X299 vrm disaster - 500w edition

i foreshadow those pins can't handle the heat.

>>61239459
http://www.overclock.net/t/1633285/yt-the-x299-vrm-disaster-en/220#post_26201375

>Considering the power consumption of an overclocked 7900X, the VRM issues shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
>
>Hardware.fr recorded following VRIn powers on a 7900X, during Prime95 (28.10):
>
>4.0GHz = 158.0W
>4.1GHz = 177.6W
>4.3GHz = 212.4W
>4.4GHz = 240.1W
>4.5GHz = 265.2W
>4.6GHz = 308.4W
>4.7GHz = 362.8W
>
>At 4.3GHz even the most efficient VRMs will be dissipating < 32W of power and at 4.7GHz > 54W.
>There is no way you can dissipate such amount of heat with the standard sized VRM heatsink, without a serious direct airflow to it.
>Beyond 300W you don't want to use a single EPS12V connector either.

>>61239537
As Der8bauer stated, you get micro throttling that even cpuz cant record, you need like hwinfo to show throttling flags.
Its incredible how much this arch is flawed. Performance isnt that much better than BW-E, and you have over the roof power vs BW-E, that was crap but at least was much better on thermals and consumption.

Intel deliberately raised the frequencies, removed solder and partner made shitty heatsinks, and the "solution" was to cap current on bios. What a joke

>>61239459
X299 is the gift that keeps on giving.

muh single threaded racecar

>>61239459
So you can't overclock it without catching for.

This supports my theory that Intel wants to stop all overclocking.
They are using bad TIM and HIS tolerances on purpose to discourage overclocking.
My guess is Intel wants to better separate their lineup this way.
So people can't take an i5 and OC to i7 performance.
Or their 2core CPUs.

>>61239882
SkylakeX is also much harder to de-lid
I presume Intel did this on purpose as well.

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>>61239608
>>61239882
>>61239924
lol

oh boy, how things have changed

>>61239874
if i were amd, i would develop a single core, two threads cpu with a 6GHz or more, with the only purpose of gaymen

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>>61239459
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>>61239459
>500W
HOLY FUCK

>>61240124
1. You fucked up your text
2. It's Megatasking. Get it right next time or you won't get your shekels.

>>61239459
>just stop overclocking and problem is fixed

XDD

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>>61239459
>500W
literally a small electric heater

>>61240157
You're not funny.

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>>61240210

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>>61239459
>500 watts

>>61240219
You're not funny.

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>>61240242

>>61240173
i wish i had a sheckel

>>61240257
You're not funny.

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>>61240277

>>61240278
You're not funny.

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>>61240288

>>61240157
>>61240219
>>61240257
>>61240278
>>61240296

Hey man, thank you for your posts, I had a good laugh and you have made my day.

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>>61240301

He's just shilling for AMD, don't believe him

i9 on 4x8pin pcie pcbs when?

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>>61240335

>>61240349
probably on the flag ship.

we still havent seen the power drain on that baby and its definitely going to be over 500W.

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INTEL USERS ON HOUSE FIRE WATCH

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>mfw i9 is actually competing against Vega instead of Threadripper

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>>61239996
Marketing for shekels vs. the actually engineered product.
Hilariously, all of those mentioned features reflect throttling capabilities which are the antithesis of overclocking.

>>61239924
>>61239882
Internally, this is what is occurring at a lot of tech companies. They just don't tell enthusiasts because they bring in extra shekels. The automotive industry with through its 3rd party ricer stage some years ago. Eventually, manufacturers integrated aspects of prominent 3rd party groups, attached premiums, and engineered their products so that it was next to impossible to go mod crazy with them.

>>61239608
Every fanboy eventually learns their lesson from jumping onto new hardware platforms before they are proofed out. The tech industry began using consumers as beta testers some time ago. There's a million and one retards talking about L2 latency figures as if they have a PHD in comp arch., exotic $800 water-cooled setups, and a whole Eco-system of goofy ass youtube video celeberities to keep the hysteria going. Marketing groups see $$ signs and they go after the idiots asking them to take their monies.

>>61239537
What these figures show is the obvious physical limits of 14nm
http://i.imgur.com/mMBmP2A.png
TL;DR : Stop fucking overclocking high core count CPUs you dumb shits. 14nm limits clock rates. What extra kind of dumbass dam near doubles power consumption to get 700 more MHz out of a CPU? The most they're doing is playing vidya and watching porn. Do you see enterprise companies doing this who make billions of dollars off of compute resources? NO. HEDT cpus are enterprise grade processors. They aren't meant to be overclocked. It will already take enough to cool them if you actually start pushing the CPU. Moar cores = less clocks. It's time for enthusiasts to grow the fuck up just like the car ricers of the 90s. You can't rice away physics but you dam sure can burn down your house and double your power bill trying.

>>61240422
Nah, Vega actually drops down to under 280W, i9's are self-perpetuating

>>61240296
>>61240309
You're not funny.

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>>61240450

>>61240456
You're not funny.

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>>61240493

>>61240542
You're not funny.

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>>61240564

>>61240580
You're not funny.

he german right

>>61240365
I forgot Intel still hasn't released the 18 core i9.
Will it come free with a 300W peltier?

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>>61240597

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>>61240200
Clearly, enthusiasts capable of dropping $1,000s of dollars on exotically cooled overclocking rigs never heard of the physical limitations of 14nm chips. Clearly they also are incapable of understanding basics math w.r.t to asymptotic equations. Take the power figures and plot it on a graph and you see obvious asymptotic behavior towards 5Ghz.

