>idiots tell me about (their understanding of) net neutrality

>gives full control of the internet over to the US govt
how so

>inb4 no reply

>>61147293
>>61147344
Read any article on a site that isn't blatantly just propaganda (buzzfeed, huffpaint post, salon etc) and you will get both sides of the issue

>Readers with passing knowledge of net neutrality may have heard that it means that Internet service providers must treat all Internet traffic the same. This notion of equal treatment, repeated in the first line of the court opinion, has unknown origins, makes no appearance in the rules, and is widely derided by network engineers as a fantasy. Many services transmitted on broadband lines would break with “equal” treatment.

Readers with passing knowledge of net neutrality may have heard that it means that Internet service providers must treat all Internet traffic the same. This notion of equal treatment, repeated in the first line of the court opinion, has unknown origins, makes no appearance in the rules, and is widely derided by network engineers as a fantasy. Many services transmitted on broadband lines would break with “equal” treatment.

Readers with passing knowledge of net neutrality may have heard that it means that Internet service providers must treat all Internet traffic the same. This notion of equal treatment, repeated in the first line of the court opinion, has unknown origins, makes no appearance in the rules, and is widely derided by network engineers as a fantasy. Many services transmitted on broadband lines would break with “equal” treatment.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436807/net-neutrality-government-control-your-internet-service

The entire issue is about government control. If it was truly about making sure internet doesn't turn into cable tv, govt could just put regulations on us companies, they don't need full control of it.

>>61147071
>net neutrality
>gov't control

nibba what

>>61148359
See you and the other guy that replied are perfect example of useful idiots, you don't even understand what net neutrality is, you just memorize the buzzwords like "equal internet" that don't represent it at all. If Net neutrality bills would have passed, it would have given full control of us isps over to the us govt "for our safety".

>>61147071
How much is Verizon paying these days?

>>61147071
Go shill on reddit. Nobody here even votes, and if they do, they aren't dumb enough to be convinced by 4chan's groupmind.

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>>61148437
>im 13 and everybody else here is too!

>Left
>"The companies are gonna use their power to fuck us over!"
>Right
>"The gov. is gonna use their power to fuck us over!"
The entire debate is based on mistrust and hostility. Even EFF admits that FCC regulations are a non-ideal, but short-term acceptable solution.

>>61148455

>short-term government anything

We'll never be fucking rid of it. Ever. And it will grow and become worse. Eventually we'll all need ID cards to use the Internet, or else felony, etc.

This is just the beginning.

>>61148447
I hope i grow up to be this savage

>>61148480
Fuck off to /pol/. That's the board for retards.

>>61148499

A retard is someone who doesn't know history or fails to acknowledge it.

We will never. fucking. be. rid. of. it.

Or idiot cheerleaders like you, either.

>>61148339
Your bot broke

>>61148447

He must have had to have some serious tuck surgery after having a 50+ inch waist most of his life.

>>61148528
Fuck off to /pol/, shill

>>61148455
This is implied by what evidence?

As for the other side of the story, just look at what they did to VoiP when Verizon saw them as a competitor. Its not a perfect solution, but in a technologically illeterate and dysfunctional gov, its the best we got.

>>61147071
Nice to see someone said it. Youre right but i know people will tell you to fuck off to ./pol

>>61148563

fuck off to plebbit and huffpo, J. Edgar Faggot.

>>61148590
Fuck off to /pol/, shill

>>61148535
Nah when I copy+pasted the paragraph nationalreview is jewish and pastes an extra paragraph and link to their site, I only saw this the first two times I posted and thought it was a mistake.

He's not wrong. If you point out that we never had neutrality and things werked out mostly alright, the response is always
>b-but the principle was just automatically respected, the net was equal but now greedy ISPs are gonna ruin it
As if ISPs just became dickbags over night. Fun fact : the net was never "equal" and ZERO of the shit people claim will happen without net neutrality actually happened.

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>>61148691

Cheerleaders always push people's panic buttons to spend billions solving a problem that doesn't exist, and creating 100 more problems instead.

Then the endless, continual "reforms" to "fix" the shit they should have left the fuck alone to begin with.

