BRAVO EUROPE

>>61228750
Oh nice

>>61228750
Solid step in the right direction.

another excuse for higher prices in europe
well done eurofucks

Good.

>>61228775
nobody cares. You pay good you should get good stuff more over this should apply to apple or all places.

it also stops or slows down automation take overs too.
fuck your wallet.

>>61228750
>Electronic devices should be robust
No shit Sherlock? No one will buy it if it's not robust. Free market fixes itself.

>easily repairable
Yeah let's see you fix that CPU

>>61228798
Autism

>>61228750
Some bureaucrat in Brussels probably cracked his macbook screen and got mad when he found out he has to pay 600 to repair it

>>61228798
Any minute now your health and education system will fix itself

>>61228798
>>Electronic devices should be robust
>No shit Sherlock? No one will buy it if it's not robust. Free market fixes itself.
Then why do people keep buying shit that breaks easily ?

>>easily repairable
>Yeah let's see you fix that CPU
The whole is what should be easily repairable. A CPU is a part of that whole. What it means is that the CPU should be easily replaceable if need be.
As a comparison, there are lots of parts in a car that you replace if they break, rather than repairing those individual parts. But instead of throwing the entire car away, you replace the broken part to repair the car.

>inb4 burger argues against this

>>61228839
After we repeal Obamacare, yep.

>>61228842
>Then why do people keep buying shit that breaks easily ?
Why don't you launch an alternative that doesn't break easily? Nobody's stop you from doing so.

>They want to end the planned obsolescence of consumer electronics devices and software

If this is enforced by law shit will change dramatically for the better.

And yes, you can prove planned obsolesce in many cases, also no one would want to risk a lawsuit.

Shit decision desu
If a company wants to sell products you can't repair, let them do it. A free market would solve this problem but autists insist that the government must interfere

>>61228839
you shoot the children so there is less strain on the education system and they wont grow old to tax the healthcare system.

free market figured it out

>>61228775
>>61228798
There are people on /g/ who unironacilly argue against this

What has rhis board become?

>>61228868
Oh yeah, just lack of capitals, knowledge, skills, factory, etc.
Launching an alternative to a high tech product isn't just something you can do as going in the street and sell lemonade.

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>>61228798
This gentleman is correct. Our problem is that we have Marxist-Keynesian planning which precludes free market to work.

>>61228891
Americans were always like this, brainwashed against their own interests, taught that if you have a lot of money you can't do wrong.

I mean I even like most of the libertarian shit but murricans are disgusting regarding the lengths they will go to protect brands and companies.

>>61228839
Any minute now you'll be replaced by "refugees" because you can't have guns.

>>61228775
are you poor? stay away from apple products please
>>61228891
they're probably americunts, they mostly use apple and want to defend it naturally. iOS is the second most used OS there
>>61228925
this.

>>61228876
>[citation needed]
The market is moving in exactly the opposite direction in most areas concerning technology. And it doesn't have to be drastic interference. Just forcing sellers to mark the product, similarly to how it's done with power consumption for washing machines and shit would be a step in positive direction.

>>61228798
>Free market fixes itself
Ahahahaa yeah go buy more juicero you corporate cuck

>>61228798
>Free market fixes itself.
american mental gymnastics are hilarious.

inb4 buttstinged murricans defending their corporations "rights and R&D labor"

>>61228950
I never understood the American with treating corporations like they have human rights or something.

>>61228963
*American obsession

lol just says the have to supply spares for x time at a reasonable price for it's age at the time so you can go to independent repairers.

all you're gonna get is a new main board for $450 or something

not going to happen while jews are still around jewing the world

>>61228854
Burger living in UK here
I support this

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Why would you want to repair your car? Just take it to your dealer

>>61228982
>poorfags fixing their own car
kek

>>61228750
easily repairable
Lul
Please repaire my GPU

>>61228826
As opposed to JewSA, where some bureaucrat breaks his macbook but its okay because he just got another one for free from Apple for helping the dogde taxes.

>>61228982
oh yeah i forgot i have all the ecu code and any key codes to make my own keys too

oh wait....

>>61228750
Laptop Fans should be standardized and easily replaced.
Lithium Batteries sizes should be standardized with standard plug in connectors. It's like the 19th century all over again right now.
Power cables should have been standardize but now we're stuck with the pseudostandard of USB charging.

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This mostly targets the phones

i can understand the independent repairer thing kinda, could be a bit dodge

but forcing companies to have spares for x years and then sell them at fair deprecation for the components is retarded.

phones will just get even more expensive. Now they gotta keep some board spare and then in 3 years they have to sell it cheap cus its 3 years old

it's probably cheaper for the company to give you a new phone or mid range phone but that law want's to stop this

>>61228994
Speaking from experience GPUs generally don't suffer from planned obsolescence.

Mid range Samsung TVs for example usually stop working just after the warranty runs out, if someone proves this is planned they will be fined in EU.

>>61228750
>Opinions?
OP gay

>>61229011
This won't change anything to Surface & Macbook, they are hard to repair because of how they are built to be smaller and slimmer.

>>61229022
This forces companies to build them more robustly so they do not have to keep that many spares.

Prices will surely go up but this guarantees a better product.

>>61229030
Yeah, I'll take 1mm more thickness for actual screws instead of gum and the ability to fucking fix the damn thing, change the RAM assuming it has sodimm slots, m2 slot, wireless card, clean it up, paste, etc etc,

>5 year legal guarantee master race

https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/fileadmin/user_upload/eu-consommateurs/PDFs/PDF_EN/REPORT-_GUARANTEE/tableau_EN_Legal_commercial.pdf

>>61228750
Can we rejoin the EU please?

t.brit

>>61229042
you honestly think they make those complex circuit boards with something planned to die perfectly out of warranty?


nothing is going to change except we're all subsidizing the spares


>>61229044
>thinks it will be 1mm

just the ram slots alone, let alone 2 would be a shitload these days

you're forgetting how thick and heavy laptops used to be

oh wait you probably have a dogshit ancient thinkpad you paid $650 for and reckon it's a top deal

>>61229067
Dude, I don't care for 200grams of fucking weight if my entire machine is different, fuck off wristlet

>>61229067
It's not magic retard, companies can just install a capacitor that blows after a specific time and make it hard to self repair your shit on purpose.

