He's fired, right?

>>61131473
POO

He will whine about AMD not being able to attract top engineering talent. He will cry about Radeon supporting AMD to develop Ryzen.

He needs to be shown the door.

Jesus. Don't you shills got better things to do? It's a fucking leak of a workstation card. How about we all wait until the gaming lineup is released before we start shitposting

>>61131632
>/g/
>not shitposting
Choose one.

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>>61131485

HOW CAN SHE SLAP!?

>>61131473
>have a pajeet as director of your whole gpu division
>wonder he produces shit

L M A O

>>61131632
If it's priced a penny over 499, It's done. Just like his career.

>>61131690
ayyy

>>61131698
It will. HBM2 is expensive. $600 is the most generous price you can expect.

>>61131698
Predicting $400-$450. 1080's already dropped down to $500.

>>61131739
With drivers it will be slightly faster than a 1080.

>>61131746
expect 1070 level performance

>>61131746
after 2 years lmao

>>61131473

As an AMD shareholder I want his ass gone. I don't give a dam if the silicon isn't as good as it should be. I don't expect miracles right now from RTG with the budget they have. BUT this launch has been bungled HARD. The marketing is confusing and misplaced, and I feel I've been misled by RTG management about what the card was supposed to do and when.
I do not trust this Pajeet shitter to bring Navi to market successfully.

>>61131759
It already does that with no drivers.

>>61131759
There is already plenty of proof it's at least as fast as a 1080, this shitposting is just turning into some sort of bizzare misinformation campaign from shills.

>>61131776
no there isn't

>>61131770
Yup. He has repeatedly overpromised, and under delivered with ridiculous benchmarks, and marketing material.

The drivers must be fucked, even that LN2 Fury X at 1600 mhz and 1 ghz hbm was near 1080ti, and fiji is just 2 tongas glued together.

>>61131776
show me the benchmarks

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>>61131788
Even the videocardz chart shows it's reaching 1080 levels. With crap day one drivers.

>>61131797
Or the architecture is absolute garbage.

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>2015 HBM gen 1
>Massive supply shortages and limited to 4GB, makes the fury GPUs more expensive than they should be
>2017 HBM gen 2
>Massive supply shortages, makes the cards more expensive than they should be again

Was HBM a mistake? Nvidia has been rolling along just fine with GDDR5X.

>>61131808
thats the frontier edition

>>61131830
RX Vega is supposed to perform even better than that, though.

>>61131825
HBM is fine, there are now several HBM makers, and Samsung has even figured out how to make a cheaper, less powerful HBM.

What was Nvidias last big innovation in the gaming space?

>>61131861
Tegras that ended up dumped in Nintendo Switch.

>>61131843
you can't trust this raja guy, obviously

>>61131890
A rebranded shield is not innovation.

Something that the industry has adopted and been used widely by the industry.

>>61131961
It was a joke. Thought "dumped" would give it away.

I already know from the start that that
Mr. Rajeeeeeeeeeeeeet is up to no good

>>61131825
Yes they should've launched a GDDR air cooled version and then the liquid cooled hbm later. They could've been picking binned chips while optimizing drivers and came in with a Vega and Vega "X" versions and >>gamers miners would already have cards in their hands.

Why would he be fired? Radeon is literally selling every single gpu they make all over the world. If was an actual shareholder I would be thrilled.

>>61132503
Miners the world over are giddy.

>>61131473
Serious nd honest question, who exactly "made" Vega? And Polaris?
How much work is credited on Raja?

What's exactly wrong with 1080 performance? Who and when exactly started shilling about Titan and Ti killers? 1080 performance speculations were right since the Doom benchmark and those firestrike benchmarks + this one guy's stream benching Vega FE in games confirm 1080 performance. It's all down to pricing. Even AdoredTV said that shit over a year ago - math is there and you cannot expect a 1080 Ti performance.

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>>61132710
375watt with 1080 performance, 2year late

>>61132739
I honestly don't understand AMD shills. This was fucking obvious for years now. But you do have a point. 1080 is much more efficient and I can only imagine Volta stomping Vega even more in efficiency to performance rankings.

>>61132739
The aircooled model is 300 watts, and it's only 2 months later than AMD intended to release it.
>>61132753
NVidia lacks a hardware scheduler, that's how they went from housefire Thermi to efficient Kepler. They completely removed it.

>>61131632
>Workstation class
Not a fire pro
No a gaming card

Is just a shit

>>61131473
why is his hair gray but mustache black? does he dye it or something?

>>61132796
AMD roadmap from 2015 stated that Vega will be released in late 2016

In 2016 Summer (Polaris Launch) they said "You need to wait a bit more for our high end cards"

In 2016 Q4 they stated that Vega will arrive 1H of 2017

The "gaming card" will arrive mid Q3


But wait... Theres more.

They Live demoed Vega in 2016 December 12 at the new Horizon Event

And Again at CES

And again at Ryzen Launch.

But it sure worth the wait

>>61132810
Feces

>>61131808
>crap day one drivers.
This meme, this shitty meme over there.

>>61132796
>hardware scheduler
Avx 512 in cpu world

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>>61132857
>Drivers for synthetic benchmarks.

>>61132865
Only because Nvidia can't.

Then when you see it working, it makes everything else look like shit.

>>61132889
Clearly AMD carried enough about games to put a gaming mode in drivers for their workstation card.

Hello

>>61132762

>>61132679
All of it, on both.

Any one saying otherwise is on AMDs payroll.

>>61132936
...
I heard this before

https://youtu.be/N_1F7UrI0PA

>>61132944
3000 behind 1080... Wait what?

>>61132968
Don't trust that faggot. He has no idea what he is doing.

>>61132977
Delusion: the post

>>61132992
He has a shitty system, and doesn't know what tge fuck drivers he is running. It is still fluctuating clock speeds even with the right drivers, and there is no gaming bios or software updates at all for anything he runs.

Or you can keep jerking off your green teeny weeny like a juvenile faggot, makes no difference to me.

>>61133028
>1800x
>shitty system

>>61133062
Fine, it's another random ass internet fag.

