
How do you know they are monitoring you activities?

>>61359790
They have open source firewalls though right?

>>61358345
Wow kid, you must think you're so witty. Kill yourself.

>>61359808
The snowden leaks.

>>61359808
It's a panopticon.
You don't know, but you have to assume that they are.

Don't worry about it anon. Nobody even cares about you enough to monitor you or make any of your personal data valuable

>>61359837
>assume
When you assume you make an ass out of "U and "ME"

>>61359811
>They have open source firewalls though right?
So you're running a secure os on backdoored hardware helps how?

>buy russian manufactured firewall
>buy chinese manufactured firewall
>buy isreal manufactured firewall

>secrets not shared between those entities so nothing gets through all the way that isn't supposed to

I doubt that anyone cares about my miserable existence.

>>61359953
>buy russian manufactured firewall
>buy chinese manufactured firewall
>buy isreal manufactured firewall
Spend 3 times the money to just let everyone have acces. Good goy.

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>>61358339
Are you 12 years old, m8? This has been common knowledge since like 2008 or 2009. There are also ways to disable or contain the backdoors. The best bet is Libreboot which will completely shut off the backdoors at the hardware level, and provide a free and open source BIOS replacement.

The Intel ME is a small RISC based CPU inside the die of the main CPU. It runs independently of the main cores and has access to everything; power management, all memory including the BIOS ROM chip, and can even interface with your OS network stack or set up its own, can act as a keylogger, and can be accessed remotely through the internet with AMT. Intel AMT is a firmware frontend which can be accessed through the BIOS and remotely. AMT is known to be dangerous because it provides a virtual serial connection for remote keyboard and mouse input. This can be used to send packets around a LAN and it's undetectable to the main operating systems on these machines. Some computers will have a BIOS menu option to shut off AMT, but this could be a placebo switch. The only way to truly shut off AMT is by installing Libreboot, Coreboot, or some other BIOS replacement that totally removes AMT controls. Even then, the Intel ME is still active, and you can't overwrite the areas of the ROM with the ME firmware or else the machine will fail to boot or will go into a bootloop where it shuts off every 30 minutes because of a lack of power management. Use ME Cleaner to strip the ME firmware down so that only 8-10% of it is left to do basic hardware init and power management. Me Cleaner strips the ME of all networking and most memory access capabilities, which contains and "neutralizes" it, and greatly minimizes the potential attack surface. Also change your wireless card to something that isn't Intel, and don't run Windows so that you can't get BIOS or CPU microcode updates that'll reinstall that stuff.

I use an X220 with Coreboot, SeaBIOS, stripped down ME firmware, and Debian with XFCE

>>61360004
>to just let everyone have acces
explain

>>61359067
>>61359818
t. Buttblasted OP.

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>implying you need anything faster than a core 2 duo

>>61360153
Kill yourself you unfunny faggot

>>61358339
Only on the Intel side. AMD was safe up to Bulldozer and its bastard offspring. Ryzen is botnet though.

>>61360171
You kill you'reselve you literal fish.

>>61360293
what the heck im not a fish

>>61359571
BUMP

mfw being poor forced me to rice to keep up
mfw being poor kept my hardware safe

>>61360325
Then why did you take the bait?

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>>61359912
woah

>>61359571
No.

>>61359571
no

>>61359944
You should be able to build your own firewall on with a well documented arm cpu

>>61361336
>You should be able to build your own firewall on with a well documented arm cpu
What are you going to do for the rest of the hardware?

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>>61360665
damn that must have really activated his almonds

>>61361397
I don't think your understanding how a hardware firewall works

>>61361851
>I don't think your understanding how a hardware firewall works
Explain how a hardware firewall works.

>>61361884
You first, your the one being retarded

>>61361919
>You first, your the one being retarded
No you. You're the fucking expert friend.

>>61360162
Jesus Christ the Turion line was absolute trash.

>>61362853
Expert hardly and normally i'd be happy to enlighten someone but you are acting like an ass so I would rather see what you THINK you need to run a hardware firewall just to see if it's worth my time

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>>61358339
I have a librebooted X200 and X60s, comfy af senpai

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>>61359641
>Core 2 Duo
>pre-9/11

>>61362970
I wouldn't trust it.

>use a 100% encrypted libreboot X60 with gentoo for tinfoil shit
>use windows 10 for normie shit
i don't even look at porn or do anything illegal besides some private torrent sites. it's just fun feeling like a hackerman.

