/pcbg/ PC Building General

So the only viable option at the moment are overpriced or shit gpus?

hard drives were a mistake
i got 4x3.5 in my Fractal Design Define R5 and holy shit are they noisy. Spinning noise mostly, but more importantly all the vibrations in there cause horribly loud and irregular buzzing noises that will drive you crazy.
Granted, it's two specific old hard drives that are causing this (8 years old drives), but still.
Once i have enough money to do so, i'm going 100% SSD

>>61137062
Did you mount them proper? My HDD is the last thing I would complain about. Everything else is louder.

>>61137091
So the Mobo and GPU are perpendicular to one another? Won't you require a PCI-E riser?

>>61137084
Yeah i did, no worries in there. I tried a fuckton of different mounting position, different cable management, different case, even tried some fukcery involving zip ties (funnily enough that worked the best). It's just the way it is, those old hard drives vibrate a lot more than the two others i have and are such create so much vibration the buzzing noise becomes incredibly loud at times. Thankfully, the good ole' method of kicking my case until it's not noisy anymore (because slightly different position of the hard drive cage causes different noise level) still works at times.
But yeah, once i get the money, i'm replacing my hard drives. The rest of my case is pretty noiseless because i can manage custom fan curves and airflow pretty well, but i can't do shit about the spinning speed of those hard drives so it'll stay noisier than the rest regardless

>>61137111
what are you doing

>>61137062
Is there much difference between the R5 and R4? I have the latter

>>61137145
More adaptability for larger video cards, better water cooling options, better dust filters and the door can be mounted to open from either side as well as a more 'muted' power light compared to the r4.

>>61137112

Yes exactly.

(original question relink >>61136931 )

>>61137052
yes, thank miners

>>61137014
>i7-7700k

>>61137172
I doubt so. Probably have to do your own custom mod.

>>61137140

failing to link a post in a thread. i think i got it now

>>61137160
Thanks man, I think I'll stick to my R4 and save a few hundred in a new build

>>61137194

Yeah, seems there are not that many cases with riser configs since the market's quite miniscule for those

>>61137011
Like 100-150 $ seems appropriate.

Where in the actual fuck are all the AM4 motherboards with wifi

I want to do a ryzen build with a 1080 in a define r5 but cannot find a decent motherboard

>>61137490
Wait you can get mobos with wifi? Holy shit I've been out of the loop.

reposting my questions from previous thread. im building a pc with these:
>amd ryzen 5 1600
>msi gtx 1070
>asrock ab350m pro4 (mobo)

im going to buy a 550W psu, does it matter which one ? and if it does, with what criteria should I choose one?

also should I worry about what kind of full case should I buy or any full case will do fine with these specs inside?

>>61137604
also does 32gb RAM ddr3 beat 2x 8gb RAM ddr4?

>>61137509

Don't do it. You want to be sure when you're off the net YOU'RE OFF THE NET!

>>61137619
DDR4 just has higher bandwidth and lower latency, it doesn't make up for lower capacity

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/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

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>>61137669
Just last thread someone was doing a video editing build you idiot

>>61137686
One in a million.
Probably editing ebin MLG 1v1 shootan game footage :^)

>>61137633
Kek. Thanks for the chuckle.

so any ideas on when the next gtx series will be coming out ? ie. 2070 or w/e

>>61137745
Volta is Q1 2018

>>61137696
yes i am

>already built desktop
>does everything I need it to do
>still desire cool tech to buy
What do?

>>61137972
Sell the old one, or just buy a second one?

>buy a 1060 6gb early in the summer for $230.
>gpu prices skyrocket
The 1060 does everything I need it to well, but should I sell it and turn a profit to get something better? I see them going for nearly $400 on ebay.

Would it be pointless since any card I get will be overpriced?

>>61137972
Give it to me and build another one.

>>61138098
Just hold it. I did the same and there's no point reentering the GPU market; just sit on it until the hype dies down; like you said, it does everything we need.
>>61137972
Are you me? I wanna build an AMD rig using white as my colour scheme but I have no need when my current rig is doing everything I need.

I guess there's no way to check how much fps would i be able to get if i had 144 hz monitor right? Do i just check gpu usage any by that guess how much fps would i get over 60?

>>61138268
Disable v-sync in your game and just look at the FPS counter through steam or afterburner

>>61138268
what? with 144hz monitor you'll get the same amount of fps you're getting now.

