/pcbg/ - PC Building General

First for vega when

why is building a pc so disapointing today? everything is mb except the gpu

Trying to build a fairly inexpensive rig that can play some of my favorite older games. Not looking to run anything at 8k 6000fps, just wanna be able to play like borderlands and civilization at a pretty good resolution. I’d also like it to be fairly small, I’ve seen some of these cases at Fry’s that are the size of a nightstand and I really don’t need that either. I don’t know a lot about this stuff please halp me /g/

Best place to get cheap windows keys that wont get revoked?

>>61246047
bought win10 pro for 25 shekels on kinguin

>>i7 7700k - 144hz only

Conveniently leave out that it's the best for gaming.

>>61245946
Read the op.
Follow what it says for budget cpu. What it says for the resolution you want while gaming.
I am not your mommy spoonfeeding you everything. Start by trying to understand and then come back and have people check your reasoning

>>61245906
Approximately 1 month before disappointment.

>>61246080
Shut up. I'm one of the guys that kept requesting it being added back for 144hz. But for current gaming its performance at 60hz is almost the same as Ryzen. And going forward games will start to optimize for multithreading more and more.

>>61245806
Standard pcbg hdd recommendation?

>>61246124
1/2 tb western digital blue, or Seagate or whatever is cheaper where you live

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posted in last thread before it died, kek

Build in progress. I already have a GPU, PSU, 1 SSD, and an HDD. I have a linux machine for doing some light content creation but mostly use ffmpeg to convert stuff to different formats. Also the occasional audio recording.

The big thing for me is a MB with some expansion slots. I only use one GPU and I'm fine with that. I might want to add a capture card or internal audio interface so I can plug some microphones or inputs into it.

tl;dr
>motherboard recommendations

>>61245860
>mass AMD shilling
Can't make this shit up
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2939&cmp[]=2660&cmp[]=3029
Zen is weaker in single threaded benchmarks than fucking Excavator.
>b-b-but it's 3.6GHz vs 3.4GHz
Even if you adjusted the Ryzen's score to the same clock frequency, it still loses to the Excavator CPU by a hundred points.
What a fucking joke of an architecture. This is literally Bulldozer rehashed and marketed.

>>61246080
So what? Do you want me to recommend people with 60hz screen to waste their money on a 144hz CPU just because it's "the best gaming CPU!" and has "the strongest single core" and other buzzwords?
Different CPU are fit for different usages, the 7700k might be the best at gaming but it's a total waste of money if you don't take advantage of said performance, aka if you don't have a high refresh rate screen.

>>61246150
I thought they were both frowned upon here? Blues for being slower than other drives and Seagate Barracuda for being unreliable.

So im going to finally buy an ssd. Should i go for a 120 gb ssd and make it a boot drive? or should i go for slightly higher storage?

>>61246166
Please do not make claims about things that you know nothing about, especially if your sources for those claims are from a garbage unreliable synthetic benchmarking website.

>>61246269
>one of the most widely used benchmarking software in the world used to test desktops, laptops, and servers
>garbage
Sure thing, kiddo
>>>/v/

>>61246047
Maybe mine is really old info then.
Blues are definitely slower than others but since most people are getting ssd's now for their main work or gaming purposes, I have no problem, personally, buying a bit slower drive if it saves me money

>>61245860
Is this salvageable?

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>>61246301
out

>>61246338
Theoretically if you're autistic eno-
>broken transistors
nevermind.

>>61246166
>>61246301
>plebmark
>not trash
>t. tech illiterate
Go back to facebook.

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>saw a 1080 for 1000€ today
>saw a 1050Ti for 200€ today
Miners need to fucking die already.

is this good for the price or can I go cheeper
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yy2FkT

>>61247457
No. It's a good build but with like 20-30 USD more you can upgrade it with a better mobo, 2400 RAM and 500W PSU for future upgrades.

>>61245946
Without any details I'm going to suggest a Ryzen 5 build, probably with a 1600 or maybe 1400 if you don't need the heat/performance of a 1600. GPU will probably be a 1050 Ti since you can't find anything else for sale without looking at secondhand merchandise.

>>61246080
Only at 1080p at over about 100 fps or so. Even then in some games its minimums are lower than Ryzen's and a 6 or 8 core Intel chip. For most people this is not an issue and it sacrifices a lot of multi-threaded performance compared to Ryzen.

>>61246124
Personally I go with WD Reds or Hitachi drives. Some Toshiba drives are excellent as well. I keep programs/games on SSDs for the most part.

>>61247719
To add, for SSDs I usually stick with Samsung NVMe when they're on sale, or Corsair Neutron XTi drives. Both go on sales a few times a year that I've seen so I'll get one then if I need one.

>>61247457
I would wait for Ryzen 3 to release, probably a better deal than a G4560.

>>61247719
>>61247737
I have an 850 evo as my main drive. The Hitachi all seem to be enterprise which means they're probably loud, no go for me.
What's better between the Toshiba p300 and a Seagate Barracuda? They're priced almost the same.

How big of a difference will 2 CAS make on 16GB of DDR4-3200? I'm paying $50 more for 14 CAS vs 16 in hopes it'll actually benefit my vidya but I want to ask in case I'm being a retard and could use that money toward peripherals.

>tfw using L100 DELL keyboard from long dead pre-builts

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>>61247277
>tfw bought 48 GPUs in April

>>61247782
Oh I wouldn't say they're loud at all really, they're not 10k RPM drives or anything. Enterprise generally means they're more robust, have better longevity and can run 24/7 under high load or something like that.

>>61247785
It doesn't make a lot of difference tbqh, but 2 CAS is still better than jumping from 3200 to 3400 for example. But either way you're better off using the money on a better CPU, then you'll get a real, tangible, guaranteed upgrade.

>>61247785
I wouldn't pay for that delta in timing personally. If you were up at 20 or so, then yeah pay for the 14 but not if you're at 16.

