SystemD

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>>61234896
Fuck off.

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>>61234896
Because younger developers are lazy shits having no sense of correctness, let alone integrity.

Someone should slap the shit out of those egocentric, narcissistic retards.

>>61235150
>Linking an iso
>Not a torrent for that iso
you disgust me

It's 400,000 lines of un-audited code developed by a company with close ties to the NSA (RedHat). You do the math.

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>>61234896
This picture explains systemd.

>>61234896
>Is it as insecure as they claim?
No, it's just /g/ being ridiculous. The "bug" that probably got your attention would never get past even most minor testing such as "enabling the service" and "interacting with it in any way" because it would throw a warning onto your terminal

I bought the domain justsystemdthings.com a few days ago, anyone got any suggestions for shitposts?

Reason why distros are using it is because it's superior. These choices are made by people with experience and who probably get paid to maintain the distro. No amount of hippie loser turd crying is going to change this. Every time linux changes we do this, difference is systemd just became a meme. 99% of anti-systemd shits are complete memelets who don't know what a fucking init system even is and are repeating the meme verbatim and won't even know what to replace it with even if it were up to them.

If you disagree, you're more than welcome to fuck off to some hippieshit distro which dies in less than two weeks for the same reason as above - hippieshits don't know how to maintain a distro and they lose interest.

>>61237192
fuck off poettering

>>61237192
>If you disagree, you're more than welcome to fuck off to some hippieshit distro which dies in less than two weeks

Thanks Poettsy I'll continue using Gentoo like I have for the last 16 years

>>61234896
It might be, and that's part of the problem. As anon
>>61235570 so eloquently puts: we just don't know. There's too much code running with too many rights.

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>>61234896
You have nothing to worry about if you installed Gentoo.

>>61237218
>>61237287
It's positively AMAZING, and I do mean flat out stupendous, how stupid we ended up over this meme. I remember when people were losing their shit over grub2 from grub, taking the role of a windows user and unlike how they see themselves, being unable to read the documentation for 10 seconds to see that if they really wanted to, it's exactly the same except the config is auto generated.

You really have no counter argument except to call me the author of the software. You are a clueless memelet much like a chicken with its head cut off running around. Bottom line is I'm very glad this happened because it eliminates stupid shitty hipsters who don't really care about linux but just think they're part of some secret internet club. What's next, I'm part of the NSA right? Fucking amazing how stupid you are.

By the way, gentoo is and has always been a ricer hippie meme distro, not used by anything important and never will be, so you retroactively beat me to the punch.

>>61237192
PCLinuxOS is the best distro I've used up until now, and it uses SystemV, Void uses runit. SystemD is a huge turd IMO

>>61237192
Solaris made SMF to replace the old init 15 years ago, Linux still a lagging.

>>61237456
Yup in your opinion. Too bad nobody gives a shit about your opinion.

Big distros use systemd because it's the best. Repeat memes all you want, you're still just a bunch of loser hippies.

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>>61237192
>systemd is superior thats why everyone uses it, not because everyone just copies what red hat does
>other distros run just as well if not better without it

>>61237493
Lots of people in here care and share my opinion. Your opinion however none of us care about, because your a nasty arrogant shill. Go away.

>>61234896
Its literal Linux cancer. It started out as a broken init system and metastasized into handling logging, dns, login and clock management and it does a crappy job with all of those. The design goal seems to be to re-invent Windows 98 on top of linux.

>>61237192
>everyone uses Windows instead of Linux because it's the best

>Reason why distros are using it is because it's superior.
No it isn't. It's conformity.
And alot of the biggest distroes went for the gnome turd as well, doesn't make it any less of a turd

>>61237493
Yes putting lots of complicated code into a process that can make the whole system crash is a great idea for stable server operating systems just like windows 95 , we too can suffer the ping of death. Definitely superior.

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Its all got to do with gnome. At some point it demanded systemd integration. Ditching all other init mechanisms. It was pushed down your throat with no possibilities of alternatives. As most distros also include gnome, then most distros will include systemd.