Is it worth picking up a 1050ti for my amd rig since every other card is currently nonexistant

>>61138306
>>61138309
Nevermind, I'm retarded. I didn't realise I had V-Sync on. I simply thought you can't see more than 60 fps in Afterburner if you have 60 Hz monitor.

What's a good 24" 1080p monitor

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>>61137014
>OP

>>61138461
I've got 2 BenQs and they're pretty shmick

>>61137052

the 1080 is reasonably priced right now because they aren't good for mining. if you got the cash get it. I did instead of waiting for the 1070 or 580 to go back in stock and I'm not mad at all, its a bretty badass card.

>>61137014
pajeet shill slide thread

sage in all fields

>>61138467
how pitiful do you have to be

>>61138499
The 1080 is a cuck card. Barely outperforms a 1070 and gets completely stomped by a 1080 Ti. Waste of money.

What is a nice mobo and PSU if i want to build a computer for my father? He doesnt play video games or do any component heavy things on the computer at all. But i would still want to build him something that is of high quality that will last for a while. I already got a working 780 TI card, a Intel Core i7-4790K cpu, 16 gb of RAM that is DDR3 and a water cooler for the cpu.
Budget is around 100-150 $.
Help a fellow anon out! I just want to be a good son.

>>61138588

nigga i am cucked every gpu out on the market is 700+ dollaroos

>>61138474
GL2460? How do they handle an overclock?

Is there any to do list after installing Windows 10 for the first time?

>>61138564
how autistic do you have to be?

>>61138643
suicide

>>61138643
install gentoo

>>61138643

pray that the nsa doesn't care about your deviant porn addiction

Just bought all the parts for my first build. Are there any tools/cables/etc. that I'll need that won't come with my parts?

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>>61137014
>check store
>1050tis almost twice as expensive as regular 1050s

Cryptocurrencies were a mistake.

>>61138643
Uninstall Windows 10

>>61137669
PC components are optimized for video game performance, have been for almost 30 years.

>>61138668
ganbatte

>>61138703
Dont forget your anti-static wrist strap anon

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Do non-blower style coolers pump more air out through the back and front relative to the sides?

If I block the back holes in a casemod would it make any difference in temps? There are barely any openings there so I don't think it'd affect airflow in any significant manner.

>>61138761
i dont speak zipperhead

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>wait almost 10 YEARS to upgrade
>10 years of gaming on a pentium
>finally when i have everything ready, cryptoniggers kill the gpu market
i want to die

>>61137659
But the speed it gives ryzen is important,

>>61138812
go to best buy then faggot

>>61138779
What would you recommend grounding it too? I use them all the time for school, but our workstations have ones that plug into the desk. I'll be building my PC on my kitchen table with no metal near me.

>>61137014
>i7-7700k - Only for 144hz
Explain this one, faggot. Different games react differently to high clock speeds, so one may very well benefit from them in games that don't reach 144 fps.

Oh wait, I already have the answer: you're that retard who takes every opportunity to shill Ryzen, inventing arguments against Intel in the process. Hang yourself, nigger.

>>61138812
I know your pain. I upgraded after 8 years.

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>>61138833
>Explain this one, faggot.
pic related

>>61138827

This, sadly best buy or if you are lucky and live near a frys or microcenter is your only option to not get ass raped by online price gouging. But get there early, when I got my 1080 all the shelves were bare except two 1080s

>>61138833
Name one game that can't stay above 60 FPS on Ryzen but can on an i7-7700k.

>>61138641
Never oc'd, I'm not that skilled enough to do that. But they've never let me down

>>61138864
Far Cry Primal aka OGA BOOGA BIX NOOD: the accurate detroit simulator

>>61138864
Does this have anything to do with 144 fps, though? His note next to 7700k is pointless and a passive aggressive way to recommend the Ryzen CPUs below it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rayor/saved/H4Vpgs
Is this is sensible build for my 62 year old mom? Her typical tasks would consist of general web usage, ripping CDs via iTunes, watching DVDs and streaming HD video. The most intensive thing it would have to do is probably 1080p 10-bit h.264 playback.
I wanted to keep costs low, while having a small footprint. My initial thought was the NUC line, but I wanted something a bit cheaper plus I remembered my mom still uses optical media a lot. I remembered my schools had lots of small form factor Dell machines that seemed to be pretty decent machines for what they were. Does anybody have experience with buying used computers from this line or similar ones? Is the build quality good enough that buying used is a pretty safe bet?