>>61148691
>>61148722
Fuck off to /pol/, shills

>>61147071
Effectively, The US is trying to keep Comcast alive.
I'm not Giving a for or against statement here just clueing you in.
Comcast doesn't own any major streaming, that's HULU Crunchy roll, Netflix and YouTube.
People are abandoning cable television while switching over to internet services, and Comcast is trying to offset the loss of Cable TV with Cable internet.
If we said "The internet is telecoms and should be free as in free beer, Comcast, Time Warner etc would die in weeks to months.

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>>61148744

Ye be outnumbered, m'faggot.

>>61148744
Seems to be a lot of "/pol/ shills" in this thread. Maybe you should rethink your life, you are the only shill here, and the worst part is you are shilling for free and against your own interest.

>>61148771
>>61148773
Fuck off to /pol/, shills

when/how did net neutrality become a partisan issue

>>61148797
It was a partisan issue since the concept and bills were created, are you daft? Or are you not aware the new left = big government, right = small government

>>61148815
you didn't answer my question

>>61148828
Yes I did? lol

>>61148787
>>61148744
>>61148598
>>61148563

keep repeating like a childish faggot to see if something changes, plain retarded

>>61148744
>his argument is just "go away :("
Nice try fucko. Here we converse like adults.

>>61147071
Those companies should use the money they use to pay for people to shill online to upgrade their infrastructure.

But I guess its more profit to charge Riot/Valve/Blizzard for "high speed lanes".

>>61148797
>how is the right easily duped by corporations to vote against their interests?

>>61148833
no I don't think so

>>61148834
>>61148835
Fuck off to /pol/, shills

Is nobody going to mention the tiered internet structure ISPs would be shooting for?

Or the censorship issues posed by delay or loss of internet access?

>>61148843
You're an idiot

>when
When the bills were drafted
>how
right = small government, left = big government

Neck yourself

>>61147071
It's a moot fucking point regardless of which way any of us leans (hopefully away from choking on Comcast's fucking cock), because the literal Pajeet can do whatever the fuck he wants.

>>61148855
>engaging with shills
You're fucking retarded

>>61148842
>how is the left so easily duped by corporation owned politicians to vote against their interests?

FTFY

Difference is with small govt and free market capitalism you can vote with your money, in our govt your getting the same shit either way.

>>61148528
Yea! I can't believe the government decided to regulate murder and now we will never. fucking. be. rid. of. it.
Legal murder when?

>>61148887
Don't waste your time responding. You can't fix stupid, and you certainly can't fix paid shilling.

>>61148815
>right = small government
pfft hahahahaha
stay delusional my dude

>>61148455
>Even EFF admits that FCC regulations are a non-ideal, but short-term acceptable solution.
woah, link?

>>61148906
Why would it surprise you that the EFF is against censorship by corporate monopolies?

>>61148887
murder = internet? Nice non-weak analogy there buddy, you sure won this time ;)

>>61148903
Take an american government course next year kiddo

>>61148858
I don't see why this is so difficult, it's a simple question

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>>61148887

>YEA!
>LOLBUHRTARIANS SUPPORT MURDHER, GUISE

>>61148925
I thought you meant the current proposed regulations, not the ones supported during the last administration.

>>61148929
Most have been difficult for him because I answered it twice.

net neutrality wont stop mobile providers from throttling or providing certain services for free

(tmobile and youtube/netflix for example)

you need to start from scratch to include radio towers and satellite or let the market sort it out

another option is to make a public domain network that is paid for by taxes(who wants that?)
it would be extremely slow and the private industry could provide isps with premium bandwidth

>>61148858
>right = small government, left = big government

Are you genuinely this stupid?

>>61148976
Do you need help or something? Far right economics is literally libertarianism, far left is socialism/communism.

>>61148976
He's been repeating the same garbage for several posts now, of course he's that stupid.

>>61148954

The UN has already declared "broadband" to be a basic human right.

It's just a matter of time before we are down to 2 or 3 ISPs and maybe 2 cellular providers like Canuckistan.

Shit, they've been spying on us for years and lying about it - what happened after Snowden proved it? If we don't give a shit about that, who's going to give a shit when anonymity becomes a crime?

...and no, the adults are not fucking off to /pol/, this is a tech conversation, so eat shit if can't handle reading opinions you don't like.

>>61148976
>>61149007
Fucking lol this isn't even a matter of opinion, no wonder there is a 3:1 ratio of iphone threads to technology threads on /g/

>>61148936
https://youtu.be/L4nWoOmMTXo

>>61148879
Difference is you almost never have a choice of your ISP, and when there's only 3 all doing the same thing you still don't have a choice.