So, if you want to escape systemd you either need to ditch gnome or go for an older version.

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It's the cancer of Linux.

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>>61234896
Whenever you ask such things, keep this proverb in mind. It's up to you to decide who the stupid people are.

>>61234896
Mix of multiple factors:
- it paid/bullied/took over critical projects like udev, forcing people to either fork them or use systemd.
- Gnome is huge. Modifying it to not depend on systemd would be a massive amount of work. Gnome is developed by the same people as systemd and hard-depends on it.
- Redhat are part of the board of most popular distros, so they dictate what they use.
- Downstream distro are typically resource-starved and can't handle maintaining branches of half their repos for systemd-freeness.

It's textbook embrace-extend-extinguish, really. The current phase is extinguish.

Funny, i was just going to make a new thread here about https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/05/linux_systemd_grants_root_to_invalid_user_accounts/
I guess that answers the op question. lol

>>61234896
systemd has bright goals. the problem is they put an incompetent retard in charge whose track development record is Pulse Audio which is still a bug fiesta after 13 years and avahi which is used by 3.5 people around the world at any given time.

>>61237775
(((gnome)))

(((systemd)))

>>61235150
Fuck off.

Besides GNOME, what other software has systemd as a dependency?

>>61234896
Because isn't insecure as they like to claim. It's only a temper tantrum by small vocal minority that believe in "philosophy" who really is guidelines to create software efficiently given the technical limitations of that era.
I have some criticism too. The developers of systemd have too much featuritis. I don't blame them. I blame Redhat attempt to make linux work like a sane operating system in short time.

>>61234896
It's a tarball that makes working with your OS a bear and serves no real purpose.

>>61237422
>Has to be used by something important to be good
You're not very bright are you?

>>61236766
is systemd the coffee or the poop?

>>61237817
The irony of this quote is that's not how averages work.

>>61237828
Good. This will bring order to the Linux environment.

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>>61234896
>Is it as insecure as they claim? Then why the fuck are distros using it?

Are you implying Linux people care about security?

What gave you that crazy idea, when the biggest clown in the Lunix circus rejects security.


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/26/linus_torvalds_slams_pure_garbage_from_clowns_at_grsecurity/

>>61238807
What you expected of a comedian?

>>61238813
I remember that thread. Damage control at it finest.
The bad part of that is that Linus is celebrated and quoted by edgy wannabe hackers.

>>61238813
Linus is a clown, at least that part's accurate. The only reason why his death wouldn't be the catalyst to make linux non-shit is that he's also somewhat helping in defending linux from the SJW advance.

>>61238813
GRsecurity indeed are clowns though.

I'll take a guy like Linus whose got integrity even if he's sometimes wrong over the idiots who sell access to their shitty patches that crash the kernel when there "might" be a security problem.

>>61238853
Linux probably will die for a serious security issue merming the confidence on that kernel before that millenial gender studies landwhales will put a finger on it.

>>61238866
Linus is literally 100% of the time wrong. Not even 0.0000001% of the time is he right. Every single thing he says, every single thing he does, it's wrong. That's the problem. He hasn't even remotely earned the right to have the attitude he has.

>>61238889
I like how you are parodying the people that say that Linus is always 100% right, but come on.

If that were true he'd have been deposed as BDFL for quite a while now.

Linus is often right when it comes to shit he knows like the Kernel. It's when he makes large and vague statements that he's full of shit.

Honestly I don't mind the concept of systemd, it's the developers who are fucking retards.

Kinda like when they hijacked the debug kernel flag and caused systemd to spew out so much garbage it hung Linux on boot.

Daily reminder that systemd will not be necessary if GNU/Linux wasn't the shitfest that it is.

