Micron Fab Incident Disrupts DRAM Supply

Every time I want to upgrade theirs a fucking problem. HDDs, DRAM, and miners.

>I fucking did not notice this morning aout this!
Learn better English grammer, Pajeet
>also thank God i bought my system parts in May before Memethereum mining hit 1070 prices

>>61242042
Hello high SSD prices. Fucking hell I was looking forward to cheap 1TB SSDs in two years at 1TB HDD prices, looks like it's another 5 years of waiting.

Fuck this market
No am4 mitx mainboard
Gpus gobbled up by autistic shills
Vega doa
Ssds forever price inflated for fake reason
And now This

>>61242078

Literally criticizing me over one weirdly worded sentence which is still valid grammatically in English and being able to still screw up quoting me. Wow...

On the other hand, I can't even remember within the last decade or anytime in computing history ever if there was a worst time to actually buy a computer than now.

>>61242042
Maybe, just maybe, they will stop manufacturing this shit in Taiwan

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>>61242042
Just get DDR3 ECC while it's cheap.

>>61242108
At this rate buying pre-builts with their crappy OEM motherboards and OEM power supplies is starting to look pretty tempting.

>>61242113
Find a murrican state that makes it easy to start up a fabber without stupid costs. I can't think of any.

>>61242042
>RAM already through the roof because of DRAM fab companies forming secret monopolies
>"oh no there was an accident at one of our facilities. It looks like RAM will have to go up in price again, goy!"

Mass migration of all computer manufacturing plants to the US when? (probably never)

>>61242042
are they the only one making this shit?

>>61242187

No but they are practically a cartel/oligopoly like HDDs and CPUs. Literally only 5 companies were making it when they got sued by the DOJ for price-fixing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing

And since then, one company got acquired and one bankruptcy. Only Micron, Hynix and Samsung left.

>>61242244
>Texas Instruments doesn't make DRAM anymore
20 years ago and it still hurts

Always buy the dip.

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>>61242042
It's a good thing I maxed out my RAM and bought a 525GB MX300 seven months ago. Such shit will hurt otherwise.

>>61242168
I'll go into business with you if you want.

For the love of god. Seriously? Guess I better buy my shit now then. I'm planning on making a Ryzen build. Would 16GB of DDR4-2666 be a safe enough purchase and fast enough for Ryzen?

>>61242324
Alright anon, what state should we put it in?
I suggest Arizona or Nevada in a desert like elon meme man did with his battery factory for cheap land and less regulations

>>61242354
Nevada sounds good, I'm sure we can hire goons and other types of illegal shit to help us accrue funds while also warding off the DRAM mafia that is guaranteed to try and stop us. Where do I send my capital and when can I expect a ROI?

>>61242367
We send a secret request to the government of China to send us funds to build the factory and have them send over Chinese workers to "Start the invasion" or some shit but all the workers will die in an "accident' after the first month then we can just replace them all with robots

>>61242375
kek

>>61242346

You don't really need anything above DDR4-2133/2400. Ryzen gets more out of higher DRAM speeds due to Infinity fabric being tied to DRAM speeds but the old adage about RAM speed price difference could be pocketed or spent elsewhere to greater effect. You could also overclock a good set of DDR4-2133/2400 to that speed or higher.

But it is your money.

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>>61242394
Aside from ryzen is 2017 the blunder of the century?

>>61242430
Maybe I'll just do that then. Are there any ram brands I should be avoiding? This Patriot brand has ram priced at numbers I'm liking, and I do remember being told that it's alright to cheap out on ram if you have to, but do you know if they make quality products? Should I just stick with Corsair/G.Skill?

This is why we need a communist system.

>>61242133
There are more than 2 countries

>>61242466

Ever since OCZ got out of the business, RAM has been fine and will work without any issues other than motherboard compatibility with AM4 boards which can still be an issue. GSkill and Corsair are safe brands to go with.

>>61242455
Each day gets worse than the day before.

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bought a 1600 with 16gb os 3000mhz ram and a 1070 before prices went apeshit
now to sit back and laugh at anyone trying to build a rig in this climate

>OH GOD RYZEN AND INTEL ARE SELLING TRUCKLOAD OF CHIPS THIS YEAR HIKE THE DRAM PRICES FUCKING NOW NOWWWWWWWWW

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>>61242529
>Put it off for too long
"Good things come to those who wait" is seriously the worst fucking advice I have ever heard of. Nothing good has ever come from putting something off.

I'm still on 16gb of ddr3 I'm good

>>61242488
That's great to know. Thank you anon.

>>61242430
>You don't really need anything above DDR4-2133/2400.
With the prices being as they are, there's really no fucking reason not to get at least 2666 and preferably 3000, especially if you're getting Ryzen. Ryzen takes a significant performance hit for RAM that's clocked below 2666.