ISPs get sanctioned monopolies once they lay down infrastructure. That's why a bunch of them rushed to lay down fiber but left it dark, just so that no one else could come in and lay theirs down to lock them out of the area.

>>61149031
You're a moron, people are pissing on you, telling you it's raining and you believe them.

>>61149043
Fuck off to /pol/, shill

>>61149056
>telling me to go to /pol/ when you're the one spouting nonsense like "the right is for smaller government" when that has been proven categorically incorrect for the entirety of your lifespan

>>61149043
>being so delusional
You're looking in the mirror

>>61149036
This isn't true, right now there are places with maybe 1 choice, but most of America there are several choices. You only have 1 government and they're all bankrolled by the same bankers.

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>>61149059
>communism is smaller government than libertarianism

wew

>>61147071
"Net Neutrality" is just libshits trying to pass bills for more government control.

>>61149067
>argument ad absurdum
Great work!

>>61149060
>several choices
One of Three?
Then you have to consider price, ping, and speed.
Most of the time, It's just illusion of choice.

>>61148339
I like how your little paragraph doesn't have any evidence. All net neutrality does is force ISPs to stop throttling some websites and preffering other sites. It doesn't give government control of the internet. The most likely way it would be enforced is that someone would report an instance of throttling to a government authority and that authority would inspect the evidence and punish the ISP accordingly.

>>61149060
Other companies have to pay the original company to use their lines in an area. There really isn't much of a choice. "Oh boy! I can choose comcast who's gonna fuck me in the ass with a 12" spiked dick or at&t who will only fuck me with an 11" spiked dick!"

>>61149060
>>61149072
Fuck off to /pol/, shills

>>61149075
hmmm, I forgot, it's the RIGHT who is pushing for national socialized healthcare,it's not even up for debate

economically: left = more restrictive, right = less
socially: left = less restrictive, right = more

quit huffing paint

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>>61148999
>Far right economics is literally libertarianism

No it isn't. And, it never has been,

Far right economcs is all about handing more power to the already powerful.

You might have noticed, if you'd been paying attention, the right wing never analyse "power", they simply dismiss power disparities as "natural", or, "normal".

The seizure of economic power, and thus political power, is not justified by appeals to "nature". There's nothing "natural" about the power of the wealthy over the rest of us. We've been fighting it for generations. Our political institutions were set up to proect the people against the wealthy who seek to dominate society, ultimately.

pic related.

>>61149109
hmmm, I forgot, it's the LEFT who created YET ANOTHER defense-related government agency "Homeland Security" and funneled billions upon billions of dollars into it

The right wing parties of The United States are anything but right wing economically. They seek to enact regulations to prevent competition, and to remove any regulations that prevents them from maximizing profits.

>>61149109
Fuck off to /pol/, shill

>>61149116
You are mistaking far right with the corporate right

>>61149129
Very suspicious how any criticism of ((((Net Neutrality)))) almost instantly draws out cries of "shills," hmm. I wonder why that is? It's almost as if (((people))) are being paid to support this online.

>>61149124
Fucking kek ITS THE RIGHT who is against school choice and pusing for a common core standard..

ITS NOT UP FOR DEBATE, END YOUR LIFE

>>61149135

There is no difference.

The theorietical right wing "free market" ideology is a trojan horse for the power of wealth over society.

>>61149148
School choice has literally nothing to do with the size of the government, get your ass back to /pol/ with your stupid nonsense.

>>61147071
>being against net neutrality
Have fun when your ISP throttles your internet so hard that all but 8 websites take a week to load

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>>61149176
>tfw my ISP only lets me access Fox News at speeds faster than dial-up

>>61149176
It's called the Free Market. Consumers won't use ISPs who throttle connections and these ISPs will change or die. This is an economic reality, son. Get used to it. Government interventionism never works and only leads to more bloat.

>>61147071
>>61148339
>gives full control of the internet over to the US govt

Do you feel that criminal law gives the US government "full control" of your life? Criminal law gives the government full control to disincentivize you murdering people at will. Business regulations give the government "full control" to disincentivize corporate actions that are unwanted for some reason, in this case because they are customer unfriendly.

>Many services transmitted on broadband lines would break with “equal” treatment.