>>61238985
OpenBSD users pls go

>>61237192
word

>>61234896

Well, to make a long story short:

>people (rightfully) noticed linux boot procedure is a clusterfuck
>devs decided to make it better
>devs decided to make it one monolithic system
>half of the whole linux community started to say "this is not what we had in mind"
>devs turn out to be huge narcissistic assholes (inspired by Linus "Fuck You" Torvalds)
>devs don't give a flying fuck about the community
>SystemD is done and since it's comfy and get pushed by others it gets introduced in some distros
>SystemD grows like cancer
>infects each major distro
>gets deeper and deeper into the dependecies
>start to become more of an operating system than what it was intended for
>it's too late, we can't stop it now


That's basically it.
Now for your other question:
>Is it as insecure as they claim?

Yes and no.
It's open source, but it's huge and hard to reason about.
There were sever security holes in the past.

The company employing the SystemD guys is know for being in bed with the NSA. So personally I wouldn't be overly surprised if there are backdoors, but they are probably disguised as bugs for the "plausible deniability".


I forgot the name, but there is a discipline in hacking where you create security holes that look like they were accidental, so even if someone finds them nobody will know they were planned.

>>61238912
Hilarious allegations friendo. Been in the circus all your life huh.

>>61239156
I guess I just like writing patches better than complaining about people who do.

>>61239100
>in the past
From day 0 to just a week ago absolute clusterfuck critical security holes the size of uranus are being found. The kind of fuckups that even undergrads don't do. How does poettering react? CLOSED-WONTFIX

>>61239174
Mostly of these supposed bugs are people complaining because they don't like pottering anyways.

>>61239174
>CLOSED-WORKSFORME

>>61237076
Http redirect to the most recent critical security bug for it

>>61234896
>binary logs
systemD is cancer and it doesn't solve any problems that other init systems didn't already solve (i.e. openrc).

>>61239262
OpenRC didn't resolve any problem that systemd didn't solve before.
Also
>still is employed with sysvinit
>is reimplementing things that systemd has before
All because the gentoo developers are a clusterfuck of muh special snowflakes.

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So anons, what will i lose from NOT using systemd?

>>61239323
the nsa

>>61239323
The ability to even.

>>61239323
Time

>>61237076
not using bootstrapcdn would be a start

>>61239323
Time.
Compatibility.
Modern and relatively sane linux.

>>61238807
How do averages work?

>>61238040
then what works better than pulseaudio?

>>61239455
This. Fucking checkmate.

>>61239293
systemD "features" are just bloated crap no one needs. I'll be just fine on sysvinit.

>>61239549
>no one needs
>because I don't need it
Ok, Kevin.

>>61239556
Name something useful systemd does that other init systems don't do.

Systemd IS linux for all intended purposes.

>>61239455
Someone would say jack. But using jack in the way the anti-pulseaudio drones want is like using nuclear bombs to demolish a old building.

>>61234896
Still better than Windows.

>>61239590
>that fallacy
wew

>>61239580
Unifing linux for the best.

>>61239612
>muh unity
Go back to Windows then. Distros don't need to be "unified."

>>61239624
>because I said it so
Go back to your special snowflake distro.

>>61239612
We must unite Germany under one flag.

>>61239652
Unified Germany was a mistake.

>>61239648
You're the one asserting that unity=good. The burden of proof is on you.

>>61239664
>le burden of proof maymay xD
Study some logic outside for that jew Sagan. You can also prove me wrong outside ths stage.

>>61237493
>Big distros use systemd because it's the best.
How is it the best when it is trying to become Windows?
>Repeat memes all you want, you're still just a bunch of loser hippies
It's not about being hippie. It's about freedom of choice. And systemd ruins it by making applications as systemd dependency.

>>61239673
>No arguments
Enjoy that Lennart cock and those security holes.

>>61237192
t. Finn

>>61237192
I actually agree with this.

