how the FUCK does AMD keep up with Intel? they have less than

>>61296009
>ratarded
Hello Pajeet, we have already warned you about not checking your spelling mistakes before shilling. Further warnings will not be issued and instead we will be penalizing your monthly salary of 20 rupees.

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>>61295960
How? By hiring smarter people.

Intel is notorious for hiring tons of Indians and other H-1B dimwits so they need to hire tons more people.

>>61295960
It should be pretty obvious by now that Intel doesn't bother putting any effort into competing unless they're forced to. And even then, they still play dirty (compiler crippling, OEM bribing, etc.)

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>>61296080
well actually spellcheck isn't showing up in my browser and I cba to check my posts in word

>>61296128
I don't work for AMD but I know loads of people with intel computers and none with amd ones so obviously amd don't keep up

>>61295960
By hiring engineers instead of H1B Rajeets?
Also Intel loves throwing money right and left and fucking up R&D projects one after another.

>>61295960
>Intel has 10x as many employees as AMD but they make 150x profit as AMD
How do you call this "keeping up" lol?

>>61296119
/thred
AMD hires geniuses and innovators

Also what the fuck is going on with Intel's fabs. Intel about to lose it's node advantage.
INTEL
MOTHERFUCKING INTEL
IS ABOUT TO LOSE FAB ADVANTAGE
BRIAN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

>>61296198
do you think R&D just werks all the time? probably amd has failed as much as intel but their not showing you the inner workings of their companies.
>>61295960
intel is in more markets than just cpus..

>>61296179
>ith amd ones so obviously amd don't keep up
>amd do not keep up

looks like pajeet isn't getting paid this month

Like holy fuck 14nm was bad enough but Intel's 10nm is a total disaster.
What the hell is going on inside Intel?
Like fuck they can't even market their shit properly anymore, the entire SKL-X lineup is a disaster.
>>61296320
The point is that Intel is infamous for overhyping their R&D projects and then delivering hot poo, see shitburst/shitanium/larrashit/shittane.
>more markets than CPUs
NICs, decent NAND and?

>ctrl-f "intel management engine"
>no results
AMD has something similar but they've gotten almost no publicity around it. And with the Silent Bob Is Silent vuln, people who know what a computer can do are gonna drop Intel HARD.

>>61296352
>amd have 10x less employees but make 150x less profit
lol

>>61296409
No one but autistic neckbeards from /g/ even cares about
>muh ebin botnet

>>61296417
>amd have

nice esl

>>61295960
>how the FUCK does AMD keep up with Intel?

Intel makes more money, but they spread it much, much wider. They invest in side projects that often utterly fail to pan out. They have to run their own fab, and that accounts for the large majority of their R&D expenditures. Intel designs virtually everything in house, while AMD leverages IP from 3rd parties quite frequently.
Internally the companies are entirely different, ran in vastly different ways.

>>61296409
AMD uses an ARM TrustZone system, and it is very different from intel's internet connected hypervisor.
The reason why no one in the security community is criticizing AMD for using it seriously is that TrustZone hasn't been meaningfully compromised it. Its a secured box.

>>61296448
that makes sense im saying A M D have 10times less employes than intel but Intel have one hundred and 50 times more profits

>>61296530
>AMD
>have
Ganesh please.

>>61296530
amd has*

learn English pajeet

Intel should hire some better quality pajeets. This one is terrible at his job.

>>61296436
>anybody who wants to get access to your computer can access everything by sending an empty password
>m-muh ebin botnet, you're such a neckbeard
You're an idiot and you deserve to be doxxed.

>>61296586
No one but 3.5 /g/ neckbeards really cares about muh ebin IME botnet.
Yes, it's a gigantic security hole.
No, no one cares about it.

>>61296606
You're an idiot.

You deserve to be doxxed.

This is true no matter how many times you claim that nobody cares about it. Indeed, the fact that nobody cares about it demonstrates that *everybody* deserves to be doxxed. You're all fools.

>>61296636
*tips tinfoil hat*

>>61296643
ebin memes will not save your bank account password :^)

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>>61295960
intel spent 1/3 of a BILLION dollars on feminism instead of their products.
literally just threw the money into the toilet.

Intel iGPUs have drivers.

I used to be an AMD buyer for 15 years, but now that I don't game, it's much more important for me to have a hassle-free hardware experience, so I go with Intel, without worrying that much about a few megaflops.

>>61295960
>keep up with Intel?
They haven't for the past decade.

