/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>61179167
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>>61179233
we don't know anon

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>>61179172
How about these?

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>>61179238
well hasnt something similar happened before?

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Anyone know what the highest power draw single GPU card ever is? Is it the GTX480 or something else? Also what about dual-GPU cards, it would be the 6990 right?

I'm looking to pick up a cheap roomheater and currently the highest bidder on ebay on a set of two GTX480's. I can't find any 6990's at all or else I'd CFX them.

>>61179233
When did that shit start?

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>>61179238
The only reprieve soon is that NVIDIA and AMD will be releasing some mining specific hardware which may reduce demand a bit. Also, it is expected sometime this year (probably towards the end of the year) ETH will become proof-of-stake, meaning that mining will be impossible. That will reduce demand but depending on other coin profitability it may not reduce it drastically.

>>61179260
>Also what about dual-GPU cards, it would be the 6990 right?
I think that crown would go to the 295x2

>>61179215
Both are valid.
If you really are on a very limited budget (meaning every 50$ counts) then go with intel.
But keep in mind your future upgrade will likely cost more.

There's a 70$ dollar difference between the two.

While the 1400 while not stellar is a proper cpu that will last you years.

The important thing is you don't waste money in terrible components that are/will be obsolete very quickly.

As far as the gpu goes you could try using ur current one for a while.

>>61179275
solid advice

>>61179260
On regular water-cooling probably around 380 W peak and that's with a voltage increase. With liquid nitrogen I think 650W (sustained) is the most I've heard of from a single card.

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>>61179272
>295x2
I thought it might be but apparently not.

>>61179275
I mean Intel with i5-i7 vs AMD Ryzen.

>>61179287
Alright.

>>61179299
> Intel with i5-i7
but they don't fit your budget at all

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>>61179289
The cards I'm bidding on are two MSI Hydrogen water block cards, 380W per card is fucking brutal, my 1000w PSU might not be enough.

>>61179287
Yea but as cheapo he'd basically be upgrading to current KabyLakes in 2-3 years, from his g4560 so that's his upgrade path.

>>61179309
Oh, I didn't know. I guess I'll go with AMD.

>>61179383
Dood are u the same guy?
You can go with the g4560 build(+50$ over ur initial budget due to mobo) and THEN upgrade to i5/i7 in couple years
OR
go with the 1400 (+120$ over initial budget/+70$ over the G4560 build) or whatever ryzen you can afford NOW.

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We ready to roll with this? I'm just gonna pick up a second 2TB HDD later if I need to, one is good for now.

>>61179449
>are u the same guy?
Yeah.

I'm not planning on buying parts right now, because I didn't save enough money yet. In 2-3 months, I'll be ready. Also, some anon was talking about R3.

>>61179484
That's not Intel and the 1080 ti is a lot faster for a little more.

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>>61179484
The EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G3 is a little cheaper than that corsair one and it's rated very highly.

>>61179535
>1080 ti is a lot faster for a little more
160$$$

>>61179564
I gotcha, but when I did my original build a few years ago, the EVGA power supplies were getting some shit because of poor quality parts or something, so I've kinda stayed away from them ever since.

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Any anticipated hardware deals for primeday? I know the previous few have sucked, but I am hoping for at least something this time. Ideally monitors for me.

>>61179585
You work at Wendy's?

>>61179484
Dude you can get the 850EVO 500GB for 65$ more

>>61179589
Same was true of Corsair with their RM series which has been fixed with the RMx and RMi series. EVGA has improved dramatically and now use Seasonic as their OEM for G3 units and tend to overperform wrt efficiency.

What does /pcbg/ think of threadripper

>>61179647
t.EVGA salesman

>>61179535
>>61179585
>>61179620
I want that fucker so bad, but I gotta behave myself and stick around my $1500 budget. I had a sick commission check last month from work, but I was planning on putting some way for my savings.

>>61179638
$65 for space I'll never use, though. That's pretty much going to only be the operating system files on that drive.

>>61179647
Yeah, it's been a few years. I'll take a look at a few of them.

>>61179680
It's shit.

>>61179687
what does mister fancy anon think is better?

>>61179684
^ this anon here. I need another idea for a GPU, the one I wanted was out of stock on Newegg.

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>>61179684
>pretty much going to only be the operating system files on that drive

You don't gaym?

>>61179684
>$65 for space I'll never use, though.
Then why the FCUK did you pick a x370 mobo?
You could save 70$ by going B350

>>61179701
Intel Skylake-x.

>>61179718
>>61179732
Then what's the point of another anon telling me to get 2 x 2TB HDDs? What am I gonna do with all of that space?

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>>61179737

Is a Noctua D15S overkill for a mild overclock on a 1600? Looking to keep my build as quiet as possible.

>>61179748
It's worth getting a bigger ssd now and more hdd space if you need it later. Put all your programs and what games you play a lot on the ssd so they'll load faster.

what's the objectively correct gpu

>>61179748
>What am I gonna do with all of that space?
You realize that if you install your gaym on a HDD you're gonna get no benefits and loading times are gonna be slow as ass?
the 2x2tb or just the 2tb is for backup, videos, movies, projects, whatever, flac music collection idk what u do nigga

>>61179766
Yes, you could probably just go with something like a Cryorig H7 if you're not heavily OCing

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>>61179836
...yeah, you're right. The fuck is wrong with me today?

>>61179872
You're easily influenced and cute.

>>61179900
I appreciate that, anon. Mind helping me pick out a new GPU?

>>61179905
Look at the OP you blind faggot.