Also this was just an example, planned obsolescence IS a thing and if a company doesn't want to be fined they will have to build more robustly.

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>>61229073
yeah 200g is all that's changed in the last 10 years of laptops.

>2009 xps

>>61229024
>GPUs generally don't suffer from planned obsolescence.
Drivers do

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>>61228750
MACTODDLERS

PERPETUALLY

CONTINUALLY

CONSTANTLY

INCESSANTLY

EVERLASTINGLY

UNREMITTINGLY

INTERMINABLY

PERMANENTLY

ETERNALLY

BLOWN

THE

FUCK

OUT

UNTIL THE END OF TIME

>>61229097
Okay. lets make this simple for the resident idiot.

You want 1kg of useless throttling hardware.
I'm fine with 2kg of useful hardware.

Simple, right?

>>61229094
>buying dodgy caps
>have to assume the dodgy cap lifespan is correct so it dies outside of warranty
>implying 1 cap is hard to change

>>61229022
Phones will get more expensive but they'll last more than 6 months

It's a tradeoff between buying junk that dies for cheap and buying stuff that isn't self-destructing garbage.

>>61229113
Don't respond to retards, it's not like the new Thinkpads are that fat for example and they have mostly replaceable parts, including ram slots.

>>61229113
2kg laptops are NOT portable

>>61229113
>he thinks it's 2kg

lmao

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>you will never have a thick laptop

>>61229116
Ok then, are you trying to argue that planned obsolescence is not a thing?

Or do you just like to post retarded shit?

>>61229128
So the 2015 MBP is not portable? Good joke, also try using that hand for something, masturbating should improve your wrist strength.

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you can always tell that the americans haven't woken up yet because threads like this aren't filled with burger-gorging HFS-chugging amerifats spamming the thread with "LOOOOL EUROKEKS MUH FREE MARKETS CHEAPER = BETTER ALWAYS I LOVE BEING KEKED BY THE CORPO-GOVERNMENT UNION"

>>61229135
just because they don't make everything removable and sold individually doesn't mean they planned for it to die

feel free to post that evidence because it's such a common thing

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>>61229130
Not thick enough.

>>61228839
Any minute now, your government will not give you back , your dying child to your dying child to even cremate.

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>>61229130

extra T H I C C

>>61229148
You're not very clear with your post and you did not answer my question.

Are you arguing that there is no such thing as planned obsolescence?

>>61229149
Portable racks?

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>>61228750
Fucking FINALLY!!

THIS IS AMAZING!

YESSSS

Americans hate:
>freedom
>longer warranty
>healthcare
>anti monopoly laws
>laws that help the citizen
it's no wonder they hate this

>>61228798
>Free market fixes itself.
>people actually believe this while throwing their macbooks in the dumpster after two years

>>61229157
retard alert

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>>61228798
>you need to install our new OS!
>your device which was amazing last year now suddenly is a slow, laggy, unstable mess
>buy a new one!

>>61229107
>he thinks Apple is going to make thiccer and bigger Macbook for the sake of them being easier to repair
LMAO!!!!!

>>61229181
You can't market those without losing on your bottom line, so Americans are allergic to them

You can market burgers though.

>>61229196
Keep dodging the question faggot

>>61228868
Companies are launching them but they don't gain popularity because Apple has a massive brand name backing them.

Not reliability, or service, brand name.

>>61229181
This

>>61229196
I smell burgers

>>61229119
Are you stupid? Why would you buy some phone that dies in 6 months? Given the massive growth in smartphone industry, there are tons of alternative for every shit phone you buy.

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shills will pretend this only applies to IT but it also applies to dishwasher parts and fridgerators and A/Cs

this forces the companies to provide parts or refer to a supplier if you ever need to repair a product you bought

this also makes it so you can go to a 3rd party repair man for way cheaper and be supplied parts from the manufacturer

all the shills are apple fags who want to pay 3x the price for repairs and inflated hardware that is just a intel chipset with soldered components

>>61229198
If you don't like it you can start a smartphone company yourself. Surely it can beat Apple since they fuck over their consumers right?

this doesn't really change anything for the companies, they just have to let any old shop repair it so they can't have a monopoly on repairs with authorised shit

also you will just be paying for the spares anyway

>>61229218
>he thinks such a big company as APPLE is going to change anything to their big seller things because of eurocucks
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
SMALLER
THINNER
LIGHTER
people like that and it's not likely to change.

>>61229235
They will have to lose EU's market then eventually.

>>61229247
No, even europoors buy thems https://sanoma.com/en/news/european-wide-survey-ipad-most-popular-internet-device-home

>>61229218
>3x the price

what

apple just replaces the phone for $299-349 depending on the model.

Is some random repair shop going to replace an iphone for $100-180

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i love how americans love to gush over "muh freedumz" for corporations because "the free market will solve everything" when it consistently proves over and over again that it always ends up the same: shitty products that are designed specifically to be unrepairable and planned to be obsolete in as short a time as possible.

i honestly don't even know how they can chortle back that "if the product is bad then people won't buy it" because the absolutely miserable state of their bottom-line throwaway consumerist culture completely and eterneally shatters this flimsy argument.

you could be the absolute most rational consumer in the world, but it doesn't matter when there are millions upon millions of idiotic consumers, for whom the lifetime of a product never even once crosses their mind. they keep being the same cheap garbage over and over again and never even think that anything is wrong with it. where is the "american innovation" here? why are the children being distanced from their machines, being taught that they must depend on their masters to fix their toys? and that they will just have to buy a new one when master insists that the toy is broken?

it's so absolutely ironic that the core values for which america thinks they stand are always defended most strongly in europe, while the americas are too busy jerking off to flags, fireworks and guns to even notice. i think this is why their shadow media pushed the "europe is so cucked" agenda - they can't allow their population to realize they are the ones getting really cucked every single day of their lives.