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recommend me some HDD. I'm not sure what's the best brand or even what to look at when picking an HDD
my specs are semi related I guess. having about 100GB of free space sucks

guys, whats the best ultra wide monitor? I have a HP 25ES but I want something new and huge.

>>61247898
what program do use to get this information?

>>61247898
Assuming you're using it for media, get something like a 4TB WD Red drive.

https://www.amazon.com/Red-4TB-Hard-Disk-Drive/dp/B00EHBERSE/

Get more or less space as you need

>>61247922
Speccy

>>61247941
thank you

>>61247907
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M1D7JVO

can a mobo give any form of bottleneck for vidya performance?

thinking of a 1440p 144hz build with a 1080ti and a 1700, but amd's microatx mobo options seem to be a bit lackluster compared to intel's

>>61247277
just bought a 1050ti for 140$

>>61247988
Mainly it can limit your OC potential by not providing sufficient power or cooling to various parts of the mobo.

>>61247975
ive read about this. hit and miss kinda. do you have one?

>>61248004
makes sense. other than that, a really high end microatx build isn't an inherently dumb idea right? there's no massive problem with it?

it's just most really high end builds i see use atx motherboards even though people only have one graphics card and maybe 2 HDDs at most with no intent of something like SLI, so i don't understand why everyone keeps getting massive mobos and cases when they don't need them

>>61247898
I have a WD Blue and it's fine, can't hear it over the rest of my system. Can anyone attest to if the Seagate Barracuda is as quiet?

>>61247988
See >>61248004
It can and will limit your OC capabilities but it has no influence on the GPU.
>AMD mobos
OC differences will likely be minor and silicon lottery of the CPU will be a more important factor. You can OC a 4 or 6 core on most B350 mobos to 3.9GHz, 8 core is a different story.

>>61248011
Yes, I have one on my office workstation. I used to have a dual monitor setup but I replaced it with this.

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I have a question.

Is this SSD compatible with this motherboard?

and is this motherboard compatable with this case?


https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w34NnQ/intel-600p-series-512gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpekkw512g7x1


https://pcpartpicker.com/product/F9Gj4D/msi-motherboard-z170agamingm5

motherboard^


https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mn3RsY/phanteks-case-phes614pbk

case^

Thanks. I've been googling, but these chiplike SSD's are so new to me. I don't know anything about them. I'm new to building. I hadn't built one since 2006. so if you have a better alternative, that would be cool.

Thanks.

Is a 980ti used for 300€ a good deal?
What about 340€?

>>61247814
>>61247826
Thanks, just wanted to be sure. I plan on buying the R7 1700 but since Microcenter is out of them I'll move up to the X for $30 more. Don't think there's a reason to move up from there even though my budget allows.

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>>61248153
Read the manuals and fuck off back to plebbit you retarded faggot.

>>61248153
>Is this SSD compatible with this motherboard?
Yes? It has an M.2 slot in there, it's not like there's a restricted QVL like with RAM and it's not like Intel SSDs are shady chink shit and wouldn't work with their own motherboards
>and is this motherboard compatable with this case?
Yes, mobo is ATX and so is the case, it'll fit.

What are you building by the way?
And please stop spacing your lines like a redditor, it's very suffering to read.

>>61248214
> fuck off back to plebbit
I don't visit reddit. I did read the specs. I'm not seeing what you use to check compatibility on these newer SSD's. I'd always had a disk drive.

>>61248171
Normally over 300 wouldn't be a good deal because you could just get a new 1070 for a bit more.
But currently there's not many options, so go for it I guess.

>>61248247
I'm sorry. I'm used to doing that to send emails. Thanks for letting me know. This is what I'm building. What do you think?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RHzMNN

>>61246047
why not just fucking pirate then? at this point pirating is just more safe than buying a cdkey from some shady site and hoping it doesn't get revoked.

>>61248344
Never had a problem with Kinguin myself

>>61248339
That's good on it's own but what's the specific usage for it? Just gaming?
A 1080ti is quite overkill for 1080p144hz, and for a few bucks more you can get a Noctua NH-D15S (the S is important) which performs very very similarly even though it has only one fan (and room for a second like the D14 or even a third)

>>61246190
>Seagate Barracuda for being unreliable.
it was true few years ago and only for 1 specific model. other than that it's a dead meme that only technologically illiterate people believe in.
toshiba/seagate are good picks for hdds.

>>61247782
i heard p300 are marginally slower than seagate, but also quieter and since hdds are meant for storage i'd go with toshiba

>>61248364
i don't have a problem with kinguin it's just you gain literally NOTHING from buying a shady cdkey rather than pirating and using an activator.
you're just giving money to some russian ivan who got it for free or stole it.

>>61248392
I switched it out for an NH-D15.

It's just for gaming. I intend to upgrade the monitor later on, but needed something budget for now.

>>61248339
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RHzMNN
either upgrade to monitor 1440p144hz / 4k or get a cheaper gpu (there aren't any tho)

>>61248339
I would go with a 144hz 2560x1440 monitor if you have a 1080 Ti. And at that point you should also go with Ryzen 7 since you will hardly ever have a CPU limitation in games.

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So I brought my 1080ti and monitor over to my friends house for the fourth.
Turns out a g4560 and 1080ti is the way to go for 4k. Everything ran at 60 fps just fine at 4k ultra.
If I could get my money back I would just go with pic related because there's literally no difference as my 4k monitor is only 60hz.
Just something to cook ur noodle I suppose.

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Anons I was finally approved for NEETbux and I want to get a vidya PC but I know nothing about computers, I've never personally owned one, I don't even know what each part does, how do I into computer.


I want something to play mil-sim vidya like such as Red Orchestra 2 and Squad since I've wanted to play those for ages but can't on console, I'm also gonna use the PC for spending excessive amounts of time on 4chan and some other non vidya stuff like 3d modeling(wanted to do that ever since I tried CAD software on a high school PC) and maybe buy a drawing tablet to try to learn how to draw.
Also hentai games.