>>61131861
>What was Nvidias last big innovation in the gaming space?
Unified shaders? Wait, ATi was first to unified shaders.

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>>61132739
>>61132753

>>61133028
>It is still fluctuating clock speeds
He try to OC it before...

>Ryzen 1800x is a shitty system
Hello Jewtel

>and doesn't know what tge fuck drivers he is running
He used the latest driver from AMD website

>>61133094
>Fine, it's another random ass internet fag

Stop your damage control

>>61133028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=QuFG7pw_k50

Fuck off

>>61133133
I don't give a shit what he runs, he's some know nothing faggot that doesn't know what he is doing.

>>61133169
Thanks for proving my point. He doesn't know what bios he's using, and he's basically trying to crowdsource how to benchmark his computer.

I want it to be good, but even I know day 1 AMD launches mean fucking nothing.

>>61133198
Seriously, what the hell?

>>61133198
What do you want to do?

>>61133126
>Talks about 1080
>Links 1080 Ti and Fury X

Your point?

The problem with vega right now is that it is supposed to roll out a much more refined tile rendering mechanism. One of the elements that helps give nvidia bandwidth efficiency and power usage efficiency over amd. Here we have vega finally rolling out amd's attempt, and it seems just as hot, just as power hungry, and seemingly no more efficient than polaris. That's the real concern. It suggests there's something fundamentally limiting in the arch preventing similar competition with nvidia, not just a lack of feature set. Or a terrible implementation, which calls into question the engineering.

>>61131825
HBM is definitely the way forward but you wont see its true benefits until Navi

The biggest advantage (once production ramps up and costs go down) will be the greater power efficiency of HBM which will be most pronounced in Laptops and Consoles. Consoles have a very restricted power budget so if you can scale HBM at low clocks low heat output you got memory bandwidth that matches or beats GDDR5x and GDDR6 with less of the console power budget going to memory allowing you to push voltages and clocks on the GPU core higher (or put a bigger GPU in at the same clocks)

This will eventually combine with Navi architecture to create an infinitely scaling and ultra-cheap/+/power-efficient graphics solution that can then combine with the new easily scaled Ryzen CPU architecture allowing AMD a greater diversity of applications than Nvidia.

Take the polaris 10 GPU as example. Refine it and upgrade the CU's for better efficieny and clockspeeds then shrink it to 7nm to boost efficiency/speeds even further. Then take the infinity fabric concepts developed from Ryzen and connect four of these tiny ultra efficient GPU dies together like the CCX's on Ryzen. You now have a 10,000 shader behemoth with 32gb of HBM2+ and 2+Tb/s of raw bandwidth. Its matched with a refined Ryzen2 8-core CPU on 7nm. You have made all this fit into the power budget of a Console and can afford to sell it for 500-600$

With the New API's Games developed on console now port seamlessly to PC and run perfectly on AMD desktop hardware. The raw power of the console is so huge that PC gaming is superfluous. Yes the desktop will always be faster but after a certain point it becomes moot.

With Ryzen and Navi AMD will be able to connect and scale tiny dies of Memory(HBM), Graphics(Navi) and Central Processors(Ryzen) together in a seamless mesh fabric (infinity and modified infinity solutions) and scale that shit to infinity and beyond.

Vega is the new Graphics design. Navi is Vega scaled to infinity.

>>61131632
>just wait
yawn

>>61133254
There are both, 1080 and 1080Ti.
Really this shows that 375W is amazingly in spec

>>61133688
Vega is not working. Well, at least the way it was supposed to.

>>61133738
>Vega is not working. Well, at least the way it was supposed to.

Its on par with Quadros that cost 2x more what the fuck do you mean its not working?

>>61131861
>What was Nvidias last big innovation in the gaming space?
Innovation is pointless if it's crap. Nvidia are doing the smart choice and sticking with technology that is a proven performer.

>>61133742
It still handles 4triangles/clock.

>>61133747
>It still handles 4triangles/clock.
proofs?

>>61131861
Providing top of the line performance, which is what consumers want, and being untouched by competition for way over a year. But you do keep clinging on to your meme memory and see where does that take you.

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>>61131485

>>61132946
Polaris was already in the pipeline when Raja was hired, Vega is the first design completely born under Raja's leadership

>>61133746
>>61133790
Thank you, happy merchant.

>>61133738
Its working exactly the way its supposed to. Vega was never intented to compate Huge die against huge die with nvidia pascal/volta on the desktop.

The entire purpose of the Vega architecture is to redesigned every part of GCN down the shaders to maximize efficiency.

AMD is building a single design that is used in both professional markets (servers/workstations) and consumer markets (consoles/PC) because they cannot afford to make two designs optimized for each specific market.

Nvidia builds two separate architectures optimized for each segment of the market. Their gaming design (maxwell) which is literally what Pascal and Volta are. They are just tweaked and refined Maxwell on better processes. Dont get me wrong it works exactly like its supposed to for gaming so why would they change it?

AMD has no interest in compete in the high end gaming PC market with nvidia. Its fucking pointless. Even if they did build an ober GPU that beat Nvidia in high end gaming the nvidia fanboys would still buy team green whichis exactly what happened the last time AMD build a GPU that destroyed the godawful peice of shit that was Nvidia Fermi. Fanboys still bought fermi anyway even though it lost in every single metric and was more expensive. AMD cant win PC faggots over which is why they have stopped trying.

This architecture will be good overall because the baseline for the quality of PC games is limited by the hardware capabilities of consoles. So if AMD who makes Console SOC's can now cram more raw power into them on the cheap then the baseline for games will go up which will improve quality of all games across the board including on PC.

I expect Volta to smash vega simply because its gonna be pascal with a price cut and a new massive 5400-cuda core die on the top end.

Vega is the design. Navi is that design scaled to infinity.

>>61133874
Vega was all about pushing pixels. Its bad at pushing pixels. The design is a complete failure.

>>61133874
>never mean to compete
>just wait for navi now
>infinity performance

Can you stop your infinity shilling?

>>61133688

What I don't get is why they halved the memory bus width from 4096 bits to 2048 bits and made the memory bandwidth less compared to the Fury.

Like how can they be hitting any limits with HBM2 to the point that AMD would design Vega like this?