>>61179916
she means what brand of 1080 she shoud b gettin

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NQXr8K

Any way to get this to $600 without compromising performance? I can't change the case.

>>61179929
Celeron, gt 1030, coolmax psu.

>>61179922
This. That 1080ti looks dope as F but... I can't break that damn budget.

>>61179929
get an R5 1400 (-$30), don't buy windows 10(-$90), get a WD Blue instead of Black(-$20), and just get 8GB of RAM for now(-$60).

that's like $200 right there

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>>61179929
>Intel - Core i5-7500
>1050ti
>450w bronze PSU
>USD 100 Windows 10 licence

>>61179209
>>R7/Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/mixed use; Not required for just gaming

Who buys a PC "just for gaming"? Why not just buy a gamecube or whatever console and play that?

>>61179929

g4560

>>61179929
Go R5, don't activate Windows or get a grey market key, buy a used GPU for now, get a 500-650W PSU for slightly more, use one RAM stick until you get another one later

>>61179233
>https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
>Build a PC with 2 GPUs
>Sell one at 2x price used to make up for the mark up

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kf3pvV
I just wanna run emulators prior to PS2/Gamecube

>>61180007
>I just wanna run emulators prior to PS2/Gamecube
What does that mean?
SNES/Genesis?
Then an APU is more than enough

I just want some hardware supported by ganoo/linux drivers that can run multiple virtual machines and have a keyboard that won't break after a month of programming.

>>61179941
>>61179956
>>61179978
>>61180002

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8sqzr7

From what I could gather, I took you guys advice and got it down to this much. It's going to run Excel Macros (whatever the fuck that is, it takes a lot of memory apparently) and be hooked to 2 screens.

Thanks for all of the suggestions so far!

>>61179972
Gaming requires more resources than normal everyday tasks, for example watching movies or browsing the net. Not only for gaming means for work, which needs even more resources. Now kys yourself.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/83qzr7

>gaming @ 4k or 1440p
>ITX

my only two demands

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I want that 1080ti, dammit... But this shit is getting outta control.

>>61180118
>buying a laptop drive

>>61180118
You play at 1080p/1440p 60hz sister, why do you even need a 1080 let alone a 1080ti

went to frys today. all the video cards were picked clean except the 1080ti and poverty tier cards. only saw one radeon a 460.

>>61180036
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GNfzr7

Excel scales with threads well so an R5 will be much better than an i5

>>61179254
Yes. Bitcoin craze.

>>61180144
Because I fell for the GTX 970 meme on my last build and I was salty about it, so I feel like overcompensating. Plus, based on my parts, the 1070s and 1080s I'm looking at are in the same price range. But that could be due to me not knowing 100% what the fuck I'm doing.

>>61180180
A 1060 can play games at 1080 60 fps. You are indeed overcompensating.

>>61180180
get a used 980ti sweetheart

>>61180118
>not getting the 1600x

>>61180193
1060 will need to lower some setting for the upcoming PC games for sure.

>>61180241
leave her alone, the 1700 is the best pick for that kinda budget.

>>61180242
I had the same predicament back when I got my gpu. Get a 770, or save $100 and get a 760. Turns out I rarely play any graphically demanding games that have been released in the last few years. When I do I can still run most settings on high and get a decent 50-60 fps. My 760 is still running fine after 3 years.

>>61180335
I mean hell I was running a 660 and it was only Far Cry Primal that really kicked it in the guts.

guys, should I build computer with Core i7-7820X CPU now or wait another two or three years ?

I have x5470 right now

>>61180349
Wait. The only thing that is relatively cheap right now is RAM. GPUs and SSDs are expensive atm.

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I'm going to delid my CPU tomorrow, lads. Wish me luck.

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>>61180335
I got a 1080ti cause I wanna play Ace Combat 7 at the highest setting, as well as TW2 and maybe FC5. But it is up to you. The GPU market is so fucked at the moment that you can afford to wait. Everything afterwards will be better or cheaper unless you are going for a high end or low end card.

How would you future proof this build if I wanted to maintain it for another 2-3yrs? Preferably playing vidya at high-ultra setting and and doing video editing.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/KZw2D8

>>61180156

This looks really solid. Thanks!

>>61180383
I don't plan on upgrading for at least another year or two. At that point 10 series cards should be relatively cheap. I hope.

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>>61180452
No problem, buddy. Also, I made sure the PSU is modular because it will make the entire build easier in such a small case.

>>61180451
Get less expensive monitors, switch to an i7, and get a larger ssd.

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I think I finally got it, boys.

>>61180451
Is this a new build? If so there is not reason for you to go with an Intel build unless you want really high framerates (over 100 fps).

Go with an R7 1700 build. You should be able to upgrade to a better CPU in a few years if they stick to the same socket...

>>61180518
gigabyte fans are noisy as fuck, would not recommend

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>>61180518
I would go with the EVGA G3 instead of the NEX which is an older model for an extra $25.

>>61180534
I have a Gigabyte GPU right now. It's noisy without headphones, but I always have those fuckers on, so it doesn't bother me.

>>61180565
Well if you like open headphones then it is still a problem. I've heard asus cards are pretty quiet.

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>>61179822
Right now, without spending $400+, your options are GTX 1050 Ti or GTX 1060.

The RX 550 is a pile of shit

The RX 460/560/GTX 1050 are all barely cheaper than the 1050 Ti and significantly slower.

The RX 470/480/570/580 all cost $300+ due to le crypto miners

The 1070 is like a fucking $400 card which is a stupid price to pay unless you're gaming at 4k or some such bullshit.

