/pcbg/ - PC Building General

First for FUCK YOU RAJA

>>61200688
d-don't worry navi will be good

>>61200700
>2017
>Trusting Raja
>FE is more than 500mm when Raja said it will be sub 500
>People think RX is going to be sub 500mm and perform better than a 1080

>>61200683
>7700k

Ha, that's a good one, anon!

Which hdd is the fastest without being too loud? All I have is a WD Blue from an old computer and need to supplement my ssd.

Are there any legit places that sell Windows 7 codes? I have the home premium disk from years ago, but already used the code. I have no access to any other computer so can't download an OS either.
The only other alternative is travelling to a distant store and buying Windows 10, neither of which I really want.

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Does anyone know of an AM4 board that can hit 3200mhz with 32gb of ram?

Will intel ever lower the price on their 1151 socket lineup?

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>>61200761
>intel
>lower prices

>>61200744
Kinguin although that is pretty grey

Is this a good deal?

http://www.frys.com/product/9197658?site=sa%3Aadpages+page%3AP129+date%3A070217

>>61200825
Pretty grey?>>61200825

>>61200892
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_market

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>>61200863

>>61200928
I don't know how that is relatable

>>61200683
>NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor.
Okay, so what SSD should I buy then?

Can I permacrash my PC if I boost RAM speed through Ryzen Master and the RAM is not able to achieve the particular speed? I have 3000mhz sticks but I can't get them to go more than 2400mhz through the BIOS, was thinking of trying Ryzen Master for the same. Any body has any experience with that?

I just don't want to brick shit.

>>61201134
Sata

>>61200928
h-how tall are they?

>>61201137
No you won't brick anything. If you can't achieve the clock, you get instability or crashes. At worst, you soft lock your clock and are unable to boot, then you just remove the CMOS or if you have a fancy mobo, hit the reset button and try again.

>>61201158
Thanks for the info mate. I was worried because the Mobo used to throwup a can't over clock error whenever I tried to boost through BIOS. I thought I might just fuck shit up through Ryzen Master.


Any idea why I can't get RAM past 2400MHZ? I updated the bios and am using recommended DOCP profiles. I will admit that I bought a cheapo motherboard (Asus A320) but even that supports 2600MHZ stock and upto 3200 on OC, but my RAM just refuses to go past 2400. I am at wits end here

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>>61201151
Probably like 5'8"

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>>61201151
They're standing on something, unless they all have freakishly-long lower legs. The magic of cinema.

>>61201200
>Any idea why I can't get RAM past 2400MHZ?
Is your RAM on the QVL?

>>61200928
Wow, it's neat to see that they have ankles like a foot off the ground.

>>61201234
No, I checked. But the QVL hasn't been updated since April, and I bought the only 3000mhz RAM I could find. It was probably a stupid decision and I regret it , but there must be some way to get it to 3000Mhz or somewhere close to it.

>>61201272
>No, I check.
Well there you go. Let me guess Ryzen right?

>There must be some way
Try updating your BIOS. Otherwise you are shit out of luck until ASUS adds compatibility or get a new mobo.

>>61201298
Guess I'll have to wait for updates then. The last update made the RAM run at 2400, up from the 2100 it was stuck at, so I'm hoping that things will sort themselves out in the future.


Any chance boosting from Ryzen Master will work?

https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/XG9MHN
+ GTX1050 / ti.

>>61201328
Probably not. That is why the QVL notice was added to the OP. Too many people buying RAM not on their mobo QVL and then coming here wondering why their RAM isn't clocking at the speed it was advertised.

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which one should I choose?

>>61201341
Thanks for the help guys. Never bothered checking QVL's with DDR3 before, as everything used to work on everything. Lesson learnt I guess. Gonna pray that ASUS add support some day.

>>61201391
>Never bothered checking QVL's with DDR3 before
AM4 is a new platform which is why. You won't find this problem with intel cause their platform is mature. Give the manufacturers time. They will sort this out with new bios hopefully or worse new mobos.

What case do you guys recommend for an Intel 7700k/GTX 1080Ti build?

is this good for the money?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GTG9HN

>>61201577
Yeah it's pretty good

>>61201560
P400S

>>61201330
>i3 6100
Get a G4560/g4600 instead, performs pretty much the same for much cheaper.
A cooler for such a weak (& unlocked CPU) also doesn't make much sense.

Are magnetic screwdrivers really that bad? The guide says they will fuck up your components but surely they are too weak to do anything

d-does it sucks?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wkKXd6

what power supply would you choose?

>>61201629
Magnetic screwdrivers to deal with casing shit.
Everything else use a normal screwdriver.

>>61201661
>7700K
>$215 motherboard
>$580 SSD
>1070

What the fuck are you doing?

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Is this monitor any good? LG 29UM68-P.
It's 29" IPS ultrawide,75hz, with freesync, 5ms response time.
If it's good, will it work well with an rx 470?
Gonna be using for gaming and programming

when will the gpu prices get lower ?

>>61201720
never

Gold, Platinum or Titanium?

>>61201661
what usage

>>61201749
overwatch gayming

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bought cpu, now just need ram and gpu
hoping prime day isn't shit this year

>>61200863
Anyone?

>>61201661
Evga G3 750w

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So i cleansed my computer, also aplied a new thermal paste. At first maybe much, after reaplying again it was good amount.
So when i start up my PC, everything is good. I can browse the net, do some things.
But whenever i try to play any game, the computer autoshotdowns within seconds-
Also tried a new CPU fan. Is there a chance that maybe my VGA (fan) died?
6 year old PC

>>61201765
Why do you need a 7700k, AIO, GTX 1070 and a 1TB SSD to play overwatch?

>>61201834
>>61201765
I use a I-57 3570k @ stock with a 970 also stock getting 144fps + max settings.


