Holy fuck Stallman BTFO by an animal rights activist.

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>Isnt it hypocritical to support free speech but not free software?
*moves the chair closer with a leg*
I'm not a supporter of free software rights, I'm sorry.

>Isnt freedom your main concern?
I dont agree with you on specific issues on which freedom is important.

>You can modify a car so why not software?
I don't agree that altering someone's work is synonymous with that.

>Why?
What do you mean "Why"? Why not?
You haven't convinced me. It's up to you.
You know, if you want to convince me the burden is on you to convince me not on me to justify not being convinced.

>We're all concerned about freedom so don't you think you should look in these issues a little more closely?
I do but I'm too busy. I will look to them to a certain extent but that doesn't mean I'm going to agree with you!

>If I gave you some resources would you reconsider it?
I'm too busy.

>You're... really? You're too busy to care about freedom of millions and millions of victims of proprietary software?
Right, I'm not concerned about free software as I am about free speech.

>Free software *is* free speech hence the word "free"
Please, come on. You're playing word games now. The fact is, there are many different ethical issues in life and I'm talking about one of them!

>Freedom of software should be on par with freedom of speech though.
I don't agree with you there.
I don't have to justify not agreeing with you especially when you have prepared arguments and I have not!

>Maybe it's something worth thinking about then.
Maybe it is. But I'm really busy thinking about what I'm thinking about!

>But you're hurting your freedom and other's freedom by supporting proprietary software.
Well you think so but I don't think so. And you know what the disagreement is.

>I have not heard an argument
I don't have to give you one. You know where we disagree.
And the things you're saying to me they basically just presume that you're right at that fundamental point.
And that's not really an argument.

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what does he mean by this

>>61276414
wtf he isn't even wearing shoes

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>>61276414
he's ready to peal the skins off his feet and eat em.
That's how his lunch is made.

>>61276413
This

>>61276413
>I don't have to justify not being convinced
Uh, what? Asking someone to explain their thought process is how you have a conversation. It's just a waste of time if they won't even explain what their problem is.

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How does she not understand that he is only trying to fight for software freedoms. Most people don't fight for freedom ff of everything because that includes the freedom to murder for example.
How can this dumb baka not understand this.

>>61276413
This is the definition of strawman argument. If Stallman actually argued in that manner, then his position would be pretty weak, but his arguments are backed up by more than what you've stated.

You can fairly argue that the animal activist's arguments are backed up by more than what they have stated, but it's absurd to try to convince someone of something by relying on a mutual understanding without first establishing that mutual understanding.

>>61276371
he's so fucking based!!!!!!!!!!!!1

stupid roastie starts whining about some completely IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT (typical woman), and he has none of it.

> BOOHOO EATING ANIMALS IS MUrDER hurrrrr durrr
< you haven't convinced me

>>61276371
Wtf are you even talking about? He knocked down everything she said. She's rambling on about animal rights at a fucking event about free software. She's clearly a smug person who just wanted to challenge someone, and came off like an idiot since it's literally irrelevant to the subject that was at hand.

It's like going to Comic Con, and trying to debate everyone about your religion; just a clear lack of social understanding that it's quite autistic.

>>61276371
"animals are persons"

WHAT A FCKING MORON BITCH HAHAHAHAHHAHA

>stallman btfo
>it's just another activist talking nonsense about another subject looking for attention and that it has nothing to do with software

Stallman btfo the activist clearly

>>61276969
She is trying to convince him that he should care about a totally different """freedom""". By turning it around and asking why he doesnt , it implies he specifically goes out of his way to avoid that subject and it indeed is something he should care about.
Why should he care about it in the first place. That is her job to convince him why.

>>61277013
Literally this. Her behavior was ridiculous and I'm legitimately surprised Stallman kept his cool.

>>61277046
It really wasn't the proper forum for the topic of animal rights, no idea what that person was expecting to accomplish by asking that question...

>>61276969
He's saying if you're the one trying to argue someone should think a certain way (like about animals in this case), the burden of proof is on you to convince that person.

The person you're trying to convince does not have any obligation to prove why they currently take the side that they do if they're not the one who brought up the debate. Like he said, he's too busy researching another ethical issue to know enough about this other one. She's the one who clearly has researched animal rights issues, so she should be able to convince people. Too bad she chose to bring it up at a software-related event like a moron.

>>61277013
this. OP is just retarded

the activist is retarded as fuck,
"animals are persons"
lol no

>>61276414
Mansplaining

>>61276414
Is this what average programming penguin operating system user looks like?