>>61138861
Top tier argument, friendo.

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>>61138882
>Far Cry
>playing ubisoft games in 2017

>>61138824
It benefits Ryzen but only if your GPU isn't bottleneck you in the first place

>>61138895
Yes? Are you stupid? If you only have a 60hz monitor there's no reason to get a 7700k over Ryzen because the extra frames won't do you any good.

>>61138907
thats a pic of OP, not supposed to be an argument

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Does anyone else have a 1080ti?
Is this a good or a bad score?
This seems rather low.

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>>61138954
>muh intel is best a 144hz meme
back to the >>>/gaschambers/

>>61138978
intel is indeed the best at high framerate at the time being

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>>61139026
Really activates my almonds

>>61138605
Most Seasonic or Super Flower made units

Good build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sB4Jd6
The QVL listed the 8x8gb version of the ram I chose. It should work with 2x8gb right?

>>61138954
Here's one scenario when you might wanna get a 7700k instead: when single core performance matters.
>here's when he flips and claims that all games are properly multi-threaded

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>>61139045
DELID

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sitting at 55 celsius under p95

should i try getting 3.8GHz?

>>61139073
Recommend this board
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yBtWGX/asrock-ab350-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350-pro4

>>61139073
Forgot to mention I already have a 1070 I got on sale couple months back.

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>>61139045

>amd outperforming intel on an rts game.

please tell me this is legit and we are finally living in a new age that bulldozer promised.

>>61139045
Cherrypicked static picture
I don't know why you think that 8 cores at a much lower frequency than a 4 cores CPU is better for gaming, why are you so much in denial about it?
Pick a 7700k, add 4 cores and clock it lower and you get yourself a CPU that performs worse in the vast majority of games. Cherrypicking static pictures from doubtable sources won't change that.

>>61139113
>bulldozer
Fuck off.

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>>61139113
>>61139118
>i don't like this benchmark because my favorite cpu doesn't win

>>61139159
some epic argumentation you have there
keep posting your static pictures, it's very entertaining

>>61139159
>firestrike
How about some games instead?

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>>61139170
>semetic screeching

>>61139182
>synthetic bench
Games next?

>>61139177
>games
unplayable stutterfest on intel, even on the 8 cores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybF7r4rogHc

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>>61139045
>1700X outperforms 1800X

>>61139197
>>61139177
see >>61139045

>>61138977
No one has a 1080ti for me to compare with? Is everyone in this thread poor?

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>>61139216
because its overclocked retard

>>61139197
>>61139177
damn look at skyshit-x, $1000 well spent

>>61139234
no everyone in this thread isnt retarded

>>61139244
>not even optimized to use more L2 cache
garbage

>>61139045
>5960x outperforms 6900k
>6900k only outperforms 7700k by 0.63 FPS evne though it has double the cores
>FX 8350 outperforms 5960x, 6900k and 7700k
>1700 and 1700x outperforms 1800x
epic my friend, simply epic
the more posts you create the more retarded you look

>>61139219
2 titles is all you've got? Or are you just picking the ones where Ryzen wins?

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>>61139244
>1700x OC / 87.56
>1700x / 86.25
>1700 / 85.86
>1800x / 81.71
>because its overclocked retard

>>61139091
Might as well
Keep load temps under 70C and have fun

>>61139244
>both OC and non OC outperform 1800X

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>>61139244
>damn look at skyshit-x, $1000 well spent
nice
>oh wow, people are calling me a retarded, better move the subject and talk about something unrelated to make it look like i'm not a retard!

>>61139244
>skyshit-x
We were talking about 7700k, not the Xeon tier ones. But my all means, keep latching onto the 1000 dollars CPUs to prove your point.

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>>61139268
is there a single game that is?

>>61139269
>5960x outperforms 6900k
margin of error
>6900k only outperforms 7700k by 0.63 FPS evne though it has double the cores
because games dont use more than a few cores do to pajeet game programming
>FX 8350 outperforms 5960x, 6900k and 7700k
AMD cpu + AMD gpu and async is the answer here, it makes shit cpus look good

>1700 and 1700x outperforms 1800x
because its overclocked and the others are stock

you are the only one that looks like a retard here

>le ebil intel ripoff
>here anon, be a good goy and get Ryzen instead so I can get my paid shill cents
cancer

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>>61139313
Moving the goal post: the post

>>61139281
>>61139293
its like you don't understand margin of error either

>>61139177
How brain dead are you? Firestrike may as well be an actual game.