>>61296723
no one is talking about the past decade you weeb retard. we are talking about the present and onwards

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>>61296778

why do people use trips? this isn't reddit

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>>61296798
Leddit has nothing to do with local tripshit fishing for easy (You)s.

>>61296815
Enjoy your shitty radeonkms from 3 generations ago, grampa.

>>61296828
but it has everything to do with reddit, only redditors care about having usernames attached to their posts so they can get recognition for them

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>>61296842
It's ok bruh, you can stop now

>>61296860
Thanks.

>>61295960
Intel decided to focus on diversity hirings instead of developing a new CPU architecture.

>>61295960
intel does more than cpu's. all of those billions don't go to R&D for cpu development. it goes to fab maintenance and R&D (price to pay to operating your own fabs), their shitty gpu's, network equipment like network adapters, ssd's, and a whole slew of other things. i don't doubt for one bit that intel still throws more money at cpu R&D than amd, but ultimately the gap isn't THAT wide. anyways money isn't everything. all the money gives you is the ability to use an incentive to persuade the talented engineers into wanting to work for you and being able to obtain the resources they require to innovate. both have enough for that. i live near chandler, az and have run into my fair share of engineers that work at the intel plant there. yeah there are a boat load of pajeets, but from what i can tell, the ones at the top are predominantly white and asian men. so they're in no short supply of engineers but from the few i've run into it seems more like mismanagement than quality personnel. intel doesn't really have the ambition. the drive. one downside to having all the money that intel has is that, well, they already have their billions and billions. they also own the vast majority of the market. so really? what are they working for?

intel really needs to fire their current ceo and replace him with someone that has a fire lit under his ass. they're turning into microsoft which has turned into another ibm.

amd has a drive. its called wanting to stay alive. amd also has enough money to hire pretty based engineers. like the cunt destroy jim keller. they got their cpu division back on track. now all the need to do is get their gpu divison back on tract as well.

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>>61296009
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>>61296842
Goddamn the IDF really showed up in droves.

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>>61296875
I can think of worse things.

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>>61296932
Kill yourself you miserable sack of shit.

>>61296828
>>61296778
samefag

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>>61296699
quite literally

>>61297004
You really, seriously need a permaban, all you do is shit up the board.

>Brian we're about to lose our fab advantage, what do?
>LETS SPONSOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES
>YOU'RE A GENIUS BRIAN

>>61296875
>go into cpu thread expect some fun banter
>littered with /pol/ shitposting about diversity sjws races religion

#triggered

>>61297031
Scary diversity hiring vs supporting the spread of Islam?

You think I'm shitposting but these are serious issues and I'm using humor to show how ironic it is that some pro AMD dipshit complains about equality.

>>61297066
Fuck off back to /pol/ shitstain.

>>61297066
brainlet can't even speak Japanese :/

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>>61297066
Oh look it's the court jester, please entertain us some more

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>>61296119
>Intel is notorious for hiring tons of Indians and other H-1B dimwits so they need to hire tons more people.
Hello fellow white American AMD people.

>>61297100
You need a high level of cognitive empathy to be able to make anti Intel jokes work.

Being a mudshit means you are only capable of emotional empathy and your shit attempts just make you look butthurt.

>>61297188
This pajeet designed quality radeons while you were still a toddler tho.

>>61297199
>monolingual
>2017

>>61297205
What do you expect? The retard squad sees one Indian guy and assumes everyone working for AMD is Indian.

>>61297066
Comparing a corporate tweet to the investment of several hundred million dollars for "diversity" is the same thing in your world?

That's weapons grade stupid.

>>61297256
I'm comparing the accusation of diversity hiring with direct support of Islam, I'm also dismissing any of your superfluous claims of harmful SJW investment funds because it sounds like the bigoted rhetoric of a mudshit or a NEET.

>>61297290
>tripfag
>calling people NEETs

>>61297305
I call you an ignorant bigot and you only prove me right, assuming you are the same poster of course, which is damn near impossible unless you used a tripcode so we could properly argue.

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>>61297255
This is my post. >>61297188

I'm also an AMD fan boy and have had mostly AMD CPUs since the 90s.

Most of the posts about intel hiring h1bs are correct. They pretty much fired the talented engineers with the last layoff where they basically took people that have been there for 10 years and didn't have a promotion in x number of years (but were good at their job) and fired them. The Indian managers play the game and promotions are basically round robin for a few people every year depending on budget. The problem is now AMD is on a hiring spree and almost ALL the new hires I've seen in the office have been h1bs so I dunno, it seems like both Intel and now AMD are just getting looted by the execs for all the money they can get and eventually both are gonna run out of steam, Intel with core and AMD with zen.