In the typical case, there's today little way to ensure preferential treatments for your packets as they're routed to some destination on the internet. Net neutrality prohibits the selling and buying of preferential treatment for packets as they're routed on the public internet. Your source is wrong.

>www.nationalreview.com

Is the mouthpiece of old-school movement conservatism. In these matters it means that they lean libertarianish and business friendly, and on any given matter they will have an industry lobbyist providing copy. The author of your piece, Brent Skorup, is a resident at the Merkatus Center, a Koch brothers funded think tank advocating no government regulation. He's most likely bankrolled by the big ISPs, in addition to the Koch bros...

I might add that libertarianism is a stupid, unworkable ideology as illustrated by the fact that all conservatards have now abandoned it for (equally stupid) nazism and fascism.

>>61149227
>Consumers won't use ISPs who throttle connections and these ISPs will change or die.
Unless all the major ISPs do it (and why wouldn't they? it's free money)
Then they will have to suck it up and take the corporate dick.

>>61149227
>le free market meme
Nigga there's only one (1) ISP in my city and I know that's not uncommon
And based off of how shitty Comcast already is I highly doubt they'll be the saints you think they'll be

>>61149227

Most consumers have a maximum "choice" of just two ISPs.

The high barriers of entry into the ISP market means there is no competition, effectively.

Corporate dominance of the sector has led to a cornered market. There is no choice.

This is where government is needed to protect consumers.

>>61149253
Then move. The onus is on you to take charge of your future, don't be a cuck.

>>61149253
post ballpark address and i'll prove you wrong.

>>61149268

The barriers to entry are too high, even Google gave up its drive to be a national ISP.

>>61149267
see >>61149283

>>61149268
Yeah let me uproot my life, leave my job, find a new house, and find a new job, just to get a "different" ISP which is just going to do the same shit.

>>61148398
i think you are the one who is misinformed. title II rules are already in place. the recent net neutrality fight isn't about adding more shit, it's about stopping pajeet pai from removing the rules.

right now, neither your ISP or the government can adjust your bandwidth on a per-site or per-service basis. if these rules are removed, then your ISP will be allowed to do just that. who would willingly permit their ISP to throttle their connection?

>>61149267
>This is where government is needed to control consumers.
Fixed it for you, son.

>>61149268
>spend you life savings to give me a shred of credibility
Now this is full ideologue

>>61149268
>don't be a cuck

unironically using the white power crowds' miscegenation-NTR-fetish as the be-all end-all metaphor for life choices :^)

>>61149302
You get what you pay for. Stop expecting the government to fix all your problems.

>>61149301
That's a 24 carrot lie tho. Don't go on the internet just to tell a lie bro.

>>61149301
Control them by not giving them the choice to select an ISP that rapes them?

>>61149283

Really?

https://www.extremetech.com/internet/178465-woe-is-isp-30-of-americans-cant-choose-their-service-provider

>>61149331
Sorry I'm not into the whole self-flagellation thing and if the government can make my life easier I'd really appreciate it

>>61149331
>You get what you pay for. Stop expecting the government to fix all your problems.
But we pay for the government.

>>61149331

Idiot.

>>61149331
What's the government for, if not for fixing problems? Steady business for the Mar-a-Lago?

>>61149346
>its true because a PR guy said so without sources
Post your address, of course you wont get service if you live on top of the mountain by which the 30% figure seems to be based on (landmass)

>>61149331
man what the fuck am i paying taxes for if the government is not going to help me out once in a while? jesus. i'm paying them, they're supposed to work for me.

>>61149383
>>61149357
>>61149355
>>61149353
>all
>reading comprehension

>>61149268
Yeah, It's totally reasonable for someone to uproot my entire fucking life - their job, living situation, friends and family, just to be able to have different - robably just as shitty - choice of ISP.

Must be nice to be living life as a sheltered jackhole with no obligations.

>>61149435
As your libertarian friend Molyneux likes to say
"Not an argument"

>>61149344
>strawman
You already have a choice.
The government is not a replacement for god, it can't do everything. Hell it rarely even do most things properly.