That leaves the GTX 1050 Ti at around $140 and the GTX 1060 at around $200. They have nearly identical price:performance ratios, so it's just a matter of what your budget is.

>my opinion follows
>(my opinions are facts, btw)

1080p gaming isn't going anywhere for a while. Consoles are slowing the fuck out of graphics development, so graphics aren't going to get amazingly better in the next 5-6 years. The GTX 1060 is the best card to buy, right now. It's a cool, low-power-consumption card with exceptional price:performance and price:wattage ratios, and it'll run any game on ultra settings at 1080p60fps.

So

>what's the objectively correct gpu
GTX 1060 3GB. Any other answer is biblically retarded and nothing but the highest order of Reddit-tier stupidity and lack of critical thought.

>>61180575
What kind of psu is that? I have headphones and when I'm not playing any sounds on them, I still can't hear anything from my case.

>>61180492
>>61180526
This is exactly what I have in my room right now, except I have all 6 slots in my case filled with fans

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>>61180589
>3GB

>>61180466
Always get the latest generation of Nvidia cards. Nvidia has a bad habit of not supporting the older generation cards in terms of drivers unlike AMD.

>>61180649
Shut up you fucking drooling retarded reddit fuck, paying $100 more for a bullshit 3GB of extra VRAM is fucking retarded and you know it

Shut the fuck up you fat cunt

>>61180534
>>61180575
Well, the only other 1080s I'm seeing that are decent are in the price range of the 1080ti. So... I'm kinda getting low on options.

>>61180665
buy 6 gtx 1030s for sli

>>61180650
Are drivers only really a problem if you play new games?

>>61180679
Depends on the games.

>>61180679
New drivers themselves are a problem. I almost never update my graphics drivers unless there's some specific thing that a new driver version fixes, because they almost always fix the new stuff by breaking the old. Just like upgrading your BIOS, you shouldn't do it unless you specifically need to.

Is PNY any good?

PNY1060 3gb going for $229 on Best Buy, available for store pickup July 13th.

I don't care about 4k just want 1080p shit at 60fps. If not I'm just gonna get the 1050ti cause amazon 2 day shipping.

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Any post-build regrets. I bought this case about 3 years ago for my build and now I hate it. I literally bought a meme case.

>>61180699
PNY is budget tier. Nothing fancy but it is worth the money you are paying.

>>61180696
Yeah that is why I am asking. I can't remember the last time I updated my drivers, mainly because there haven't been any problems. Driver support doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me anyway. Even when the 11 series is release I'm sure they will have support for 10's for a while.

>>61180709
Wow. not that is fucking edgy.
Get a timeless case like 300R. You literally cannot go wrong with a good solid metal case.

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>>61180699
Should be fine

>>61180709
Jesus, did you even look at the case before you bought it?

>>61180731
The worst part is I shelled out $120 for that ugly thing. I was deciding between the 300R or a NZXT S340.

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>>61180709
>>61180755
Christ that thing is ugly. What exactly were you thinking?

>$120

My word.

>>61180722
Is 1060 thaaat much better than 1060?

I don't need to play shit on ultra, just wanna upgrade from this fucking 650ti I've got now. Tempted to buy 1050ti and 1060, then just return the 1050ti in 2 weeks once I pick up the 1060. Is that a horrible idea?

>>61180776
>Is 1060 thaaat much better than 1060?
What?

>>61180789
1050ti* sorry.

I literally have it in my amazon cart ready to order cause of that sweet ass 2 day shipping but idk if I should pull the trigger since July 13th only 2 weeks from now.

>>61180798
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2916-laptop-gtx-1050-ti-gpu-benchmark

Look at the benchmarks yourself and decide if it is worth the money or not.

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guys wait, I want to do 4 way crossfire with RX 460s or 550s

1) is there any reason this wouldn't work and

2) how do I get it to work

>>61180821
>laptop

?

>>61180828
Opps.
http://hwbench.com/vgas/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-vs-geforce-gtx-1060

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>>61180824
>4 way crossfire
Did it just get hotter in here?

>>61180824
Not supported.

>>61180859
He is a miner.

>>61180824
No reason why it won't work as long as you get the proper motherboard and PCI-E bridges/risers.

>>61180849
yeesh

Just gonna order the 1060 now then. I can wait 2 weeks.

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>>61180859
I want a space heater that really inefficiently renders graphics too.

>>61180877
>He is a miner.
Not a miner, I'm just curious and I like doing min/max things in real life because I probably have autism.

Wait, don't miners specifically want to avoid running their GPUs in crossfire/SLI so each one can work independently?

>>61180869
You lie!

>>61180608
>>61180451
Bump. How do I future proof my current build for 2yrs or should I make a new build?

>>61180709
I regret not rewiring my psu to connect to 4 pin rgb led strips sooner. you can turn even the shittiest desktop computer into a rgb led shitbox with just a few simple tricks. I feel bad for all those dorks that bought led fans just for the lights, led strips can provide way more coverage and exactly where you need it, and you can use a remote controlled light controller.

best case mod ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9NGLiipIS8
(I just glanced through the vid, looks like what I did to mine. sorry if the guy sucks ass, I have no idea)

>>61180924
Mining is not a graphics load so SLI/XF do nothing

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there's a guy selling pic related for $150. it's 2560x1600, so 16:10 aspect ratio. from what I've found, it's at least 7-8 years old, massive, and weighs over 40lbs

is it worth it /g/? I already have one 1440p monitor

>>61181256
Looks like it's for color work, might be a poor choice for gaming but I don't know for sure.