>>61229255
It doesn't matter if we like a product being thin, in order for Apple to sell it in EU it has to follow the EU's laws or risk paying fines and eventually being taken off the market completely.

>>61229258
America could wipe Europoors off the face of the planet in days if it damn well wishes to

>>61229263
lol retard it doesn't have to be thick they just have to let others repair it and sell spares.

apple will gladly sell you a whole new mainboard to any repairer for $799 or some shit

this shit already happens with washing machines, you think they solder shit for you no the guy replaces a whole control board for $250+

>>61229268
You couldn't even beat a bunch of farmers kek

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>>61229268
until then we will enjoy our €20 1000/1000 Mbit/s with no data caps

>>61229268
>my dad is stronger than your dad
this ain't kindergarten kid

>>61229268
Go back to playing with your Barbie doll, Johnny.

>>61229268

>hurr durr we got da nooks

typical american rebuttal - knows he is completely wrong, can only respond by apish chest-beating and posturing.

>>61229268
>Using violence as an argument for superiority

Real intelligent people in burger land

>>61229263
https://support.apple.com/repair
Lurk more, this won't change anything

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>>61229298

forgot my pic, come at me cucks

>>61229214
>Why would you buy some phone that dies in 6 months?
Because all the popular people have them!

>>61229198
Or maybe you could buy an android and shut the fuck up.

>>61228798
>No shit Sherlock? No one will buy it if it's not robust. Free market fixes itself.
>muh free market
>muh people are rational economic actors
Economists assuming people are rational actors is the same as physicists assuming every object is a perfect sphere with uniform density, it allows for nice theory but is useless in real-world applications.

>>61228868
>Why don't you launch an alternative that doesn't break easily? Nobody's stop you from doing so.
>start your own business meme
Lolbertarians really are delusional. Despite what you may believe starting a company isn't easy or possible in all cases. Otherwise everyone would have their own company rather than work for someone else.

Stop reading Ayn Rand, Mises, and other corporate cucks.

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>>61229298
>projecting this hard
wew lad, have a burger

You don't like it? don't buy it.

I'm all for free market and less regulation but I find it very hard to argue against stuff like this. I suppose when corporations have that much leverage over their competition the only way to respond is with leverage in the opposite direction

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>>61229298

>>61229334
>tfw live in red country

BASED

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>>61229309

ho there johnny, you're up early! pulling the open shift are we? you better get to work, your fair free market wage™ at your mcJob is on the line! remember that if you're late, mr. shekelsburg is going to fire you and replace you with a robot! you'd best save your deus vult crusade on 4chan for when you get home after work

>>61229334
God, we need to get rid of Scandinavians and Britbongs.

>>61229334
poland is like that because no one thinks about people of other race because they're almost non-existent here
this map is really stupid desu senpai

>>61229315
Haha, then you are a massive retard and don't deserve to be on /g/. I bought a chink phone(xiaomi) and even that is working fine for the last two years without any degradation in performance. Tech illiterate people like you are meant to be scammed by scummy corporations.

>>61229349
The latter fucked off by themselves, I don't think we'll get rid of the northern cucks that easy though.

>>61229334
What if they let people have an option to only not want to have nigger neighbors?

>>61229346
Hit a nerve, didn't I?

>>61228750
Rip Euro Apple.

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>>61229372

>I'M NOT MAD, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S MAD! I'M LAUGHING! SEE! HA HA HA! LAUGHING! AT YOU! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S MAD!

>>61229344
Are you indian?

>>61229334
Take your fabricated /pol/ trash and fuck off back to Facebook you waste of cum.

>>61229386
no

>>61228798
>No one will buy it if it's not robust. Free market fixes itself.
Laws are created when it's not respected.
If "le free market" fixes it anyway, then this law won't even bother anyone, since no one will break it, and those that do will just go bankrupt faster, since they would have crashed on the market anyway.

>>61229393
Imagine these people having the gall to insult anyone on racial issues.

>>61229358
>Tech illiterate people like you are meant to be scammed by scummy corporations.
And that's exactly why the free market won't fix this.

>>61229009
Yea why don't we just have a standardized state issue phone, and all the companies should be shut down.

>ITT: temporarily embarrassed millionaires defend the right of corporations to fuck people in the ass
I love you Burgerfags, but it's time to give up that national delusion of yours that hard work can one day put you in position of fucking instead of being fucked. It can't and it won't. We're all being fucked together.

>>61229418
Americucks have been acclimated to blacks, mexicans, fags and other subhumans that they don't even notice anymore.

>>61229378
>being not mad at legitimate criticisms of his country
Low testosterone men like you give birth to degrading nations like yours. In the end, you'll just end up like Venezuela, an example for the world's countries for what not to do.

>>61229405
*when they are not respected

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>>61229455
>amerifat talking about degrading nations
son, I have something to tell you

>>61229427
Or maybe, after the company's reputation goes down rapidly for creating mulitple low quality devices that they produce, no one will buy from them, and other companies will crop up to fill the void of the scummy company, offering reliable products.

This thread quckly turned into an America vs Europe thread
Fuck off all to /pol/

>>61228876
I see how Apple is doing really bad because of planned obsolesence.
Normies don't investigate into products they buy.
Free market would be awesome if all people were smart. Now as it is, free market only degrades living standards.

>>61229487
>This thread quckly turned into an America vs anyone else thread
fixed

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>>61229455

>"low testosterone"
>"degrading" nations (i think you mean "declining" you illiterate fuck)
>thinks europe will end up like a country that nationalized its one industry and gave away all it's money because lel europ is kuked

yeah you're a big strong guy. tough aryan genes and all that. go back to le_donald you fucking moron

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>>61229487
>getting offended on 4chin

>>61229349
>>61229360
As if Finnish people didn't know about how shitty neighbours can be while sharing the border with the Soviets and Russians.

>>61228876
If the "free market" would solve this problem then we wouldn't be stuck with Windows + x86

>>61229191
I use a 2010 MacBook Pro every day though

>>61229067
>Think and heavy laptops.
Please. My X230 weighs like 4 pounds. Where, so heavy, gonna need some help lifing that shit. Get over yourself. Literally an extra centimeter wouldn't make a difference, if I could buy a surface now and use it for ten years.