Refer to >>61201707


Refer to

I can get this PC for 780$, is it a good deal?
(I live on a island in europe so i can not get the best deals on pcpartpicker or something like that):

Case: Antec P190+1200 , 650w + 550w (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129028)
CPU: i7-3770
Memory: 4x4GB @ 1600 MHz (16GB)
Graphics: EVGA Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB
RAM - 16GB
Motherboard: MSI7681
Storage: 2 x 3TB HDD
Wireless network
BlueRay writer

>>61201874
please drink lots of water
staying hydrated during hot times is very important

>>61201923
i forgot to mention it is used computer.

>>61201923
Given current 1060 prices and your location, it's a solid deal. CPU isn't the best if it's a non-K 3770, but at least it's a P67 motherboard, so you could drop one in later.

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Hello guys. I'm building a computer and purchased this huge heatsink. How is the fans supposed to blow?

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sexy

Why do $100 1080p screens look so shit? I mean I have one from 5 years ago. Are they any better now at same price point?

>>61202190
>How is the fans supposed to blow?
what

>>61201874
>>>leddit

>>61202190
That looks good bro. Having them blowing directly at each other like that creates a supercool vortex inside your machine that's better than LN2.

>>61201829
Leave your case open and look at the fan when you play games?

>>61202291
TN panels

>>61202291
Time to get IPS

any software or other difference except for price/performance ratio between amd and intel, only had intel.

Can a PSU that runs all sata power through the same cable kill all but one HDD? I have a bad PSU, and I was testing my components on my friend's brand new one. After switching the connections, only 1/4 of my HDDs, all on the same cable, work. I removed them and tested them individually and they're dead. Wtf happened?

>>61202361
it shutdowns in 10 sec or less.... doesn't seem the fan getting faster

>>61202509
Only when playing games?
Check connection.
Make sure your GPU is properly connected.
If not RIP

>>61201829
Is it a hard shut down or is it a reboot?

>>61202542
Hard. Totally shutdowns and cannot be turned on for few minutes
>>61202534
Only when playing games that are close to recommend system. So a Starcraft or Diablo 2 runs without problem. But Serius Sam HD encounder or Dawn of War 2 auto hardshutdowns the machine.

>>61202534
Oh yeah, it seems only game. When using Autocad i didn't encounter this problem.

>>61202568
rip in pieces

I got two USB 2.0 cables in my case but only one connector in my mobo. How does this work. Does it matter?

>>61202809
Well, just connect one and only that one will work.

>>61202951
What should I do if u want them all to work? This was a fairly expensive mobo...

>>61202968
did you cheap out on the case? it should have more 3.0 than 2.0

Sice you have an exensive mobo, it should have at least 2X3.0 connectors.

~~things~~ n stuff

[spoiler]how bout this[/spoiler]

>>61202380

There seems to be plenty of "22 IPS panels at $100. Do you think they're worth as a quick upgrade? (to a five year old "22 TN). I'll get something nicer later on.

>>61203050
Yeah I got some 3.0 and some 2.0

>>61203114
I personaly cant fucking stand TN.

I wish OLED get's the color loss and oversaturation issues controlled when they hit mainstream audience, so I can pick a pair up.

>>61203076
>>61203060
you have to go back
>>>/8ch/

>>61202968
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7HN5EG0785&cm_re=Internal_USB_Hub-_-17-116-035-_-Product

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>>61201829
it seems my no name power supply is kind of dead or something. After looking tho everything.

What's a a good toolset to build a pc?

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All my case fans got these pin connectors. I don't really understand how to deal with them.

>>61202190
Either to the back of the case (preferred) to get that hot air OUT or up.
If you blow it down, you're just blowing hot air down on your GPU, and if you blow it to the front it will fuck up the airflow of the whole thing

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>>61203863
You plug them in something like this (but not the CPU fan one)
Sometimes it's 3 pin instead

>>61203378
Lucky that your hardware isn't damaged.

I need a ips 1080p display that wont make me remorse buying it.

Any ideas?

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>>61200761
>this goy thinks Intel(R) will lower the prices

>>61204118
But the cables got pins pointing outwards as well. They aren't like the cpu fan cables. Sorry for the stupid questions anon. I'm almost done building my computer.

>>61203863
>>61204083
The pins in the first picture are for daisy-chaining fans together so you can use less mobo pins.

>>61204121
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16824009484

>>61204190
Is that so ? There is some cables that already is chained and but they all end with these cabels that got the pins sticking out of them. I'm going to run a game to see if they only spin under heat, but i don't think thats the case. I was also not able to find the LED cable for some reason..
This is a new case that costed a lot of money. You would think that everything was just to plug into the mobo...

>>61201710
I have 29UM67-P and it's bretty gud

>>61204118
Well it worked for six year....
Actually it was bought pre-made. So i never really checked the power supply

>>61203796
regular screwdriver with magnetic tip
a bunch of zip ties
allen wrench or hex key
that's really it

Is a 30~ usd saving enough to buy a 580 over a 1060?

is a 1080 worth the extra $200 over a 1070?

>>61204460
Neither of those cards are worth it right now. Wait 6 months to a year for prices to settle.

>>61201228
MANLET IN DENIAL

>>61204431
Thanks

What is the best brand for GeForce GTX 1070?

I was planning on going with EVGA until I realized it was out of stock everywhere in Canada

>>61204629
Whatever one you can find, because they're all out of stock or overpriced thanks to miners. It doesn't fucking matter anyway.

FUCK MOTHERBOARD MANUFACTURERS WHO PUT NON CONTROLLABLE FAN CONNECTORS ON THEIR BOARD
FUCK YOU

I was going to build a PC but a friend said you need specifically Ryzen compatible rams, otherwise they wouldn't work at 3200 mhz. Is this true?