>>61133954
Two stacks versus four stacks.

>>61133934
>>61133927
Dumb fucks. This was never meant to be a high end desktop gaming GPU.

Its literally just for servers and Consoles. Thats it.

also the sales will be good simply due to crypto-coin mining.

They had 480/580's selling for 500$ each because of those miners. You think AMD gives a fuck if you faggots got a better gaming gpu than the gtx 1060 for 200$?

>>61131632
>/g/
>video games
>>>/v/

>>61133954
HBM1 on Fury had stability issues and the actually bandwidth wasn't and big as advertised.

Also Bandwidth is less of an issue due to advances in compression.

Finally that larger bus would mean putting 4 HBM packages on die instead of two which means higher cost and more power consumption.

This HBM tech is still going through its growing pains whereas GDDR memory has been around for a long time and is simply being refined.

The advantage of HBM and the reason AMD is banking on it is that eventually down the road the cost to make it and the power efficiency it has over GDDR will yield a major advantage for the next 10-15 years.

>>61131659
You forgot to change the y-axis title. Wouldn't want your graphs representing something silly like infrastructure development!

>>61134027
Did he really?

>>61134027
DESIGNATED

>>61134005

HBM2 doesn't seem like a big power advantage over HBM1 or GDDR5/X seeing as it seems like it's still hitting thermal limits and throttling according to early benchmarks. I expecting that some credible experienced tech reviewer will take some time but will be able to to post benchmarks on this later that I can trust more than some random smucks on the internet. PCper did say they ordered one so will probably wait for them to get their take on the card.

>>61132806
And no one cares

>>61131811
Or the shitty 500w psu wasn't enough

OH FUCK MINERS aretalking about buy it.

NO.... DETELE this FUCKING NOW.

>>61133973
It was explicitly meant to be a high-end desktop GPU.

>>61131632
This guy here is the actual Shill. It's in nvidias best interest for AMD to keep raja. He is fucking up every one of AMD's gpu products.

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>>61134539
SOMEONE STOP THEM

>>61134351
>non stop shilling about Intel's TDP on their cpu's
>AMD releases a card that a 550w psu might not even be able to support
>TDP is no longer an issue anymore

>>61134933
What?

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>>61134351
A new test with a better PSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFG7pw_k50

Vega is not better

>>61133874
>tweaked and refined Maxwell on better processes.
Was proved wrong a long ass time ago.
Pascal isn't Maxwell.

>>61133874
The 1070 is a best seller

>>61135053
> Was proved wrong a long ass time ago.
Compare schematics of those chips.

>>61133874
>The entire purpose of the Vega architecture is to redesigned every part of GCN down the shaders to maximize efficiency.
>AMD is building a single design that is used in both professional markets (servers/workstations) and consumer markets (consoles/PC) because they cannot afford to make two designs optimized for each specific market.

Vega is slower than the GeForce, Vega is slower than the Quadro, Vega is not efficient. Hurr durrr everyting is okay

>>61135173
They are different architectures.
Now Volta, that's just a Pascal rebrand.

I'm actually wondering why this card exists.
It's not a gaming card, and at $1000 it can't compete with similar offerings.
It's not a workstation card, as it gets beaten by much smaller (die) ws gpus...

The only reason I can think of as to why is AMD wasting Vega chips on this abomination (and not on RX) is probably due to the early chips being utter crap. Hence the delay between FE and RX Vega.

>>61135512
Actually, looking at recent tests, it's not that bad. It competes with a p5000, which is around 2x the price, and where it win it wins big and only loses by a little. Might be worth the thermal/electricity trade to a frugal pro.

>>61131473

oh plz just bring the team from fiji hawaii back

the HD 6XXX AND 7XXX era

I've looked at some buttcoin hashrates by curiosity on a stashed hoard postboom and those gpus still hold today

While you wannabe shills are defending the indefensible, AMD is already negotiating to sell the Radeon division to intel or apple at HQ

>>61136727
Raja trying to sale amd, fucking pajeet. just fire him

>>61136727
I don't think they should that, but they should leave the consumer GPU market. Let gaymers enjoy the monopoly prices.

>>61137293
Amd is in dire need of cashflow to avoid bankruptcy.
They also hold alot of IPs, so selling Radeon is quite lucrative.
What would come out of the deal is a healthier company able to focus on their strengths.

>>61137318
They won't be able to make APUs or they'd have to license it from whoever they sold it from so in the long run it's a bad idea.

They have already staved off bankruptcy with the launch of Ryzen.

>>61137331
>They won't be able to make APUs or they'd have to license it from whoever they sold it from
No. Standard practice is including a lifetime free use clause in this type of deals.
Example: Interl(or whomever) gets all the division and IPs, but AMD retains the right to use them free of charge for 100 years or so.

>>61137318
lol no, zen ship will save them

>>61137318
>avoid bankruptcy.
Every amd gpu is sold out. miner already save them. all they need to do is fired that pajeet

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Hopefully the driver situation isn't a mess in a month.

>>61131473
More like he's housefired amirite :---DDDDDD

>>61137499
>give "game" drivers option
>game drivers don't work

As expected of AMD

>>61137534
Lmao EBYN :DDDDDDD

>>61137549
Or they work just fine and they're there for compatibility and don't have engine hacks.

Who knows besides AMD? That Metro result of it being as fast as a 480 hints at some driver issues.

>>61137499
>>61137569
Definitely some driver issues.

>>61137549
Just like a freedom which UAssHey gave to its civilians.

>>61137549
Some software doesn't even launch using pro drivers, it's a compatibility mode with pro FLAGS removed, if it was a full gaming driver, it would need a full restart.
As it stands now, AMD has no gaming optimized driver.

>>61137615
So that's what they meant by Frontier Edition.

>>61137631
Personally I'd call it "meet 1H launch" edition.
They're gonna sell out anyway, their pro performance is pretty decent compared to a P5000 even with joke drivers.

How come Vega is 375 TPD? Isn't it 14nm?

>>61137690
Lotsa ALUs as high clocks.