>>61297331
not the same poster monolingual triptard

>>61297358
You aren't very bright are you.

>>61295960
99% of people in every company aren't doing anything useful, it all boils down to a couple of actually talented people.

>>61297290
Right, the investment of several hundred million dollars in to diversity programs that atteact lesser qualified individuals vs a public statement similar to "Happy New Year!" While simply hiring the best of the best and letting that diversity speak for you.

https://youtu.be/qyD_Q8RZh_M

https://community.amd.com/community/amd-corporate/blog/2016/12/05/diversity-fuels-innovation-becoming-a-best-place-to-work-for-lgbt-equality

>>61297381
>You aren't very bright are you.
>tripposting
>monolingual

Sad! Please resume posting when you cease being a monolingual brainlet!

Mods should permaban this tripcunt, all he does is shit up threads.

>>61297388
>similar to "Happy New Year!"
Happy New Year is an agnostic liberal celebration.

Ramadan is a festival of Islamic brainwashing to pretend they are better than the west.

>>61297413
Ok than "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Easter" or what ever judeo Christian pillaging of heathen faith holiday you want.

>>61297413
A month of not eating or drinking when the sun is out for a month is done just to one up the west?

Christians aren't even supposed to eat pork yet they do, and Catholics do a half hearted no meat on Friday during lent. But fish does not count as meat so you can have fish on Friday. Like wow, what a sacrifice.

>>61297471
Both of those holidays basically have gentile versions that are all but detached from their christian origins. Islamic ritual fasting and its harmful secular dogmatic holier than though bullshit only breeds dissenting views of "the west" which is basically anything not Islamic.

>>61297509
>A month of not eating or drinking when the sun is out for a month is done just to one up the west?

Not to one up the west, to help its followers harbor permanent negative bias.

>>61297188
And desu, look at the disaster this his Polaris and Vega designs turned out to be.

If you want to compete, get rid of pajeet.

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>>61297544
So now you're criticizing Muslims for adhering to their faith better than Christians? Let me guess you aren't retarded either?

Now tell me how much money was involved in making a shitty picture with a bunch of AMD logos, versus throwing 300 million dollars at Feminist frequency to promote "diversity".

>>61297636
Give him money. Radeon was the only thing keeping AMD afloat until they could release Ryzen.

>>61297636
>Polaris
>disaster

>>61297651
Of course not, Christianity isn't anywhere near as scary as Islam, the fact that they adhere more strictly to their religion is my entire fucking argument.

>>61297636
>look at the disaster this his Polaris
In the price range they are in, no. Plus they are efficient cards. Love my 460 for $100.

>>61297576
Is that why Catholics do it too, to get back at the west.

>>61297692
Thanks to Christianity's enlightenment period.

Now how much money was invested in a shitty graphic design versus Intels diversity investments?

>>61297764
How about you cite specific examples of SJW slush funds being used to oppress people instead of shitting on attempts at equality?

They "keep up" because intel has spend the last years sitting on their asses and stroking their cocks with rereleasing core and xeon cpus over and over again. They haven't responded to Ryzen because they don't really need to.

The only way Amd could take any of their marketshare is if all their contracts with system suppliers like Hp ran out and their super shady backroom deals with game devs, benchmarking people, internet shills etc etc would be exposed.

And that ain't happening soon, so get ready for i9 extreme turbo overdrive edition, delivering best performamce in [AAA of the week], top score on [scammy review site] and shilled by ltt!

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>>61297692
>the fact that they adhere more strictly to their religion is my entire fucking argument.
Christians like to pick choose what they want to follow. Like ignoring that pork is unclean but saying it's against God to wear a condom. Or trying to get creationist books into US public school, with decent success for years until they lost in court.

Not to mention Christians in Europe burning people at the stake for opting for adult baptism instead of the standard baby baptism. As some felt that you should not be forced into a baptism as a baby. (Anabaptists)

>>61295960

AMD definitely deserves serious respect for their performance.

However, Intel is still the dominant force, Ryzen was a huge blow no doubt, but Intel still has a lot of time to get their shit together, before their shares in different parts of the market become too overpowered by AMD.

Currently, as you said, AMD holds the console market, and they almost certainly hold a much larger then previous percentage of the Desktop market, probably 30% or so.

But they haven't yest started to eat away the server market or laptop/mobile market.