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>>61181279
the only thing stopping me is how thicc it is. the vertical height is roughly 16" tall, so that means that the total thickness from the front to the back, ignoring the stand, is almost 6"


forgot pic

>build PC today
>doesn't work

what went wrong?

>>61181389
User is a retard

>>61181389
download more ram

Ok so I have been given an old pc

Is it worth the upgrade?

>Ram DDR2 800, 8gb max
>graphics slot is a PCI x16
>needs a new Power supply because the one it has is 350w

>>61179497
I'm back.

So I took a look at the 1050ti and it just occured to me that it only has one dvi port. The thing is I have no HD monitor, just two square slim monitor with vga.

So what do I do?
Get an older card?
Keep the 1050ti and buy a full atx mobo to fit two gpu, one for each screen?
Keep the 1050ti and switch an old monitor for a HD one?

>>61181571
No, even a $100 corporate reject system from last year is better.

>>61181603
Just use an active DVI-VGA adapter. I'm assuming the 1050 Ti has DVI-D so you can't use a simple passive adapter to VGA.

I have a ~2010 era 2.8Ghz 930 i7 with 12GB ram and a Nvidia 980, would I notice much of a perfomance improvement going to a R5 1600, for example?

>>61181705
This is not what I'm talking about.

The 1050ti suggested in https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WLK9HN only has one DVI port, but I have two screens with VGA and no HDMI.

are 10000+ rpm drives anything but memes?

>>61181751
Then you'll need an HDMI-VGA active adapter as well. These adapters are usually around $10 each for active ones usually so it'll be cheaper than getting a new monitor.

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I want a new monitor and GPU for arena shooters and the like.
https://www.amazon.ca/Acer-Predator-XB271HU-27-inch-Widescreen/dp/B0173PEX20/

Would the 1080 be fine or is the TI worth the price difference. The plan is to be using G-sync

>>61181779
What's the difference between passive and active?

>>61181822
active needs external power
usually used when converting analog signals to digital or vice versa

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>>61181809
1080 Ti is worth it for 1440@60+

Is 400 a good price for a used 1080?

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Is Nvidia GPU boost the most retarded shit on planet earth?

>dial in the perfect stable overclock at load temps
>go from idle to load
>GPU is cold
>nvidia gpu boost is like 'dude im so cool, let me bump the clocks up bro :^)'
>it bumps the clocks up higher than your stable OC
>crashes
>'sorry dude nvidia driver has recovered :^)'

Did they implement this shit solely to piss me off?

>>61181829
So passive simply won't work?

>>61181887
Yes, I talked to Jensen about it and he said that that feature was put in to make you mad

Where should I sell my old PC parts? Craigslist is too normie and niche stuff won't sell. eBay? Is there a marketplace more computer-centric?

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>>61181896
VGA is an analog standard and DVI/HDMI are digital. Now DVI can support analog signals but not through a DVI-D link which is what the 1050 Ti has so you need active adapters.

>>61181809
Those displays apparently have big QA issues
AOC AG352UCG is better and cheaper

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>>61181887
>not pre warming your pc components

>>61181927
Alright.

Are they all the same quality? Can I be cheap on them? Any particular brand you'd like to recommend?

>>61181960
Not really, I haven't had to use those in particular. Just check reviews on amazon/newegg/whatever, I assume they're all pretty similar.

>>61181927
wtf am i looking at?

>>61181845
Good to know thanks. What's the difference in real world performance between the two cards - 10%?

>>61181932
The Amazon reviews have been strong for this one, and I'd like an IPS display for multimedia content. In any case Amazon is good with returns

So I want to get Ryzen 1600 and ASRock AB350M Pro4.

2 questions...

- Confused as to what RAM to get. Was looking at Corsair LPX 3200 but it's not on QVL. Will it run at 3200? Should I care?

- Any issues with this with linux?

Do we have a guide for home server builds?

>>61182071
>Will it run at 3200?
Maybe. Maybe not. We don't know. Most cases people are able to get it up to 3000mhz max.

>Should I care?
Yes. You are paying extra as well as stability issues.

>- Any issues with this with linux?
None that we know of.

>>61182080
What type of server are we talking here?
Standard NAS?
VPN?
Media streamer?

>>61179233
2 months atleast buddy. Maybe 4

>>61182068
Depends on the game but usually 15-30%. The Ti can usually OC a bit better too but YMMV.

>>61182068
http://hwbench.com/vgas/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-vs-geforce-gtx-1080

Make sure you check 1440p scores, the difference at 1080p isn't as big.

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>>61179272
>>61179289
what the fucks going on here?

>>61182117
>purchases fire insurance with very hihg speed

>>61182104
>Pascal
>OC
Nope. GPU 3.0 basically pushes your card to the limit already. Anything else will require hardware mods or bios flashing to go over the V limit.

>>61182132
Haha Hilarious

>>61182141
Memory OC is a thing, you can push it by 500-1000 Mhz. Core OC can be pushed with liquid metal TIM and/or a hybrid cooler

>>61179269
I remember seeing miner kits specifically market for miners. What happened to those?

>>61182095
I guess all of them? I'm wanting to build a server that would function as a NAS, media streamer, webserver for small experimental things that would likely only be available on the LAN, and some sort of personal cloud service.

>>61182167
So far they have very limited availability, I've only seen them show up in some shitty Romanian sites for bulk orders.