Fucking cuck

>>61229554
The 2010 one was fine though. I mean, you could basically replace everything but the CPU.

>>61229487
you mean /int/

>>61228750
How about a right to fix the EU?

>>61229196
>>61229148
Have forgotten printers?
http://www.reportsfromearth.com/155/designed-to-fail-planned-obsolescence-in-printers-tricks-to-fix-them/

>>61228775
>another excuse for higher prices in europe
Not really

>>61228798
Just look at apple.
Dumb fuck

>>61229323
>Despite what you may believe starting a company isn't easy or possible in all cases
Exactly
Enjoy your unregulated monopoly.

>>61229480
>eurocuck jealous enough to point fingers at the most successful country in the world.
It's okay anon, may be if you commit sudoku, you'll be born again as a Mexican and try to come here illegally....
>>61229504
>Trying to defend his country's socialistic policies
>IT WILL NOT GO DOWN THE SAME FATE VENEZUELA DID. VENEZUELA DIDNT FOLLOW TRUE SOCIALISM. MY COUNTRY FOLLOWS TRUE SOCIALISM. MY COUNTRY WILL BE KANGZ OF THE WORLD. UTOPIA! PARADISE!
I see you're a cuck raising your wife's son. Or maybe a faggot(in which case you should go back to /lgbt/).
And yes I meant "degrading" you autistic fuck.

>>61229386
He is a Jew

>>61228750
Most US states have this too which is great because I love getting these schematics. Makes repairs so much more easy

>>61228750
Good. Can't fucking wait. Don't forget Google promised this with phones but ameritards never do things right and aren't against brainless consumerism, so Google didn't deliver.

>>61228798
>free market fixes itself
Open source market fixes itself. "Free market" always favours big corporations and centralism.

>>61229309
>>bigger, intrusive government
Says someone from a country with anti-encryption laws and organisations like the NSA.

>paying double the price for same goods that cost dirt cheap
Quite ironic when considering that the US is one of the most expensive markets.

>>lots and lots of muhummads, achmeds and rizwans so that they(Europeans) could raise their(Muhammad's) children they(muhummad) had with their(eurocuck's) women.
Only partially true and only for the UK. That being said I find this quite ironic when whites are a minority in the USA nowadays.

>>terrorist attacks(part and parcel™)
School shootings, 9/11, etc

>Niggers(esp Italy and france)
Much less than the US.

>>61229298
>>unelected commissions
Just like the FCC! Oh wait!

>>giving welfare to terrorists in the middle east
Wasn't murrica the country that gave guns to ISIS back in the Libyan war "of liberation"?

>Be american
>The government does nothing to protect you from being tracked
>if for some reason they force you to go to a hospital you are forced to pay for it
>niggers coming out of every hole
>monopolies everywhere because companies like Comcast can sue the competition out of existence
>you can be hold in jail forever if you refuse to give out your cryptographic keys

>>61229009
Standardization kills progress you shmuck.

>>61229097
I miss my Studio XPS 16. It was also easier to open than this HP thing I've got now.

>>61229799
>schmuck
using jewish slang?

if we didnt standardize on IBM compaitbility the PC would never of progressed and would still only be esoteric mainframes running one off OS's

i wouldnt expect you to understand that though

>>61228750
>>They want to end the planned obsolescence of consumer electronics devices and software

this is essentially capping progress.

>>61229829
Or we would have closed-down platforms like the mobile phones or gaming consoles, where something like the PC never happened.

>>61229005

>All ECU codes.

You can get your hands on dealer-level ECU info with the right scan tool.

>buh buh can't make my own keys.

You really want Jamal to be able to set up shop and churn out keys that circumvent immobilizers? nigga, you dum.

>>61229024
>Speaking from experience GPUs generally don't suffer from planned obsolescence.

Have you ever owned a Kepler card? The GTX 680 was faster than the HD7970/R9 280X at its launch. Now even the 780 is behind this AMD card.

>>61229690
>Google promised this with phones
The idea was idiotic. Modular phones are a retarded idea. It's not about that at all, as long as the device is somewhat accessible, it's fine. Look at iPhones up to the 6, you can pretty much repair everything easily yourself. So nobody fucking needs a modular phone, that is just bullshit. But at least use screws, no glue, make the device accessible without super special equipment. If the logic board is fried, then it's fried, whatever, but everything else should be replaceable.

>britbongs will not benefit from this
glorious EU master race saving technology again.

>>61229829
And it's exactly why the PC is dying. The whole PC paradigm is so standardized it can't keep up with progress and a fucking $700 slab of glass shat all over it.

>>61229887
>PC is dying

Lol

>>61228798
Learn how supply and demand actually work, faggot. http://digamo.free.fr/keen2011.pdf

>>61228926
Actually this is pretty funny because refugee replacing you would be free market at work, literally.
Think about it.

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>>61229897

>>61228868
>Nobody's stop you from doing so.
Actually, the law is.
Shareholders can sue you if they believe you aren't acting to maximise their profits. It's literally illegal not to be an asshole if your company issues stock.

Abolishing the technostructure (Where the management of companies were divorced from investor-ownership) was a mistake.

>>61229913
>percentage

You're literally fucking retarded.

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>>61229897
Man, I know way too manhunt people who use an iPad as their only "computer".

>>61229913
More devices entered the global market you dumb hick, doesn't mean PC is losing numbers.

>>61229928
See >>61229931

But keep ignoring the reality that standards are a good thing :^)

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>>61228798
>Free market fixes itself
>I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
t. not brainwashed ameritard

>>61228876
The free market won't solve the problem though - it'll insist it isn't a problem.
Government interference would unambiguously be a preferable solution so long as your criteria is "avoiding difficulty in user serviceability" - costs may be higher for Europeans or so on, but the free market isn't going to "solve" the problem - because it's not profitable to do so in and of itself. (Or it's only profitable in a niche segment like older Thinkpads, rather than as a universal rule for all hardware.)