>>61131770
>shares in AMD
lol

>>61137753
>He didn't buy in at $2
lol

>>61133874
Ah I was starting to wonder when the amd shills would pop up saying how Vega was always meant to be a piece of shit and that nobody has ever promised anything. Here we are.

>>61138168
>between 1080 and 1080 ti performance for <$500 is "a piece of shit"
Ok. You can fuck off now.

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repeat after me:

1070 level performance

>>61138272
>>61131808
Fuck off.

>>61138282
you are mad because you are angry

>>61132810
His hair is older than his stache

>>61138272
>>61138323
Reminder to report shitposting spammers. https://rbt.asia/g/search/text/%221070%20level%20performance%22/

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>>61138352
noooo not the reports. you know announcing reports is a banable offense pajeet

>>61138247
One year later, and all they have is Pascal matching performance. Not beating, not curb stomping, just on par. In less than a year it will be facing Volta. Not even a Vega refresh and respin like they did with the 400/500 series will beat Volta.

This GPU is another pile of shit from a long line of piles of shit from Raja. Your fan boy squealing in defense of this pile of shit says all I need to know how fucked Vega and Radeon will continue to be.

>>61138352
This one pajeet is a legit amd shill at this point.

>>61131473
Man, I loved persona 4

>>61131473
pajeet slide thread

sage in all fields

>>61138476
Cry more red team plus faggot.

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>>61138445
Consumer Volta isn't out until Q2 2018 and it's really just a Pascal refresh itself. 10-15% performance improvement. The fucking huge dies they're putting in Teslas won't make it.

>>61138485
Pascal was already a refresh.
Volta is new shit

>>61138485
>pajeet takes info out of his ass while damage controllind the turd that is vega
no amounts of huang memes will save you raja

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>>61138480
JUST IGNORE INTEL IGNORE ITTTTTTTT

LOOK AMD MADE A PROSUMER CARD THAT CANT GAYMEN PLEAS DONT NOTICE OUT XEON LINEUP

totally not a shill slide thread

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>>61138517

>>61131473

they can't fire him because of all the pajeet fanboys that look up unto him and all that casted workforce interconnection

Radeon hit its peak just before AMD bought them out, that team deserved credit

so if that team is now missing out stealing momentum from the cpu division - vega delayed to not overshadow ryzen and td/epic

radeon does deserve better they have credibility since the HD 4000 series until the sell out

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ur memes are weak son

>>61138535
Fuck off retard. This is gpu thread.

>>61138556
How old is Huang now?
>>61138517
Stop fucking denying Volta is anything but bigger Pascal.

>>61138485
It's a Pascal refresh of Maxwell, but not really, since it uses a lot of archutectural tweaks. Just like Maxwell was a Kepler refresh, but not really since there were all kinds of architrctural tweaks, and all they have done since doing these refreshes is take over the GPU space with superior performance per watt, full fledged desktop parts in notebooks, and completely dominated the only growing sector for parallel processors in machine learning.

In short, eat a dick with your whining about "refreshes".

>>61138565
>Stop fucking denying Volta is anything but bigger Pascal.
Literally kill yourself.

>>61138517
GDDR6 is being used in consumer Volta, and it's not slated to even start production until Q1 2018. So you aren't going to see consumer Volta until Q2 2018. Might be a paper launch before that. https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/nvidia-volta-gddr6-memory https://fossbytes.com/nvidia-volta-gddr6-2018/

>>61138535
This is abkut Radeon and it's incompetent leadership.

>>61138573
>superior performance per watt
Yeah, after they removed their hardware scheduler. How long until they have to put that back in there?

>>61138578
Oh boy surely 815mm^2 die will have good yields. Huang please stop going full retard dreaming about the datacenter market.

>>61138573
All the tweaks in the world aren't going to change the fact Volta is mainly just so Huang could make the BIGGEST DIE EVAR and sell it to workstation customers for $20,000 a pop. It's going to be 15% performance increase.

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>>61138558
>yes goyim believe what i say this is a nvidia vs amd thread no way is it related tow how our xeon line just got btfo, its just a coincidence

>>61131473
Housefired

>>61138606
Never. Since no one fucking uses asynchronous compute because Nvidia can't run it. And rather than piss off 80% of their potential player base they tell AMD owners to kick rocks.

When are AMD cards going to get that optimization trickle down from consoles?

>>61138591
see >>61138638

JUST A COINCIDENCE

sorry guys nvidia may have better performance right now but HBM is gonna win in the long run

>>61138638
>vega released
>it's a turd
>S-stop shitting on poor Raja, j-just look at intel
Go eat a dick at /r/amd

>>61138620
Retarded children responses won't change the fact that "Poor Volta" Vega is a pile of shit that will get it's lunch eaten in less than a year.

>>61138620
Implying the yields will be high enough for anything but two supercomputers.

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>>61138642
Dunno but the more games uses DX12/Vulkan correctly the more games AMD is going to score wins in with directly competing products.

>>61138673
Implying professional Volta cards will come close to consumer Volta die sizes and yields.

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will the idiot amd pajeets ever realize that continually raising hopes, over hyping, and then crushing them with shit products then going on full damage control is not a good marketing strategy?

>>61138671
NVidia is focusing on AI memes and workstations now. 15% performance improvement in a year, deal with it.
>>61138673
Finally, the 1.7% yields meme has come true. Now all we need are some woodscrew-enabled Teslas.

>>61138702
GV100 is 815mm^2 aka beyond retarded. Consumer dies will be 10-15% bigger than Pascal. That's roughly it.

>>61138694
>Gears of War 4
>-13%
So this is the power of Goyworks

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>Vega is shit
>wat we do
>start posting how it ws menat to be shit
>start spamming about hw sheduler and async as raja instructed us
>start diverting attention toward intel fuck ups
Hilarious

>>61138707
>finally
Fermi's third hot lot was exactly 1.7%.

>>61138716
Yeah. That's the one outlier. I wonder why.

>>61138663
>xeon released
>its a housefire turd
>vega released
>it's a turd
>S-stop shitting on poor Brian, j-just look at AMD

the actual situation, when will you ever learn that you cant fool an aryan shlomo

>>61138725
>Vega is shit
SPEC benchmarks say otherwise though. Vega FE is a reasonably priced werkstation card.