Pls help me stop being a dumb console pleb/phone-poster

>>61246122
>going forward games will start to optimize for multithreading more and more
I remember telling people this 10 years ago when I built my first PC.

>>61248541
I'll tell you what.
Add me on discord and you will have full access to my vast, autism fueled, knowledge of every piece of computer hardware.
In exchange you must help me get the neetbux

>>61248541
lurk more and google and read the OP
also I don't know why this isn't included in the OP

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

finally got my ryzen 1600 build ready

shit is cash

need a 144hz monitor tho

any recommendations for ~200? i keep hearing bad shit about a lot of monitors i'm finding in that price range(they're old, shit colors, too expensive)

can anyone explain to me why you need an i7 over an i5 for gaming? Seems like everything I read is telling me that CPU isn't the bottleneck for graphics and seem like i5 is still hella CPU for 2/3's the price.

>>61248339
>>61248482
also don't fall for the intel meme; you can get double the capacity ssd for literally the same price. the difference in real-world performance will be minimal compared to sata drives like su800 (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V3mxFT/a-data-ultimate-su800-512gb-25-solid-state-drive-asu800ss-512gt-c)

>>61248530
g4560 still bottlenecks 1080ti only in 4k it isn't as noticeable

>>61248541
read the op

>>61248552
sorry to break it to you but it has already happened anon.

>>61248582
>http://www.logicalincrements.com/
it was removed because their recommendations are shit.

>>61248614
hyperthreading being used by modern games

>>61248611
1080p btw

i aint rich

>>61248073
I would guess because cable management and airflow are extremely important in most high end builds.

>>61248497
>you should also go with Ryzen 7 since you will hardly ever have a CPU limitation in games.
I chose the 7700K with respect to the games I currently play. Benchmarks from Rust show that the game performs better with the 7700k as opposed to the Ryzen 7.

I rolled with a FX-6350 or whatever last time, so may be interesting using intel for the first time.

>>61248561
What's a discord?

I hear it mentioned occasionally but never bothered looking into it, how do I add you?

>>61248626

ah I thought HT was ultimate meme tech myself. Any games really using it?

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>>61248530
>G4560
>1080Ti

>>61248614
i5 cpus are dead, anon. ryzen r5 outperforms them and still has more cores than i7.
also check benchmarks on youtube with cpu usage. you will see i5 getting close to 100% usage, which results in frame drops and stuttering, while i7 and ryzen will have power to spare due to having more threads (and cores in case of ryzen)

>>61248561
I too would like to know how I can get neetbux.

>>61248611
>>61248634
not much choice for ~200. AOC G2460PF is currently $203 on amazon.

Hey anyone explain to my child brain whether a 4k monitor can play shit at 1440p or will it look weird? Would it be better just to do 1080p since it's a linear pixel density adjustment?

And before you ask, I'm not buying a native 1440 monitor because I prefer 4k for doing actual work on the thing.

>>61248541
Read the OP for basic information you pervert
Then come back to us with a specific budget

How important is it to stick to the motherboard's QVL? For ASUS I see 2 motherboards, one for $150 that doesn't have the specific RAM sticks I want to get but I can find them on the $240 board which is a little close to my processor cost (1700X).

>>61248696
>how I can get neetbux.

I don't know, I didn't do it myself, mommy helped me apply, I just had to tell some nice lady on the phone I was a dysfunctional hikikomori autist who'll kill himself if he has to get a job, then go take an IQ test with a psychologist.

>>61248741
>will it look weird?
Yes it will
>Would it be better just to do 1080p since it's a linear pixel density adjustment?
Yes, however that depends a lot on how it's done. For some monitors will do other things than simply displaying the pixel four times so it might end up blurry still

>>61248785
QVL is mostly important for high frequency RAM, if it's not in at worst you risk not being able to boot, but often the RAM will just get downgraded to lower speeds.

>>61248785
if it's not on qvl then it probably won't work at max ram speed, for example 3200mhz memory might work only at 2400mhz.
also why do you need asus mobo? asrock and msi are better picks

>>61246080
>muh gayming
>>>/v/

Good monitors under $200? I only use for WoW and internet.

>>61248741

I thought it would be a setting in game. You can tell your monitor to pretend that it is 1080p

(Sorry dumb question I'm sure, but I've never actually had a desktop, or a non mac for that matter. Forgive me, I was born into a family with a dad who subscribed to mac world).

>>61248530
4k is GPU bound. The more you lower the resolution the more apparent the bottleneck will be.

>>61248552
Yeah, and you were right. Games back then used a single core. The games of today use four minimum when talking more complex titles. A lot won't even run on CPUs with less than four threads any more, which started several years ago with Far Cry 4 and Dragon: Age: Cisquisition in late 2014. Many even use more than four, which is why i5s suffer from such garbage frame times and lows compared to i7s.

>>61248644
It's a chinese botnet chat/voip program that lets you have big group calls for free and have things similar to IRC rooms but with persistent chat history, inline images, emotes, custom voice channels etc. Uses good audio codec.
Make an account and add Vidas#1240

>>61248900
Pls respond.

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Okay, so I am in the US for 2 months, and I wanted to buy a PC cause my laptop is absolute garbage. I was planning on spending 750ish dollars on a PC but whenever I was looking around I saw the whole mining situation with the GPUs being low in stock so I guess I'm fucked in that sense. I don't think I can wait it out since I'm leaving on August 8 so I'm just getting a 1050ti. Here's the build I got. I already ordered the motherboard and CPU so a "get an R5 1600" warning is a little late, but aside from that, is there anything else I should take into consideration?

>>61248934
>>61248621
Yeah is that not the entire purpose of my post?
It's awesome for 4k and it's dirt cheap.
I'm trying to get newegg to do a refund for me right now because I'm just barely outside of the return period.