>>61204719
>WHO PUT NON CONTROLLABLE FAN CONNECTORS ON THEIR BOARD
Anus did. What triggers me more is the fact that space for more ports or fan headers is being sacrificed in favour of muh gaymen RGB headers, fuck this.

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Guys I dont get it, I can get my new 1600x to run stable at 3.9 with 1.36 vcore but anything above 3.9 crash within 5 sec even if i crank up the voltage to 1.45.

Yet if I leave it on stock all those fucking cores turbo to 4.0ghz with like 1.4v or to 4.1 with 1.45, what I am doing wrong? Pic related.

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>tfw building a pc is too complicated for me
>the GPU issue is making things worse
I'll probably just end up buying a pre made tonight and hate myself

>>61205160
why is it too complicated for you

>>61205160
Building a PC is piss easy but feel free to pay the normie tax.

>>61205173
>>61205197
I dunno, I'm not usually a moron but this shit just confuses me.
Like I want something pretty darn powerful but I don't want to get memed into overpriced garbage.
Even when I do think I've got an idea some review or some anon comes out saying how product X is secretly shit and this other thing I didn't consider is the best.
I can't shake the feeling I'll build a tower of trash

>>61205246
We all started with literally zero knowledge. Lurk more, read reviews but DO NOT believe everything you read, there's too much shilling nowadays, make up your mind, make a build and ask here whether it's good or not.

>>61205292
>Lurk more
Yea, will do. I'm just eager to finally build one now that I've got cash

>>61205315
You chose the worst possible time. The only GPUs available right now are the budget 1050Ti and the high-end 1080(Ti), no mid range GPUs.
If you can wait for RX Vega release, maybe things will change, maybe mining craze will crash and burn soon, otherwise we're all in no GPU purgatory until Volta release in 2018.

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I'm about to buy a second monitor since it's on a stupid good sale right now. What mounts are better, desk clamps or stands? One obviously clamps on the sides of a desk and the other one is a pretty much a stand that holds two monitors. I'm currently looming at the the VIVO ones.

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FggvGf

I think we got it, boys. Need this baby for 1080/1440p gaming with some streaming on the side.

>>61205338
This is what I meant. Like fuck, I just want to build my PC. Kikes

>>61205398
Check QVL to avoid RAM issues. 1080 FE is shit, get a custom card, maybe get a smaller case if you don't need ODD and imo get an aftermarket cooler.
The Wraith Spire is good but not that good. You want something better for OC. Rest looks fine.

>>61205402
Blame the miners and their autism. Hope those faggots will crash and burn soon. ISIS should stop fucking up Syria and hunt those fucking miners to death.

>>61200760
I think any of the B350 or X370 should be able to do that with the BIOS updated.

I've seen OC guides that get 3200mhz in RAM using the MSI Tomahawk MB

I can't seem to find the ram qvl for the gigabyte GA-AB350M-HD3
Does someone have it or know where I can find it?

I have a 390

I want to move up to a 1080

I also want a 1440p QLED monitor

But should i just get a 4k ips/tn/lcd whatever for the same price?

>>61204474
>wait a fucking year for a small amount of money saved

Fuck off poorfag neet

>>61205517
Manufacturers website, doofus.

>>61205568
Reply to me you piece of shit

>>61205568
Found it under the gaymen advertisements now, sorry for the inconvenience

is the 1600x worth buying over 1600?

>>61205586
>>61205600
That's some world class autism, m8.

>>61205606
Depends on the usage and budget

>>61205629
Loser meltdown look

When does ryzen get integrated graphics

>>61205568
Well sorry for being so annoying to you

I'd like to buy an older gpu ( new ones are expensive because of large demand by miners ) for gpgpu purpose. I've been thinking of buying a hd 7950. 384 bit bandwith is really good ( as far as I remember, in opencl, in most cases, bandwith is the bottleneck ) and it comes with good linux drivers.

Also: are thermaltake coolers fine if I want good socket compatibility and I fon't mind some assembly. ( They seem to be the IKEA of coolers )

Any advice is appreciated.

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>>61205665

>>61205735
Lol meltdown!!!!!!

>>61204158
>autistic screeching
i love the mods on here, promoting amd and hate speech

>>61202190
Back ------------------------------------------------------------------Front
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>>61204982
Isn't it because Ryzen has XFR enabled? I also got a 1600x but waiting on my GPU to arrive to build my pc

>>61205398
>X370
>one GPU

>>61205606
You get faster clock speeds but less cores than 1700.

IMHO 1600x is worth it if you want to have 3.9Ghz (+4.0 if you're lucky) guaranteed but don't care for the two extra cores Ryzen 7 provides

If you don't care about 3.9Ghz clocks and would rather keep the stock cooler get the 1600 or 1500

I'm looking for a cpu to pair with my gtx 1080.
Is it Ryzen all the way when considering something in the price range of the 7600K/7700K?

I plan on doing some gaming but I don't yet know how much, and I need it to be able to power a few VMs

>>61205851

Yes but if xfr can reach 4.1 (1-2 at the time mind you) then why can't I even get 3.95 with the same voltage or more. It doesn't make sense to me.

>>61205442
Any advice on cards? Only reason I even picked the FE is because there doesn't seem to be many GPUs out there that fit my build due to all of the mining shit going on.

>>61206034
Most custom 1080's are fine, just stay away from MSI Armor and EVGA ACX and maybe the Zotac cards if you're noise sensitive, they can get pretty loud.
Good cards are Galax/KFA HOF/EX/EXOC, MSI Gaming X, EVGA iCX, Gigabyte Aorus, Asus STRIX, Palit/Gainward Jetstream/Game Rock/Phoenix and PNY XLR. You see that most are fine.

>>61205888
is it viable to keep the stock cooler on the 1600 if you dont intend on OCing?

i mean thats more pocket change saved there if you dont need a cooler

>>61206133
absolutely, it's a great stock cooler

Would anyone pay $280 for this monitor? Haven't found a g sync any cheaper. Also would I need to play fps for 144hz to make a difference?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236785

Boys need some pricing help here.