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>>61138725
Projection: the post

>>61138707
The fact you think it's a meme and not the fastest growing application of parallel processors that Nvidia absolutely dominates in shows you have no fucking clue how to run a semiconductor business and should just stick to waving your Epeen benchmarks in DX12 in fan boy threads.

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>>61131473
Does he looks better without mustache?

>>61138485

Pascal was made for compute power and AI primarily the changes from Volta will be more significant for compute than gaming though. The more interesting architectural changes are related to the $L1/shared memory and the increasing in capacity which gives more space like AMD, and the new SIMT model which could have some big effects.

Its likely that the changes from Volta will be more significant for compute than gaming though.

Nvidia's compute and gaming micro-architectures are very different nowadays since Nvidia has the money to develop multiple dies and tweaked micro-architectures. I'm not saying we won't see efficiency gains with Volta for consumer parts (we almost certainly will) but so far what we've seen for Volta seems more significant on the compute side.

>>61138745
Yeah it's looking pretty good for workstation tasks. >>61129462

>>61138755
>damage control the post

>>61138756
Meme learning is totally irrelevant to 98% of the datacenter market. It's a meme.

>>61138745
375 Watts! That shit fucking matters.

>>61138756
I think it depends on if AI turns out to be anything more than "deep learning" except scaled up a billion times.

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>>61138756
MUH TENSOR CORES

>>61138784
The aircooled version is 300 watts. There are 1080 ti's with that level of power draw.

>>61138774
autism: the post

>>61138757

no

>>61138786
Google's 30w ASIC is better than NVIDIA's abortion. The future of meme learning is mostly ASICs and FPGAs and nvidia makes neither.
>>61138784
You won't believe me how well GPU Boost 3.0 turns any gp102 into housefire.

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>>61138784
>375Watts
Fuck, really? That is so fucking good for the performance!

>>61138783
What a faggot.

And racing slicks don't matter much to 98% of the Prius market.

It is now a several billion dollar industry that only Nvidia is involved in. That is not a meme.

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>>61138794
ITS NOT TRUE

>>61138734
Nobody brought amd gpu division in the EBYN threads, poojet. Meanwhile every time the average amdtard gets hurt he brings in nvidia or intel.
This is why amd fanboys are constantly butthurt laughing stock.

>>61138815
Wow that's why nvidia's Tesla revenue is literally nothing compared to their gaymen cards. And it's totally miserable compared to Intels x86 server revenue.

>>61138813
I honestly didn't know Quadros were such power monsters. Good to know.

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>>61138813
DELET THIS IS ANTISEMITIC

>>61138831
The moment you start throwing moar ALUs at the problem is the moment efficiency goes out of the window. And Pascal is exactly that.

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>>61138823
JUST
A
(((COINCIDENCE)))

try again shlomo

>>61138849
Nice rebuttal, retard. Just proving my point.

>>61138826
They already dominate the gaming industry, they have no competition in the professional market, they have no competition in HPC, they have no competition in machine learning.

>>61138813
Neat, now what's Vegas power consumption?

Oh right, they didn't bother to send any out for review.

>>61138874
ASICs and FPGAs will kill nvidia's meme learning cards, AMD is always eager (and always will) compete for HPC markets, and gaymen are in who cares territory. That only leaves CUDA-locked professional market.

>>61138894
What the fuck do you think the tensor cores are? Just more programmable sharers? They are full fledged on die ASICS.

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>>61138813
Oh shit

>>61138908
And guguru's ASIC is more powerful and efficient than Huang's abortion. And no, it's not a 815mm^2 die.

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>>61138874

somewhat carried away, alot of devs shifted and their strat is gradual from low tier, this is from a neutral standpoint

and you're underestimating radeon instinct, afaik sentience doesn't have to be monolithic

competition in theory is supposed to be good and drive innovation

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>>61138862
>all these vega threads literally less than a week after intels biggest moneyfarm gets burned down (literally)
>no official benchmarks
>just some dumbass that cant even screencap
>10 threads dedicated to vega, an irrelevant halo product that no one will buy
>meanwhile something intel has dominated since its inception is no longer dominating
>and then you expect me to think that this is all a coincidence

>>61132679
Raja is the head of the branch, like how Keller was leading the CPU r&d branch. The actual team behind Fiji, Polaris, and now Vega is RTG China who has a track record of bad designs that began development before Raja tool over. I'd be firing the entire China branch, not Raja. Just like how Keller didn't lead any of the individual teams working on any of the Zen uarchs or K12 Raja' s not the one leading the individual teams working on Polaris, Vega, Navi

>>61138931
So when is RTG supposed to get competitive? Navi? When instead of two chips on a card we get 4? Not with the shit tier Vega.

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>>61138943
>vega release is a week after intel announcement
>it's shit
>people shit on it
>IT'S A INTEL CONSPIRACY
fuck off back to /r/amd

>>61138970
>Vega is shit
What? It's perfectly fine for compute and workstation.

>>61138971
its like you didnt even read the post, vega is still a month off and the (((FE))) might as well not even exist

>>61138989
>What? It's perfectly fine for compute and workstation.
Things that the Titan and Quadros already have a monopoly over.
Can't game at all, unlike the Titan though.

Useless:the gpu

>>61138944
Passing the blame.

He wanted RTG. He got it, now it's not his fault the products from his division suck?

Keller shut down K12 development because it was too slow. And focused entirely on Zen.

>>61139019
go back to your failed site kyle

>>61139019
Wat? K12 design was finished, it was shelved due to low demand for ARM servers you retard.

>>61138944
>>61139019

Call it what you want but their style sucks balls and severely lack something beyond the barebones tying everything together

>>61138989
>summer 2016
>vega is just around the corner and will btfo pascal
>winter comes
>"poor volta"
>vega is just around the corner it will btfo pascal
>q1 2017
>vega is vega
>summer 2017
>vega was meant to be shit guys

>>61139013
It's about as useful as OG Titan. People than need compute for reasonable prices will go for it.
>>61139041
Where did I say "shit", Kyle?