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WD just cant stop getting btfo

>>61248614
Ryzen typically has better minimums but the i7/i5 processors tend the drive the highest framerates for 1080p. Maybe 5-10% more than Ryzen CPUs. For 60-75Hz it makes no difference. At >1080p it makes no difference.

>>61247774
>using a dual core in 2017

Yea but the Intel processor has an unbeatable price. I doubt R3 will compete with its price.

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>>61248992
No one buys WD turds except for poorfags

>>61248995
That goes against the intel shill (((narrative))) anon

Holy shit please listen to the OP. Do not buy Ryzen for 144hz/high refresh build.
It will not compete with even a 4.9ghz 7600k. Go 7600k for budget 144hz/1080p and 7700k if you can afford it.

t. guy who listens to my friend whine on skype about how his r5/1070 cant hit 144 in anything

>>61248971
Oh, forgot to mention. I'm not really a PC gamer but I'd like to try it out and see if it's a good investment, so I don't mind games not being maxed out.

>>61249036
your friend is a dumbass and so are you

>>61248971
expect the obvious colossal fuck up on the most important part of the build no, the rest is fine.
can't you cancel the order/return the i5?

>>61248900
for 1080p 144hz there's G2460PF. if you don't need 144hz then just pick whatever 24" 1080p monitor with an IPS panel. or get a cheapest 1440p ips like BenQ BL2420PT

>>61248995
only if you oc the shit out of them. ryzen easily beats locked i5/i7.

>>61248995
It's so true. My 1080ti perform identically at 4k with a g4560 as it does at home with my 7700k.
If you want to save money pick a monitor that GPU binds you.

>>61249050
Why? Because Ryzen is a poor choice for 144 fps 1080p?

>>61249036
bait post do not respond

>>61249040
>>61248971
>intel
>good investment
yea no, if you arent gayming change that shit out for a r5 1400

>>61249064
gets better frames than my 4790k at 4.5 ghz and is less of a housefire

>>61249065
It's fine to not believe me. Just go look at whatever source you want to see how badly ryzen does at high refresh.
Great for 60hz though!

>>61249052
That's a good point. If you don't have an aftermarket cooler and don't want to overclock then Ryzen is a way better buy. Especially since you can comfortably overclock Ryzen with the stock HSF.

>>61249052
Thank you :)

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>>61246166
Please think before you post

>>61248971
cancel the order

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Damn. Inferior to a stock 7600k for 144hz.

>>61249052
Is it really that bad? I would but I'm kinda tight on time.
>>61249066
I meant that I wanted to try out PC gaming in general to see if I should invest in it in the future. Still, I understand it might've not been the best choice and I'll try to go for something else if possible.

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Wow, almost 20 FPS lower than a stock 7700k.
I"m sure glad no one in their right mind would buy one of these for high refresh gaming!
That would be retarded.

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>>61249112
>gaymornexus

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>>61249131
>>61249112
hmm i wonder if its just gamersnexus?
i mean they're the best reviewers there are but perhaps intel paid them???

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>>61249150
>>61249131
>>61249112

>>61245860
>here's your motherboard bro

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damn a lot of intel shills here at the moment

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>>61249150
pshh just intel sponsored games
lets try something super easy that all those cores can chomp up!


o wait it sucks here too
>>61249162
Even though that game is an extreme outlier just like cities skylines and civ it's still losing to a 4770k. How weird!!

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>>61249150
>>61249131
>>61249112
(you)

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>>61249181
>its just an outlier

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>>61249181
>>61249150
>>61249112
>implying any of this shilling will help intel loose less marketshare

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hmm what about hitman and doom? those are amd titles right??

surely it will utilize it's FULL power to drive your monitor to 144hz there right???

oh, wait, no, it wont!
good thing you only bought it for a 60hz pc and not a high refresh one!!

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>>61249227
>this c-c-cherrypicked b-b-benchmark will show them

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>>61245860

this is all non-gaymers need to do everything

add another 8 gig stick if you're a heavier user

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>>61249227
>implying everyone buys 144hz monitors

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>>61249244
You mean all 6 benchmarks from 4 different sites?

Don't be like my friend here who got convinced by pajeets in this thread to buy a 1600x for his $1000 1080p 144hz gaming PC!

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>>61249263

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>>61249263

>>61249217

what happen in 2006

>>61249114
Well your GTX 1050ti will bottleneck you anyway but getting an inferior CPU for the same price is still very dumb

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>>61249150
meanwhile in real world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE

Also,
>>61249150
>>61249181
Both of those are lower solely because of Nvidia drivers, kinda retarded you have to pick the two only known games where it does that but thankfully anandtech has the same benchmarks but with AMD cards instead and it doesn't happen. I don't know why would you post these benchmarks knowing that, but hell you probably have no clue what you are talking about anyway.

>>61249380
So you mean to say that if you buy an nvidia card and a 144hz monitor that ryzen would be a horrible choice?
Sounds like we agree! Great!
Now just link me to where I can buy an AMD card for my buddy so he can get full use out of his new computer and sell his 1070.

>>61249380
>watchdogs 2
look at that CPU usage on Ryzen, holy shit it's good
but he needs a better cooler than that stock
intel is way too close to being a CPU bottleneck

>>61249444
This Nvidia problem happens with any 6+ cores CPU and has been there for years. It's only in a very very few specific games right now, only known ones at the moment are ROTR / Rocket League / CIV 6, but it was fixed in ROTR (at the very least for Ryzen) last patch which was released a month ago.
I guess you shouldn't ever buy 6+ cores CPU then huh? Good bye coffee lake, goodbye skylake-X...

>>61249279
Intel scrapped the pentium 4/D netburst architecture which the Athlon 64 was superior to. And then released the Core series.

>>61249471
Why the fuck is there a problem on Nvidia's side regarding 6 core+ CPUs? what did they skimp on this time?