>>61276371
Stallman is clearly in the right position here. I will admit I do not follow the free software movement because I just don't find the motivation to put down Windows. anyways moving forward... Mr. Stallman clearly had the high ground in this "debate", if you would even call it that, and she just wanted to look for an argument. He clearly stated that he is BUSY... He is busy fighting for the freedom of software, there are other people that should focus in on the animal rights issue, but Stallman has his main focus on free software. If the lady can't respect that and you too OP, then you can gladly fuck off and join me and many other fags in the botnet.

>>61277147
Also, I had to be childish and just point out that I guess that bitch is vegan.

"animal rights"

pretty sure that vegan cunt BTFOed himself

>>61276414
wow stallman is thicc

brb fapping to rms.sexy

>>61276414
how do you get that beach ball belly physique?

>>61277748
Never in your life do any physical activity and chug bear everyday.

>>61277748
diet of open source pizza. he compiles it himself from lunchables

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>>61277770
topkek

>>61277767
I've already got the first one down and he doesn't look like an alcoholic

>>61277021
She BTFO'd herself there

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>>61276371
>vegan faggot tries to argue about something unrelated
>Satallman says he just doesn't care
>whiny cunt still bitching
Nah, Stallman just sat there and let the faggot spin its wheels.

>>61276921
Lost me on line 2.

>>61276371
Do not move to windows, microdick is becoming as bad as apple, and success is just now coming into view for linux with the passing of that titan.

>>61276371
>waaaa you're a hypocrite why don't you fight my battle
Lazy cunt with nothing to do
Americans are faggots tho, why not just tell her "fuck off you're in the wrong place"?

Being a programmer is suffering:

Richard Stallman
Terry Davis
Hans Reiser
Ian Murdock
Uriel

>>61277021
>>61277108
>>61277816
name a trait that's present in you and not in animals

>>61276371

(((Daniel Himmelstein)))

>>61277963
High levels of consciousness

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his Saint IGNUcius character is funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jPmnDZ6ab8

>>61277963
>>61277963
innately?

>>61278060
capitalize that consciousness and yes they totally. My cat is not a tongue in any way and will literally ask about speech all the time. Like..

"Speloonie? *looks at me* what's that?" and starts saying it to himself


Animals are totally capable of it.

>>61278082
I think you should spend less time with your cat, anon

Why the fuck is a stupid yuppie vegan slut in a stallman talk?
Why are vegans even allowed to exist?

> Animals are persons
Compelling argument

>>61277963
only humans have the mental predisposition to being able to shitpost on 4chan.

>>61277963
I can fuck your mom
Oh wait no, everyone does that. Regardless of species

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>>61278248

>open video
>first thing I see is him rubbing his fungus ridden feet on the chair

>>61277963
Productivity
>inb4 projecting autist

>>61277963
Sapience

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[–]gobblegourd 2 points 2 months ago

I asked him if there was an opportunity for the free software movement to collaborate with other movements concerning freedom and justice such as Black Lives Matter or the Animal Liberation movements. He said he couldn't see how; they're too different. Then he said he agrees with one of those movements, but not the other.

Then another person asked Stallman if he thinks it's hypocritical that his whole talk is about "freedom" when he supports an industry that confines, abuses, and murders billions of animals every day. He jaw waved up and down as he struggled to find words. He denied that animals are treated poorly, and said that the burden of proof is on her to convince him otherwise. She offered to send him evidence, but he refused, saying he did not have time. He would rather ignore the issue.

Animal liberation is something that's very important to me, and being a free software activist means working towards a world where everyone is free. Animals deserve to be included in that vision, so we should not kill them, use them for their fur, confine them, milk them, or eat them. In Stallman's slides, there is an image of people being chained by the neck to a computer running proprietary software. In his presentation that is a metaphor, but we cannot ignore the cattle who literally have chains around their necks.

>>61276371
Fucking SJW's making their neuroses into everyone else's problem. Fuck them all.

>>61277121
Sexist.

>asserting his dominance by showing off package, mounting chair

GNU/Alpha

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>I'm too busy
He sure is.

Animal abuse is all around us whether we like it or not. Mass breeding of these live stock to satisfy human consumption just further puts these animals in positions of abuse. It is always going to be this way. Dumb animal activist just doesn't know she fighting an endless war. Our stomachs put them on our main menu and there is no changing that. Animal abuse will remain an issue. Stallman must realize this or the guy just loves bacon too much to care.