It's the same as essential air service routes for commuter airlines. If you want a profitable investment, even the free market can't save you in the airline business - but if it could, it'd give you an airline buzzing between population centres. If you're stuck in fucking Muscle Shoals then state intervention (subsidy) is the only way you're getting on a plane out of there. The free market doesn't think that's a problem worth solving: You and presumably a number of other people in MSL do.

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>>61228920

>>61228750
>No more garbage like soldered RAM
It's a breath of fresh air.

>>61229971
the free market retards will simply respond with "then don't live in Muscle Shoals retard" as if it is a real answer or solution.
free market is only good when it's a "free market" with a bunch of regulations and ways to punish corporations that shit on people.

>“You’re a wizard, Harry,” Hagrid said. “And you’re coming to Hogwarts.”

>“What’s Hogwarts?” Harry asked.

>“It’s wizard school.”

>“It’s not a public school, is it?”

>“No, it’s privately run.”

>“Good. Then I accept. Children are not the property of the state; everyone who wishes to do so has the right to offer educational goods or services at a fair market rate. Let us leave at once.”

>>61228750
someone call louis rossmann

>Professor Snape stood at the front of the room, sort of Jewishly. “There will be no foolish wand-waving or silly incantations in this class. As such, I don’t expect many of you to appreciate the subtle science and exact art that is potion-making. However, for those select few who possess, the predisposition…I can teach you how to bewitch the mind and ensnare the senses. I can tell you how to bottle fame, brew glory, and even put a stopper in death.”

>Harry’s hand shot up.

>“What is it, Potter?” Snape asked, irritated.

>“What’s the value of these potions on the open market?”

>“What?”

>“Why are you teaching children how to make these valuable products for ourselves at a schoolteacher’s salary instead of creating products to meet modern demand?”

>“You impertinent boy–“

>“Conversely, what’s to stop me from selling these potions myself after you teach us how to master them?”

>“I–“

>“This is really more of a question for the Economics of Potion-Making, I guess. What time are econ lessons here?”

>“We have no economics lessons in this school, you ridiculous boy.”

>Harry Potter stood up bravely. “We do now. Come with me if you want to learn about market forces!”

>The students poured into the hallway after him. They had a leader at last.

>>61228750
Various states have proposed this, I don't think any have fully gone through

Considering the EU has the balls to fine big companies millions I'm sure they'll get this through pretty quickly

Even if no US states make companies do this at least we'll be able to buy replacement parts and manuals from the EU

>>61229230
if apple doesn't like right to repair they can fuck off. surely other markets will gladly buy their unrepairable crippleware if they're so great.

>>61230095
>EU has the balls to fine big companies millions
Try billions, lmoa.

>>61228856
wow kys

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>>61230095
>>61230127
Forgot the pic.

>>61230141
Fuck off commie.

>>61228750
> Opinions?

this is awesome

the EU just made international phoning cheap as fuck and now they're coming for the hardware jews like Apple

this is an exemplary way to use legislative power

we need to get trump on this

with the size of our tech communities we could create a whole new industry and market

imagine the jobs and innovation

this combined with 3d printing would allow small groups of people to open up repair/upgrade shops legally and even possibly even produce innovative advances in cost reduction or achievements

imagine the jobs!!!

everything from a baby monitor to a garbage disposal will be servicable legally and the parts will have to be provided by the manufacturers to third parties and citizens

tfw the country could end E-waste and become techy scrap inventors

also competition = reduction of cost
so theres also a market and economics advantage

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A freshwater neoclassical real business cycle theorist was teaching a class on Robert Lucas, known market fundamentalist.
>“Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship rational expectations and accept that it was the greatest contribution to macroeconomics the world has ever known, even greater than monetarism!”
At this moment, a brave, socialist, post-Keynesian and student of Minsky who had predicted the 2008 recession and understood the importance of the level of private debt and fully supported all government stimulus spending stood up and held up a dollar bill.
>“How was this money created?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite optimally and smugly replied
>“The money multiplier, you stupid Keynesian”
>“Wrong. Bank lending created it. If the money multiplier, as you say, is real… then it should be ten dollars now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Mankiw's Macroeconomics. He stormed out of the room crying those neoclassical crocodile tears. The students applauded and all subscribed to the The Post-Autistic Economic Review that day and accepted Keynes as their lord and saviour. An eagle named “Debt Deflation” flew into the room and perched atop a copy of Debunking Economics and shed a tear on the cover. The final sentences of The General Theory were read several times, and the ghost of Sraffa himself showed up and showed that the supply curve was flat. The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. His academic papers were burned and he died in poverty having lost all his money on the stock market.

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>mactoddlers are THIS triggered

LMAO
M
A
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>>61228839
>USA
>free market

>>61230202
Screencap?

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>>61228750
REEEEEEEEEEE

You must not cut off mothers milk!!!

#courage

>>61228920
>Marxist-Keynesian
Burger-tier education

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>>61228750
EU how could you betray me?

How dare you allow people to replace and or upgrade their ram/gpu/cpu/ssd/hdd/keyboard/screen/camera and force us to support these parts to citizens years after our support is dropped

t. jobs

>>61229235
>Smaller
>Thinner
>Lighter

It's not always true. The success of phablets contradicts the first. The form factor forbids the second, you cannot go thinner indefinitely because you need space to stock buttons and ports. Also who would want a light-as-paper device that would break on any occasion?

>all these idiots thinking anything the European Parliament passes ever gets taken seriously

Remember when they outlawed Apple's lightning connector and made them use those old USB connectors? Remember when that actually happened?

Oh wait it actually didn't happened. It was impossible to enforce and went completely ignored, like most EU laws.

>>61229985
Kekitalism BTFO. How will it ever recover?

>>61228775

> Doesn't realize more expensive repairable products are cheaper in the long run.

>>61228750
EU do some nice stuff for consumers. They recently forced your cellphone plan to work in the entire EU.

Now I can finally live stream me fucking a German goat from my phone

It's time to get rid of patents so capitalism can truly be free and btfo these eurocucks

>>61228920
legally protecting the consumer is not a call for corporate responsibility.