>>61249471
At the moment you certainly shouldn't. A 7600k and a 1070 would be the way the go for 144hz. Unless you can afford a 7700k.

>>61249339
I guess, maybe next year I'll buy a better GPU if they're more reasonably priced. As far as getting the i5 7500 instead of the R5 1600, could you tell me where I will notice the most performance drop?

>>61249496
>A 7600k and a 1070 would be the way the go for 144hz.
Not really, it'll hit a bottleneck pretty fast even if it was at 5 niggahurtz. Only 4 threads really take a toll on you, see >>61249380 's videos
If you can't afford a 7700k for 144hz then the go-to choice is R5 1600 + cooler (overclocked to 3.8 - 3.9GHz) & 3000 / 3200MHz RAM. No bottleneck and not that far from the 7700k

>>61249496
>i5 in 2017
>4c/4t for 200+
Kill yourself shill

>>61249499
You wont, anywhere. You'd barely notice a difference with a g4560.

>>61249499
>could you tell me where I will notice the most performance drop?
CPU intensive games. Battlefield 1, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs 2, a handful others, the videos shown in >>61249380 showcase it pretty nicely.

>>61249521
Weird that all these chips are "close" to bottlenecking our imaginary GPU but they're not actually bottlenecking.
It's okay then, everyone go buy a 1600!
I'll sit here with my 6600k and 30% higher fps than my bff 4 evers 1600.

>>61249548
I have no idea what is your point and what you are saying. But regardless it's clear that you have no intent to discuss things seriously. Go away, stop shitposting and get a life.

>>61246363
>broken transistors
Capacitors actually and they are technically the easiest thing in that fuck up to fix.

I've been using my monitor for 13 years now.

Its 21 inches, I want something bigger, and there is something going on with the colors on the left side that I can't fix.

I don't believe in buying anything half assed, so what are some good sources for in depth information on 4k monitors?

>>61249542
Fair enough, thanks for the input. This is the first time I'm buying my PC by parts so I was kinda concerned I'd make some unwise choices. Apparently I did, but I'll just hope for the best.

>>61249637
Biggest problem is that should you want to upgrade your CPU your choices will be very limited. AM4 much better upgrade path.

>RAM and NAND prices sky-high thanks to smartphones and 3D-NAND
>Midrange GPU prices off the fucking charts thanks to miners
Is now the worst time to build a PC, ever?
I can't remember when things were this bad on so many fronts.

>>61249718
Aren't SSDs up as well? Must be really shit for people who want to build.

>>61249751
>Aren't SSDs up as well?
NAND = NAND Flash Memory
NAND Flash Memory = SSDs

>>61246158
mATX or ITX?

>>61246232
256, you won't regret it. No need to go higher though.

http://www.frys.com/product/9112888?site=cemail070617

Should I buy this for 200$?

Are PCIe SSDs any better than SATA?

>>61250037
Several times faster, yeah. Also several times more expensive.

>>61249996
No, the CPU is really old and absolute trash, you'll regret it every day when it lags at everything even on basic web browsing.

>People actually shilling the i5 when r5 exists
Corelets, when will they learn?

I'm this >>61248541 idiot, I don't really want to build the whole PC the first time if I can get something pre-built that's not that much worse, I'll start opening it and fuck around inside when I need to upgrade it.

How is this edgy looking shit?
How much better could I get for the same price building a PC from parts?
Apparently it can run most games coming out these days, what about something like Arma?

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXiVR8020A2-Desktop-i5-7400-802-11AC/dp/B01NBL8BER/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

>>61250105
But for the pricepoint? Literally what other CPU would you expect to perform better?

I'm using a 1080p 60hz monitor with a 1060 and looking to upgrade. Should I go for an 1080 144hz or 1440 60hz? I know the gpu can keep up with a 1080 better.

>>61250290
some r5 have only 4 cores though. yes they have hyper threading but they still have 4 physical cores just like the i5's. so you're right but you're also really wrong.

just saying.

>>61250105
>even on basic web browsing.
hyperbole much

>>61248451
That is where you are wrong. Majority of cheap windows key on the internet are from window "farms" where windows sell their OEM OS by bulk to new startups and then those get resold to the public. Now shit like allkeysite where you can get them for 5 dollars. Those are the dangerous ones.

>>61248877
>asrock and msi are better picks
>asrock
You mean 4 month EoL board Asrock?

I've always bought all my parts all at once, but i've been considering getting things piecemeal, since GPUs are impossible at the moment.

How does /pcbg/ deal with insects and spiders entering their PCs?

>>61250309
It's not obscenely bad, but even for that pricepoint you can get something low end that's not ancient.

>>61250337
As a poorfag running on a cheap Sandy Bridge CPU just like this one, I can very much assure you that's not hyperbole.

Sure, Wikipedia will be snappy, but GMail and especially Outlook take forever to load, 4chan X on big threads slows down to a crawl, and any kind of modern website is just going to be slow.

anyone else deeply regret ever seeing a 144hz monitor?
I ended up having to buy insane ram and cooling to OC my cpu to be able to do it but I can't do 60hz anymore it looks like a fucking slide show
don't do 144hz, not even once kids. go 4k

Which brands of B350 mobos are /g/ approved?

>>61250470
I don't regret it. 120Hz and above is beautiful.

>>61250535
But now I'm stuck with 4 cores because I need the clock speed and 4000mhz ram. None of my games will hit 144hz with out it because they weren't originally designed to.

>>61250569
So move down to 120Hz. Are you on a Ryzen?

>>61250653
No but I want one pretty badly. Worried about the drop in single thread performance tanking fps in the game engines that prefer it. I know it'll be fine in multithreaded games but those games almost never hit 120+ no matter what cpu you run them on.