Also, Stallman is faggot. I didn't want to see a grown ass man play with a chair.

>>61276371
Stallman doesn't have to be right on everything, he doesn't even have to be completely right about software licenses. He is just a guy who is interested on software licenses and how software should be shared, that's it. He is not Jesus...

Daily reminder that Stallman used to work for one of the most evil enterprises out there, literally helping them on their proprietary anti-freedom goals for a loooong time before creating the FSF and the GNU Project.

If you take the word of someone just because of the name of the person then you are an idiot. It doesn't matter that by chance you decided to use free software, you are still an idiot for not analyzing arguments yourself.

The animal rights activist did in fact BTFO RMS, and if he wasn't such a fatty burger he would totally consider the animal rights argument and probably accept it. But such is life in burgerland: people is addicted to unmoral food.

>>61278540
Me: Do not worry citezen, with the power of science we will soon be able to create our nutrients without animals, resulting in a huge decrease in factory farming.

Average person: BUT MUH RELIGION.

Me: shit

>>61277963

shitposting

>>61276493
u must be GNU here

I am really surprised that Stallman actually stuck on point. He's basically right on with his argument.
Whoever is pushing him is just blanketing disagreement about a completely unrelated issue because of a vague delusional link of freedom that links unrelated topics.

IMO Stallmeme rekt her with the suggestion to go to an animal rights talk

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>>61276371
You did not use GNU/Linux. There is no such thing. You used the Linux operating system.

>>61276371
Did we watch the same video? PETAbitch got destroyed.

>>61277748
beer
t. alcoholic

>>61276371
>I used GNU/Linux for 3 years now but after this I don't know but after this how would we, fellow freetards, ever recover?
> I... I guess I'm moving to Windows now.
>>>
12 bing points and a plate of curry have been deposited to your designated microsoft online evangelism account, pootella. You tried really hard at this

>>61277963
humour

>>61277963
Rights.

>>61279532
I think too many /g/entoomen have autisticly accepted Richard Stallman as a man who can do no wrong and will side with anything he says

>>61280938
Richard Stallman only downs open source beer

Animals are not people. Free software only concerns people. People deserve rights. Animals do not. We eat them, study them and own them for the benefit of survival and society. How the fuck does the activist not know this?
The next thing you know, activists will call rocks people and try to support rights for them.

>>61281499
>he still thinks rights are deserved and not agreed upon by a society (civilized one)
I'm not defending activists by any mean, but stating you "deserve rights" is pretty naive.

>>61277963
yes we are animals, but we must think that we are superior to other species, you wouldn't kill someone to save a dog

>>61281768
I would save a dog instead of a nigger or a mudslim though, being a human isn't an "achievement" or something to be considered inherently worthy.

>>61278540
> he supports an industry that confines, abuses, and murders billions of animals every day. [1]

[1] citation needed

>>61281900
yes but would you KILL a nigger to save a dog ?
If you do you'll get in jail, because it's the common sense and we need to think that way

would you fuck a dog ?

I've eaten whale and I'm not ashamed to say it tasted bretty good.
I can see why it was a staple, especially for colonies, for a long time.
I reckon, as long as it is sustainable, whaling shouldn't be demonized.

>>61278062

collect this shit

>>61278540

nigga wearing a dashiki

>>61281949
I don't think I will kill said nigger because jail time and jail is the church of the negro, but I would beat him hard, subhumans need to get domesticated one way or another, and common sense and laws are clearly not on the same field, >muh human rights for everyone is retarded, societies have evolved in different environments with different circumstances, you just can't apply the same rules to everyone to feel morally superior, if you want people to bet better sometimes you have to force them into civilization like the white man's burden, not hold hands and say everyone is equal.
And dogs can't consent, just like kids so fucking them is an abhorrent behavior.

>>61278060
>>61278355
>>61278371
>>61281327
Maybe this would have been an answer 200 years ago, but come on anons, we're far from being the only intelligent species on the planet. Hell, we may not even be the most intelligent. We really don't know the full extent of cephalopod and cetacean intelligence, dolphins have complex societies with names and, although we can't say for sure, it's very possible they have complex language just like we do. Our great ape relatives are also all intelligent, at least as much so as a human child. Not to mention corvids, which are most likely on the same sort of level as non-human great apes.

Tool creation/use, language, self-awareness, society, art, etc. All of these things were once thought to be what made humanity unique, but as time goes on we discover that more and more of what makes us "human" are actually traits shared by many species in the animal world. So while it is stupid to call animals in general "persons", the line between "animals" and "humans" has become very blurred in the last 50 years or so. I think some animals absolutely do deserve basic human rights, if a chimpanzee has the mental capacity of a human child, why should they be treated the same as non-sentient cattle?

