Find a flaw

>>61124311
yast, zypper

>>61124406
not an argument

>>61124311

No nvidia repos on tumbleweed
lack of basic software

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>>61124526
flaws aren't arguments, they're facts.

>>61124311
the logo

>>61124614
Correct. Arguments would be something more like, oh say, "YOUR WRONG!!!"

>>61124651
This. Fuck gecko/lizards.

>>61124870
It's a chameleon

>>61124655
>Your

>No support for kfreebsd or hurd
literal garbage

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>>61124870

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>>61124311
I can't.

>>61124651
actually enough people complained and there's a setting to change it..

>>61124614
Yast and zypper are great.

>>61124406
You're confusing pros with flaws.


>>61125125
Why? The logo is cute.

>>61125322
>You're confusing pros with flaws.
>>61125142
>Yast and zypper are great.
The delusion is real

>>61124311
over 3000 packages in "base" KDE install

>>61124311
Open build service requires an account. That just rubs me the wrong way. also, i3 isn't officially packaged by them and only available through open build service.

>>61125399
>0 (zero) arguments

>>61124551
>using nvidia in 2017

>>61125399
>The delusion is real
stop talking about yourself

Font rendering :(

>>61124614
Fuck off animefag
This is a technology board, not a cartoon pedo cartel.

>Rolling
>Firefox ESR

>Two network managers by defaut
>Nvidia
>RPM
>Bloated af
>Yast
>Font rendering

Just tell me when to stop

>>61126265

Firefox ESR and they dont even have IceCat

>>61126265
>Rolling
It's a pro,we're in 2017 for fucks saké
>Firefox ESR
Who cares of the default browser
>Two network managers by defaut
More choice is good
>Nvidia
?
>RPM
Not a flaw
>Bloated af
I don't think so
>Yast
It's a pro.
>Font rendering
It's perfect on my sistem
>Just tell me when to stop
Stop, your embarrassing yourself

>>61126485
Nothing wrong with rolling or Firefox ESR but it's a rolling-release distribution and the newest Firefox they offer is Firefox 52 ESR. Even Ubuntu 16.04 has Firefox 53 available. That's just embarassing.

By Nvidia I meant the lack of Nvidia drivers. Performance on my card is absolute bullshit (not even games, just the damn DE), unless I use the proprietary drivers.

Are you on hi-dpi/laptop? Then font rendering might be fine but on a regular 1920x1080 desktop it's really ugly.

Choice is good but you have a ton of network managers on the repo. Why include two on the install when only one can be used? Why use wicked by default and have network manager show you're offline? Wicked is not that good for a desktop user. Damn.

>>61126611
You should ask Nvidia to give up some documentation so you can actually make open sauce drivers for their cards, otherwise your only choice is proprietary, because nouveau is shit all around unless you have something ancient.

>>61126485
>Font rendering
>It's perfect on my sistem

OpenSUSE can't do subpixel rendering.

>>61124311
There is no flaw

>openSUSE Leap Is Now 99.9% Enterprise Distribution


https://www.linux.com/blog/event/open-source-summit-na/2017/6/opensuse-leap-enterprise-distribution

>>61126611

>Are you on hi-dpi/laptop? Then font rendering might be fine but on a regular 1920x1080 desktop it's really ugly.

Fair enough, I use it on a 1080p laptop

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It just werks®

>>61124311
systemd
Seriously? No one mentioned this yet?

>>61124406

>yast
>flaw

>t.virgentoo

>people don't like yast or zypper
What the fuck? Yast has a good GUI for basic and intermediate configuration(nobody's stopping you from using vim) while zypper is by far the fastest and most reliable package manager, libsolv and SAT solvers are godly.

>>61127537
>implying I use gentoo
I use Ubuntu and Debian like all non-retards.

>>61127589
>zypper
>fast and reliable
proofs please

>>61127599
>Ubuntu
Are you even adult?

>>61124311
I neither know nor care what you are on about.

>>61127662
Yes, there's a reason why governments, developers, small businesses and giant corporations, largely use Ubuntu and Debian, and that's because they offer a Linux distribution that requires the least fuckery for common tasks.

>>61124406
Actually I can agree. SLE and openSUSE remain one of not many distributions with a package manager that cannot show the dependency tree of a package.
Gentoo got

equery g --depth=0

and

emerge --tree

Debian got

apt-rdepends

and

debtree

Other RPM distros got

repoquery

There's no such a tool for SUSE family.

>>61127510
Im on a 1080p desktop and the fonts hurt my eyes. (Doesnt care how much I change the settings on yast)

It keep me away from opensuse since I hate use external repos

Its sad cuz I love how opensuse works :(

>>61127737
They use RHEL you dumb nigger.