I stream for a living so it would be really nice to be able to get my second pc off my table and just do everything on one ryzen 8 core but I'm not willing to give up the high refresh. No gsync

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Im having trouble getting this ram to fit. Is the ab350m pro4 and gskill aegis ddr4 16gb not compatible? Im fucking sweating at this, i thought this would be the easiest part of pc building

>>61250307
it's not necessarily bad, the problem with prebuilts is that they usually cheap out on the power supply (notice how it's not even mentioned) and motherboard which can lead to problems later on.
you're much better off picking parts yourself using pcpartpicker and then having someone who specializes in stuff like this to assemble them for you. (idk about US prices but i know of a guy who charges the equivalent of $20 to assemble everything here.)
lurk more -- especially considering that you need to wait until GPU prices drop due to cryptocurrency mining -- and post build for judgment when you're confident it's ready.
godspeed, anonymous.

I'm putting together the cheapest server i possibly can right now. I'm looking at an Atx dual xeon mb but it has no sata ports.
Should I try to get a sata pci card? I'm not sure if the drivers are going to work out under linux but I need sata.
Alternatively I could get an ide-sata adapter but an extra one for each new drive doesn't sound nice.

Tl;dr: if a pci sata card doesn't state linux compatability, should I still try?

>>61250678
>I stream for a living
Must be rough living off of Mr Noodles and Kraft dinner everyday

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>>61250763
>>61250787

>>61250763
post better pic & post ram pls

>>61250787
I think i may have fucked myself. I bought the ddr4-3000 but its the 2400 thats on the list for the asrock ab350m. Im not sure where i got 3000 from but ive been walking around with that number in mind when i picked it up this afternoon. Can someone double check if i cant use this before i try to return it?

>can afford i7700k
>want maximum gay man performance
>want to get a 144hz 1440p monitor
>don't want to buy a 4 core CPU
Do I bite the bullet and get R7 1700? Do I wait for Coffee Lake? When is CL, anyway?

>>61251027
FFS... yes you can use it. Worst case it will run at 2400 or 2133.

>>61250426
>but even for that pricepoint you can get something low end that's not ancient.
feel free to not name any

>>61251041
I guess what I'm asking is - is the FPS difference really minimal between i7 and 1700? I'm not going to delid or watercool i7.

>>61251127
http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-versus-amd-ryzen-1700x-14-game-cpu-showdown_192508

Read some reviews and decide for yourself

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>>61250939
Here. Im still messing with it but it isnt slotting in enough to get the clips on, unless thats as far in as it needs

>>61251178
RAM is supposed to go down till you hear a click and the clips latch on

>>61251142
>legitreviews
Seems legit! Anyway, thanks.

>>61251202
I mean if they can provide their test builds and methodology, I would assume they are legit. Feel free to google your own benchmarks and make a decision. This just happens to be the first thing that pops up when I typed "7700k vs 1700 game benchmark"

>>61251201
Yeah, i read the manual. The problem
is thats exactly whats its not doing. Im feeling like a fucking fool stumbling over this.

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Okay, so I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but I don't want to start another thread. I'm building a PC and I want to postpone buying a monitor. I have an old Samsung SyncMaster, but the storage conditions were... not perfect. I've removed the back plate and the tin-like structure underneath (what's that, anyway, EM shielding, heatsink?) and it's covered in grime. I can try vacuum cleaning it, but I've just realized I have really no idea about CRT monitors. Is this even safe?

Sorry for gore.

>>61251265
don't touch it
you WILL get an electric shock

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>>61251272
It's been turned out for literally 7 or so years, you think those capacitors still hold a charge?

How to clean it safely without destroying it or getting a shock? It's covered in grime and dust.

>>61245860
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mGKZyf
i play overwatch and i own a minecraft server

>>61251294
>minecraft
You must be 18 to post on this website

>>61251294
overwatch is maximum priority though

>>61251178
you need to RAM it in there, dude
If you push hard enough the clips will clip themselves

>>61251306
dont bully me :( pls just fix my shit build thankq

>>61251201
>>>61251178
>RAM is supposed to go down till you hear a click and the clips latch on

So is Madonna.
Look carefully at the slot!
See it has a bottom?
That bottom is where the chips sit, and the latches close on the DIMM when it has reached the bottom. Clicks/fucks not give.

Push down, until you feel it hit the bottom of the slot, and then see of the clips go on. If they dont, push harder. If they do, lock and load.

Fuck all the rest of the NeWfAgS in the AsS

http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4/index.asp#Specification

I have this mobo, but no idea what the mumbo jumbo is on the memory slot crap mentioned on there.

Was just planning on buying the 32gb 3200 Quad kit that is on the QVL list, but wondering if I'm missing something and shooting myself in the leg by doing 3200 period and/or using a quad kit. I'm not above using 2666, but alot of the 3200 kits are about the same price as the 2666's.

Hell I'm actually worried now everything will go down to 2400 regardless.

>>61251306
Hey man minecraft is pretty fun. You will never know the joys of playing with friends on a private server. It's chill as fuck.

>>61251323
I installed dozens of RAM. I never once had a mobo whose clips never clipped when you bottomed out.

>>61251333
this, minecraft is actually pretty fun if you
're bored.

>>61251333
Ah private server. I thought you hosted one of those normie underage servers that use pay=win. Well i guess that sorta justifies it.

What's the nvidia equivalent to the rx570? Post said rx570 for 60hz monitor, but I have an Intel processor. Wpuldnt it better for me to have a intel chipset gpu?

>>61251332
Don't buy AssCock.

>>61251359
1050ti < 570 < 1060

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>>61251306
i like this build but idk how i would fix. i play overwatch too

>>61251376
Well i guess thats an okay one, but youre gonna need to tell me a budget so i know what im working with

>>61249180
That's what happens when they're loosing market share on all fronts.