>>61239732
>no arguments
Enjoy your brokeness

>>61237422
>It's positively AMAZING, and I do mean flat out stupendous, how stupid we ended up over this meme. I remember when people were losing their shit over grub2 from grub, taking the role of a windows user and unlike how they see themselves, being unable to read the documentation for 10 seconds to see that if they really wanted to, it's exactly the same except the config is auto generated.
Are you making the assumption that people here are of one collective hivemind?
>You really have no counter argument except to call me the author of the software. You are a clueless memelet much like a chicken with its head cut off running around. Bottom line is I'm very glad this happened because it eliminates stupid shitty hipsters who don't really care about linux but just think they're part of some secret internet club. What's next, I'm part of the NSA right? Fucking amazing how stupid you are.
How's it feel to be a Zerg, Kerrigan?
>By the way, gentoo is and has always been a ricer hippie meme distro, not used by anything important and never will be, so you retroactively beat me to the punch.
But it does end up as an all-purpose distro with the power given to users to choose.

>>61239323
switching to openrc has actually been less painful than I thought it would be.

>>61239727
>i don't know how the fuck windows works, but I hate it, so will compare systemd with windows

>>61239883
Works on my machine. :^)

>>61239455
>lack of alternatives means product is perfectly good
You're not very smart, are you.

>>61239968
No, I'm legitimately asking. You're complaining that pulse is buggy but I can't find anything less buggy. I would honestly like to know of an alternative.

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>>61237422
but grub2 is worse than grub anon. i miss menu.lst desu.

>>61239455
alsa is a built in audio driver nigga. don't know why you need a server to handle audio when the kernel can handle it just fine.

>>61237828
>>Gnome hard-depends on SystemD
Pretty sure Void Linux managed to get new versions of GNOME working without using SystemD

>>61239922
So you're fine with everything will depend on systemd? What if Lennart says "systemd will die because I say so"?

>>61237828
Nobody developed an alternative to logind, like ConsoleKit anymore, so they dropped it from their code cause that.
You can thank the guys who are very busy crying about muh sysvinit and creating new distros instead of coding alternatives to systemd and their infrastructure.

>>61239998
There isn't. Pulse had a lot of time and effort put into it, so people reasonably expected it to unshit itself sometime soon(tm) and didn't waste hours trying to compete with a theoretically good product.

>>61240089
>open source project will die because one developer will stop committing
Summer couldn't be over too soon.

>>61240089
I'm simply pointing that you don't know jackshit about how windows does work, to comparing it to systemd.
And yes, I'm fine. That will mean that the balkanization inherently to the GNU FOSS culture will end for good.

>>61240025
Because kernel developers don't like floating point operations in kernel space, for mentioning a reason.
Audio should be managed in userspace.

>>61240025
alsafags get out

>>61240103
Wrong. Consolekit2 is maintained.

>>61240183
The original consolekit was abandoned before the explosion of the systemd drama as I understand.

>using anything by lenny poo-terring
shiggy diggy

>>61240325
>using anything GNU/Linux
Kek

>>61240436
>being a vidya gayming manchild
go play in the ebin intel vs amd thread

>>61239293
OpenRC is older and doesn't PID1 allowing it to not crash your entire system when it crashes. Checkmate lennart.

>>61240103
>program a copy of our software OR DIE
>""""""""""""alternative""""""""""""""""
Your tears are delicious

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>>61240479
>Windows is the only alternative to shitnux.

>>61238807
"average" is ambigous in nature.

>>61238807
It is how a median works

>>61238803
it was added to linux so...

>>61237842
Quality programming at work.

>>61235150
>doesn't come with any games
into the trash it goes

>>61237422
Yet another systemdfag with not even a trace of a technical argument. Yawn

>>61237192
>>61238808
>>61240120
You fags are speaking like the fragmentation of the linux community were a bad thing. If you want conformiti go suck some of that huge RedHat cock with their """""enterprise""""" support and stop preaching your bullshit around.
>>61240120
>don't know jackshit about how windows work
not him, but making monolith everything is an important part of windows philosophy for some reason. Remember that the last time somebody actually tried to improve that clusterfuck that is the windows kernel Vista happened.