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>>61139341
don't worry shlomo some dumbass will still buy intel cpu's

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>>61139301
>>61139281
>>61139293
>>61139272
>>61139269
>>61139268
>>61139216
>>61139197
>>61139170
>>61139113
>>61139118

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>>61139330
>margin of error
The 5960x is a much worse CPU than a 6900k you fucking retard, it shouldn't be within anywhere near "margin of error" when both get way outperformed by even a 1700 for some reason in the benchmark you posted
>because games dont use more than a few cores do to pajeet game programming
Then why did you go on to say the 1700, 1700x and 1800x performed much better than the 7700k and why did you post a benchmark depicting the 1700 outperforming everything except the 1700x, you retard? Fuck, it even outperformed the 1800x
>AMD cpu + AMD gpu and async is the answer here, it makes shit cpus look goo
You have 0 idea what you are talking about, stop spouting shit you heard on reddit
>because its overclocked and the others are stock
Can you not even read the benchmark you posted? Did you not notice it said fucking "OC" next to results that were on overclocked CPUs?

>>61139358
If anything, it's you moving the goal posts by bringing the 1k processor into discussion all of a sudden.

>pic related
What GPU was used there?

>>61139370

The 7700k is the best cpu for gaming, hands down.

You may want to get the most "bang for your buck" with budget AMD cpus, but not everyone is that casual.

>>61139402
#rekt

>>61139360
Firestrike isn't a game, though.
>>61139370
>>61139388
>using memes to shill Ryzen
Nice, you convinced everybody.

>>61139358
>its like you don't understand margin of error either
Didn't you just say
>because its overclocked and the others are stock
?
And how would there be a margin of error between a fucking 1700 stock and 1800x stock when the 1800x is clocked way fucking higher? And how is 5% fucking "margin of error" in any way?

>>61139393
>The 5960x is a much worse CPU than a 6900k

Utter horse shit. Clock for clock there's almost nothing between them. The 6900K is just clocked higher out of the box. The 5960X also overclocks significantly higher without needing divine intervention to cool it.

>>61139436
Feel free to look at real benchmarks all you want to realise how wrong you are: >>61139393

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>>61139393
>The 5960x is a much worse CPU than a 6900k you fucking retard
>he actually belives the 15%™ per generation® marketing

i didn't even read the rest of your post, you obviously have a mental deficiency, but hey you posted a pic of a $450 cpu matching a $1700 cpu so maybe you are starting to learn

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($125.27 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($89.90 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($144.89 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.49 @ OutletPC)
Total: $859.50

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vZhxvV

What do you think niggers?

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>>61139413
>using butthurt rage to shill intel
Nice, you convinced everybody

>>61139452
Thanks for proving my point about how retarded you are and how you keep moving the goal post

>>61139413
So because it's missing checkpoints and character control, it's null and void test?
That's some desperation.

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>>61139398
im just comparing intel's flagship to amd's flagship, no need to have a autism attack

>>61139454
I think you need to use more respectful language
What's the usage?

>>61138900
jesus anon do you hate your mother? get her an ssd.
also you could get a bigger monitor, like 23" or 24" instead of 21.5" but this one is fine too.

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>>61139478
I didn't move it i disregarded your post or """""point""""" because of your obvious autism

>>61139454
looks good go for it

>>61139500
Namecalling and posting memes doesn't count as proving people wrong and never will

>>61139479
Firestrike is 1 benchmark. Surely you can find some actual games where Ryzen wins, instead.
>>61139490
Flagship in what price category, and why is anon supposed to care about a 1k CPU?

>>61139493
Gaming, programming, RTL design, so mixed use. The PSU is a little beefy for it right now, but I'm planning on upgrading to a better GPU once the bubble bursts, and I'll upgrade to an eight-core CPU in one or two CPU generations, so I gave myself enough room that I wouldn't have to worry about upgrading it down the line too.

>>61139516
pointing out your disability isn't namecalling

>>61139517
>intels flagship is 6 gorrilian dollars that means you cant compare it to amd's fairly priced flagship
genius point

>>61139536
Looks good to me then

>>61139500
>Ryzen well built
>a bunch of core complexes thrown together

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>>61139517
>actual games where Ryzen wins
like any game that isnt ubishit?