>>61228750
In view of the impending breakup of the EU, this proposed new law will soon be irrelevant.

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"A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them"

-jobs

U DONT KNOW WHAT U LIKE!
I TELL U WHAT TO LIKE!
#courage

>who needs repairs
JUST BUY A NEW ONE ;^)

this is just another one of the EUs big dumb waste of time regulations that is going to get ignored in the face of technology adapting and changing as fast as it does. There's no way they can define 'easy'.

If you having a laptop that's easy to take apart is your priority buy one of those Lenovo plastic things. But the best laptops are those that are made entirely of purpose built components. It allows them to be smaller and lighter.

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>apple certified parts only
>apple servicemen only
>apple specifications only
>cuck/BSD INSIDE

>>61228750
based af

>>61229130
Clevo?

>>61230401
>In view of the impending breakup of the EU

damn bro, stay woke

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>he doesnt upgrade or repair his own computer

>he pretends its not a personal computer using intel and x86_64 IBM compatible

>>61229859
>modular phones are bullshit
No they aren't. I'd like to have a phone without bloat hardware like cameras, SIM card and GPS hardware.

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>the best laptop of the decade will be outlawed in EU countries because Pavel in Poland wants to be able to put in a 2.5" HDD and have a VGA output
>it will be replaced with a 2" thick monolith that bends under its own weight

IF anyone takes this seriously

Being able to update the software on a smartphone would be nice. Also forcing hardware devs to contribute their shit back to the linux kernel like they were supposed to in the first place.

I am really loving EU these days.
>huge fines to google for advertising
>threatens Facebook and YouTube with huge fines
>tells apple to make their stuff repairable.
Now they just need to make every new phone use usb-c (or whatever, so everyone has the charger schedule of what chargers should be in products) so we can get rid of the 3 different chargers bullshit.

The companies they hurt are too big to fail, eg google and facebook basically have endless of money, so might as well make these companies do something good.
I would prefer to line them all up for the guillotines, but I guess going after their money is equally effective.

>>61230555
yeah who needs a sim card when you only call your parents' numbers

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>>61230530
>stay woke
maxine waters detected

>>61230568
This looks like a shill. I can tell based on the first part of the first sentence.

>>61228775
Not sure if trolling or braindead.

>>61230585
It's 2017. Literally everyone important to you is on facebook or at least an instant messenger. They're superior to SMS/MMS in every way.

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>>61230555
B-B-BUT BUT YOU SHOULD WANT A NON REMOVABLE BATTERY AND NON EXPANDABLE STORAGE!!!

WHY DONT YOU WANT A SOLDERED SIMCARD??!?

>>61228798
>Free market fixes itself.
>Unironically believing this meme

>>61230594
I sent this from a MacBook Pro but I doubt anyone would take me seriously if I used that example. Whatever brand you go for though, the best laptops are made from proprietary, purpose designed hardware, not fat ugly boxes with generic compliant outdated stuff inside.

>>61228750
After enabling and encouraging planned obsolescence for years now the EU suddenly wants to end it.

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>>61230575
i think the chip manufacturers would rather continue to break the GPLs laws :^)

>>61230368
Yeah, except everyone raised their prices because for some reason no one wants to fucking compete in that market.
Oh well, I'm still laughing at amerilards while shitposting from my unlimited everything plan for $18.

>>61230619
the EU is struggling to find a purpose

>>61230614
Slim form-factors are nice and all but there's little actual use for a laptop that can fit in an envelope. On the other hand being able to upgrade in the future could be useful.

>>61228856
hehe

>>61228798
guaranteed_replies.txt

vote leave

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>>61230274
Or maybe it is you who had the wrong one, ever thought of that?

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>>61230648
>"upgrade"
>Having to "upgrade"
>He doesn't use a Mac

How about just buy a new device!?
POOR LITTLE GNU/LIENUBS

GET WRECKED!!!!!
BTFO!!!
CRY SOME MORE LOSER!!!

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>>61228798
Fucking watch me
Nigger

>>61228798
if a gifted 12 year old african child can build a whole computer by himself i think i can crank out a cpu or two ;)

>>61230602
>who needs a SMS just use facebook

:)))))))))))))

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>>61230688
is that a youtube comment?

>>61230688
>it's not capitalism it's crony capitalism!!!
like the first thing marx wrote was about how the state exists to uphold class rule and promote the interests of the ruling class. crony capitalism because muh big bad gubmint is acting in corporate interest is simply capitalism.

it wasn't so obviously bad from after ww2 until about the 1970s because under fordism-keynesianism, the government played the role of mediator between productive enterprise and trade unions, and the financial sector was weak - since then, the trade unions are dead and the government exists primarily to protect the financial sector from the consequences of it's own insanity.

>>61228750
Maybe RAM and SSD will be upgradeable again on Mac. 'cause I'm not paying 300 dollars for a 250 GB SSD

>>61230581
>needed a government to tell you what fucking plug to use

hooooooooooolleeeeeeeeeeeeeee shiiiiiiiitttttt

>>61230324
Thats actually why apple started shipping usb to wall socket adapters on the other end of the lightning cable instead of a direct cable from wall AC socket to lightning

>>61230793
If it were not for EU you would still use a different proprietary connector for every one of your devices instead of micro usb and slowly USB-C.

>>61228920
Responsibility is to maximize return on share price, not maximise profits. What a fucking out of date quote to use.

>>61230634
In my country they didn't. Maybe they did in the poorer countries since they have to pay fees for richer countries.

>>61230836
Yeah, keep thinking you're/they're that important.

EU is a fucking joke and just the idea that they even need to regulate what kind of port you use to charge your devices is an awful kind of reacharound.

>>61230602
hows it going zuck?

still got tape over your microphone and webcam?

>>61230815
apple never shipped direct wall chargers for USB things. I remember my old iPod came with a usb wall socket.

>>61230866
It's fact, maybe you weren't born when every phone came with a different charger but that's how it happened.

Reminder we have the EU to thank for every modern device using USB micro connected for and a million different propriety connections.

>>61230740
It has effectively replaced SMS. And IMs have replaced MMS and calls. What's the problem?