>>61282089
Face it, if animals want rights, human-like rights, they need to get on our level.

>>61279402
Look at that gut!

>>61282089
Note, none of the creatures you listed off are farmed industrially.

We've kinda got the human treatement of creatures down pat.

Call me when the farm animals revolt and do communism though. I'll be sure to want to see that.

>>61282089
Why should an apex predator species give a shit about what dolphins think? Think about what you're suggesting for a moment and then kill yourself.

>>61277948
stallman hasn't been a programmer in decades

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>>61282248
>apex predator
>mfw a filthy biped is arrogant near me

>>61282261
>weak woman gets mauled
>species must not be apex lulz

I know you're a faggot but come on

>>61278540
> being a free software activist means working towards a world where everyone is free.
Care with your words there. Free software activists advocate about the four essential freedoms every software should have. Everything else is not part of the free software movement, though sometimes tangentially related (such as privacy). Animal freedom is not related to free software at all.

>>61282231
Octopuses and whales aren't routinely hunted and killed? What Earth do you live on? The bush meat trade kills tons of chimps in Africa, and habitat destruction is wiping out orangutans in Asia.

>>61282248
>>61282283
The status of humans as an "apex predator" is a subject of much debate in the scientific community. We farm animals, but that is not the same as predation. In the wild, like other great apes, humans have natural predators. Africa is a scary place.

>>61282316
Oh wow scientists mull over something that is obvious to everyone else, I am fucking shocked. When we're rounded up and farmed by some other species I'll admit we're not but until hell freezes over I'll continue going to my butcher and reminding him that we're not the apex species on the planet.

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>>61276371
>animals are persons
based rms never bows to retardation, that's one of the many reasons why he's a model to us all

>>61282364
Great post, practically overflowing with arguments.

>>61277104
>OP is just retarded
this and a ms shill most probably

>>61282364
>An apex predator, also known as an alpha predator or apical predator, is a predator residing at the top of a food chain upon which no other creatures prey.
Humans are preyed upon by other animals, we are by definition not apex predators. Just because you live in a nice comfy city doesn't mean everyone else does.

>>61276413
>I have not heard an argument
I don't have to give you one.

This sums up entire creative writing, and is a pointless retreat into feels. Stallman would never take part in such rubbish for long.

>>61282389
You never presented an argument in the first place. "Scientists say..." is not an argument. The fact that I can go to a store and buy the parts of other animals should be sufficient proof of our superiority. If there was a financial incentive to take over the remainder of Africa and Australia we will but until there is it'll remain as it is.

>>61282400
What actually threatens humans via predation? The fact that most humans aren't threatened by a predator is a fact, you're talking about an extreme minority at this point.

>>61282400
Picking off an extreme minority of a population doesn't dethrone an apex predator. The dictionary definition is misleading in that regard.

>>61282089
being an animal just means being from a different species
they don't have rights regardless of mental acuity because we say so

>>61282418
It depends on where you live, it's true in some environments humans are the apex predator, but that's not true everywhere. The main predator of great apes (including humans) are big cats. It may not be a lot because we live in large complex social groups and have technology to prevent it, but the fact is that humans do have natural predators and we are killed and eaten on occasion in some habitats.

>>61282428
>im right and the dictionary is wrong because i say so
To be an apex predator you must not be preyed upon by any other animal in your habitat, at all. There's no "oh I guess you can have 100 of you killed and eaten a year and not count as prey" clause.

>>61282471
I'd say a human with a contemporary firearm is an apex predator

A human without is not

>>61282418
>You never presented an argument in the first place. "Scientists say..." is not an argument.
The note that scientists are debating it was not the argument, I included the actual arguments in the post [In the wild, like other great apes, humans have natural predators]. This is a valid argument against humans being apex predators, as apex predators do not have natural predators by definition. Any claim to the contrary is mental gymnastics on your part.

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>>61276413
I have a much better argument. He supported Macron but not Trump.

>>61282501
Well, therein lays the debate. Humans might be able to prevent themselves from being killed with a firearm, but other animals still technially try to prey upon them even if unsuccessfully. A human has to worry about being attacked and eaten, an apex predator shouldn't have to because no animal naturally in their habitat attempts to prey upon them. So the question is does simply not being killed count as not being preyed upon, even if there are still attempts to hunt and kill us?