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>>61139553
>pointing out your disability isn't namecalling

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>>61139562
works better than intel's BINGBUS or mesh shit

>>61139553
>>intels flagship is 6 gorrilian dollars that means you cant compare it to amd's fairly priced flagship
This is like comparing Ryxen to Xeon or multi CPU setups. Get back on topic.
>PC building general

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>>61139593
>Ryxen

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>>61139574
>point out that anon has autism so it would be better to not argue with anon
>anon replies with anime
well seems as if i was 100% correct

>>61139569
Show the charts, then.

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>>61139517

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>>61139610
Who are you quoting?

>>61139593
also not my fault that the most expensive amd cpu is $4000 and the most expensive intel cpu is $12000

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>>61139622
myself

>>61139612
epic GPU bound benchmarks

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>>61139636
>its gpu bound because it doesn't confirm my bias

>>61139612
What video card was used?

>>61139636
If it's GPU bound, then why does Ryzen pull more frames.
Couldn't be Ryzen actually being a better processor, could it?

>>61139655
prob a 480/580

>>61139624
Not my fault that you choose to insert enterprise grade processors in a discussion about game performance.

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>>61139658
STOOOOOOOPPPPPPP

>>61139673
Ah, so they are GPU bound tests. Gotcha.

>>61139690
See >>61139658
Answer it, dumbfuck.

>>61139658
When comparing CPUs you're supposed to use the most powerful cards available so you can fucking see the actual difference.

>>61139658
Stupid question, Ryzen doesn't consistently get higher FPS in there
Most importantly, a 4.5GHz 4c8t getting beat by a 3.9GHz CPU in gaming in this specific benchmark shows that the benchmark is a pretty bad one. There's a reason why you get more FPS by overclocking when not GPU bound, whereas there is 0 difference between a 1600x and 1800x.

>>61139675
and the mainstream cpus are

amd: $450
Intel: $1000

so whats your point? that i shouldn't compare the best AMD cpu to the best Intel cpu because it doesnt make intel look good?

>>61139699
he can't other than some meme

>>61139699
See >>61139704
Why would use a video card that limits the CPU when comparing CPU performance?

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>>61139705

>>61139708
Inte mainstream: $350
The 7700k

>>61139749
+ delid + 60$ cooler + "premium" z270

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>>61139749
no we are comparing the flagships you hebe, stop moving the goalposts

>>61139708
>7900x
>mainstream
you are very much retarded

>>61139764
Nobody mentioned overclocking the 7700k.

>>61139726
>>61139705
Because that's not how physics scaling works.
You need the res in order for more data point to come into play.
>no one said about res
Every time you cunts will say "But you didn't run it at 720p. Intel is still bettur even tho this test with a 1080ti at 1080p/4k proves otherwise"

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>>61139764

>>61139778
What the fuck are you babbling about

>>61139778
an RX580 still limits the test significantly.

>>61139770
anything that isnt a xeon is "mainstream", mainstream is anything designated for consumers

>4560 are out off stock on pcpartpicker in germany

So i should wait until next month?

REEEEEE

It is that easy to trigger an amd shill huh?

>>61139810
just get a r5 1400 instead then

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>>61139815
>not exactly since this entire thread is just one triggered intel pajeet

>>61139787
Doesn't matter what you do, it all comes back to clock speed with these cunts. Because that's the only segment they have left.
>>61139791
Search the Archive got "Go away IMG_xxxx"
You find benches with higher tier cards.

>>61139809
what you mean is "consumer", not mainstream. Amd call their R5 CPUs mainstream, R7 enthusiast and R3 Essential. x370/x300 enthusiast, b350 mainstream and a320/a300 essential.
Don't use the word mainstream like that when no one else does. A 7900x is not mainstream, it's a consumer CPU.

>>61139843
>Doesn't matter what you do, it all comes back to clock speed with these cunts. Because that's the only segment they have left.
Did you just get in the conversation? I know you're not a shill from your previous
>Search the Archive got "Go away IMG_xxxx"
posts. So i feel like you're mistaken about the discussion going on right now. Some retard was going on saying that the R7 CPUs consistently outperformed the 7700k in benchmarks, providing a picture showing the 1700x and 1700 outperforming the 7700k, 6900k and 1800x as proof. There's no shilling going on, just one retard making dumb claims and not arguing them / posting memes and name calling.