Found a used 1060 6GB for 300€ (350$). In my country you probably won't find them cheaper.
I know It's a good price considering the mining boom but is it a good price overall? Like say there was no mining boom and the cards were all their regular price.
What even is a non-inflated regular price for the 1060 6GB?

Should I just wait a month or two?

>>61206133
yeah you can OC with the stock cooler, just not as much with a 3rd party one.

>>61206210
>a good price overall?

Absolutely not. That's a retarded price for a 1060. Wait out the mining boom before you even think about buying a GPU unless you're thinking about a 1080, they're not too bad right now.

Non inflated 1060 6gb was like $270 or something like that

>>61206210
>a used 1060 6GB for 300€
Do not. Even for new 1060 cards 300€ is too much and considering it's a used card it's even worse.

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>>61206006
I'll probably just go with something like this. I really look forward to some VR ...

Now to look at mobos. I had just decided on the Z270E from Asus but that won't do with a 1600X

All i want is a motherboard that wont figjt with me over...
>Ryzen (wew lad)
>libreboot
>ECC memory
>PCie shit
>IOMMU
>quadchannel memory

Is THAT SO HARD???

>>61206245
>>61206305
Okay, thanks guys.

Fucking miners man, was planning to finally upgrade the GPU from an ancient HD6850. Now even if the prices do go back down in a few months I won't have free time anymore because Uni starts again and etc.

>>61206405
Then buy Intel. You don't need the first two on your list.

>>61206405
threadripper

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ypx8cc

Will that ASUS card fit in most mid tower cases? I kept getting that error at the bottom about the case maybe not being big enough, regardless of size.

>>61206459
Do they list the size of the card? Then you can match that with the specs of your desired tower.

>>61206410
That sucks. Imo either stick with your GPU or get a 1050Ti for 150€ before they cost 200€, prices are already going up. The 1050Ti should be fine until Volta or whatever comes after it.

>>61206459
>Will that ASUS card fit in most mid tower cases?
Yes it should but you may have to uninstall an optional HDD cage to fit it in. Check case clearance on manufacturers page. Asus is like 320mm or something, check that, too.

>>61206475
>>61206497
>card is 298mm
>case can support upt o 310mm w/ cages

That's gonna be a bit snug.

>>61206551
Nah, it's fine. Power connection is on the long side so there's no conflict the only thing that will possibly be blocked are the additional STRIX fan connectors for case fans.
If that's an issue uninstall the HDD cage, install fans and reinstall HDD cage if needed.

>>61206643
Since we're on the subject, what are some of the best cases out there for cooling purposes? I honestly don't care what it looks like as long as it keeps my parts cooled.

Think the new mining craze will fizzle out in a few months, or the dedicated mining cards being put out will mean consumer cards are freed up?

>>61206697
>what are some of the best cases out there for cooling purposes?
Not silent cases like the R5, obviously. Idk about current cases but generally not those with a closed front like most InWin and NZXT cases.
Look at open front cases with maybe some kind of mesh + dustfilter that have rear and top vents and of course bottom with dust filters.
Imo go trough manufacturers websites and take a look at the cases, everything that is according to above criteria should be fine.

What's the best PC build if I want to play games in 1080p60fps on an IPS panel, watch anime, and read manga?

Should an XPS 15 (laptop with a 1050, good display, over $1k), or just build my own desktop instead and buy an IPS monitor?

>>61207206
>mobile 1050
>1080p60fps
Very not happening.

>>61206459
You can get a 1080ti for almost that same cost. I've seen 1080's for $450 on slickdeals within the last week

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k6BMHN

Looks like I'm going Corsair again for the case.

Doing my first build tomorrow lads, any tips

>>61206210
>used 1060 for 300€
>good price
The mindwashing is complete. Start the next phase!

What does memory initialization error mean when you don't have any RAM plugged in the mobo?

Gigabyte mobo

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>>61207412
Put at least one stick in there

>>61207374
that price for 1080 is retarded. you can get 1080ti for not much more

>>61207450
Yeah, but they're FE cards, which I've been told to stay away from.

>>61207482
Here you go retard. Pretty good deal desu.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HDUVJ2M/?tag=pcpapi-20

>>61207412
It means you have no fucking RAM.

>>61207537
>out of stock
Thanks for nothing, genius.

Is Fractual design define R4 black pearl darker than black R5?

>>61207581
>Can't wait 1 to 4 weeks to save $200

Must be nice being stupid with your money. What game is so pressing atm that you just have to play?

Checking QVL is only needed with AMD MOBOs?

>>61207593
Wtf. It literally just said out of stock when I clicked and now it says 1-4 weeks. What kind of advanced trolling is this?

>>61207604
Kinf of yes, but regardless what you buy you always want to check the QVL. Intel has virtually no RAM issues because like 99% of all kits are designed to work with Intel and feature XMP.

>>61207374
why change r5 to corsair 450d

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Pls r8 my build I desperately need validation ive never spent this much on anything before

Ryzen 1700
G skill flare X 3200mhz 16gb
Gb ab350 gaming 3
Strix 1080ti
Corsair Rm650x (wanted EVGA but out of stock in country)
P400s case
Aoc ag352ucg 1440p ultrawide 100hz
Some Noctua fans and shit

Pls tell me its cool or j will kill myself

Should I update the Bios before installing windows?

>>61207744
doesn't change anything

>>61207728
>Corsair Rm650x
DUMP THIS SHIT
FUCK CORSAIR
WHY DO THEY CALL THIS RM? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO RMA IT

>>61207728
>G skill flare X 3200mhz 16gb
Most likely overpriced as fuck.
Rest seems fine but imho you should get a better mobo like the Asus B350 STRIX, a custom cooler and OC the living shit out of the 1700.