>>61139013
>1080 performance even with nogaymes drivers
>Half the price of competing Quadro P5000

Yeah, no.

>>61139032
Because the performance is shit.

>>61139057
When it's been touted to beat pascal and can't even touch 1080Ti a year late, it's shit.

>>61139088
And you base your claims on?

>>61139019
Keller shut it down because he's managerial level. You're mistaking coordination for engineering talent and until AMD replaces their entire engineering department nothing is going to change. When you want eggs and the chickens aremt laying the problem isnt the farmer, it's the chickens being garbage. Firing Raja is just going to leave the chickens headless and even if you replace him they'll still be just as incompetent. It's a myth that a good manager can overcome a lack of talent and manpower. It's time to get rid of the China team

>>61139096
Everyone from other campus were poached by Google or Tesla.

Wow now K12 was shelved due to being SHIT. Oh god this board is getting worse and worse each and every day.

>>61139082
So just like the consumer cards? A year late, and merely competitive?

>>61134869
raja creates a workstation card and says it will be inbetween 1080 and 1080ti

card launches
card is right where raja said

raja said the gaming cards will be above 1080ti
gaming vega hasnt released yet
nvidia paid shills are out in force

>>61139096

>myth a good manager can overcome a lack of talent and manpower

Disagree, what Radeon needs is a vision and to be inspirational to lead a meaningful change which a manager can do and not be shy about it

bollocks how the delay and the gap widened in the last year when it's a flagship

just not jiving working on some flimsy foundation a manager actually has principles and an ethic to work on to build that's what should be overcome it's not a myth

>>61139161
Would be nice if they could put out products sooner, but AMD is a small company with split resources. And i wouldn't call a 2:1 price/performance ratio "merely competitive".

>>61139162
>raja said the gaming cards will be above 1080ti

Source?

Last I herd from Rajeesh is during the Prey demo being happy about VeganRX Crossfire matching a 1080ti,
which is about what I'd expect from the cut down much cheaper version of a VegaFE (read: 1060/1070 levels of perf)

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>>61139162
So this is what amdtard mental gymnastics look like.

>>61139209
Beawesome, you need to put your trip back on.

>>61138831
Nvidia is really, really efficient at mixed workloads where the GPU clocks and utilization go up and down, much less so on full throttle since their clocks are high and there's very little power reducing tech you can use at that point.

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Sorry but who the FCUK is gonna buy a:
>500+$ costing
>1070 level performing
>300+w pulling
>AMD shitdrivers plagued

VegaRX?????

>>61139265
Definitely not a tripshit like you.

>>61139265
RX Vega is likely to cost $500 at most, not at least. It's already showing 1080 level performance even with gimped/nogames drivers on a prosumer workstation card. 1080 ti already pulls 250+ watts. NVidya's drivers on consumer GPUs have been pretty flakey lately as well.

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>>61139285
Das rite, I've been enjoying my cheap, affordable, efficient 1080 since over a year ago now

>>61139339
>cheap, affordable
lol
>efficient
Because they removed the hardware scheduler. Now you're going to see increasing losses to AMD cards in DX12/Vulkan games.

>>61139339
>cheap, affordable,
>1080
kek, I wonder how many of you aren't just shitposting.

>>61139363
>Now you're going to see increasing losses to AMD cards in DX12/Vulkan games
Just Wait

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>>61139403

>>61139265
it's a workstation card like quadro

>>61139403
That's what you do with gamedev. You just wait until lazy shits start adopting new APIs.

>>61139403
Don't have to. It's already happening.
>>61138694

>>61139489
>card released half a year later performs 2% better
Fuck How will Nvidia card owners recover

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>>61139501
>intentionally missing the point
>missing the point because you're a retard

What's the difference? None, really. You're still a waste of space. Kill yourself.

>>61131473
>He's fired, right?

He'll be the fall guy when AMD's benchmarks inevitably fall short... Lisa Su will throw Raja under a bus as soon as the shit hits the fan.

It's her MO.

>>61139520
>t-the o-other games don't count!
Everytime

>>61139548
>t-the o-other games don't count!

unless there's a surprise upset and vega isn't as awful as every indication is pointing it out to be i'd say his days are numbered

Honestly at this point it looks like the 580* is the better card for the money if you wanna discriminate against Nvidia at all costs.


*minurz shortages aside

>>61139707
RX Vega is not going to cost $1000. It'll be at most $500.

>>61139694
FE Vega still looks pretty good compared to Quadros in workstation tasks, though. Launching it with nogaymes drivers seems like it was their only option, they could not get them done in time. Maybe a month from now it'll be a different story.

>>61139777
Even their "workstation" drivers (they have no software profiles) are shit right now.

>>61139801
So you're saying workstation results are likely to improve as well? Because they're already matching a Quadro P5000 for half the price. >>61129462

>>61139826
>that amd shill posting the same shit in every thread

>>61139826
I mean their actual workstation cards (and not their not-Titan) will do much better in pro tasks. RTG marketing should be gased. Ryzen marketing is doing much much better.

>>61139859
>pointing out a workstation GPU performs well in workstation tasks is shilling

Sorry it's not MUH GAYMES benchmarks but it'll have to do.

>>61139919
It's doing suprisingly well, considering how bad it does at gaymen.

>>61139933
Would be nice if the drivers were actually fucking finished on release day.

>>61139940
Don't get your hopes up. Its AMD we're talking about, the drivers team is much smaller than NVIDIA's.

>>61139940
amd can't write proper OGL drivers if their lives depend on it
protip: all professional software is OGL
>inb4 vulkan
vulkan sacrifices accuracy for speed and professional environment values accuracy

>>61140010
Nvidia's OGL driver is a gigantic collection of hacks and workarounds. OGL is so horribly bloated it's sorta insane.

>>61140045
It's still several times faster. AMD OGL driver is still single threaded.

>>61140080
There's not much you can do with driver team being that much smaller. Good (i mean good not just working) OGL driver requires fuckton of engineering.

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>>61139953
> India produces bad drivers.
I chuckled like a retard when I made the connection.

>>61140165
RTG is mostly chinks though.