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>>61139848

>>61137014
With the ridiculous general out of stock fiasco for RX580, should I just get this bundle?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3531059

Or is it really a waste of money to get a R7 1700X for gaming?

Intels locking of CPU clock multipliers are the biggest fucking meme I know. Its like they don't want people to have fun now. Unlocking top models on each category is such a joke aswell. And don't come here with your amd bullshit. I don't need 12 threads, and no one else does.

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>>61139876
>R7 CPUs consistently outperformed the 7700k in benchmarks
every benchmark in this thread says otherwise

>>61139894
Yeah, R7 CPUs are a waste of money for simple gaming.

>>61139894
1700x is a waste.
But you can future proof for Vega.

>>61139912
Fugg. Just saw it was only a 4GB card too. Nevermind I guess.

>>61139903
>And don't come here with your amd bullshit. I don't need 12 threads, and no one else does.
What even. Did you wake up from a two years sleep or something?

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>>61139903
>all you ever need is 4 cores

>>61139909
No, they don't. What they do is show equal performance in GPU bound tests, which is to be expected.

>>61139876
Just got here.
I referred back to the achieve because it's a flame war that's been fought many times before. And the only parts where a 7700K comes out on top is in shit with low physics requirements. That's why you'll see constant "muh gpu bottleneck posts"
Be it a mid range card, or the resolution used.

>>61139942
>No, they don't
see >>61139612
>>61139393
>>61139358
>>61139330
>>61139244
>>61139182
>>61139159
>>61139045

>>61139946
>I referred back to the achieve because it's a flame war that's been fought many times before.
No it's not, this time it's a guy sperging out about the presence of the 7700k in the OP

>>61139454
Looks good. I'd get a bigger ssd personally

Guys, multithreaded games are the future. I haven't seen many but the developers will absolutely make video games specifically for RYZEN. I just know it guys, trust me on this one.

Also, have I talked about DIRECTX12 yet? It's the future.

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>>61139964
>/g/ is one guy

>>61139471
You're not convincing anyone at this point, new anons coming in this thread are just seeing flamewars between man-children and no real advice.

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>>61139976

>>61139977
Why yes, there's only one guy complaining about the presence of the 7700k in the OP. It's been there since very long. You're also very easy to recognise thanks to your very well thought of quality pictures.

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>>61139986
im not trying to convince anyone, im just laughing at you

>>61139960
The majority of these are synthetic benchmarks. In games the performance is about the same, give or take, except for the last one with TW Warhammer.

>>61139964
I mean the general 7700k V Ryzen war. Following the "Go away IMG_xxx" posts is the quickest way to find those arguments.
I've been an OP of /pcbg/ any only really find cause to leave it in to prevent such breakouts of shitposts from a intel shill we were having trouble with.
It caused no real harm, as 90% of buyers still went with a 1600. And thoes that didn't got a Pentium, or was a 1080ti SLI build.

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>>61140021
>anything that doesn't make intel look good is synthetic

>>61139995
Dude, AMD is the saviour of PC hardware.

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wew

>>61140046
>talking about gaming performance
>using synthetic benchmarks to support your claims

Moving from laptop to my first build so buying my first monitor, any recommendations, 1080p is fine

>>61139967
Yeah I'd love to, but SSDs are just too costly right now and I was trying not to dump a ton of cash at once. I only had enough for one now because I switched from an x370 to b350. I'm just planning on using it for booting and essential, big programs, so it should be enough for awhile.

>>61140068
>gaming

>>>/v/

>>61140040
>We're having trouble shilling AMD today, but it's fine because most anons get Ryzen anyway and our goal is achieved
$0.05 have been deposited into your account

>>61140082
If that's the case, do what the OP says and skip getting an hdd for now to get a larger ssd. The price/gb means you'll save in the long term that way.

>>61137181
u buttmad fag?

>>61140091
>synthetics
>>>/retard/

>>61140091
Still, people coming to pcbg for advice generally want gaming setups. Don't move the goalposts now, please

>>61140077
What ever's cheep, unless you want 100hz or something. Keep in mind if you want 1440p/4k sometime soon.
>>61140094
>leave 7700k in the OP
>people buy Ryzen anyway
All of my almonds.

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>>61140094
t. paid intel shill

>>61140120
>leave 7700k in the OP
>people buy Ryzen anyway
because everyone knows its shit, hence why it prob shouldn't even be there

>>61140120
>What ever's cheep, unless you want 100hz or something. Keep in mind if you want 1440p/4k sometime soon
Please don't make any recommendation when you have absolutely 0 idea what you are talking about

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when will the GPUs get back in stock

>>61140091
To where do you think they go for advice when they want to build a gaming PC? /lgtb/?