>inb4 lel i got no choice
See >>61149283

>>61149283
Manchester, NH

>>61149448
>reading comprehension
>>government cant fix ALL your problems
>>WHAAAA BUT MY PARENTS PAY SOME TAXES

>>61149464
Yes how dare I get mad when the government stops helping me with a service I use daily after I paid them so much

>>61149461
>xFinity
>Fair Point
>Comcast
>First Light
>Light Tower
>Verizon
>Megapath
>186 communications
>etc

>>61149464
no one is asking government to solve all their problems, they are just asking them not to let ISPs throttle their 4chan connections. is that so much to ask?

>>61149485
>stops helping me
>implying NN helps you from an invisible problem instead of just limiting competition and raising the barrier of entry for innovation and competition

>>61149451
>You already have a choice.
Between Rapist A and Rapist B.
>The government is not a replacement for god, it can't do everything
Completely correct! But regulation is actually one thing the government can and should do! It does it all the time! It's the reason there isn't asbestos in new construction and the reason there aren't dead rats mixed in with your ground beef!

>>61149506
>moving the goalpost
The post you seem to disagreed with implies that government should solve all your problems.

Unless of course you truly are
>reading comprehension

>>61147071
>gives full control of the internet over to the US govt
this is insanely fucking bullshit

they don't, nor will ever have "full control of the internet"

I fucking dare them to try "shutting down" the fucking internet.

>>61149464
There's a problem here and the government has a fix. Why exactly shouldnt it fix it?

>>61149512
raising the barrier of entry? what are you on about? it would require more infrascruture to selectively throttle bandwidth!

>>61149490
>implying I'll buy enterprise providers for my household
Good meme

>>61149521
Between Rapist A and Rapist B.
Post your address and I'll prove you wrong.
There are multiple ISP for every urban centrals in the US, if knowing that and you still claim that all of those services are shitty without any basis for each one of them, then you're just being dishonest.

>>61149523
moving the goalpost? what are you on about, we're talking about Title II here.

>>61149530

The government has actually protected the internet from corporate attempts to turn it into a series of walled gardens, that corporations charge for.

Government needs to protect the commons from dominance of monied interests.

>>61149521
You're saying that I should *pray* for my ISP not blocking or throttling traffic to the "wrong" websites? Is there any reason at all to expect that God will deliver?

>>61149536
b-because there is a marginal cost of regulating ISPs and spending any amount of money

>>61148339
>This notion of equal treatment, repeated in the first line of the court opinion, has unknown origins, makes no appearance in the rules, and is widely derided by network engineers as a fantasy.

Oh, a fantasy? Seems like a convenient label to put for something they don't want in the first place.

>Many services transmitted on broadband lines would break with “equal” treatment.

You are giving a red herring. When net neutrality advocates talk about equal treatment of information, they refer to equality of opportunity to request and receive information, they are not referring to all requests having equal throughput.

We want all SERVICES and SITES to have equal throughput compared to each other. This means no artificial paywalls to access certain sites, no throttling of non-whitelisted sites, no foiling of encrypted connections.

You speak with the same level of dishonesty I'd expect of a Republican congressman.

>>61149536
>Why exactly shouldnt it fix it?
Because it doesn't actually fix the problem.
Lack of competition still persist even if NN is fully operational.
If this lack of competition will result in the corporations taking advantage of the consumers, then it'll just take an advantage on ways that NN can't even begin to cover.

To fix the problem is not to keep raising the barrier of entry, but to do otherwise.

>>61148339
now try making a post with a valid source.

Net Neutrality doesn't give the "US govt" power over the internet.

It only allows them to tell ISPs not to restrict, limit, throttle, or block access to an internet resource, and fine them and/or sue them if they do.

They're not constantly monitoring every ISP and every connection to achieve this, they require people to report offenses.

>>61149227
>MUH FREE MARKET
There is no free market in Internet Service you FUCKING MORON. Most americans have only one provider. There is no competition, it's what's known as an oligopoly. If you'd done 5 seconds of homework, you'd know that muh free market cannot solve this.

>>61149542
Not all of those only offers enterprise services.
To name a few:
>xFinity
>comcast
>fair point
>verizon

>>61149553
Was referring to
>no one is asking government to solve all their problems
Different anon from before.

>>61149580
See >>61149283

>>61149548
>Post your address and I'll prove you wrong.

Bear Creek, NL.

We have just one fibre option and two ADSL, both of which are terrible. Both the ADSL companies have the market stitched up, there's no real competition.