>>61251293
Aerosol dusters are ideal for this sort of thing. Perform the procedure outdoors and do not breathe the dust.
A capacitor is unlikely to retain charge over 7 years but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

>>61251178
First, pull the DIMM out and see if there's anything in the slot, maybe hit it with an aerosol duster. Then, reinsert. If you can't get it all the way in, try pushing the clips into the notches on the DIMM. If that works, you're done. If you can't, you'll need to insert more. It also helps to "rock" the DIMM into place, push one end harder, then push the other end harder, while maintaining about the same amount of total force.
Also consider placing a hard rubber object between the bottom side of the board and the mobo tray to avoid board crackage.

*this post brought to you by DustOff

>>61246232
Go for quality

>>61251388
budget is $1500 best performance possible overwatch. being quiet is nice too

>>61251390
well i like intel, but people have to realize that amd will have the upper hand for at least a couple years, as most people aren't autistically looking for a 10 fps increase in muh games

>>61246232
Get a 256 and partition it. Have your os on one partition and programs/games on the other.

>>61251420
Good. Then maybe Ryzen can make enough money to bail the incompetent Raja out. Ryzen won because Intel internationally sandbag themselves. Nvidia doesn't as shown by Pascel2.0 which wasn't even on the original roadmap

Do gtx 500 series still get driver updates?

>>61251438
I really want to switch from a 1050ti to a 480/580, cause i just got a ryzen 5 3 weeks ago, but fucking miners ruined my chances

>>61251463
Wait for Vega :^)

>>61251471
at this point I'll probably just end up getting a 1070 or 1080ti, as I never really liked amd gpu's

>>61251486
Why not? They keep you comfortable during the winter. I remember how warm my room was when I had my 290x

>>61251418
What kind of monitor are you using? If not a resolution too high i could put money into more things

>>61251438
>Pascal 2.0
What?

>>61251510
kek that's not my problem, i used to have a 290x as well, but I used intel for a long timne until a year ago, then I satrted to like nvidia more

>>61251530
Pascal 2.0 massively improved the architecture Nvidia had but originally it was supposed to be a normal refresh.

>>61245860
I'm making Ryzen build in a Define R5, how many case fans should I be using if I want to keep it quiet? I'm thinking 2 in the front, 1 on the bottom, and the 1 exhaust in the back. Would that be adequate?
And what fans should I be using if I don't want to spend a ton of money?

>>61251567
>Want it to be quiet
>Add more fans
Nani?

>>61251567
>Would that be adequate?
No, too much intake. Either do that and add an exhaust at the top near the back exhaust or either drop the bottom fan.
The Define already include 1x140mm at the front and 1x140mm at the back by the way.

>>61251588
1 intake and 1 exhaust wouldn't move a ton of air, and it would have a negative air pressure. I want to be able to overclock a little and I want as little dust in my case as possible. The noise tradeoff seems worth it.

>>61251589
Okay. I'll use the two included for front intake because matchy-matchy autism. Any recommendation for the exhaust, or does it even matter enough to worry about?

Is a AORUS 1080 XTREME edition worth $530?

>>61251680
AORUS is niggabyte right?
Go for MSI or Asus if you can afford to.

>>61251655
>Any recommendation for the exhaust, or does it even matter enough to worry about?
Just get a $10 140mm fan from any brand, it's mostly the same shit

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Cop a GTX 1060 or wait for new GPU's? If I wait for GPU's what are the expected launch dates?

>>61251736
Vega 3 weeks. Realistically early Sep/Late Aug. Volta Q1 2018

>>61251400
I see. I read some stuff online and realized I really shouldn't be working on that thing alone and without thick rubber gloves, 7 years or not. I put the cover back on for now. Thanks for warning me.

>>61251515
Asus MG279Q

Any suggestions to help with gpu sag?

>>61251862
Either buy a brace/support or ghetto the fuck out of it like I did with a piece of pencil.

why is cpubenchmark bad?
is there an alternative?

>tfw ordered my GTX1070 in June and expected shipment date was today and it has been delayed.

Give it to me straight boys, does Amazon LLC decide to sell your fucking orders after they shoot up double in price?

How important is G-Sync/Freesync to consider when choosing a monitor? I don't even know if I'm going to buy Vega or wait for Volta.

>>61251897
Contact their support and complain. They will normally give you some freebies for the delay.

>>61251400
>>61251323
Yeah, ill give it a go again. Im getting alot of deserved shit on such a stupid question. Im just afraid of pulling too much elbow grease into plastic parts on a first time custom pc

>>61251920
Not very unless you are going above 60hz

>>61251885
No.

Windows 10 home
Processor intel core i3 4160
Graphics intel HD Graphics
Hard drive 500gb
Memory 4gb DDR3
Optical drive DVD SUPER MULTI
Cart reader10/100/1000
Bluetooth
with mouse en keyboard
it was bought for 400€

how much would you spend on this second hand?

>>61251938
I am, I want to buy a 144Hz monitor.

>>61251924
I'm just worried that whoevers in the warehouse realized how much it is now and someone fucking took it.

All I wanna know is if anyone's been in this situation? Specifically sold by Amazon LLC

>>61252003
Yeah then get Kikesync if you can afford to. Freesync is as the name implies Free.

>>61248153
This is an anime website fag.
Go back.

https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIA1ZZ3874224

Mobile deal from newegg for a gaming mouse, 80 dollars off. Is it any good?

>>61252006
They might. They might not. But once you ordered an item Amazon will uphold the end of the deal which is to deliver to you the product. The only thing you can do is complain about the delay. They won't cancel your order.

>>61252053
>Ricer as fuck
>Gaymen
>Those edges
Fuck no

>>61248339
4x4GB rams will work more efficient and go for a cheaper PSU

>>61251999
$200 max, not even considering Ryzen 3 to be coming out

>>61252082
No it wont. 8x2 is much faster. Dont spew random bullshit without sauce anon

>>61252043
Well I was eyeing a relatively cheap AOC VA monitor, but it had neither.

>>61252184
Alright here is the analogy I always use when I describe Kikesync and Freesync to people when they ask if they need it or not.