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GET REKT GREENS <------ lmao that was a dank meme i r89 r9001 390/3.5gb of v for vendetta ram, novidiots be like do a 1080 and walk awayy lmao, 144 wayy sly novideo grillforce gtx 480 clocked at 3.5hz 1080p 3.5 fps gimpworks edition, human eye can see only 3/5 ram anyways, nivea water boiler titanal FE(fanboy edition) at 3.5p, envidia fryforce shitan rascal 1080shiTi at 87.5% GTX(GetTheXtinguisher) (ngreedia pisscal thermi "malware experience" burning sillayy bridges edition with GreedSync support) + krappy fake $hilltel gore i$emen at 7700K (Kelvin) maybelake i911 delidlake cancer core jewtel 2066 killowatt "cooler not included in a box" coffin lake "end of life" edition at 0.90 GHz (a.k.a. Inferno Bridge) inteLELite "another late edition" <------ i0 r8 dat meme 2400/3200 of dance dance revolution ram. 8GiB? What do you need 4GiB for? I'm giving you 3.5GiB! mumble mumble 3.5!?!?!? mumble mumble mumble 390?!?!?! Should buy Raja 420 Blaze it Edition instead.

>>61140181
Ah, well. The points still stands, since China is also famous for psychopathic drivers and insane traffic.

>>61140234
That's asians in general.

>>61140219
where did you get this graph meme man?

>>61131861
What's the point in innovating if your competitors make all the money off of it?

>>61139860
>RTG marketing should be gassed
This. I said yesterday that AMD just completely stepped in it and opened themselves up to any nvidiot criticism by naming this card "Vega FE." It extends beyond marketing though.

I mean first off, you have the decision to release a discrete graphics card with an unclear purpose that is carrying basically the same name as your upcoming LONG AWAITED FOR gaming graphics card: VEGA. To compound the mistake, they gave it the "FE" designation which immediately invites comparisons to Nvidia's Founders' Edition. If AMD is claiming that the purpose of Vega FE is not strictly for gaming, then fucking name it something else!

Nobody would give a shit about this card if it was called Radeon Pro WX whatever. Professionals would have found out about it's existence and gaymers would not be trying to read in to it.

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sooooooo
was just thinking
since vega supports 16 bit floats at double rate of 32 bit.......
couldn't AMD force replacement of 32 bit floats as 16 bit for some shader functions via drivers?
shadows, radiance, filters, etc.. all the things that don't really require much precision, but require a lot of compute.
AMD could probably get a pretty big boost like 20% - 30% just from doing that.

>>61140548
That would be cheating

>>61140548
That takes so much driver effort and so much interaction with developers it's currently out of reach of possibility.

>>61140548
whoever that pedobait chink drawing girl is a CUTE
a CUTE!

>>61140574
>not knowing based reetz
Who the fuck brought this guy here?

>>61140574
>pedobait
>2D
UK is that you?

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>>61140574
>not recognizing Ritsu

>>61140574
Kill yourself immediately

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>>61140574
Her name is Ritsu and she is cute cute CUTE!

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>>61140566
it could just be done by examining the steps in the rendering pipeline
they could just manually choose each shader, whether or not to override the precision, check if the resulting image is correctly rendered and if it's of good quality

>>61140689
They won't because everyone would flip their shit once they hear the word "lower quality/precision" even if it's not actual visible

>>61140715
That would be hilarious to see.

>tfw AMD created RTG to quarantine him from ruining the rest of the company

smart on Lisa's part

>>61138813
>>61138831
>>61138835
>>61138919
>>61138838
This the total system bunch of retarded

>>61141548
It has 250 watt TDP. Removing baseline results in 175-475 = 300 watts used. It was an AIDA64 stress test, though.

>>61131473
Nah I bet he has been raped so many times by Lisa that he will never be able to leave.

>>61141596
I don't think you know what CP is

>>61141596
Look at that
The hotpockets finally did their jobs.

>>61140715
Nvidia doing something similar, seen it few time in this year already.

Halo no water effect, pray shadow, doom render delay

and no one give a fuck

>>61142377
Well, it's nVidia, they can do whatever they want.

>>61142377
Nvidia managed to live through telemetry and literally releasing frying drivers a few times, nothing is stopping them.

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>>61140715
Any oldfag here remembers the FX5800?
Besides the horrible Hair-dryer meme card it was, it was also fucking cheating on texture filtering.
Why NVidia didn't disappear at the time, I still don't understand.

>>61143396
Because marketing.

>>61143396
Honestly if RX Vega's gaming performance is like the FE's current gaming performance, Vega will be a repeat of r600

>>61143528
I wouldn't mind Vega being r600 if Navi is r700

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>>61143396
because people skipped it and bought 6xxx
everyone had 4200Ti which held well
also ATi has no drivers was more relevant than ever

>>61143396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qspdnAYiiug
The loudest shit i've ever heard.

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One small detail, guys.

This here says that Vega has 16 ROPs.

So it might not be fully utilized?

>>61143633
Vega FE is barely fucking working.

>>61143633
Don't be silly, drivers are a mess, the pro drivers are somewhat working but game ones are Fiji ones.

>>61143528
They will have the drivers working in a month, or entire Radeon team is gonna get axed. I hope.

>>61143658
Pro drivers are working somewhat fine, the performance is in line with what i've expected from Vega without software profiles.
>but game ones are Fiji ones.
Wut?

>>61143592
Even back then, the driver thing didn't hold up.
It's been going on since the Rage Pro cards ffs.
I had a radeon 8500 and later a 9700, and never experienced this so called bad drivers experience everybody talks about.
If anything, NVidia's driver panel has barely evolved since TNT2 era. It's just terribad.

this thing has 40% higher clocks than Fury X and also 40% more points in FireStrike

this either means that Vega has literally no architectural improvements at all, or that the results are bogus somehow

>>61143685
Fiji fallback mode, there are no Vega gaming drivers, at least not unless you have internal AMD ones.
RTG marketing guy admitted a few hours ago that the drivers are older, and that lines up right with programs detecting 17.1.1 drivers.