>>61362915
>Expert hardly
So you aren't even a fucking expert? Ha typical.
>and normally i'd be happy to enlighten someone
You're not even an expert though.
>but you are acting like an ass
Pardon me madam. I forgot where I was posting on.
>so I would rather see what you THINK you need to run a hardware firewall just to see if it's worth my time
Unless you are using a librebooted motherboard, novena, or a talos then I believe that the possibilty of a backdoor, or exploit existing is high. That is what I believe.
Anywhoo don't be a dick pal. If you have the knowledge then share it instead of attacking the people on this board.

>>61358339
At this point I'm surprised no one has come up with a religion where the NSA is our all seeing GOD

>>61362996
You wouldn't trust a Core 2 Duo with libreboot?

>>61359912
That is the dumbest phrase ever. If someone assumes something about me, how does that make me an ass?!?

>>61363290
Through your reaction to it.

>>61358345
/thread

>>61359604
>best p4

that's like saying "this is the best dog shit i've ever tasted."

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>>61363133
Maybe they have and it's classified.

>>61360068
w w-what about ryzen

>>61360068
Did you by chance own an X200 in the past?

>>61365040
No, but I own a T400. Why?

>>61365072
Oh just curious if you had experience with a beagle bone.

>>61365160
I use a Raspberry Pi to go my flashing.

>>61365184
do*

>>61365184
Ah that's cool. Is the pi easier than a beagle bone?

>>61365221
Maybe, maybe not. I've just never bothered to use anything else because I don't need it.

>>61358339
what the fuck are you on about?

can someone explain?

>>61358339

Only if you're an incuck.

>>61365284
See
>>61360068

>>61358339
>everything
*All Intel processors

>>61365762
And AMD after 2012

>>61366025
Sure, I was just pointing out that not everything post-C2D is backdoored, just everything Intel

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>>61358339

Not everything.

>Samsung Chromebook Plus
>Rockchip ARM processor
>Coreboot
>Replace chromeos with linux
>Freedom software, all the way down to the metal

>>61362853
>>61361919
>>61362915
>>61363125
Pardon me, sirs, but you're both fucking retards for antagonizing each other over totally innocuous questions.

t. retard

>>61366153
I have the CB+. I wish more software was available for ARM, I'm tired of compiling from source, idk how Gentoo fags do it

>>61360068
so can I be a pcgamer fag and still achieve this?

Im not /g/ enough to completely understand BIOS replacement for my motherboard

>>61363461
This doesn't even make sense.....

>>61364797
Has the PSP (platform security processor). Basically the same thing, just more cancerous in regards to the signing/update system. There is no known way to disable that.

>>61366254
Short answer is no.

Long version is unless you have a motherboard supported in Coreboot, it won't work. You'll also need to use an external flasher, in the form of a GPIO pin connected clip and a SBC like a Raspberry Pi. If you fuck it up, your computer just won't boot at all. ME Cleaner may or may not work with your CPU, motherboard, or the combination of the two. You should also assume that with Coreboot that you will be restricted to GNU/Linux. Windows might boot with the SeaBIOS payload, but probably not. And if you use EFI and your disks are using GPT, you'll have to recreate the partition map, format, and reinstall your OS.

Just buy a Libreboot compatible laptop for like $85 then send it to a Libreboot installation service on ebay and pay an extra $30 for it. Most will even replace the wireless card and thermal paste too. I think that on some of the supported laptops you can install Libreboot without taking it apart, or with one of the Chromebooks you just need to remove a screw or something and then flash from the OS. It should be easy enough to do either of these, and it won't cost more than $150. Use that as your primary computing device and use your desktop for games only.

>>61366153
do they sell the same shit without the touchscreen foldable gimmick?

>>61360068
This anon know some stuff.
Good post.

>if you use internet past 2000 its monitored
>if you type more than a few sentences your identity could most likely be tracked

>>61367059
hunter2
fuck

>>61358339
No.

We have had multiple dumps of internal NSA and CIA documents since the Intel ME was introduced and none of them have revealed any active exploitation of it. What they did reveal was a lot of effort going into higher level exploits, suggesting the absence of a master key.

Additionally, even when there was an Intel ME exploit a few months ago, it only affected machines with business segment motherboards that had a particular feature enabled, suggesting this "always on and accessible" nonsense is just that, nonsense.

On the AMD side things are even less plausibly backdoored or monitored. The AMD PSP cannot really be exploited as it is not a remote control module but rather a secure processor. The PSP would have to actively stab you in the back, not just contain a flaw that the NSA could find and leverage. Even Libreboot's FAQ on the PSP proposes it's networking capability as purely speculative, they suggest that it *could* access the network stack through modifying RAM, there is no evidence that it actually does that.

Stop spreading bullshit hysteria. The presence of non-free blobs with higher privilege than the OS is a concern for sure, but it's not a concern helped by spreading blatant misinformation.