>>61282469
I didn't say they have natural rights, or claim that such a thing even exists. I expressed a belief that humans should extend the rights that we have given to ourselves to other intelligent animals.

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>>61282316
Europa. fuck off we're full.

He handled it pretty well.

What she needs to understand is that he's devoted his life to free software, just as she's most likely devoted her life, or at least a significant portion of her life to animal rights.

We live in a world of a specialization, as is necessary for advanced societies. Anyone that displays greatness in an certain subject/trade, necessarily neglect other areas of their life. No one is perfect and will never be perfect.

>>61278540
>we should not kill them, use them for their fur, confine them, milk them, or eat them
well, obviously we shouldn't do only one of those.
Only killing them wastes the meat, fur, and milk.
Only using them for their fur wastes the meat and milk.
Only confining them wastes the meat, fur, milk, and resources to feed them.
Only milking them wastes their fur and meat.
Only eating them wastes their fur and (possibly) their milk.

>>61281416
Good thing open source beer is readily available.

Including corporate collaboration:
http://moderntimesbeer.com/blog/open-source-brewing

>>61282521
>>>/pol/

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>>61278248
>>61277963

>>61282471
Your argument is a never ending roundabout. That's why it's wrong. Sharks are eaten by other fish or strangled by squid/octopi, big cats are eaten by crocs or snakes or each other or humans or trampled by elephants/hippos/buffalo. Everything technically succumbs to the maggots that humans, birds and other insects eat. A six foot falcon diving at 200mph could kill fucking anything. The food chain doesn't just stop, it gets to a survival hierarchy, and that hierarchy doesn't include "take the advantages away," so humans fully get access to an arsenal. We can eat basically anything on the earth, unless it's extremely poisonous. We can kill everything on the earth, bar nothing. We're by and large the apex predators of the planet.

>>61277104
I'm pretty sure it was "bait" to boost interest in the thread. It was sarcasm.

>>61277963
I can enjoy the sensation of being on fire that peppers provide.

>>61279403
It's funny how animal rights activists think that giving animals a super easy life with no need to hunt or even move is somehow abuse. For fucks sakes we feed them and water them and make sure things don't kill them then end their lives quickly and consume whats left, most humans would be pretty damn envious of their luxurious lives.

>>61282089
I don't see dolphins or apes building computers. Also I don't remember any of the species trying to kill humans stopping just because we started to develop technology.

>>61282400
Just because an occasional outlier gets killed doesn't suddenly make a species no longer an apex predator. Your argument is practically equivalent to saying that because a couple of baby tigers got killed by some other animal one time that means that the tiger is no longer the apex predator. An apex predator isn't solely apex because other animals are scared of it, it's because it has the power to back up the fear of those other animals.

>>61284191
>It's funny how animal rights activists think that giving animals a super easy life with no need to hunt or even move is somehow abuse.
It is abuse, they become weak and unfit to take care of themselves without human intervention. The same underlying principle can be seen in humans inside these fucking nanny states.

Remove neccessity and you remove strength. You grow weak when you have nothing to strive for.

>>61276371
That animal rights activist got ETERNALLY BTFO

>>61284364
It's not like the animals actually need that much strength with us taking care of them. Also I don't think the animals had much to strive for in the first place, they just eat fuck and sleep.

>>61284427
The point being animals can take care of themselves fine enough if humans leave them alone and dont destroy their habitats.

Besides that, why would you even /want/ another being to be dependant on you?

>>61284230
An apex predator is an animal that has no natural predators. Humans have natural predators, therefore we are not apex predators. Our technology and social groups give us very good defense mechanisms, but they are just that - defense mechanisms designed to protect us (the prey) from the predators. I don't know what's so difficult to accept about the idea - humans are great apes, great apes are not apex predators. Of course, that's only in habitats with natural human predators (basically wherever there's big cats), in most environments we are the apex predator - but it's not a universal truth that we are "the" apex predator on the planet. Technically there's no apex predator in places where there are human predators, as although they prey upon us we also prey upon them. It's more like a food circle than a food chain.

>>61276414
that's one swollen ankle
lotsa fluid in there
he really should do some cardio

>>61276414
The pose of freedom

>>61284203
Intelligence is not measured solely in physical technology, due to the environment in which cetaceans live and their physiology it is unlikely they would produce the sort of technology we do. They are probably all philosopher-poet types if they are as intelligent as believed. Apes would not develop advanced technology because although they are intelligent and demonstrate self-awareness and tool use, they're still only on the level of a human child.