>>61237796
I'd save that meme but I'm afraid that Trump will put me on the list.

>>61243225
in fact it IS shit for security

>>61234896
>I'd just like to interject for a moment
>What you're refering to as systemd bug, is in fact a kernel bug, or as I've recently taken to calling it, closed and not-a-bug

>>61239455
jack

What OS is free of system D?
Manjaro, Trisquel, alpine, GNUsense, Debian, WHAT DISTROOOOOooooooo? lol

>>61244200
all are those are unstable except for Debian

Trisquel and Manjaro died on me before

>>61234896
SystemDICK

>>61243199
Use HTTPS.

>>61244234
This post is the straw that broke the camels back.
SystemD is finished.

You fagots never post an alternative. I'm almost convinced this is a C yie A shill thread to shit up the linux users

>>61238807
If some are super geniuses the average would be skewed up, therefore more then half could still be below the line. It is a silly quote, but math wise it could be correct.

>>61244332

you seem sane

systemd is a monolithic alternative to a bundle of GNU/Linux subsystems. As long as it's clear defined which subsystems are replaced by systemd, everything is just fine. If devs want their alternatives to stay competitive, they need to get their asses up and program shit that runs just as well as the systemd bundle. The problem is that many techlets don't know a single shit about userspace and parrot the autistic screeching responses that followed after systemd went further than "init".

>>61244726
sh peak un et camigo

>>61237076
i second
>>61239259

you people act like if it wasn't for systemd linux would be good LOL

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me@arya:[~]: cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 14.2

Checkmate Poettering

>>61237076
>justsystemdthings.com
A list of systemd CVEs, but I doubt you could pay for the bandwidth of the site.

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/6300

>>61244234
wtf? i hate systemD now

>>61234896

Kill yourself fucking Rettart Bottering

>>61247326
this is huge, why is nobody noticing this?

>>61246312
This

Also include a bunch of screenshots of poettering posts

>>61238655
Flatpak and snapd do

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This is the 3rd systemd update in 2 days.

Packages (10) automake-1.15.1-1  docbook-xsl-1.79.2-3  glib2-2.52.3-1  glib2-docs-2.52.3-1  gnutls-3.5.14-1  libinput-1.8.0-1
              libsystemd-233.75-3  mercurial-4.2.2-1  systemd-233.75-3  systemd-sysvcompat-233.75-3

Fuck you SJWottering you kraut piece of shit.

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5755

oh for fuck sake

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Why do SystemD shills sound like Windows shills?

>>61249729
"It's not a bug, you're just using it wrong"

Fuck that guy, seriously.

>>61250228
yet they fixed it anyway, fibbers!

>2017
>software written in C

>>61234896

systemd is a piece of software which solves/simplifies a lot of things for distro maintainers/admins/and lately containers.

It's not a great piece of software and is also led by a bunch of edgy narcissists, but for the aforementioned needs it has been better than the shit before it, and thus widely adopted.

Eventually something better will come along as the warts of systemd will amass, and the cycle will repeat.

Meanwhile Gentoo neets will never accept anything other than OpenRC+their shitty scripts and will continue to whine and hate, while the rest of the world continue to move on.

>>61237775
This
GNOME has been shit since they transitoned to 3

>>61240053
They even rolled it before arch and the others once. The dependencies aren't that much of a problem once you find a replacement and the idiots upstream don't deprecate stuff

>>61237775

This is bullshit, Gnome relied on Consolekit which in turn was abandoned by it's devs and bitrotted, so Gnome relied instead on logind which is supplied by systemd.

Now just like with Consolekit, anything which offers the same functionality as logind can replace it, so Gnome is not bound to systemd, it's bound to the functionality of logind, which anything else can also provide should someone do the work.

>>61239455
OSS. Unirinically. v4 was totally awesome and had great tools for internal mixing. Too bad it wasn't included into kernel. The only reason I switched to alsa/PA was line6 soundcard