>>61230891
lol no. In the 2000s (when anything other than USB-C was relevant) we had at least 3 variants of fucking USB, making 'universal' serial bus meaningless.

>>61230931
Fuck off kid

>>61230941
?

>>61230889
>tfw verizon, at&t, motorola, nokia ect all had their own proprietary pinned connector

>tfw it took up the whole bottom of the phone

>tfw cords costed close to $20 because of the ac/dc adapter built in

youngsters got it easy with just micro usb type a and b

>>61230849
Wow dude that's so fucking epic XDDDD LOL XD
But no, I don't live in a country that could be considered poor in any way. We don't have much tourism so maybe that's the problem.

>>61230912
the problem is you still need cellular data

you are talking about a top layer process and not the underlaying architecture

>inb4 muh wifi

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>end planned obsolescence

nazi IBM time travel?

>>61230931
usb refers to the protocol not the phsyical connection you retard

usb 3.1/3.0/2.0 can all be from a type A connector

If this does go through there's a very big chance that everyone will benefit, not just EU citizens as it will be easier to make one model for the whole world.

So quit your whining you tsundere faggots, the EU is working for you.

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>>61230990
tfw konrad zuse is back from the dead with gifts for civilization

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>>61231014
but you think this somehow solved the problem of not having a standard connection type?

>>61231072
this HAS gone though and nothing will change.

>>61231102
It needs to be voted by the commission, it's still in its early stages.

IF it does get voted, shit WILL change.

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>>61231072
Agreed.

/g/ Needs to work together for once!

>>61231124
>shit WILL change.

haha he fell for the EU meme

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>>61231072
>everyone on botnet

it's yet more market manipulation that will operate outside of its stated goal

>>61228775
probably

by the way, fuck ROHS and fuck lead-free solder.

>>61231085
the usb specification was more important than a connector at the time

now that we have a common ground for the software we are able to reduce the connectors with a improved standard

the usb specification did reduce I/O variability by a lot

the newest usb specification can carry ethernet and video over it for example

>>61228926
This is hilarious coming from Americans where over 50% of the country is non-white and the most degenerate form of black culture has taken over both music and entertainment.

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>>61231142
>tfw I can use my phone in all EU countries with no extra charges, even data
>tfw americunts have to pick a specific carrier to even get a signal and pay out of the ass for even basic service
Thank u based EU.

>>61228842
so when you need an ultra low-profile embedded device you can no longer solder the CPU right onto the motherboard, and a heatsink of some description right onto the CPU. good going EU

>>61230024
>>61230059
alright have a (you)
i chuckled

>>61231191
>>/pol/

>>61231194
yes I am in Europe too but none of this is worth the cost of federalising, when we're federalised we will be no better than the Yanks.

>>61231200
tfw your soldered BGA soc/igpu slides a micron over when its super hot and you have to now get it reballed

even then the reball isnt a perm fix

yfw you should of bought a socketed board so you could swap out the dead component or if it was a board issue you could move all the parts to a new mobo


yfw you wont though because you liked steve jobs spreading your cheeks

>>61228750
Our little manlet should move to Europe

>>61231194
>tfw I don't even need to leave my house to see hundreds of nafri & black illegal immigrants getting up to illegal nafri & black things every day
Thank u based EU.

>>61231243
wtf i hate sensible decisions now

we need to ban small form factors and force the embedded devices onto full-size ATX

>>61231268
Do you live in Detroit?

>>61231241
Meh, I like consumer rights. There's too much bureaucracy in some ways, but you do need regulation. The only rights you have in the US is the right to get fucked over by huge corporations.

>>61231268
Tfw effectively closed borders. Feels pretty good desudesu.

>>61230982
>wifi
Exactly. It's more efficient and much faster.

>>61229393
This map includes spics as white.

>>61229554
2011 here. Had one problem in 2014 and Apple repaired it for free even though I never paid for Applecare. Don't really see any reason to upgrade.

>>61231308
>effectively closed borders

fucking lmao

>>61231343
Jesus

>>61231403
It's working so I don't know what you're laughing about. It's just not very attractive for """refugees""" to come here any more. Only countries taking in fewer niggers are east bloc shitholes.

>>61231268
>tfw I don't even have to leave my bed to see thousands of spics & black citizens getting up to illegal spic & black things every day
Thank u based USA

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>>61231258

imagine louis with a british accent

>>61231513
doesn't make much difference mate, they've been here for years and breed at least 5 children per couple. It's these second generation ones that are the terrorists.

It's done for and laughable to make it out as if there's not a problem. The problem is relevant and permanent.

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>>61231513
> . Only countries taking in fewer niggers are east bloc shitholes.

>>61231513
Thank God, I consider West Yurop a completely different continent than East Yurop, mostly because West isn't even 80% white anymore.

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>>61231622

>it sucks so much to live in poland that even refugees from war torn wastelands don't want to move there

yeah. how "based". definitely a model for us all to emulate

>>61228750
when was the last time your macbook stopped working because of hardware damage? maybe you broke the screen or spilled coffee on it.
Not too worry anon, easily replacable screens and keyboards on your way at the premium apple price ofcourse. Expect now ram, ssd and cpu to be encased in metal so they dont get damaged easily (dont even think for one second and that you will be able to *upgrade* your shit)

>>61231666
Whatever you say pal

>>61231513
>thousands have been let in
>they breed at an uncontrollable rate and refuse to even learn about safe sex
>Europe is insisting on having unregulated borders between member states

I hope your mother and sister have bought their Hijabs. By the end of the decade Sharia law will rule regions of Europe.

>>61228750
Looks like a face

>>61228946
We're not in a free market, nor have we ever been, so what are you basing this assumption of yours off of?

>>61228798
Lol let's see you crack open that Surface Pro 4
Whoops! It's broke forever :^D

>>61228925
If you have a problem with it just don't buy their products, oh wait Ireland is a cuck island who bends over for every tech company on the globe. Too bad!

>>61231569
The only way to improve my current situation is moving to Finland. I'm already great at not talking to other people so I should fit right in.
>>61231699
>Europe is insisting on having unregulated borders between member states
And? If you're a worthless cunt you won't benefit from moving from another EU country to my country, so people just don't come here.