>>61297819
Intel has nothing to respond with which is why X299 is such a disaster and why $12,000 Xeons are a joke. AMD has OEMs on their side this time.

>>61296556
Commonwealth countries treat organizations as plural nouns.
lern2english urdamsef

>>61296857
/^!/

>>61296914
>what are they working for?
The INTELligence community, perhaps?

>>61297100
Is that the new Panini Lake architecture?

>>61297381
Please kill your self. Your going to die one day so why delay the inevitable

>>61297892
Muslims tie your hands behind your back and hang a tire full of gasoline around your waist and light it so you can't roll around to put the flames out and you die slow just for falling in love.

They also cut your hands off and burn you alive for stealing.

>>61298109
200 litecoins say intel will release i7 9999k like nothing happened.
From what I know people still want to buy intel for their old products, not new ones. The i5 7600k or i7 7700k are tested and they don't trust new and shiny ryzens yet.
You have to see that there is some kind of brand loyality going on with both AMD and Intel

Pretty obvious that the thread is infested by the Indian vermin. At least I can recognize the sentence structures now.

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>>61298235
They're starting to take over the Amazon bestsellers charts.

>>61298199
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Duluth-lynching-postcard.jpg

>>61295960
While I disagree with literally all of your statements of AMD actually surpassing Intel, they are only a little behind them, and when you consider the disparity of resources, it's quite impressive.

I think Intel is either spread too thin over too many different projects or they've discovered the point of diminishing returns for CPU development.

Where the fuck are the mods? This thread looks like a /pol/shitter disaster zone.

>>61298391
just filter the tripfaggot. if you have 4chanx it will filter all the people who he baited too.

I've seen an increase in Intel damage control, /g/. Has Intel increased their spending budget on shills? What's happening here?

>>61297987
>However, Intel is still the dominant force, Ryzen was a huge blow no doubt, but Intel still has a lot of time to get their shit together, before their shares in different parts of the market become too overpowered by AMD.
>muh competition drama
>making a fucking computer
Go away, rajesh.

>>61298379
>Moore's Law meets the harsh reality of the physical world
u wot m8?

>>61298403
Probably. They may have found that place-and-route costs increase exponentially with transistor count. I kek'd.

>>61295960
AMD has both processors and graphics.

>>61298509
I didn't say anything about Moore's law.

>>61298539
I was actually agreeing with you on diminishing returns for CPU development. Harsh realities of the physical world include the need for more transistors vs. such yield-killers as larger dies vs. c, larger dies vs. crystal defects per unit area, and more processing steps vs. shit happening at the tens-of-atoms scale.

>>61298669
Diminishing returns applies to every area of engineering, regardless of physical laws pertaining to transistor manufacturing.
You're never going to get the same amount of value from hiring an extra 10 engineers as you got from hiring the first 10 engineers.

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>>61296723
Kill yourself you perma-BTFO'd tripfaggot

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>>61297004
Kill yourself again you perma-BTFO'd tripfaggot

>>61296179
>Intel has held a monopoly on the CPU market for over 10 years
>AMD released their new and superior CPU architecture less than 2 quarters ago
>"Loads of people still have intel systems"
>"AMD's new CPU's mustn't be able to keep up, wake up everyone"

wew

Intel fired 12,000 people solely to replace them with Pajeets last year. AMD doesn't do this.

>>61298199
Who the fuck gave you permission to crawl out of your dungeon, tripshit?

Do we need to blow you the fuck out again? Have you regenerated already?

>>61297339
Get a ryzen chip, we all knew fx was trash

Reminder that the console market is nearly worthless. The profit margins on each sold console part are ridiculously low. You get a little bit of income just from the scale but we aren't talking about a lot of money.

>>61300131
Isn't Ryzen botnetted?

>>61300182
Don't know, but I don't follow any 'botnet' information off /g/ full of misinformation and tinfoil hats

>>61295960
you don't need thousands of people and the GDP of a european shithole to design a good chip, all it takes is a few competent people

Intel's actual workforce dedicated to their chips probably isn't that much larger than AMD's anyway

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>>61295960
helps you your engineer was hercules on a show

>>61297188
you do know raja is the keller of the gpu universe right?

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:^)

>>61300470
>you don't need thousands of people and the GDP of a european shithole to design a good chip, all it takes is a few competent people
A few million to license ARM cores and peripherals, a few people to design a non-shitty DDR4 interface, a few people to verilog it all together, and a few more million to tape it all out into a nice AM3+ compatible pinout... if only sockets weren't the muh property of the big two, we would have nice things like this by now.