>>61149582
Well seeing as I'm not so retarded as to use mobile internet we can strike off Verizon
xFinity and Comcast are the same company
and Fair Point is shittier and more expensive than Comcast
Hello welcome to the Comcast monopoly

>>61149592
oh. well that other anon is probably dumb. sorry bruh

>>61149592
You're a moron.

>>61149283 is simply uninformed. In a market of at the most 3 providers, all three can easily refuse to improve simultaneously and competition grinds to a halt for the benefit of all the oligopolists.

>>61149560
Yes, that's correct, government cannot actually regulate anything, just like those things I listed.

>>61149582
Xfinity and Comcast are the same company, my man.

>>61149600
NL?

>>61149570
>Because it doesn't actually fix the problem.
>Lack of competition still persist even if NN is fully operational.

Lack of competition isnt the problem. Monetizing preferential treatment for some packets is the problem.

Lack of competition could also be solved by the government, but through other measures.

>>61149628
what is the FDA

Business had internet like services that they nickle and dimed consumers to death on

So the government had total control over the internet and then someone** in the government realized it would be extremely beneficial if everyone could use it.
Business bawwwed because it would destroy their deformed cash cows.

Then business adjusted and made tons of fucking money.

Now business wants to return to their old cash cow models and has spent decades figuring out how to adapt these models to the modern internet.

If only we had the kind of alturistic government in place that opened the internet to begin with.

If only
**AL GORE
was in charge then we'd all be fine.

Fuck you if industry controlled non-government regulated networks were so good we would have never went to the internet and ISPs would offer gateways off of their way better private networks on the the regular internet and people would buy it. I mean this is if you believe in invisible hands and all that bullshit. This is a libertarian argument

The invisible jerk off hand has decided the internet is the best network for porn so fuck you

>>61149634

heh

NC

Spent too long in the Netherlands.

>>61149649
Woah, it's almost like I was being sarcastic to prove a point you fucking moron.

>>61149628
Do you have to be Christian to be a lolbertarian?

>We cant solve any problems so better pray to God

>>61148339
two sheckles have been deposited into your account. thanks for doing business with comcast.

>>61149607
>smaller ISP is shittier than the bigger ISP
Well that's a given, and that kind of thinking is probably one of the reason why there's so little home ISPs in your area.
I mean, even cardfags knows when to buy the inferior manufacturer to keep competition alive.
Having NN all the way still won't protect you from Comcast fuckeries if they decided to do so.
Even more reason for them if Fair Point actually closes their business because of this.

The Free Market is a nice idea, but it's not possible in the real world, which is where most of us exist.

>>61149675
>better buy a shitty alternative and hope everyone follows suit

>>61149686
>>61149686

The "free market" and "Communism" have a lot in common. Both try to make a straight line out of bent humanity.

Both are totally unrealistic.

>>61149600
Welp, you're right.
If anything mobile internet isn't that bad if you don't download movies/games.

>>61149692
>better do nothing and wait until comcast will truly monopolize the market like what happens in >>61149600
Who am I kidding, at that point you'd probably advocate for the government to nationalize ISP and then we'll be at OP's >full control

>>61149705
It's a sad truth, even the current systems are struggling because of us.

>>61149650
Just to remind you:
Business-controlled Internet
>US
>Australia
>Japan
>Europe

Government controlled internet
>China
>NK
>Egypt (partly)
>Indonesia (partly)

>>61149724
m8 if you think the rest of my state can all simultaneously play 4D Chess like that you are in fact kidding yourself

>>61149743
>Japan
The country where you get put in jail for downloading an episode of a chinese cartoon?
Wew lad.

>>61149638
>Monetizing preferential treatment for some packets is the problem
Which only happens to markets that doesn't have good competition.
If comcast were to announce this significantly unpopular business model, their stocks would free fall like hell and their customers would move to another alternative.

Now if there's only 1 ISP to a particular area, they would have more reason to do so.

>>61149777
The guy that got arrested was consistently uploading shows not, just your regular downloader.
Which is a crime. I don't understand why you're so displeased when the law is enforced.

>>61149804
>That guy
Multiple people.

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>>61149705
>silly rabbit, idealism is for kids

your useless, nihilistic position has done nothing but create and then accept mediocrity since time immemorial.

please strive for a better world next time, even if it means dragging the species through hell to get there. once you have conquered this mountain, the view will have been worth it

Then why are there no republican law makers voicing their opinions of the monopolies if broadband internet? Or democrats? Net neutrality regulations are the best thing we have to keep the monopolies accountable.