>>61284504
>philosopher-poet
>intelligent
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>61276921
>Has schizophrenia, a badass mental disorder
Please. I can only laugh so much.

>>61277013
Clearly OP was writing sarcastically.

>>61276921
nobody can deny this image

>>61284521
>who is Goethe

>>61276414
Does have only have one polo that he wears all the time?

I'm a vegetarian, and although I believe software can be used in order to help the animal rights cause I don't think her attitude was right. It's like getting angry and frustrated because you can't milk computers.

>>61276371
>animals are persons
kek
animuls only have rights, no obligations waaaaah

>>61282032
Okay, so you believe that there are inferior Species of Humans but Animals aren't inferior to Humans.
Then I will use your own Arguments tehre and ask the inherent difference between Subhumans and "Normal" Humans and Why that is different from Animals

>>61278060
so someone with a level of consciousness as high as an animal is not a person

>>61278355
so someone as productive as an animal (or even less, which is not a stretch by far) is not a person

>>61278371
someone as smart as an animal (like a child) is not a person

>>61281327
how do you know it's not present in animals? also: someone who doesn't have a sense of humour is not a person

>>61281347
someone who can't reciprocate rights is not a person

>>61281768
not a trait, just like all the ones that have been mentioned to me, but a species. and you're not really answering my question. that's the definition of speciesism and you wouldn't accept it if a more intelligent/capable species emerged.

>>61284164
peppers make you a person?

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>>61276371
>animals are persons
>I don't agree with you here

Based rms.

>>61284191

Thats quite the pretty picture you conjured up for the life of an animal humans consume on a daily basis but I can assure it is not luxurious as you might think. For example cows are force raped to produce milk and sometimes bolt guns don't fully kill them so they go through agonizing pain and suffering while in the process of getting slaughtered for their flesh. Chickens are crowded by the thousands usually leading disease or pecking each other which eventually kills them. But worst of all, animals that we consume all have one thing in common is that their beaten while living that oh so luxurious life you claim for them which sometimes causes broken limbs or fatal injuries. Do you still want the life of a live stock animal knowing this? Don't get me wrong Stallman's statements are very sound on why the activist shouldn't have brought up that subject in a Open source conference but what she said about animal abuse is true. Trying to recruit Stallman for her own agenda was a dick move on her part because she is fighting something that has been happening all around the world that may never come to a stop until our usual live stock is gone that is or humans are wiped out from existence from some man made air born virus.

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>>61282253
And yet GCC is the best of the best fucking compiler ever made

makes me like Stallman even more

I don't know what this apex predator bullshit is all about but humans are not apex predators. We are just fortunate enough to have the ability to step outside of the food chain. Some stupid or unlucky humans not so much. That is Darwinism for you.

stallman just enjoys having sex with parrots too much to care about animal rights

>>61277066
It's usually pretty hard to trigger Stallman, he's used to banter since he's a prankster, not just that but he autistically reads every email he gets and answers most of them
The only time I ever saw Stallman lose his cool was at that event in Brazil

>>61276371
As a vegan I always wondered what Stallmans stance was, I figured it would be some copout like "I don't give a shit"

Guess I was right

>>61281752
>but stating you "deserve rights" is pretty naive
the core ideal of freedom and democracy is spreading around the world like a virus, chum

deal with it. :^)

>>61276371
Why is he doing the Captain Morgan pose lmfao

>>61277963
I can shitpost :^)

>>61276413
Since when he didn't care about free software?

>animals are person


What...

>>61276414
He's a hippie nerd, a true hacker, the last of its kind.

>>61286555
Here's one, the ability to learn and communicate with a language. No animal on earth can accumulate and use a human grammar, except for humans who do this from birth.

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with eating animals or produce but I am a supporter of keeping animals in healthy natural environments outside rather than forcing them into a cube where they can barely move and shit and eat in the same position while they are force fed into being fat enough to be slaughtered.

>>61288984
kek

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>>61279391

kek

I wonder what she has to say about plants. If animals are persons and deserve freedom, why don't plants deserve such freedoms too?

>>61276414
the capt. morgan

>>61293507
Plants lack a nervous system and brain, and therefore aren't sentient and can't feel pain or suffer in the capacity an animal can

>b-but plants are alive, they react to external stimuli
Yes, but it is not analogous to 'pain' as we commonly understand it. It's disingenuous to assert otherwise. But even if they felt the same pain as animals, the impact of a plant based diet has a better net impact on the planet and I would still advocate for it over one that includes animals