>>61140120
>cheep
>not advising against TN displays
baka

>people buy Ryzen anyway
Ryzen is good and cheap. Doesn't mean 7700k has no use anywhere.

>>61140145
Because it's only good at one thing and overpriced and anything else, but that one thing appears to be popular to a lot of users still. Just because you personally do not like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

>>61140154
May of 2020

>>61140129
>t. paid amd shill

>>61140161
So any cheap IPS monitor is fine?

>>61140171
>Because it's only good at one thing
being hebrew?

>>61140194
Sure, just make sure it's flicker free.
You can return it if it has backlight bleeding. VA displays are safer in this respect.

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>>61140180

>>61140154
Restock end of this month.
So check on the coming Monday and Tuesday.

>>61140200
Single core speed.

>restock happens
>GPUs are still obscenely priced
lmao

>>61140154
never. im buying them up to mine more shitcoins

>>61140211
>spamming bait reaction images without contributing with anything valuable
>mfw someone actually thinks this behaviour will sell more Ryzen chips

>>61140241
Careful, someone will actually defend this move by praising AMD cards again.

>>61140245
Not if I buy them all first to resell them to shitcoin miners and drug starved gayming PC builders.

>>61140225
>Single core
its not 1999 anon

>>61140282
Not all games are optimized for multi threading and you know this.

Any estimates on when graphics card prices will become sane again?

Will Christmas bring back at least MSRP prices?

So lads, supply problems aside

1060

or

rx 580

>>61140245
>>61140280
Good luck with that. I sold 10 cards during the last restock and made 150 / card. I already have my friend who works as a manager at the store "reserve" another 10 for me.

>>61140304
(You)

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>>61140302
>games
did you forget you aren't on /v/

>>61140312
When mining on GPU becomes nonviable.
You weren't here at the start of the bitcoin craze?

>>61140194
Unless you only play twitch shooters in a serious manor. TN can be as low as 1ms response.

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Intel actually getting btfo in frametimes

inderdarasting

>>61140319
They are nearly equal. Buy whichever is cheaper and has better cooling.

>>61140319
neither because they are all fucking sold out

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>finally get tax returns
>have i5 6600k which works fine
>want to upgrade away from the GTX 970 meme card
>cryptofaggots made prices skyrocket

Anons, why must this happen?

What card from EVGA would be best as the next step?

>>61140357
>supply problems aside

>>61140353
to the surprise of no one

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>>61140353
STOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPP IT HURTS

>>61140335
>unironically posting this as damage control when he runs out of arguments and the synthetic benchmarks don't help him

>>61140364
Even the price of 1080 has crept up.
I think only 1080ti has remained unchanged. So>>61137052

>>61140364
the ones that don't explode so no EVGA

>>61140365
580 because its faster

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my 960 gtx 4gb is holding up well with 1440p gaming at 75hz, but its time for one last upgrade so im thinking a new gpu, budget is about 400 USD, should i try to find a 1070 or wait for something else like VEGA? i want this system playing games well for the next 3-4 years before i do a complete new build.

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>>61140353

scrap that

>>61140335
>le no games allowed may may

There are lots of good games for adults, my good friend. I've been playing a session of Stellaris with the new Utopia DLC for like a week now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5IjvPvSPs

>>61140364
any 1070 with a 2 fan cooler

>>61140364
Doesn't that step up program things only works for up to 90 days after you bought your GPU?
Regardless, i personally wouldn't buy any EVGA card because of that exploding cards events that could potentially still happen. I wouldn't take such a risk if i were you.

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>>61140375
>he doesn't like to jiggle

>>61140388
You're gonna be forced to wait for prices to drop regardless because they ramped up recently thanks to e-currency miners.

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>>61140391
>doom opengl
no one uses that shit, nice try

>>61140387
Nothing blows up you fucking autist. And no, the 580 is within 5% of the 1060.

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>intel shill autistically clashing with amd shill in an autism war

>>61140394
Good anon, ES2 and Stellaris are patrician taste.