>>61182166
Don't memory OC your pascal card. Pascal cards are so good at correcting memory error that even if your card runs faster, the pascal chip eats up those FPS to correct those memory errors.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4mm5zt/for_those_overclocking_1080_memory_please_read/

>Core OC can be pushed with liquid metal TIM and/or a hybrid cooler
Aka hardware mods.

>>61179291
>quad gpu card
what the fuck?

>>61182175
Different servers require different configurations and hardware. An NAS requires more HDD for storage compared to a media streamer which needs to stream media requiring more processing power. Figure out what you want and then tell us. If you are an all in one server kinda thing, just buy some expensive hardware and it will do.

>>61182216
forget it, I didn't read it properly

Are the MSI AM4 boards any good? It seems like all the AM4 boards that are in the same price range are fairly equal, but MSI does provide the most 4pin PWM connectors (talking about X370 chipset).

Any reason not to go for MSI for a planned Ryzen 7 1700 build?

>>61180661
>Right now, without spending $400+, your options are GTX 1050 Ti or GTX 1060.
>The RX 550 is a pile of shit
>The RX 460/560/GTX 1050 are all barely cheaper than the 1050 Ti and significantly slower.
>The RX 470/480/570/580 all cost $300+ due to le crypto miners
>The 1070 is like a fucking $400 card which is a stupid price to pay unless you're gaming at 4k or some such bullshit.
>That leaves the GTX 1050 Ti at around $140 and the GTX 1060 at around $200. They have nearly identical price:performance ratios, so it's just a matter of what your budget is.
>>my opinion follows
>>(my opinions are facts, btw)
>1080p gaming isn't going anywhere for a while. Consoles are slowing the fuck out of graphics development, so graphics aren't going to get amazingly better in the next 5-6 years. The GTX 1060 is the best card to buy, right now. It's a cool, low-power-consumption card with exceptional price:performance and price:wattage ratios, and it'll run any game on ultra settings at 1080p60fps.
>So
>>what's the objectively correct gpu
>GTX 1060 3GB. Any other answer is biblically retarded and nothing but the highest order of Reddit-tier stupidity and lack of critical thought.

You do actually know the 3gb version also has lower clocks right? It's not the same chip, unlike the 480 4 and 8gb versions.

>>61180451
>futureproof
>i5
Pick one

>>61182287
Well then what do you suggest? A new build?

>>61179605
Wondering this also. That's just it, wondering. Maybe there will be something worthwhile this year.

>>61182307
If you can find 4770k or 4790k for relatively cheap, that would almost certainly make your current build good for another two years. Otherwise, yeah, new build.

Can anyone recommend a 1440p 24inch ips monitor ? Also has anyone built in the phanteks enthoo mATX board?

>>61182371
https://www.productchart.com/monitors/

>>61182359
Thanks man. I'll go look around.

>>61182359
What's relatively cheap? Best I can find is a 4770k for $400 and fuck that I can get a ryzen 1600 AND mobo for that money

>>61182488
Around $200, I guess? Try finding one that's used.

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Does a cheapo $45 motherboard lower performance against a $100 motherboard?

I had to ditch my previous motherboard and at the moment I had to go for a microATX motherboard that was pretty trashy. I'm wondering if, aside from the chipset and capabilities, there is any effect in performance, leaving out overclocking of course.

Pic related is what I have right now

>>61182773
If you're not overclocking, then no, there shouldn't be any significant effect on the performance.

>>61179269
ETH is by far the most profitable to mine, so when they go to proof of work a lot of mining rigs will become worthless

>>61182810
Proof of Stake you mean?

>>61182833
Yeah, obv

>>61182837
Any currency that goes to the kike method is not worth having.

>>61182854
Sounds like you're salty.
All the currencies are being driven by big investors anyways, the crypto anarchists don't even have any impact at this point.
The dream is dead.

>>61182866
>Salty
About what? You sound like a moron who is only into cyptocurrency for the $$$ instead of the principles of it. Like I care about the opinion of someone who can't differentiate between PoW and PoS.

>>61182890
Yeah, you're pretty salty mate.
Don't cry.

>>61182810
There are several others that are profitable to mine and will remain so for quite a while. Not to mention there will be more in the future that may or may not take off.

>>61182898
Sure moron. When does ETH move to proof of work?

>>61182911
ETH moves to proof of stake later this year.

When the best you can do is attack typos, that's when you know you're wrong.
Salty af.

>>61182932
>Typo
>Implying stake is anywhere close to the word work
Hahaha. Nice backpedaling. Bet you are googling what Proof of stake means at the moment.

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what harddrive help

>>61182946
Sure, whatever makes you sleep at night.

You sound like someone who believed in magical solutions to complicated problem, and now you're finding out the world doesn't work like that.
You sound like someone who though crypto would solve all the problems in the world and magically make you rich.
You sound like someone who just wants to feel right, even if you know you're wrong.

The way you argue, it's clear that you're an idiot, anon.
You're below average and you know it, that's why you missed the crypto train and why you're so mad right now.

Cheers.

Just built my pc, everything works!

One thing though, the audio volume seems to stuck at 100%. I can adjust the audio level but the volume stays the same, very loud.
I this a driver issue?

>>61183013
Sounds like it, what mobo do you have?

>>61182949
Need more info than that

>>61183006
I sure missed the train according to the guy who thinks ETH is moving to proof of work.