>>61358339
>He isn't already shitposting from a 486DX4-120 running Damn Small Linux
Anyone know of more recent distros that will run on a 486? I don't need a GUI.

>>61360068
you can't disable the backdoors idiot

>>61367266
Yes you can. Look up ME Cleaner and Libreboot, you stupid fuck.

>>61367266
Well uh, except for that time a few months ago when you literally could:
>>61367118

>>61367118
Found the NSA plant.

>>61366230
>Have a server with the latest AMD meme
>MAKEOPTS="-j36"
>Set up a binary package host

>>61367372
You are free to provide transcripts of your network traffic where your PSP/ME is communicating with the NSA. I'll wait.

>>61359953
this
FSB is on the other side of the planet, and NSA is right here

>>61367390
If i was NSA, i would not be stupid to put a constant vigilance of every computer, as some slightly smarter kid with a separate computer would be able to spot it on spot.
Instead, the plan would be that i have a secret password that i can send to a computer, and this password unlocks the ME spy functions for me.

>>61367390
Not him but the problem with these management engines is not that they ARE doing something malicious, it's that they CAN, which is just as bad from a security standpoint. There should be no backdoors at all on your systems. You may live in a nicer area, but why the fuck would you leave your doors unlocked? Stop defending this horse shit. These "features" provide nothing of value to the average consumer but they put them in harms way potentially.

>>61367390
We both know it would be stupid and obvious if it were generating traffic constantly. You need to connect to it from your end even even then I bet I need a non-Intel/ME device logging the traffic.
I'm sure I'll rile you up enough to do it eventually.

>>61359912
>ME
No the ME reveals what an ass Intel is

>>61367428
Which is why all other available information including the complete cleaning out of the NSA back in 2013 suggest they can't do it at all?

>>61367440
>I bet I need a non-Intel/ME device logging the traffic.
No. If you have a machine sitting between your machine and the internet and that machine is passing packets through and sniffing them, it cannot not be able to log the packets and simultaneously successfully pass them through to the wider Internet. They can either hide or actually communicate, not both.

>>61367435
I'm not defending anything. My argument is against the blatant misinformation of claiming there is definitive active exploitation going on when all the available evidence is to the contrary. The ME and PSP are a serious security concern I agree, but to claim all PCs are backdoored and monitored is just plain bullshit.

>>61367503
It's a bit reassuring that they didn't found shit on it, but not all NSA documents were leaked etc..
Also not wanting to wander into /pol/ territory here, but they would have a "shut down the goyim" button somewhere.

Of course, this is all speculation.

>>61367503
>but to claim all PCs are backdoored and monitored is just plain bullshit
I never said that all. I'd rather be safe than sorry, and it's the logical conclusion that anyone with half a brain would draw after seeing what these things are capable of. I'm fairly convinced that you're a CIA nigger shill, and that two dollars have been deposited into your account. Bye bye now.

>>61367564
In case you couldn't tell from the phrasing, I was referring to the statement in the OP. I would also rather be safe than sorry, I just don't think running around like headless chickenss screaming that the sky has fallen is going to help.

>>61367503
>They can either hide or actually communicate, not both.

There's literally no reason why they couldn't do both.

See payload, quietly pass it along without allowing the OS to see it. It's textbook, even.

There's absolutely nothing the ME could not do with the network traffic.

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>>61358339
Soon

>>61367595
Which requires them to implement the OS level routing rules themselves, which means they have to manage to find and notice those in the OS RAM, then they have to be able to interdict the packets before they reach the OS and not just try to scrub them out of memory after the fact... Maybe, but it's a serious stretch and it would be defeated by using a custom built forwarding application that they wouldn't have their code set up to notice and deobfuscate.

backdoor != root login you brainlets

it could be a known hardware RNG weakness allowing to break the crypto easier, or even a much more subtle "bug"

>>61367165
Try out TinyCore
it's a bit heavy on RAM (you should have at least 32MB), but it does run on a 486...

If you're up for the task, it's possible to beat Gentoo and slackware into submission and have them run on 486s (I think, if the kernel's old enough, you can run them on a 386 as well)

>>61358339
I didn't know this.

However I do have a core2 PC standing around... i'd really like to try and play around with ME and see what I can get from it

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HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
#SHOTSFIRED
#REKT

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>>61359641
This, it's gonna be aesthetic as fuck.

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>>61360068
>and can be accessed remotely through the internet with AMT
Won't your average router firewall stop this unless you happen to have the port that it uses explicitly opened?

>>61359571
C2Q is basically two C2D CPUs strapped together.

>>61369358
Yes but the quad cores aren't libreboot compatible

isn't it the chipset that's backdoored?

>>61369300
bump, interested to know

>>61369300
>>61370836
>thinking a firewall can stop the backdoor
:^)