>>61207422
>>61207574
Same trouble with RAM

Just trying to see if I can get in bios

>>61207584
darker than your soul

>>61207850
Either you have a bad mobo, bad RAM, or you have a few bent pins on the CPU/Socket.

>>61207823
and should the usb be formatted to fat32 or does it not matter?

>>61207866
Must have sapped the Mobo since I didn't touch CPU

>>61207850
Did you check if your RAM was compatible with the mobo at stock speeds? There are mobos out there that are still old stock from before BIOS updates and are a fucking pain in the ass.

>>61200761
i got an i5 7600k for 180 dollars at microcenter yesterday feelsgoodman

asrock ab350m pro4
CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB)
CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
Ryzen 1600
Any chance the RAM is compatible with the motherboard? Just curious if anyone else has this setup and it's working okay before I buy.

>>61207972
>feels good to be a corelet

>>61207872
the software that you will use for this will take care of that, you don't have to worry about it.

>>61207972
You shouldn't feel good about making such a stupid decision, you paid slightly more than an R5 1600 (without cooler) and yet are getting worse performance.

Anyone have any experiences in mini ATX cases?

I really like the idea of a small desktop but I don't want it to degrade the performance that much. I ideally want it for general gaming and projects with virtual machines.

>>61208426
Hot and crowded, absolutely shit too build the pc.

>>61208426
>I ideally want it for general gaming and projects with virtual machines
Ideally you want Ryzen then. Problem is the only ITX boards for Ryzen are by Biostar which sucks. Try to build a mATX in something that offers enough storage options. Most SFF cases do not.

>>61208477
>virtual machines
Does Ryzen properly support IOMMU/passthrough/VT-d yet?
Google says it doesn't look so good.

>>61208512
Idk the specifics because i don't use advanced features on my VM's for college but i can run them. At first i had the issue that virtualization was not possible but then i figured the settings in the BIOS were not enabled.
If there are some features you absolutely need then either look into it and hope Ryzen will do, otherwise your only choice is the 7700K for a SFF build. Idk if there are mATX or ITX boards for Xeons, but that is an alternative.

>>61208558
I'm trying to run Qubes 4, and it basically wants the latest everything.
They didn't support any desktop AMD CPUs previously (only some Opterons), but I'm hoping Ryzen changes this.

>>61208512
I don't know any details but the agesa 1.0.0.6 did improve things related to what you're talking about
>If you’re the kind of user that just needs (or loves!) virtualization every day, then AGESA 1.0.0.6-based firmware will be a blessing for you thanks to fresh support for PCI Express® Access Control Services (ACS). ACS primarily enables support for manual assignment of PCIe® graphics cards within logical containers called “IOMMU groups.” The hardware resources of an IOMMU group can then be dedicated to a virtual machine.

>>61208587
Guess the safe bet really is Jewtel then. If you want to run multiple VM's with workloads you may want to invest into a Xeon, i doubt that the 7700K will handle everything very well but that's the only choice for SFF builds.
Ryzen 7 1700 would be so much better. We all can only hope that the industry reacts to it and prepares for Ryzen 2 in 2018. They should have recognized the potential by then.

Going for the most powerful gaming pc without going too WACKO
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZKBnVY
How does it look ?

I have a 24pin connector to power my motherboard that came with my PSU (fully modular). Only problem is I don't like how stiff it is which makes it sit in front of my GPU. Would buying a custom cable still work with the PSU and what sites would be recommended (if cable managing is a thing in this general)?

>>61208762
>without going too WACKO
>$2k+ already

>>61208762
Why such an expensive motherboard?

>>61208762
>not including 2000 dollar CPU
>0/10

>>61208794
Well it is pretty wacko. I am trying to make something pretty high end tho
>>61208820
If Im being honest Im really bad at looking for motherboards so a suggestion would help

>580 notify from newegg
>sold out

What the fuck

>>61208849
asus prime b350 plus

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>>61206430
> wanting a lanelet housefire machine

>>61209060
Buying a B350 board for an 8-core is retarded. All of them have garbage VRMs compared to even a mid-range X370 board (plus small, crappy heatsinks), and will get very hot trying to overclock one of the 8-cores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

The Prime X370-Pro would be a better fit. It has a top tier VRM layout (using the same NexFETs found on the Crosshair), but is reasonably-priced at about $150.

>>61209092
The AsRock Pro4 has the best features for it's price.

>>61209092
>x370 have better VRM therefore b350 will literally melt / shutdown / etc on an eight core
bold claim to make, anon.

>>61209143
Okay? It still has a mediocre VRM setup and makes no sense to pair with one of the 8-cores. In fact, it has one of the worst VRM setups of a B350 board, with a 3+3 phase design. ASCock were clever in that they used two MOSFETs for every phase though, which has tricked a lot of gullible people into thinking it's a 6+3 design, when in fact it's a straight 3+3 (not even doubled, because the voltage controller they used isn't even capable of doubling).

>>61209149
Either watch the video or stop posting, dumbshit. I'm not going to type the whole thing out for you.

is it acceptable to cut into my vrm heatsink to fit a cooler?

>>61209264
just have good airflow inside the case anon

>>61205707
Never. Why will AMD cannibalize a market where they have a dedicated product?

>>61208068
How about you check the QVL?

>>61209092
Well thanks for the rec anon !

>6700k not overclocked, with noctua fan, reaches 80c~ in witcher 3

what the fuck? everything is properly seated and yes there is thermal paste

>>61209478
APUs on the end of the year, and looking at the presence of graphic ports on am4 motherboards,, desktop too

>>61209560
They are going to ask RTG to do that?
Maybe end of next year then given how incompetent RTG has been so far.

>>61209557
>yes there is thermal paste
Exactly.