>>61143700
>If anything, NVidia's driver panel has barely evolved since TNT2 era. It's just terribad.
It can't even scale properly on modern resolutions. It's fucking atrocious.
>>61143708
Looks like is uses cobbled together Fiji drivers for gaymen. The pro results are in line with what you'd expect from it.
>>61143715
Oh well.
That's why it performs like an overclocked Fury X.
Why the fuck did they even release it? It almost killed their fucking reputation.

>>61143715
Either the driver situation is far worse than I expected or "gaming mode" is just a basic compatibility check for testing, or AMD is withholding the drivers until RX for a "SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER"

Personally, they should have released FE a month latter, but its pro performance is fine so I guess there's no real need

>>61143685
some AMD guy mentioned the gaming drivers were "old"

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-10-vega-11-and-vega-20-rumors-and-discussion.59649/page-119#post-1989522

they might not be Fiji exactly but they're probably not done either, and it would explain >>61143708

the most likely thing here is that Vega just isn't finished and they low key released FE as quietly as they could manage so they could tell investors they met their deadline

sadly it backfired anyway lel

At least hashrate looks shit compared to running costs.
>Please let this be the case!

>>61143766
A "SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER!" would be hilarious to watch.
But hey, AMD marketing can't help shooting itself in the face with a shotgun over and over again

>>61143772
word is HBM2 is shit at mining for some reason I can't quite remember

I'm actually hoping that's true

>>61143700
PS2 ports like onimusha refused to start on ati cards at the time.

>>61143766
They said Q2 2017 for Vega. I think it was their only choice.
Hey, at least it looks nice and is not throttling on standard blower.
>>61143769
> sadly it backfired anyway lel
It always backfires for AMD. Release too early and undercooked? Everyone throws autistic shitfits. Release too late? Everyone throws autistic shitfits.

>>61143793
Latency, the same way GDDR5x is trash for mining.

>>61143792
I personally think it's some kind of a internal joke to see which marketing teams manage to make AMD look worse.
Well, it's 2017, if they really got a good product bad marketing won't really amount to much since the internet will market it for you.

>>61143799
people act like Pascal is going to saturate the market and that's bullshit. there is never going to be a shortage of GPU buyers.

release late but release good I say. both Polaris and Ryzen were out of the gates before real world perf was anywhere near ideal and it fucking boggles the mind that they're doing it AGAIN

>>61143833
Marketing tricks still work on gaymen market since 3.5 memes sold like fucking hotcakes.
>>61143792
>But hey, AMD marketing can't help shooting itself in the face with a shotgun over and over again
They've been doing this since forever, anon. AMD makes good hardware. They are bad salesmen.

>>61143795
Well I didn't play that game, so I wouldn't know.
But I played a whole bunch of them at the time and don't remember it ever not working.
I even played Crysis on an A64 3400+ with my 9700 @ 800x600 super low when my P4 just broke with everything on it.

>>61143852
FreeSync makes AMD GPUs extremely attractive for average buyer. That's why there's some extreme amounts of HYPE surrounding Vega. They need to cook BOTH gaymen drivers and ROCm in a month. Man i feel bad for pajeet and his team.

>>61143859
this

Zeppelin + Infinity Fabric is the craftiest thing I've ever seen a hardware manufacturer do. they have world class engineers on hand and now they also have competent leadership.

but the fucking marketing, jesus christ...

>>61143923
Ryzen marketing is pretty nice. RTG is heavily lacking though.
>Zeppelin + Infinity Fabric is the craftiest thing I've ever seen a hardware manufacturer do
Intel spreading FUD about Zeppelin was THE MOST HILARIOUS thing i've ever seen. You can FEEL their envy.

Mommy Su please strangle your marketing department, twice.

>>61143962
She should strangle RTG marketing department. No, releasing undercooked products to meet the deadline is never an answer, see Thermi.

Fiji fallback mode explains 4 traingles/clock.

>>61143998
Actually, I expect the double driver package to not have RX drivers at all for months until the they're stable and will continue to use compatibility drivers.
Though I guess when RX drivers come out you can install them, but then no driver switching on the fly

>>61143998
They never said anything about how many triangles it can push per clock.

>>61144067
I think they'll update double driver along with RX drivers, since Vega FE is basically a Titan (actually Titan, not an overpriced toy).
>>61144072
Oh really?

>>61144089
>Oh really?

Really. There was a marketing slide with a bunch of infographics and people considered it a tech spec.

>>61144113
They literally specified that Vega pushes 11 triangles/clock on 4 shader engines in the endnotes.

>>61143953
Kaby Lake-X is particularly telling. They're going all out on the one advantage they have left (clock) but there's no way they can match the sheer fucking yields and horizontal scalability AMD has right now.

TR and Epyc are going to be a fucking disaster for Intel.

>>61144138
Too bad they can't win the clock race against 7nm LP.

>half the performance of a 1080 in Metro LL
>pro and "gaming" driver have no performance differences
>slower than Fiji per clock

I think drivers are gonna need to git gud

>>61144267
It's "gaymen" mode makes Vega an overclocked Fiji, anon.

>>61144267
This shitstorm could have been avoided if the "gaymur" mode was renamed to "game testing/debug mode"
People actually think Vega can hotswap drivers on the fly like that, fucking ridiculous, mostly for the fact that NT can't reload the 3D module without a restart.

>>61144332
That's why mommy Su needs to purge RTG marketing niggers.

>>61143749
>Why the fuck did they even release it?
It works in its intended purpose -- work related tasks. And it looks like works pretty well for its money. I guess this and the fact that thing should've been released few month back
Speaking of AMD, when exactly can we expect Q2 report? I am mildly curious at ryzen impact now that it was out for quite some time

>>61144419
Q2 will have Ryzen 5 sales and ALL the money for mining craze. True shoah starts Q3 with EPYC.

>>61144419
Early August IIRC

>>61144460
Thanks. I guess I'll have to Just Wait™

>>61144433
I'm not count on EPYC until Q4 and Ryzen still is lacking (desktop)APUs, R3, Pro, TR and mobile.

All in all these Zen based consumer products will have more revenue than Ryzen 5 and 7 combined, so yeah, not really gonna get the full picture until Q1 next year.

>>61144548
Anyway, they need to write fucking drivers ASAP.