>>61183038
asrock ab350m pro4

Is Asrock the only good mainboard manufacturer left?
MSI boards are ticking time bombs, VRM failure is just a matter of time on those fire hazards
Gigabyte cant develop a UEFI that doesn't shred itself for no reason
Asus is just mediocre overall

>>61183235
>Assrock
>Good

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I'm looking for a build around 600-700$ to play vidya and edit photos in photoshop. I came up with pic related with parts that I can buy in local stores (Thailand). I already have a monitor and all the peripherals so I skipped those. Fun part is: when I went to local shop and picked all the parts, total price was 850$ and that's kinda over the budget for me.
Any way I can downgrade while still managing 60fps 1080p on modern vidya? I don't mind playing on lower settings.

If I swap CPU to i3-7100 and GPU to 1050ti I can get it down to 700$ but I'm concerned about performance. Any other ideas?

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What does /pcbg/ think of the NZXT s340 Elite?

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>>61183266
Check Em

>>61183266

It isn't the define R5.

>>61183325
Define R5 is ugly

>>61183264
Keep the Ryzen 1600
And get a B350 asrock pro4 if you can

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How long does it usually take for motherboard manufacturers to shell out ITX boards? It's been 10 months since AM4 release and there are 3 boards on the market. Can anyone recall how long it took for the 1151 boards?

Is this another problem with amd? Poor selection of mobos? Less competition probably means poorer boards as well. But they're cheaper, r-right?

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>>61183338

Can I expect any drop in Ryzen prices in a month?

>>61183386
No. Ryzen might just increase as their market share goes up.

can someone recommend me a card to use only for rendering video? me bentium doesnt cut it rendering shit in sony vegas

>>61183338
Fractal design is a faggot company for gay jew immigrants

>>61183353
Pro costs a tad more. I still have time until august-september to buy, so I'm open to suggestions

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Pls halp, i got an nzxt s340 case with 2 pre installed fans. But i have one little dilemma, i want to buy soem additional fans to make my computer ice cold, the thing is this case supports 2 more fans on the front.

Basically my fan setup would be

2 on the front bringing the air 1 on the back and one on the top pushing the hot air out. Is this a decent setup? Also i can't install all 4 to the motherboard yea? I have to put 2 with the PSU?

>>61183463
Rendering is CPU heavy as well as GPU heavy.

>>61183617
Yes. That is a good setup.

>>61183617

>Also i can't install all 4 to the motherboard yea?

How about you read the fucking motherboard manual which will state how many fan headers it has and what they are rated for.

>>61183830
meanest post of the day award

Maybe I'm retarded but is that possible to attach antenna to micro-ATX mobo with integrated wifi card?
Currently I'm using ATX mobo with PCI wifi card with a huge antenna attached to it because signal is shit in my room and I have no possibilty to get internet from cable.

>>61184481
Depends on the motherboard to be honest

>>61184497
I've been looking for mATX with that antenna input and I don't think I've seen one

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What is the BEST thermal paste?

>>61184568
Arctic Silver or Jizz

I seriously don't understand the pc market at the moment.

Why do manufactures not meet the demand on the market?

No Mini-ITX motherboards available and even with 2 new one released, I doub't they will be available.

It's like they produce 100 of those at best and leave it be.

Same with the GPU market.
I cannot build and finish my system.

>>61184679
Fucking miners is what's happening.

It takes a while to ramp up production and it's very risky.
Last time there was a shortage because of miners, they increased production and right after that the market crashed, so they ended up with a lot of worthless cards they couldn't sell.
They don't want that happening again, so we're stuck.

What parts can I safely buy secondhand?

Looking to upgrade and i have been told this is a safe bet. Although i have 2 options i see no difference between the 2.
Can anyone tell me if there is a difference?
ASRock AB350M-PRO4 AMD B350/4xDDR4/2xPCIEx16/HDMI/DVI/D-SUB/M.2/MicroATX Motherboard
VS
ASRock AB350-PRO4 AMD B350/4xDDR4/2xPCIEx16/HDMI/DVI/D-SUB/M.2/ATX Motherboard

>>61184758
Eh, so what was that last time?

I mean that would lead to price dropping down quite a bit, doesn't it?

>>61184788
Last time was 2013 with the bitcoin craze, then it crashes and burned, and the companies that increased production lost a lot of money as a result.

This time we don't know if and when it'll crash, but no one wants to be burned twice.

>>61184778
mATX/ATX is the form factor. It determines what kind of case you need.

>>61184813
Oh fuck me.
How can i be so fucking stupid.
Thanks.
I will go off myself for that.

So....
AMD YD160XBCAEWOF Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6Ghz/6 Core/19M/95W AM4 Boxed CPU (Without Cooler)
VS
AMD YD1600BBAEBOX Ryzen 5 1600 3.2Ghz/6 Core/19M/65W AM4 Boxed CPU (With Cooler)
Difference is almost $60 is that even worth it?

>>61184848
The 1600x has higher clock, no it's not worth it because you can overclock the 1600 for similar performance

>>61184857
Ok cool thanks

>>61184857
The 1600X is better binned, so it'll almost always have better perfomance.

Really only buy the 1600X if you want to overclock, because you'll need to buy your own cooler anyways.
Otherwise the 1600 with a small overclock is a much better value.

>>61184893
Well i have my own cooler and even when gaming nonstop for 8 hours i'd be lucky to see 32c.
So i think thatll do.

>>61184913

>lucky to see 32c.

Unless your ambient temperature is sub 10c I severely doubt that.

>>61184913
You realize it's a different socket and you have to get AM4 brackets

>>61185037

To be pedantic if anon bought the crosshair hero he could use his existing cooler as-is (yes I do know how silly it is to bolt a 1600 to a crosshair hero).

>>61185037
Yes

>>61185060
>>61185037
>>61184893
>>61184857
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GQ63Gf
For what it matters.