>>61209637
hehehehehe

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pNKfLD

Am I ready yet?

>>61209637
>>61209672
wßt

>>61209680
did ANUS fix their shit with am4 boards yet?

>>61209680
are you seriously buying a cheap ryzen with all of that? really, and amd with 1080 ti?

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>get new motherboard, have to put cpu cooler back on
>cpu idles at 55C now
>run prime95
>cpu shoots up to 99C within a second

gee i wonder what isnt working

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Someone posted this yesterday and I'm fairly new still, so I'm wondering what exactly makes this bad?
Still trying to learn how to go about building a PC so the insight could help me understand what makes a product good or bad. It has good reviews but I get you don't just take them for their word.

>>61209721
most prebuilts will have a fairly hefty premium attached to them and will use subpar parts. 1TB is too little space nowadays and is probably a bad brand, 120GB SSD isn't that useful, it probably has a cheapo power supply that'll knock your components out when it fails, and i imagine it'll be a bitch to upgrade.

>>61209747
plus shit marketed towards gamers is always expensive as shit for crap parts

>>61209560
is apu the integrated gpu?

>>61201710
My bro got one last month and he's really happy with it, and he fell for the gtx970 meme so no freesync. Really good value for the price at 270 something €

Should I get a Ryzen 1600x or a FX-8350, the FX is 4.0 at 8 Cores, but the 1600x is 3.6 at 6 cores. Wouldn't the FX be stronger?

>>61209692
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZKBnVY
There's no point in spending an extra 150$ on an 1800x just for an extra 100mhz

>>61209905
Ignore that pcpartpicker list

wanna upgrade my girls pc.

amd fx-4100
4gb ddr3
hd6850

trying to stay under $350 to upgrade these specific parts. she has a 420 watt psu, so itd be nice to not have to upgrade that too. any ideas?

is a 1050ti enought for 1080 gaming? mostly mmos.

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Why isnt my meme cpu showing the temperatur ?

>>61209929
That CPU is a huge bottleneck

My budget is $39.

What can I build for that?

I also want something small to place near a TV.

>>61210038
for $39 scour thrift stores and craiglist for used laptops and prebuilts. look for core 2 duos or AMDs that aren't over 10 years old or so. bonus points for hyper threaded anything. if you dont need the screens on the laptop just rip them out. make sure it has a proper video out. bonus points for HDMI, but i'd run it at 720p for performance

or just get a raspberry pi or something along those lines and slap some slim version of linux and emulators on there.

if you post your actual budget we can help :^)

>>61209692
Dude, every decent 1070 and 1080 card I look at are in the price range of the 1080ti. It's like I can't fucking win with whatever build I come up with.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mD2Jd6

Any Suggestions on my build? I was having trouble with what psu to get and if mobo didn't have enough pins to support it. I was also told the extra fans I was purchasing might not be suitable as well. Any help?

>>61210116
Can't go wrong with seasonic PSUs.
Get Ryzen. There is really no more reason to get i5s. Fans might not work because there might not be enough space in your chosen casing after you fit everything in.

Hopefully an easy question, its has been a long time since I've built a PC. Currently have this mobo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kgMFf7/asrock-motherboard-p67pro3se

I currently have 8 GB of DDR3 RAM, two 4 gig sticks. I wanted to upgrade to 16 gigs. Looking at the mobo, it has four slots and will support up to 32 gigs, but 16 is more than enough for now. This PC is almost 6 years old, just want to give it a bit of a boost to last a couple more years before I build a new one.

Here is my hopefully easy question. Would I be better off buying one 8 gig stick (putting the 8 gig stick in slot 1 with the 4 gig sticks in slots 2 and 3), or purchasing two 8 gig sticks and getting rid of the 4 gig sticks all together? Or get two more 4 gig sticks to add to the two existing ones? It has literally been over a decade since I built a PC from scratch, so I am out of the loop.

>>61210164
Adding uneven RAM modules might force the RAM to run in single channel over dual channel. You always want to run your RAM in dual channel.

So the latter two options will be better. Do the one which is cheaper which is probably getting an extra 2 x 4. But try not to mix RAM kits if possible. This might cause issues with timing and downclocking.

If you can't get another 2 x 4 stick which is the exact same model as the one you current have, I suggest getting 2 x 8 and tossing your old sticks.

>>61210055
Rasberry Pi would be useless. I need Windows to run Media Center and other things.

I already "built" a machine for $39 on eBay by buying the WinBook TW700. It's not even that old but my other option was to pick up some busted laptops from the local refurbisher. They have some 2012/2013 laptop with an AMD processor but I couldn't get it to output to an external display for some reason. (I may need to buy a replacement keyboard for it)

My other option is a Core2duo Lenovo with a busted screen. Would the 2012 AMD be better?

>>61210196

Cool beans. I found the existing RAM on newegg:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423

Figure it'd be safer to get two 4 gig sticks of what is already in the machine over two new 8 gig sticks? The price also seems better for the two 4 gig sticks. If I was planning on keeping the PC longer I'd probably splurge a bit and get something better.

>>61210211
The only thing I can find for my budget of $39-80 is prebuilts from china and tablets and latops with cracked screens. (which is fine)

Building a PC is way out of my budget. I guess the prebuilts win when it comes to really cheap PCs.

>>61210055
Why would you run it at 720p? What benefit does that offer? Shouldn't anything with an HDMI out be able to easily handle 1080p? I mean even my Asus eeePCs do 1080p.

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>>61200683
Prices should go down tomorrow, r-right?

>>61210196

Shit, totally slipped my mind. Thank you kindly for the quick answer.

>>61204732
Don't you mean regular 3200mHz RAM? Isnt it more about the motherboard actually supporting the 3200 speed and the QVL of the motherboard? Usually if it's up to the snuff, you just hit one XMP button in the BIOS and BAM you're at 3200mHz.