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ITT: Waitfags BTFO

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>amd is now power efficient and intel sells 500w housefires
>16gb hbm2 300w card performs same as 1080
>480/580 for 500 dollars
>1070s for 700 dollars
>ram prices skyhigh and about to get higher
what fucking timeline did i step into

>>61242590

It really comes down to if you want to pay for XMP to 2666/3000 or if you want to overclock your way to those speeds.

The latter requires some research and willingness to put in the time. And especially with the price increases incoming, it may be worth more in the future to just overclock vs paying more.

>>61242616
Watch as HDD prices will skyrocket again too.

>>61242616
I think the goy are beyond all of this.

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I wonder who is behind this.

Fuck. I was going to finally upgrade from i5-2500k.

Guess I'll wait for 2nd gen vr goggles.

>>61242094
I'm not a scientist or anything but I don't think a DRAM supply issue should affect NAND storage.

>>61242868
Don't forget we're on /g/. Memory is memory.

This is insane. Even the budget PC I built for $400 less than 2 months ago is now a $600 rig.

>>61242602
I'm still salty over the fagcoin miners. Everything besides the gpu is the absolute most premium PC components I've ever bought in my life, but thanks to those faggots exhausting global fucking supply I had to settle on a 1050Ti. Doesn't help that Ryzen was the only thing AMD did right and Vega is a disaster. RIP, freesync monitors.

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Mfw I purchased 64GB DDR4 when it was like half the price as it is now xd

>Starting to hit some serious walls with my 4GBs of ram
>k, let's buy some ram
>Prices are retarded
>k, let's go to /g/ and ask if they know if the prices are likely to go down anytime soon
>See this thread
Goddammit.

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I don't buy that anything actually happened at the foundry. They've been pulling this shit for as long as I can remember. HDD factories, NAND, DRAM, etc there always seems to be some excuse to further raise the prices.
The whole situation is fucked. DRAM is a very important commodity, every american owns some in one form or another yet these companies consistently get away with this shit.

Friendly reminder that fast RAM makes it much easier to hit 144hz in engines that weren't built wit that in mind.
t. 3600 cl16

>>61242959
$1500 used to get you the absolute bleeding edge top of the line everything, but now it barely gets you into upper-mid range.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNLVWDkx2NY

>>61243169
>$1500 used to get you the absolute bleeding edge top of the line everything, but now it barely gets you into upper-mid range.
When has Intel's flagship CPU ever been significantly less than $1k?

>>61243247
Fifteen years ago

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>>61243252
Seems like it would be more about 11 years ago.

>>61243247
>>61243252
>>61243323

It may have been a little longer than I thought since the last time I built a pc.

>>61243252
http://processortimeline.info/proc2002.htm
Looks like you're right, discounting Itaniums, top of the line consumer-oriented CPU was $637. Just over $850 in today's money.

>>61243135
>not just buying some RAM now
Is waiting weeks to save $20 really worthwhile?

>>61243384
It's not expected to come down for years.

>>61243401
It was supposed to come down before the end of this year.

>>61243401
Exactly. Just buy and stop worrying about minuscule changes.

It's only a big deal for people buying hundreds of GB of RAM.

>>61243423
I disagree about the big deal part. It is a big deal man. It's directly increasing the amount people are spending on their new PCs during the first period where it's worth upgrading since sandy.
Not only that but it's taking place next to an SSD price fixing thing.
During a time where nvidia has had no competition for a long time which was followed by a mining craze.
All taking place when AMD is finally giving the desktop CPU market some life. It sucks.

>>61243420
>end of this year
Not anymore. ;^)

>>61243247
Maybe 5-10 years ago but Moore's law tapping out made sure prices would not come down.

I think once zen2 goes mainstream and we get apu/soc prices will come down finally.

Blame Intel and Nvidia for keeping prices up.

500usd used to get a top of the line GPU and same for a high end CPU

Now it's barely mid range

>>61243470
I won't disagree that the graphics card market is fucked right now but that's all I tell you.

Ram and SSDs are overpriced because of collusion, these a "accidents" are just excuses.

They have done this before.

>>61243654
The GTX 1080 is disgusting when you really look at it. It's performance relative to the generation before it and the competitor warrants a high price, yes but look at the actual silicon.
It's a midrange card through and through. Tiny chip, gddr5x. They even sell the slightly cut down one so you know silicon utilization is great.
Yet they put it on market at $600.
$600 for that tiny ass chip, vega is bigger.
As the processes get better you get more chips per wafer yet they increase price.

(((incident)))

>>61242042
Oh no! Those poor DRAM manufacturers always have the worst luck...

RAM was the only thing I was in need for with my computer. Guess I might as well just eat all the components.