>>61184893
>The 1600X is better binned, so it'll almost always have better perfomance.

In this case the difference from an unlucky 1600 and a lucky 1600x is 100mhz on average... so not worth it anyway due to shitty Ryzen Overclockability.

Might as well go for the 1700 then

>>61185117
>Might as well go for the 1700 then
That's what I'm doing.
Only problem is I have no money left for the GPU because apparently a RX 580 is worth $400+ now...

>>61185103
why the FuDCK do you have a 200$ psu in there
Is it a placeholder for something you already own?

>>61185132
but it's a professional psu!

>>61185132
Oh no. I already own that. And i paid no where near that price for it.
A friend of mine haggled it down to $40 AUD

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>>61185129
get a used 1060 on your local graiglist.
You can even find 980tis for 300$ sometimes

Many normies haven't catched up to the minurz inflated prices

>>61179275
>If you really are on a very limited budget (meaning every 50$ counts) then go with intel.
Intel is now the choice of poorfags, wow.

Pls give me all your Intel memes, /pcbg/.

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>>61185177

>>61185037
Wait hang on if i am getting that motherboard too i wont need the socket.
I am dumb.

Can any friendly folk pls tell me what kind of ram to buy for my new PC? 2x 8gb or 2x16gb?
How important are timings 14-14-14 3200 vs 16-18-16 2400?
Is more ram with slower timings the 'wiser' buy?


I need to get 5 years out of the PC with 1 upgrade at the end of AM4 sockets lifespan. (CPU + moar ram). I expect to go through a few graphics cards though as I find they die ever 24-30months.

>>61185190
If you're using a Ryzen chip, any compatible motherboard comes with the AM4 socket because it's REQUIRED you fucking twat.
>I am dumb.
Yes you are.

>>61185188
>MEMES>MEMES>MEMES>MEMES>MEMES>MEMES

>>61185177
>Intel is now the choice of poorfags, wow.
It's more like the cheapo option thanks to the g4560 and premium option thanks to the i7 7700k.
Coffeelake isn't gonna change that unless they slash prices.
And if Zen2 really takes Ryzen up to 5ghz then intel=FINISHED&BANKRUPT

>>61185213
Thank you for pointing out my lack of knowledge in this category.
I am saying i dont need to buy ANOTHER bracket if i am getting that motherboard.

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>>61185190
Wait hang on if i am getting that motherboard too i wont need the socket.

>>61185241
if you buy an aftermarket cooler, you generally need to make sure you get the AM4 bracket or else it won't mount up.

>>61185213
>Yes you are.
Both of you is bc we were talking about his COOLER that he already owns

>>61185241
You need an AM4 bracket to mount a such a cooler.

>>61185226
I'm still rocking a 775 Q9550. Once jewtel started releasing 'a socket a year' I just ignored them and waited for AMD to release a decent CPU.

>>61185269
ONE ECHO CHAMBER PLEASE!

>>61185261
>Both of you is
no u.

>>61185204
>ask for some negligible detail about ram
>doesn't list his CPU or use case

>>61185204
Fast (in Mhz) ram is only important if you have Ryzen, because of the weird architecture it has.

Low timings (14 instead of 16) is always better, but it doesn't make a huge difference. You're better off with crappy ram and a great CPU than with a crappy CPU and great RAM.

Recommend me a Mobo. Usb 3.1 gen 2 required. LGA 1151. Dual m.2 a plus. Prefer Kaby lake with no BIOS update. $160 or less, less appreciated.

Currently looking at ASUS prime z270-A or TUF z270 mark II. Overclock not a priority so feel free to recommend h/b 250/270.

>>61185204
>Is more ram with slower timings the 'wiser' buy?
Depends entirely on whether you NEED more RAM. The amount of RAM you have doesn't matter one bit until you run out, at which point you generally take a significant performance hit.

>>61185445
>You're better off with crappy ram and a great CPU than with a crappy CPU and great RAM.

This is absolute nonsense, besides, 3000mhz ddr4 is as cheap or nearly so that your shittiest 2100 ddr4 you can find.

It checks out when you start to look at 3400+ ddr4, which makes no difference even for ryzen anyways.

>>61185501
It is absolutely true. Obviously if you can afford good RAM and a good CPU, go for it, but otherwise expensive RAM isn't the first thing you should spend your money on. Except, maybe, for Ryzen.

>>61185525
this is a meaningless platitude
Where you from freindo?

>>61185566
What are you even talking about. Where I'm from doesn't change the facts.

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>570 and 580 overpriced sold out
>1060 overpriced and sold out
>1070 overpriced and sold out
>1080 overpriced and entry cards sold out
>1080Ti ridiculously overpriced
>1050Ti went from 130€ to 160€
>1050, 560 and 550 are next
>Vega FE is a huge disappointment
>RX Vega still a month away
>soon there won't be any GPUs available
>inb4 black market mafia for GPUs
ALL IS LOST. THERE IS NO HOPE. ABANDON SHIP.

>>61185702
>RX Vega still a month away
You mean 3 months?
No one is stupid enough to buy reference AMD cards are they?

>>61185702
AMD and Nvidia are now making mining specific GPUs, There is hope.

Can someone suggest a mATX mobo for ryzen 1600? My intention is to overclock the CPU

Does this one look good to you?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157761

4k gpus?

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>>61185738
My bad, i misspelled "year away".

>>61185744
>mining GPUs
>with zero resell value
They better be dirt cheap or miners won't buy them. I also doubt the reinforcements will arrive in time.