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You retards told me the ml 120 are shit and loud.

And on what evidence? /g/ needs to become less influenced by it's hipsterisms.

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Server parts are coming in slowly
$200 for a 6 core-8gb ECC compooper is pretty ok

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>>61209557
Delid this

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>>61209886
Ryzen is better, don't even consider the fx

challenge time people. I want to see a Ryzen build that reminds you of Tony Stark's Iron Man suit.
$900 budget. go.

>>61209557
same cpu with worse cooler and I get 55 degrees in TW3.

>>61210488
You're funny.

>>61209886
>Wouldn't the FX be stronger?
No. Because the Bulldozer architecture is garbage. Clock speed and core count does not matter as much as the architecture. A strong 6 core at a lower clock speed is going to be better than a weak 8 core at high clock speed.

>>61209195
>Either watch the video or stop posting, dumbshit. I'm not going to type the whole thing out for you.
I don't need to watch a video to know what my hardware is fucking capable of you retard. On the other hand you don't even seem to be able to argue.
I mean fuck, i'm overclocking my R7 1700 on a fucking prime b350m-a, and that shit board doesn't even have heatsinks on the VRM. Fuck off and get some experience before acting like a child, instead of blindly repeating what you heard and getting pissy when people disagree with your shitty fucking claims.

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What are the differences between these temps?

I'm testing out an overclock right now. 60c seems fine, but what is the 80c?

It looks like CPU temp and then core temp? Is it like CPU temp and socket temp? I'm confused.

>>61210619
>wat is difference
>82-60 = 22
plz learn to math

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rwgkZ8

Fuck it, I'm going back down to 1070. My wallet can breathe a little easier.

>>61210676

Can I get a non meme answer please?

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What is by far the easiest and fastest way to clone/duplicate the OS/HDD contents from one disk to another in the same build? Asking for a friend wanting to buy a new HDD without having to reinstall all his programs and shit again

>>61210702
If you going down to 1070 and 1080p you don't need a 1700.

>>61210747
Windows? Create a backup image/.

>>61210757
1600 good enough?

>>61210792
>>61210792
Yes.

>>61209959
Speccy doesn't show temps for my Ryzen as well. Use Ryzen Master/ CoreTemp

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JrGr8K

I think we're getting there.

>>61210911
You could also switch the Carbide 400c for the Fractal Design Define C. Both cases are pretty similar and would save a few more bucks.
I have a define mini c that I'm in love with, the moduvent system is p cool.

Should I get an i7 7700k or Ryzen 1700 for 1440p + 144hz?

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>game on craptop my whole life
>skyrim on ultra low at full cinematic
>just built my first PC today
>finally get drivers downloaded and everything's ready to go
>about to go out to dinner with the wife
>fire up Skyrim because I have a minute and it's the only game in my library done downloading
>auto configures to ultra high
>nowthisispodracing.jpg
>launch game
>looks like total horseshit
Holy fuck this game is ugly. Good to know I wasn't missing out on too much this whole time. Like it's really bad. This game has not aged well.

Anyways it's pretty sick finally having a decent gaming rig. I think the only game I've played at 60hz is Quake III up until now. Thanks for your help building it bros.

>R5 1600
>16GB 3000MHz RAM
>Assrock B350 Gaming K4
>WD Blue 500GB SSD
>1050ti (thanks buttsniffers)

>>61211038
Depends on your GPU and the games you play. More thank likely you're going to bottleneck on your gPU before your CPU is an issue. Also, some games will benefit from eight cores more than others, so if you only play older titles where a quad core is more than enough 7700k for sure. However, if you're going to do anything at all other than games, Ryzen hands down.

>>61200760
It'd been a good few years since I last saw this gem, anon. Thank you for pushing me just a little closer to killing myself.

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>>61211238
Thanks for the advice.

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PrpfLD

Screw it, I want that 1080 card too bad. Are the AORUS cards as loud as the regular Gigabyte cards?

Also, forgot that I needed an optical drive for ripping stuff.

>>61211215
Skyrim does look like complete shit nowdays. But now that you have a decent computer you can mod the shit out of it. Toss on a couple complete texture overhauls and an ENB and put that GDDR5 to good use.

How does this look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhGr8K

The GPU and PSU are leftovers from my current tower I'm using. I also have an SSD that I'll move over.
Any notes on the case? I heard good things about Fractal Design stuff, and it was the best rated on the mATX case list.

hey guys what is a good gtx 1050 card to get, $140-170 price range, big tower so no need for small form factor i swear half of what i found on amazon was slim or single fan

>>61211541
1050 is a budget card. I don't think there is a large version. Your best bet is a 4GB Ti from any vendor.

>>61211541
Cause 1050 is a small card

>>61211558
>>61211562

is there something in that price range that's better?

>>61211572
At the moment? Absolutely not. The GPU market is fucked sided upside down by kikes. Wait for the pop and the eventual flood of 2nd hand GPU. Might even land a 200 dollar 580.

>>61211541
>>61211572
you could try one of Evga's SC or SSC models, those are the only one's of the 1050 that are full sized dual fan model 1050's

>>61211596
well i need it for photoshop more than gaming
so guess im looking for the better cooler on a 1050
that is still in the budget.

>>61211572
If the GPU market weren't fucked over hard by miners, we'd recommend an RX470 or RX570 instead, but thanks to the fucking miners, you can't get anything beyond a 1050 or a 1080. Everything inbetween has been fucked by miners buying shit in bulk.

>>61211572
The next step up in GPUs is literally $500 right now.

>>61211652
>>61211643

wow and i cannot justify to myself spending $180

>>61211637
What? 1050 isn't going to run hot why do you need a better cooler?

>>61211667
gets real hot in my place
also so it lasts longer?