Since consumers are this dumb and demand to be anal raped, companies tell their marketing groups to convince these overclocking idiots that the impossible is actually possible w/ some easy to read through bullet points on a (confidentially released internal slide deck) the mass of normies with $5,000 systems to play over watch actually buy it. Like mad men, they fucking buy it. Then bitch about mah vrms because physics rears its head and reminds them of the exponential relationship between power usage and clocks. These idiots are literally going to be soaking their setups in mineral oil to get 100Mhz out of their CPU and 0.0005 increase in FPS. This was a fucking meme in the 90s on hardocp. A meme ....


So, I don't see what's wrong here... Marketing groups from intel are cashing in on the e-celebs making millions of dollars from views promoting O/C culture to plebs. Equipping rigs with cooling solutions that exceed the price of the CPU to get 10% more output from the CPU.. muh FPS and shit.

Dweebs have actually become convinced that they can reach insane clock levels if only they drop $600 on custom piped radiators, magic-fluids, water pumps, and laser etched elbow joints. If only these idiots could be a fly on the wall at marketing meetings.

Not to mention what the electricity bill is for this dumb shit. Do you see people who drop six figures on compute rigs at data centers overclocking high end chips? No dumbasses. That's exactly what HEDT is.

These dumbasses are buying the equivalent of a lamborghini and taking it to a ghetto ass tuner shop to get +5 HP. E-celebs pimping these brainlets out for shekels.

>>61240612
You're not funny.

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>>61240659

>>61240698
You're not funny.

>>61240712
no, YOU are not funny

>>61240712
Not him but he's pretty funny.

>>61240619
Or, you know, Intel and the board manufacturers can stop being cheap fucks with their cooling and actually do a decent job.

>>61240712
YEV YO

>>61239537
Come on intel go for 666W, you can do it! Unleash one HELLISH of a TDP.

>>61239459
Oh lord another Prime95 post

>I Prime95 while Prime95'ing during my Prime95'ing in between my Prime95'ing

>>61239459
DELID THIS THREAD

>>61239459
It's fucking weird seeing these posts because HEDT historically consumed this much power. X58 consumes easily 250w on the quads and 350w on the hexacores. X78 and X99 chips consumes well over 300w once you overclock it. You can easily verify those numbers using a digital psu.

That's what Intel gets for merging mainstream and hedt I guess.

>>61244346
Anon 10cores is already a furnace. 18cores chip will melt the socket.

>>61239608
>you get micro throttling that even cpuz cant record

I smell bullshit.

>>61244364
Not if it's unstable clocking anywhere over 3.6ghz

Who runs Prime 95 anymore?

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>>61240712
Shut. The Fuck. Up.

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>>61244444

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>>61239459

>>61240242
Oh look it's this fucking bootyblasted, asshassled, anusbungled hooknosed shekelstein again.

Just end yourself you curly haired manlet

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>>61244364
I have an x99 loop with 720mm rad space... with the internal liquid near ambient temperature and 6x fans @100% 2600RPM fans my cpu hits........ 96c.

You just don't do it. The dies are already too dense to cool.

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>>61244364
>Note: LN2 cooling is required for this CPU. Using inferior cooling solutions will void your warranty.

>>61244514
You're not funny.

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Those CPU's are literally unusable for 95% of people just of the pure insanity in form of power and heat.
I kinda regret not waiting for Ryzen and buying 6700k 6 months earlier but hey, maybe next time. Also it's hilarious that in 2017 Intel became everything AMD was in 2012.

Literally Prescott allover again, except with even more housefires

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>500W
jesus fucking christ

>>61244572
THAT'S NOT EVEN 18CORE

>>61244579
x299 v2 when? HUEHUEHUE

>>61244562
Do you think making anti-Semitic posts makes you look cool? Because it doesn't.

how amd sandbagged to their faces and they literally ate amd's bullshit lies, intel deserves this fucking miserable state.

BANZAI AMD!
BANZAI KELLER!
BANZAI PAPERMASTER!
BANZAI SU!

>>61244600
I would fucking die from laughter if Intel responded to heckling and criticism with some sort of a "people who hate us are antisemitic" rhetoric.

>intel
>jewish company
>make CPU that eats 500W not even at full power
is this the master jew plan? take peoples money and then burn them alive?
is this some twisted revenge for the holocaust?

>>61244623
You're not funny.

>>61244633
i dunno i laughed pretty hard

It takes just a single buttblasted jew to shit up an entire thread, scary.

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>>61244657
shhhhh

>>61244675
You're not funny.

>>61244444
What kind of stress test is Prime95 on X299? Running away from the blast radius.

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>>61239459

>>61239459
are they making an oven?

>>61245132
You're not funny.

>>61245382
OY VEY!

>>61246252
You're not funny.

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>>61239459

>>61246350
You're not funny.

>>61246500
You're not funny

>>61244346
980x was like 130 watts and it came with an intel tower heatsink with 2 modes.
All for $999.99
I used them for rendering in vray.
It was the 980x with a small gpu, gtx 450 or similar on a 550 watt PSU.

>>61244534
Yes he is ;)

>>61247334
>You're not funny

500 watt TOTAL system power draw.
I take it none of you redditors even watched the video?

>>61250873
That dwarfs the total system power draw of most CPU+GPU combos.

>>61250873
Oh yeah I forgot 16GB of RAM, a SSD and a idling GPU pull 200 watts.