>>61149752
>if you think the rest of my state
I can't say. I don't know your state and how well your state's social threads works.
But if cardfags can collectively do that kind of 4D chess, I cannot see why a proper regular state could not with enough effort.

>>61149813
Okay, maybe we're referring to different things.
But still, the second point stands.

>>61149663
The guy you were replying to was joking, but essentially, yes.

Since libertarians are so useless and so pessimistic about Man, they all too often think the solution is God, when without even knowing it they have proposed a dictatorship of cosmic proportions that cannot be challenged and provides all to everyone.

God is the most anti-libertarian idea ever, but libertarians are not intelligent enough to recognize this.

>>61149855
It's not just uploaders, downloaders get arrestted too in Japan.

>>61149820
>please strive for a better world next time,

We already live in a utopia, compared to 1890.

The fact I reject "free market" bullshit and "Communist" bullshit is not evidence of "nihilism. I reject both becuase both are modernist projects, they amount to the same thing.

Both Communists and free marketeers want to exercise "power" over others; I believe we should aim to flatten power relationships, as best we can.

>>61149869
Yes, it is illegal to download torrents in Japan. Like in most places on Earth.
Difference is whether it is enforced or not.

>>61149894
Downloading torrents is not illegal in the United States.

>>61149622
>in a market of at the most 3 providers
No such thing, if you're counting business & mobile providers, which is a fine alternative to cable for most people.

>>61149903
Only if you're downloading things like Linux releases.
The content is what makes it illegal in the US.

>>61149882
You know, in the 1890s, people also probably thought that having a simple injected cure for nearly every deadly virus, bacteria and parasite that affects children was a stupid idea that only foolish utopian idealists would waste their time dreaming about.

>>61149882
>free marketeers want to exercise "power"
I mean, free market ancaps are shit, but its for the entirely opposite reason.
And no, ancap don't exercise power to others only NAP and social contracts.
Which is exactly that makes it shitty and unfeasible.

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>>61149977
>tfw the other guy violates the NAP
>if I fight back, I'm violating the NAP
>if I make laws against his behavior, I'm violating the NAP

>>61148906
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/huge-win-open-internet-fcc-officially-embraces-title-ii
Maybe I misphrased it, but they're clearly couching their happiness in caution.

>>61149977

Anarcho Capitalism is a modernist project. Same as Communism.

>>61149868
>pessimistic about Man
Literally the opposite.

Lolbertarians believes that men will selfishly create wealth and better themselves and the other around them when given the resources to do so.
Which is not entirely realistic.
But they don't really mention religion/god being important to the ideology for reasons other than social contracts

>>61150017
Sure, I don't disagree on that.
Still don't make them authoritarian though.
I was responding because you seem to be misrepresenting them.

>>61150032
>Still don't make them authoritarian though.

They're backdoor authoritarians.

If you don't recognise their definition of "individual" nor their concept of "ownership" then they reserve the "right" to kill you.

>>61149827
>Then why are there no republican law makers voicing their opinions of the monopolies if broadband internet
They does, it just doesn't get any attention because it doesn't generate clicks as most rep constituents doesn't exactly care/understand how the internet werks.

>Net neutrality regulations are the best thing we have to keep the monopolies accountable.
Most big ISPs has already been accountable by virtue of the free market.
The last time someone tries this, they got really bad press and some blows to their stock.
NN may 'fix' this particular problem, but there are millions other ways an ISP can take advantage of their customers.
And even if NN does cover all million ways for whatever reason, it still raises the barrier of entry for new ISPs to make competition.

>>61150094
>Most big ISPs has already been accountable by virtue of the free market.

The "market" is cornered by the big ISPs.

>>61150052
Authoritarians implies centralized control. In which your example doesn't describe.

The same argument can be used for any other ideology.

>>61150101
>what is the free market
The market here is you and all their consumers first and foremost. Other players would be the media and so on.
And no, big ISPs don't control the 'market' as presented by the bad press and stock blow comcast received by doing something the 'market' doesn't appreciate.

>>61149743
Dude the us government gave up control of the internet.

Business controlled networks: SMS, tymnet, telenet, AOL, compuserve..
Please just get the fuck out of here i can make better non-arguments even. If the internet sucks it's trivial to attract customers to join a new network that has internet access.