>>61211687
>gets real hot in my place
Nvidia cards are made with a VMAX of around 90 to 100 degrees. If your load temps are around 90 to 100 degrees, you have bigger problems than GPU temperature.

>also so it lasts longer?
Photoshop loads your GPU 100% constantly? No? Then you don't have to worry about it.

People still have Fermi cards that work.(a card that runs crazy hot that they were basically called house fires)

>>61211687
My 1050ti mini with one fan never gets above 48 degrees at 50% fan speed and that's in a cramped itx case. This new architecture is really efficient they even run off the pcie power only. No additional cable required

>>61211718
>>61211714

so is the avga sc or scc overkill?

>>61211762
No. They are just fancy names for factory overclocks that come with every single aftermarket brand.

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I installed a 1080ti. Now the sound won't work and will only play through my monitor instead of my headphones and speakers, if that's what I tell it to use. I've tried literally everything I could find on the internet.
Am I missing something here?

Meme build but it fits with in my budget. This should be good right? Already have a gpu so no need to buy a new one. I want the 1600 because it's cheap but I know I won't need a 1700 and I don't need Intel since I'll be be editing and rendering more than I will gaming.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3MgkZ8

>>61211820
>X370
why?
Also, you NEED a GPU. Ryzen doesn't have integrated graphics and neither do the motherboards.

>>61211803
Oh my. Poor thing.
Open your windows menu. Type "sound". Select the sound menu. Under sound, there should be a few tabs. Select the one that says playback. Disable NVIDIA HDMI output. Right click speakers and then set as default device.

How did I do? Not necessarily price, but card selection. You can comment on the price I paid as well.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487319

>EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 GAMING iCX

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>>61211839
Already tried that, smarty pants.

>>61211834
There are cheaper ones. Forgot about those. Any recommendations? And I already have a gpu that I'll put in there that's why I didn't post it there.

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>>61211857
I don't believe you.
Post it.

>>61211869
>. Any recommendations?
Whatever GPU you have, use it until the GPU market stabilizes again. Then either buy an RX570/580, or whatever the new Vega card is

>>61211936
Would a 1080 be fine? I know its more or less 'overkill' but I might end up buying my friends old card for about 300 once he upgrades to the ti version.

>>61211968
Yes. 1080 is good if you can get it for 300.

>>61211984
Alright. Cool. And also I looked at the Gigabyte Gaming 3 would that be a better board option other than the Asus?

>>61211994
Avoid any mobo that has the words gaming in it.

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>>61211871
If I turn the speakers all the way up, and my volume up, and do the configure, I can hear the beeps from the test. However, I can't hear anything else. Also, the headphones I have won't play sound either when plugged in but the get faint static.

>>61209818
yes

>>61212035
Scroll down. There is something else enabled. Try disabling that as well.

>>61212056
That's the digital realtek. Already disabled it.

>>61212060
This problem only accorded after installing the Nvidia drivers right? Have you tried uninstalling Nvidia HDMI audio drivers. They come seperately.

>>61212075
Yeah, and I tried uninstalling them. I even reinstalled the drivers telling it to do a clean install without reinstalling the audio drivers with everything else.

>>61212101
If they are uninstalled, they won't show up here >>61212035

>>61212119
Aw fuck, where do I specifically uninstall those ones?

>>61212133
If you uninstall all the drivers. Does the sound come back on?

>>61212142
Where do I uninstall my Nvidia drivers? Never had to do that before.
I'm honestly considering putting my 970 back in tomorrow and seeing how that goes.

>>61212195
Control panel? Add or remove programs.

>>61210767
Yeah but with what program?

It should be able to handle cloning to a larger target HDD, meaning that if the source HDD is 300gb and the target one is say 500gb it can still port everything over without fucking the partition and free remaining space up

>>61212207
https://www.howtogeek.com/192115/what-you-need-to-know-about-creating-system-image-backups/

>>61212206
Okay, I'll check on that tomorrow. Thanks for the advice man.

>>61211994
A B350 board would be better. The X370 chipset is only if you want to SLI.
Otherwise, a B350 board will overclock and crossfire just fine.
The Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3 and the mATX variant are both good boards. Also, the Asus Prime B350-Plus, Asus B350-F Strix, and literally any of the MSI boards.

>Intel i7 4770k
>8GB RAM
>Integrated Graphics Card
>1920x1200 Samsung Monitor
The monitor is fairly old, but it's only capable of 60 Hz (fine for now). Which graphics card am I looking at with a budget of $200, stretched to $250 if it's really worth it. The goal is to play modern games on at-least medium with more than 60 FPS. I'm sick of low resolution, choppy, 20 FPS.

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Living in Australia is pain.

>When the 1070 is out of stock so you have to get the 1080

Can anyone suggest a case this will fit in?

http://www.msy.com.au/saonline/57-without-psu

>>61212234
Alright cool. I'll most likely go with the Gigabyte since it's been pretty much recommended everywhere I researched and it has good reviews.

>>61212251
P400S

>>61212238
1060

>>61212256
>P400S

They don't sell it senpai. I want to get everything from my local cheap place.

>tfw can't buy the storm trooper

>>61212256
>1060
All sold out it looks like. Guess I'll just wait. Thanks.

>>61212275
Fractal Design Refine 5

>>61212253
The MSI boards are also getting rave reviews from everyone. I'll be getting an MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic for my own build

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Is the AORUS series as noisy as other gigabyte cards?

>>61212371
Aorus is supposed to be Gigabytes luxury sub-brand, so I'd imagine not.

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>>61212256
>>61212284
Nevermind, found one.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137033

>>61212378
If you can get the 6GB one.

>>61212389
It would be a while longer. How worth is the extra 3GB in the long run? I'm fine with running modern games on medium/high. I just want atleast 60 FPS on those settings.

>>61212054
okay thanks

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>>61212481
>i7