Kike/Freesync is not necessary just like mechanical keyboards are not necessary. You won't know what you are missing out on but once you get it, you can never go back.

>>61252155
yes it is 2x8 is event faster because it can split task over mutiple ram

>>61252069
True, but it seems like all of then are like that. Is having a "good" mouse important? They seem more like vanity pieces than actual functioning differences.

>>61252308
Yes. A bad mouse that doesn't play nice with your preferred grip or your arm can cause RSIs after a few years, if not a few weeks.
t.Evoluent VerticalMouse 4 ended my arm numbness

>>61250421
Friendly bump.

What is the recommended HDD nowadays? I was thinking WD Blue as I'm pretty sure I've seen that name around.

>>61250421
>>61252378
Idk it doesn't happen.

>>61252308
Get one with a good sensor and good ergonomics.
Get this one. http://gaming.logitech.com/en-roeu/product/pro-gaming-mouse.
Simple. Good sensor. Not too much bling but it is still there if you want it. Ambidextrous if you are a lefty or use your other hand when your primary mouse hand is busy.

Give me one reason why I should buy a ryzen processor over the superior Intel ones.
The only reason to buy ryzen is if you're too poor to afford a quality processor. Intel runs faster and is more optimized for everything. So what if it gets hot there are solutions to that. There is no reason to buy ryzen

>>61252396
Forgot to mention that I live in the barrio surrounded by nature. I just so happen to see webs inside the case.

>>61252418
Compressed Air and a brush. Like all dust. Then put filters on your PC openings or a mosquito net.

Geforce 970 GTX 4GB for 225$ ?

>>61252308
>>61252399
If you want one a little bit bigger and more ergonomic then the g403 is also great.

Holy fuck I'm retarded. If I swap out my 770 for a 1080, will that 1080 work with my mobo? Keep in mind, I bought both my 770 and mobo at the same time, 5 years ago.

>>61252445
Fuck no considering the 1060 beats it and is going for 250.

>>61252445
>3.5

>>61252402

You can photoshop stuff with 900+ layers

>>61252449
Shouldn't be an issue.

>>61252380
If you don't want to spend a lot that's probably your best bet.

Supposedly Seagate has been getting better recently, but I'm not sure I'd trust that.

>>61252498
Guess I'll be getting this then. I just need a replacement drive before my current one dies. Thank you.

>>61252441
Old panty hose good? I should have worded it properly. I was thinking more on the prevention of insects and arachnids from entering my PC.

>>61252532
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-120mm-Magnetic-Filter-AC-002-ON1NAN-A1/dp/B00KHO0I38

Magnetic filters aren't expensive anon

>>61250360
>>61248364
t. kinguin staff members

>>61246158
nice blog faggot
got a Z270 board you retard

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I have some decent speakers I want to hook up to my PC but they're not powered and require an amp. Do I just need to connect them to an amp and then connect that amp to the PC speaker jack? Or is there a more ideal option?

Best gpu/cpu for 1080p 60fps that will stay for the future?

>>61252957
1080ti.kek

>>61252957
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 with an AMD RX570/580 4GB/8GB

Does anyone have a guide to installing Windows 7 on a Ryzen computer?

>>61253062
I guess I should wait for the price to drop then. And that will get the job done for several years to come? Do you think I could build a PC like that for $1000 or less?

>>61252904
It would work but you could use a separate DAC instead of plugging into the motherboard's integrated sound card if you want better sound.

>>61253108
you install it like you normally would. Once it's installed you need to download a third party mod that unblocks the windows updates. It's not just Ryzen that does this, but Kaby lake. The fault for this isnn't on AMD or Intel, but Microsoft. They want everyone on the botnet.

>>61253134
an RX 580 should last a few years, 3 or 4. I'd wait for Vega though since you have to wait anyways. Vega releases in like 3 weeks.
>but nvidia...
Nvidia gimps their drivers so you have to replace your GPU every 2 years.

>>61249251
>120GB ssd
Spend the additional $15 and get 240GB.
>8GB memory
Even for web browsing, 8GB is slowly becoming insufficient. Especially if they don't know how to manage tabs or have anything else open.

Everything else is fine.

>>61253170
And the CPU will last a long time too? I might try to buy a 580 on Prime Day assuming that has any good sales.

>>61253201
The 1600 is good for years to come. games are STARTING to become more dependent on more cores and more threads. Examples include GTA5, Cities Skylines and Ashes of the Singularity. But most games at the moment are optimized for 4 cores and 8 threads. The Ryzen 5 1600 is the cheapest good CPU you can get with 6 cores and 12 threads.

>>61253231
Games already spread the load beyond 8 threads, it's just that not a lot of one become a bottleneck at 4 threads but games have been spreading the load on 8 threads & beyond for a while now.

>>61253231
Cool. Man I am ready to build a PC the only thing is the inflated gpu prices. How the fuck did they allow this to happen?

>>61253149
Is that all?
I heard that there were problems with drivers so you can't use a USB keyboard to set up the installation, among other things.

>>61253272
Drivers to USB drive:
https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port
Or Asus's EZInstaller
https://www.asus.com/support/Download/3/480/0/60/30/

>>61253291
>>61253291
no need to go in there now but creating early still in case that guy comes back and decides to sperg out about specific lines & removing them

>>61253149
>>61253277
Thanks for the help.

>>61253256
>How the fuck did they allow this to happen?
They didn't. The market changed. the exchange rates for crypto-currencies like Ethereum went up. Ethereum is resistant to mining via the mining-designed ASICS cards, so they have to use gamer-spec GPUs. So all the miners started buying up Gaming GPUs 10/20 at a time in bulk for their mining rigs.

>>61253256
RAM prices are going to inflate soon. Better hop on that shit soon.

>>61253135
Any good brands?

>>61251434
Is there a benefit outside of organization for this?