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>>61242042

ok im buying up all the RAM on all the website to resell for profit

pray for me

>>61242455
We shall wait《tm》 for VEGA~

>>61243850
Well, fab incidents happen relatively often. You probably just don't hear about most other incidents.

>>61244076
thank mr.scalper

You are all idiots 4 years ago there was a glut which led to massive losses. Manufacturers were selling below cost leading to low investment. The main problem is that every retard today wants his smartphone to have 4gb of RAM causing a shortage. It will short itself out as the higher prices encourage an increase in supply. Learn some economics

>>61242042
Wow! I just stuck 32G of Micron RAM in my machine yesterday.

>>61242042
Don't sell if the prices are going to be inflated the stocks will rise...

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>>61242042
Just how much fucking longer do I need to wait before components actually go back down in price? Maybe I'll actually have to wait until Navi in 2019 before I even consider building a PC.

>>61244697
$10/G? why do you want $15/G? can't afford $20/G? $25/G is cheap enough, anon.

>unironically having to Just Wait™

>>61242529
>>61242548
>wait for black friday they said
im fucked

>>61242346
I bought my ram now ahead of time just in case the price fucking skyrockets due to these DRAM merchants

>>61242042
>look at ram that I paid 80 euro for 1 year ago
>it's ~150 euro now

DDR4 16GB 2666Mhz by the way. Fucking insane. If one incident can disrupt your supply this much maybe they should consider building more factories. Oh wait this is all bullshit and they're just price gauging.

>>61242094
I don't think this affects 3d nand

>>61245031
Samsung, Hynix and Micron have a literal cartel at this point.

>>61244242
>Manufacturers were selling below cost leading to low investment.
And for years now they price has been through the roof, with little investment in fabs.

> It will short itself out as the higher prices encourage an increase in supply.
It hasn't for these years. Now another convenient excuse to hike the prices.

There isn't a real shortage, just a low supply leading to higher prices(which everyone has to pay anyways, because we need ram.) You can still easily get a hold of some ram, it's just expensive.

Now this "low supply" doesn't mean they are selling any less, just that they get massive profits. We only have 3 relevant manufacturers and they have all been found guilty of collusion before. Do you seriously trust them? Are you paid by them?

For example of a real shortage, look at GPUs. You can't even get one most of the time, prices are double, but most of the profits end up at re-sellers and scalpers, and the manufacturers are hard at work trying to remedy the situation.

>>61242123
People are already getting prebuilts just because there's no other way to get an RX580.

>>61243154
Yeah, the HDD manufacturing plant flooding a few years ago was clearly a hoax perpetuated by the chinks.

>>61242101
Gigabyte just released a potentially non-shit mini-itx board, have fun getting your hands on one for the first few weeks though.

UPDATE:

Following queries by Taiwan's DigiTimes, Micron has clarified that: "there was no nitrogen leaking incident nor evacuation of personnel. A minor event did occurred at the facility, but operations are recovering speedily without material impact to the business." It adds that if any impact is felt it will be upon LPDDR4 DRAM customers such as Apple.

>>61245809
>plz stock market don't destroy us
>we dindu nuffin

>>61242042
That's okay, the 8 GB of DDR2 in my current machine I built in 2009 should be good enough, it's not like I need to upgrade anyways even though my processor is as dated today as a late Pentium II/early Pentium III would have been when I built my current computer.

>>61242101
>Ssds forever price inflated for fake reason
What the fuck happened to SSD prices anyhow? I finally got around to buying one 2 years ago after watching the prices drop every year, but on looking again this year they have since increased in price slightly.

>>61242133
Mexico?

>>61243154
>CR 2T

>>61243169
Youngfag detected. Bleeding edge top of the line everything used to cost 5k at least in the pentium days.

>>61245809

That literal denial and damage control. It's still going to raise RAM prices because now smartphones will dig into PC DRAM supplies more when they have already been doing so for the past year.

It's literally better to just buy a preassembled PC at this point. Even with inferior PSUs or motherboards, you get s warranty to fix any shit component that may crap out on you. I wouldn't recommend anyone to build their own till these prices on hardware come down.

>>61246134
>he thinks SSD prices are bad now

If the chinks finally knock out Toshiba say hello to insane 1.5x current prices, WD is already acting like they own Toshiba semicon so it won't be long before the big four tie up a fucking sweet deal

Grab that eMLC or cMLC while it's still within reach

>>61247381
Well they own 50% of it.

>>61242868
It doesn't matter, it'll be used as an excuse for price fixing.

>>61245809
>ehehehe we'll tell them there was a "gas leak" at the plant, and then we'll raise our prices even more!

>NO WAIT DON'T SELL OUR STOCK
>IT WASN'T A GAS LEAK IT ISN'T A REAL PROBLEM COME BACK

These fucking kikes need ANOTHER price fixing fine.