>>61297331
>calls others bigot
>Proceeds to be islamophobic and bigoted against Catholics
Why do people even bother responding to you any more? Why do you even bother hanging around /g/? Nobody here likes you.

The fucking pajeet posting ITT shilling intel while not realizing all the shitty typos he's making is hilarious, thanks for the laugh m8

>>61296179
>>61296417
>>61296530
Why can't you people learn some fucking English?

>>61295960
They've dominated the CPU market for a long time and got lazy and stale.

>>61301564
They were constantly fucking up long long before becoming de-facto monopoly.

>>61296119
why don't you go back to pol? i dont think anyone thinks your welcome here

>>61301608
t. H1B Rajeet

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I've never owned a Intel processor and have had PCs since the mid 1990s.

>>61295960
>how the FUCK does AMD keep up with Intel?
They share patents.
While AMD contributed over 90% of microprocessor innovations the past 20 years, when they do fuck up they can essentially copy Intel no problem to at worse have a matching, competitive product within 3-5 years.

>>61301672
It's time to upgrade.

>>61295960
Intel invest in their fabs and their node process.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they make above 60% profit for every sold chip.

Because productivity scales sublinearly with number of people.

>>61301608
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>61301672
I've never owned an AMD processor and have had PCs since the late 1990s.

>>61297027
so toilets have botnet now?
there is no stopping this jew is there?

>>61297031
stop responding to him, it is the idiots and newfags in this board who feed this attentions whore's craving for humiliation.

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>>61298310

I don't fucking understand people buying the 5 1600 instead of the 7 1700

>>61302107
Price you dunce

>>61298401
how to do that please?

>>61302009
My condolences.

>>61302599
It worked and still works.

>>61302599
I might get a i7 I don't care about muhh botnet

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>>61302107
It's apparently the best value, as in performance/price, among all ryzens. Intel has absolutely nothing in that price range and it sits at a nice level of performance where its plenty for almost all desktop work and games

>>61297339
>tfw rode out the bulldozer shitfest with my 1100T
I honestly feel bad for everyone who bought a FX CPU.

>>61297027
>spending billions on thing that 80% of you Pajeet workers will never use.

>>61303318

Coming from an Athlon 64 X2 it didn't really bother me too much, Ryzen was a breath of fresh air though.

>>61303318
Don't be, 1100T is slightly worse than 8300 in multithreaded workload.

>>61295960
They have help from IBM, Samsung, and a lot of other big players whom all hate Intel.

>>61301776
This much is true but quite frankly Zen and Sandy Bridge are extremely different in terms of design.

>>61302107
This. But some prices in other countries are fucked up. 1600 had the best price/performance compared to 1700.

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>>61295960
>how the FUCK does AMD keep up with Intel? they have less than tenth of the workforce of which many are working on GPUs, and still beat Intel with their Ryzen line to which Intel literally couldn't respond.
>and how can Intel mess up this badly? they just gave up a monopoly because of arrogance, greed, and incompetence. the only tool they have is borderline illegal marketing through force and intimidation. AMD is about to start chewing up on the server market, professional market, laptop market, and already holds the console market.

Lmao amd gpu are a mess and ryzen is only good because its a big upgrade from the fx line. Not gonna see any new things from them. They are like 3 years behind there compeditors there gpus came out late and ryzen is gonna only good because of the cores. Then its slower

>>61306426
>>61304729

>>61296544
>>61296556
It's actually grammatically correct.

t. MBA who got an 800 on the GMAT

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>AMD STOCK $1
>I believe in AMD
>I have both AMD GPU and CPU
>AMD is genuinely great
>Investors fall for Intel shilling
>notice undervalued stock
>It's the only other competing company for christs sake
>Put $100,000 in it
>Make $1,200,000
INTEL FAGS BTFO

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>>61306820
>AMD was sandbagging the whole time
>They fell for the AMD ruse cruise

>>61295960
thats the power of white engineering.

the only thing jew engineers do is try and fuck you over.

>>61295960
Keller is a very talented architect

>>61302107

because in 90% of the cases even a 1600 is overkill.

also $/perf is always king.

i myself would consider 1700 only because the latest and greatest meme. but in actual fact i dont need more than a quad.

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>tfw 7nm 6core CCX next year

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>>61306426
>Ryzen is gonna only good because of the core. Then its slower
LMAO nice English intelpajeet :^)

>>61306426
he didn't fly so good

>>61303945
It was for gaymin.