Fact is companies just fuck it up.. enjoy aol faggot.

>>61150168
So your argument is:
>US government no longer control the internet
I agree, as stated in my post.
>There are other business-controlled networks that is not popular because the market don't like it
Also agree, the west (not gov-controlled china/NK) can choose which network is best for them and all the inferior alternatives goes to the dumps.

>Fuck off because i have no other arguments
Sorry anon, you should be able to come up with something else.

>>61150194
See >>61150219
>Also agree, the west (not gov-controlled china/NK) can choose which network is best for them and all the inferior alternatives goes to the dumps.

>>61150147
So there was a market. The market decided that people liked the government controlled internet more than corporate networks.

God you're so fucking dense.

>>61150219
You're not even a real person. Fuck I forgot.

Everyone head over to VOAT... the fucking unpopular pol version of reddit.

Nearly all those guys like net neutrality but it's too small of a site to dedicate many pajeet resources.

SOrry pajeet.

>>61150248
Ok, good talk.

>>61150239
I think you're a bit confused on the chronology, when the US gave up decommission ARPANET (1990), most other networks are still on their fetal stages as they are developed in late 1980s with the infrastructure of ARPANET.
So the market didn't even decide, it was given to them.

>>61147071
Free market is only better than public services when the free market isn't lobbying for public sector blow jobs

>>61150300
At that point the solution shouldn't be making everything public sector but lowering the amount of power the public sectors have that can be lobbied.

>>61147071
eliminating net neutrality is a way for ISP to open up a new stream of money. basically they can do what Google does and use our information to sell ads. we can use the internet without google but try and use the internet without an ISP. so basically this helps the Verizon of the world and we lose all out privacy.

>>61150296
No i might not be expressing myself clearly because I'm wasted.

1 there was and is tons of commercial networks.
2 those networks are gay and of limited usefulness because companies set them up to extract every fucking penny they can from customers.
3. The internet was operating unmolested this whole time and al gore came around and realized how great it was compared to trying to beat off to AOL
4 The internet was opened for commercial traffic in the early 90s but still mostly operated the same as it was in 1984 when it was converted to tcp/ip. T
5. This devastated faggot networks as people could now masturbate freely and openly.
6. Now Comcast owns more last miles than anyone and everyone finally realizes they can watch regular tv and not just porn.. destroying the utterly shit cable industry.
7. Comcast has to scramble to stay relevant.

Even if net neutrality stays comcast has a plan B to fuck you all over so it's so fucking laughable to listen to these paid pajeets arguing with me.
>>61150265
Yeah you're told to disengage internet argument whenever someones suggests you're a paid fuck in Hyderabad or Manila go fuck yourself

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you're still clucking this chicken shareblue? give it up already, you lost. you won't be able to censor the internet of "hate speech" and "cyber bullying".

>>61149868
>implying libertarians care about being free in general and not more narrowly about being free from government specifically

Government is the entity that must never control me because it possesses a peerless degree of malice

>>61150589
>Government is the entity that must never control me because it possesses a peerless degree of malice
Oh god I could show you things you retard.

>>61150610
>61150610
government evil is banal and not malicious you fucking retard. Stop making word salads because you like how they look you tardpeer

>>61150615
>In Eternity, Government is peerless in its malice, Ronald Reagan, 1980

Who am I going to believe: you or St Ronnie?

>>61149028

Don't blame me. I voted for Obama and he put a stop to the domestic spying.

>>61148339

5 cents have been deposited into your account.

>retarded murican problem
enjoy paying for something we have for free, fucktards

>>61148770
>Comcast doesn't own any major streaming service
Comcast and the parent company of NBC (GE) merged. NBC are the backers of Hulu. They clearly have no skin in the game, though.

>>61148339
answer my question you fucking jew cuck
how does net neutrality give full control of the internet over to the US government

>inb4 no answer

Someone please move this thread to /pol/ I don't want this cancer on my /g/

>>61149567
QoS controls have been built into IP since day one bro

>>61149404
In Los Angeles you usually have two choices total. Something fast and reasonably priced, and something much slower for about the same price. In my neighborhood its Spectrum/Time Warner at 50mbps or Verizon DSL at 3mbps, both for around $50 a month. Not really much of a choice in the end. And again, this is Los Angeles, not some unpopulated, backwater tech fearing shit hole