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>>61228750
What are all the black boxes in the pic? batteries?

>>61231749
If they have a problem with the law in the EU they can just stop selling their products there, oh wait they will just bend over and take the dick like the good cucks they are.

>>61231739
As long as they aren't murdering people in the name of god - no, they are not as obsessed as muslims.

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>>61231739
>poland is full of extermist christian terrorists
wew fuckin lad

>>61231750
If you're from Poland the EU is planning on building entire villages of muslims there. You can't hide in irrelevancy forever, there's only so much land in Europe and your country will eventually develop.

>>61231760
Cum

>>61231760
Yup.

>>61231791
>If you're from Poland
I'm obviously not. Poland would be one of the east bloc shitholes I was referring to.

>>61231337
>he doesnt leave his house

how do you get a message on the road?


>inb4 i have to stop at a mcdonalds/starbux/library like a fool

>>61229268
Any country that has nukes could wipe America within days, if there was a war between America and Europe, Europe would win because we would be backed by Russia which would be backed by china

>>61231760
to prevent grubby little tinkering hands who want to save a couple bucks

if you open them your warrenty is over

dont get too curious ;)

>>61231923
>he doesnt no china is in conflict with russian and that trump and putin are bros

>he doesnt know UK/AUS/Japan/canada will be on our side

I know that France already got a similar law, forcing manufacturers to keep producing parts for their product for like 2 years after designed life span, and stuff like that, but didn't a few American states also got a similar law recently?

>>61231961
>Japan on your side
>after you nuked their innocent civilians in ww2

>>61231750
>relying on your country to be a horrible shithole in order to avoid the muslim invasion

what a way to live

>>61229255

I have serious doubts on what that article claims. Unlike America, the only Apple product with good sales over here is the iPhone, there was a bit of novelty purchases of iPads on release but that's it.

t.Ex-tech shop salesman

Infact I just read the article, and lo and behold:

>The iPad is now the primary computer at home.
>73 percent of those interviewed said they use their laptop or desktop computer less. 38 percent use their mobile phone less.

The bus doesn't become my main form of transportation if I start using it 2 days/month instead of one. Clickbait title.

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>>61231923
>he thinks putin would back the (((EU)))

LOL

he would take that opportunity to DP you from the other side just like old times ;)

america in your throat russian in your ass

uk will probably slip into your vagoo too

after we will leave you drenched for the refugees to have their turn

>>61228750
So politicians are saying they want modular smartphones, smartwatches and tablets?

That's not viable at all. Stop dreaming /g/

>>61231986
now i know you are retarded

abe was the first country leader to meet with trump personally

hes worried about chinas expansion and also NK

he personally asked for trumps protection idiot ;)

>>61232024
No, that's not what they say.

>>61232024
they are saying they want the ability to service their dishwasher themselves or by a 3rd party alternative specialist and the ability to order parts long after that model is out of production

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can you not convert every /g/ thread into /pol/?

>>61231999
But it's not. We've just done everything we can to make it hell for these poor, poor souls. Cut benefits, made it harder to bring their family here, shit like that.

This discussion has basically turned to /pol/.

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>>61232093
hush munchkin.
grownups are talking

>>61229849
>dealer-level ecu info
nigger, obd2 tells you practically nothing, it's an emissions protocol, and CAN is basically as useless.
(and, plus, if your car has CAN, you're probably jewed enough by now that touching the ecu is a felony)
>you really want jamal to .. churn out keys?
yes, if i wanted my car to be secure the doors would have a 25+ digit hexadecimal password, and it would require a different one to start it.
anything else is security by obscurity, physical keys that transmit cryptographic keys are just asking for it.

>>61228750
I bought a Macbook because I wanted a thin and lightweight laptop with a nice display. Wanting this means I need to settle for a obviously difficult to repair laptop. I bought it anyways knowing this but you fucktards think you're smarter than everyone else so you're using government to outlaw my purchase. This thinking is exactly why your economies are shit and you idiots turn to socialism or blame jews instead of fucking off.

>>61232133
obd2 is more than just emissions

On board diagnostics

you can tell air flow/rpm/temp/throttle/knock multiple other sensors and diagnostics including errors

>>61232144
>exactly why your economies are shit
Remind be again, how large is your debt?

>>61232144
this wouldnt make anything illegal you idiot

have you even read RTR?

>>61228842
>>61229482
But new iPhones still sell by the millions.

>>61232167
https://nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html
Regardless this is not an excuse for being older with double the population but lagging behind economically.

>>61232193
You're the fucking idiot. The Macbook is probably what they're using as a fucking example. If it's not being affected what is the point in this stupid law. You think "Electronic devices should be robust and easily repairable" does not mean 5000 pages of regulations? Or do you think the Macbook has a fucking removable battery?

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>>61228750
Its finally good to be Europe again.

>>61228750
Good, less garbage on earth.

>>61229268
not an argument

>>61231241
I wish we're going to get completely federalized and everyone will pay same taxes and vats all over the eu. I pay 48% of income tax currently and over 20% value added tax for everything, not to mention alcohol tax for beer and spirits. My company pays taxes worth quarter of its income annually. Companies in ireland etc pay miniscule amount and we're on the same market.

If we're on the same market without any tariffs, I think we should be taxed the same. Me having to pay half of my income in taxes is utterly unfair when there are neets collecting free money from government with no strings attached.

good job fucking yourself over EU, now apple is going to make the casing of the MBP soft as shit so when you drop it, it is destroyed and needs to be replaced for a out of warranty fee.

good job EU, very good job.

>>61232144
>>61232321

Typical assblasted macfag. This law is about right to repair, doesnt concern you. This is about companies making it impossible to repair their devices without any reason to do so. You are a twat if you cant see the difference.

Kinda related to this topic, I had two of my surface pro's die on me and I decided not to buy newer one solely because of their unrepairability. I moved onto thinkpad series and now I can fix my laptop given the need to do so. Todays news said that surface line's popularity is decreasing. Now, why would that be..