>>61127907
Look at the numbers, nobody uses RHEL except the DoD and hospitals

>>61127737
>no support
>no warranty
No government nor financial business would ever use a solution without support nor warranty. That's why they mostly use fully commercial products.
The first are bounded by laws, the later are fucked if something goes wrong and there's no one to blame it on.

>>61127599
>proofs please
Are you literally retarded or just pretending?
Libsolv is ages ahead of anything other package managers use.

>>61127750
>what is yast

>>61128077
>what is FATE open since 6 years for exactly this feature
https://features.opensuse.org/309579

YaST cannot do this.

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>>61127737
Like they use Windows and think it's best shot?

>>61127944
>nobody uses RHEL
Besides the US military, governments, hospitals, universities, CERN/NASA/other science institutions, hyperscalers and cloud providers?

>lack or important software
>zypper is slow as hell and leads to package conflicts
>yast is buggy as hell
>installer is trash
>missing many codecs
>no nvidia repo
>buggy packages
>shitty logo
>shitty forums
>has failed to boot on numerous occasions
>many for the 3rd party programs fail to install
>most of them are abandoned
>cant use steam
>their version of firefox has shit tier rendering
>leap has slow outdated packages
>tumbleweed is broken package
>programs either have an AUR build or a ppa but never a .ymp
>poor OS for troubleshooting
>btrfs is trash on it
>bloated as hell
>shilled by everyone yet no one seems to use it
>shit font rendering
>brightness keys dont work at first
Just to name a few

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>>61124311
Why are you all debating over a mediocre distro when you can just use Arch Linux?

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>>61124870

>>61128106
>https://features.opensuse.org/309579
Neither could apt and portage doesn't even come close to this.

>>61126611
They emphasize stability, no? That's why ESR is the default.

>>61128622
All memes.

>>61128970
>what is equery

>>61128809

>archfags

>>61124311
It took me a more work to get an Opensuse installation working as I wanted than an Archlinux one.

>>61130965
Are you sure you don't have impaired mental faculties?

>>61124311
redhat vs. suse thread?

>>61124406
>yast
>flaw
dude it lets me configure grub so fucking easily

>>61124311
-Btrfs breaks on low diskspace, snapper default settings do not take small disks into account
-low amount of packages compared to debian distros, no xsensors, deadbeef unless you add unofficial repo
-more business oriented, low amount of support for things such as steam, as such steam breaks a lot
-no ZFS in installation wizard because of licensing
-codecs and proper media support requires adding the packman repo, in Ubuntu this is a checkbox during installation

Apart from those OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is awesome.

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>no live image
>yast duplicates and sometimes conflicts with desktop environment's built-in settings
>nvidia drivers not in repos
>default filesystem is btrfs, which has glaring bugs like it completely breaks in certain RAID configurations
>retarded logo
>made by germans instead of americans

pic related is the real master race distro

>>61131574
Dat last one is a plus

>>61124311
>logo is an alt right neonazi hate symbol

It's not relevant in the current year.
Nothing is except for debian/ubuntu and rhel anymore.

its not windows 7

>>61134314
/thread

>>61126265
Leap is the regular vanilla version of opensuse and the one that should be compared with other distros. Leap isn't rolling.

Why do autists always assume opensuse = tumbleweed.

>>61127589
Yep. And yast has an ncurses interface so it can be used in terminal over ssh etc.

If you need to do some autistic shit like add a kernel parameter yast allows that easily. With other distros you end up trawling through out of date guides and passive aggressive forum posts to find out how to do niche shit like that.

>>61124406
Zypper is easily one of the best package managers out their. The only one I can think of that might be better is pacman.

>>61131611
This desu.

>>61131574
NoVidya is in repos in the stable isn't it? I agree on the live image part, they should include it.

>>61124311

slow and bloated

>>61131611

kek yes

>>61126233
True

>>61128049
And RedHat/Fedora have switched to libsolv because it was so much better than what they had with yum.

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>>61124311
has tons of useless packages that cant be removed permanently. they can be removed but the next update will reinstall everything.

>>61124655
What are you even talking about. I am member of the opensuse project and there was never such discusion.
openqa, obs, yastfirewall and yast itself are top tier software. Most times you have to use terminal , but with yast BAM, all in one.

>>61127737
I love opensuse but if the government want to use linux, they use Ubuntu https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/government
Also linux failed in Munich due to microsoft's intervention.

>>61128918
God I wish that were me

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>>61124870
Shit taste