>tfw waitforvega(TM) to possibly be disappointed or buy GTX1080 for 550€ before prices rise above 600..

>>61185744
It will be till Q4 regardless for there to be any hope.

>>61185801
>with zero resell value
>They better be dirt cheap or miners won't buy them.
This desu

>>61185801
>>61185915
Miners don't want to resell, so it doesn't matter. They get their ROI by underclocking the card slightly and running it until it dies.

>>61185938
Miners absolutely want to sell them. Did you see how flooded the market was post BTC GPU crash?

>>61185974
It's a bubble, the only reason people buy is they delude themselves into thinking it'll last long enough for them to make money.

It's literally a ponzi scheme, the first ones make a shitton of money, and all the late comers think they can make some profit too. Until the day it crashes.

Threadripper fucking when

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>>61185938
>Miners don't want to resell, so it doesn't matter

>>61186000
It's a bubble if you are a miner. It is not if you just invest, sit on it and then cash out before the real crash.

>>61186021
The stupid ones think they'll be able to resell, yeah.
Because no one taught them supply and demand, so they'll be the suckers holding worthless GPUs in a market flooded with them.

>>61186022
If you can't call the top, you're not investing, you're gambling.

The GPU market isn't liquid enough that you can get rid of your stock in a couple of minutes, by the time you try to sell everyone else will be selling too.
Unless you can call the top, which you can't.

>>61186053
>you're gambling.
>Implying miners aren't gambling when they choose to mine a certain currency

>>61186064
The ones who started mining months ago already got their money back, that was a sound investment.
The idiots just following the pack trying to buy mining GPUs in July 2017 are just guaranteed to lose.

>>61186053
>Because no one taught them supply and demand
Pot calling the kettle. They will be able to resell. Sure, if (mining) demand drops there will be supply available again but priced won't drop immediately and you forgot that gullible normies will buy those "barely used top gaming GPUs".
Eventually prices will normalize and they will have to sell their GPUs vor even less and there will always be someone who will buy those. Tbh if prices drop low enough i'll probably buy such GPU as back up, too. Always good to have cheap spare parts, even if it's a mining zombie.

>>61186093
>that was a sound investment.
Only if you chose the right thing to mine.
There are like a billion coins to mine.

>>61186053
>they'll be the suckers holding worthless GPUs in a market flooded with them

Anti-minurz make up shit as usual to justify them having missed out on an opportunity.

Fact is you could resell your 280x and 290s for a decent price post BTC crash last time around.

Just slightly lower price than a normal used one pre crash.

>>61186099
>>61186109
>>61186110
Topkek. Alright boys, go ahead and buy some of that bubble right near the top, what could possibly go wrong.

At least you'll get a life lesson out of it.

>>61186122
t.16yo bitter NEET

>>61186130
It's easier to think people who disagree with you are retarded, than to consider the fact that you might be wrong.

>>61186099
>Always good to have cheap spare parts, even if it's a mining zombie.
This is my plan. I'd love a $150 580.

>>61186122
>buying a second hand GPU as spare parts back up for cheap is somehow bad
You're retarded.

>>61186122
What is wrong with getting cheap second hand GPUs? They are still under warranty and at most require a fan change.

>>61186144
No you are actually just a bitter retard.
You're incoherent.

>go ahead and buy some of that bubble right near the top

Notice how you were forced to switch to a half assed strawman to even make half a point?

Nobody said to "buy some" right now.

We were talking about minurz who had invested before now and what they could get off their used GPUS ***IF*** there's another abrupt BTC crash like last time around.

You also make shit up to rationalize you being a cuck who's missed out on the crypto goldmine TWICE now.

GPUs post crash '13 were absolutely not worthless as anyone around back then can testitfy to.

>>61186093
>The ones who started mining months ago already got their money back

Actually the ones that mined ETH months ago now got 100k in the bank

>>61186191
You mean everyone who invested in ETH ICO?

>>61186175
I can confirm.
I was mining back then with 8x 280xs.
After the crash I sold 4 of them for 180ish and 2 of them for 160ish.

Bought them at 230€ or so.

Normal used gpu resell price.

I bought a 1080p 60hz monitor to pair with a 1060. I'm a fool right?

>>61186421
> I'm a fool right
Yes, but because you bought 1080p shitty TN 60hz monitor in 2017.
1080p@60fps is the exact performance target of a 1060 though.

>>61186421
no

>>61186421
Yes.

>>61186478
>>61186604
>>61186498
Don't really want to mess with returning it, I guess I'll use it as a second monitor.
Should I go for a 1440 144hz monitor instead? Will the 1060 still be able to run games at high settings with that?

>>61186498
>>61186604
Maybe

>>61186704
Yes. 1060 for 1080p.
144 for 1080.

Is anything special happening to the Samsung 960 Evo?
I wanna build a new machine and they're in a -19% sale on the cheapest store i can find them in my country, should i go for it?

>>61186748
So the 1060 can't comfortably push a 1440 monitor on high settings?
Seems like a waste to get another 1080p monitor when I'll just have to upgrade it again when I get a better gpu.

>>61187029
>So the 1060 can't comfortably push a 1440 monitor on high settings?
Yes

1440p 60Hz VS 1080p 144Hz for non-esports titles. What do you guys prefer?

>>61187659
>1440p 60Hz at least 27"

Lads, what mouse should I buy? wont be gaming with it so doesn't need any fancy shit

>>61187827
>>61187827

thread death soon

>>61187879
just pick a $10 microsoft optical mouse v2.0 or something