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>>61140394
>grand strategy

also

>needing a intel cpu to play shit that can run on a potato

>>61140433

>bench is only good when amd wins

>>61140437
>580 is within 5%
yea 5% faster

and yes evga cards explode
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/238633-evga-gtx-1080s-1070s-allegedly-exploding-due-improper-vrm-cooling

>>61140422
what about a higher end 580?

Worth it to go with Ryzen 1700 instead of 1600 if I can afford it?

>>61140486
That performs worse than both a GTX 1070 and Vega. If you meant GTX 1080, then it's prices are also ramped up.

>>61140480
everyone runs doom 4 in vulkan except for some 10 year old gpu that doesn't support it

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>ryzen getting trashed by a CPU from June 2014

top

kek

>>61140461
>can run on a potato
No, it can't. You are clueless, mate.

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>>61140441
Bet this will continue for the rest of the year

>>61140490
If you don't benefit from it, no. The 1600 has plenty of headroom for the average users and can always be overclocked in case for some reason you need more.

>>61140437
580 is actually within 2% of a 1060. it took amd a whole refresh to catch up the the 1060 and even then it's +- 2% and costs like twice the price currently.

>>61140503
running stellaris on my i7 integrated graphics, stop lying on the internet

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>>61140484
>yea 5% faster
Depends on the game.

>>61140461
>potato running Stellaris
Yeah I fucking wish it did.

>>61140528
>>needing a intel cpu to play shit that can run on a potato
CPU =/= GPU

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>>61140394
Just looked through the Paradox channel and HOLY SHIT THEY'RE MAKING A BATTLETECH GAME.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfM9otjBSII

>>61140555
Who are you quoting, nigger?

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>>61137014

daily reminder the 4560 is now a meme and no longer logical

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>>61140381
>>61140387
>>61140399
So... no EVGA, 1070/1080 Ti, with two fans on it. That's what you guys think is good?

Does EVGA have issues with their quality- what causes these explosions? Capacitors?

>>61140405
Next step as in upgrading anon, but thanks!

>>61140562
>CPU =/= GPU
>i7 4790k doesn't have integrated graphics

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>>61140595
daily reminder that only cucks and poorfags buy intel

>>61140595
Did Jewtel increase the price?

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>>61140624
yes

>>61140597
VRM cooling is sometimes an issue.

MSI 1070 Gaming X is pretty good and quiet.

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>>61140581

>>61140636
>games

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>>61140597
>1070/1080 Ti, with two fans on it. That's what you guys think is good?
Yeah, plenty of great cards from Asus and MSI with those, and stuff like PNY and Palit can also be quite good for the price at times. Gigabyte is also good but they shat the bed with the GTX 1000 series and made card that ran very hot yet didn't overclock very well (which is what they used to be the best at) so avoid if possible but it's still a fine pick.

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Complete newfag to this sort of thing, need a new laptop for general use and pro esports gaming of course, is this acceptable?

GeForce GTX 960M 2 GB GDDR5
Intel Core i5 6th Gen 6300HQ (2.30 GHz)
16 GB Memory 1 TB HDD 128 GB SSD

NEW THREAD

>>61140663
>>61140663
>>61140663

move when needed

>>61140675
laptops are gay and so are you

>>61140624
>>61140631

Recommended Customer Price
$64.00

>>61140676
Why so rushed?

>>61140708
To remove the i7 from the OP

>G4560

hyper threaded cpu for 64$
seemsgood

>>61140708
look at this entire thread and put 2 and 2 together

>bought a ryzen
>it came with 2 bent pints
>bent them straight with my fingernail
it works wew

>>61140724
>>61140726
That's quite a childish thing to do to rush a thread just to put / remove something you personally want

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>>61140724

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>>61140691
y-you too....

>>61140708
Gotta make sure he's the OP so he can shill AMD

>>61140758
Faggots like these should be banned for trying to control generals

>>61140735
No idea why he just keeps behaving like a child. See >>61140738 just for calling him out.

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>>61140787
>its a conspiracy against my favorite cpu company

>>61140758
create a new one?

I have this build:

i5 4460
16GB of DDR3 1600mhz RAM
Perhaps the cheapest H81 motherboard I could find
An r9 280x
A 120GB SSD

For 250€ is there anything I should actually upgrade at this point or just hold out for a few years until I buy a completely new build?

I'm also very shit at selling things so yeah, not considering that

>>61140888
Not much you could do except buying an hard drive if you don't have one already (because 120GB is quite small)

>>61140906
Yeah I have a 1TB HDD. Oh well.