VEGA 3DMARK Benchmarks - literally the 1080 graphic score

I'm gonna wait for more people to get their cards before i'm jumping the ship. This define guy is kinda weird.

Wait for navi

I feel bad for Raja

>TFW JUST BOUGHT A 144HZ FREESYNC MONITOR AND WAS GONNA UPGRADE MY RX 480 TO VEGA

1070 level performance, should've bought a g-sync for double the price and upgraded to 1080 ti instead. Fuck man...

guess I'm sticking with the 1070 for a couple generations

I mean who's fault is this, Raja's? They always seem to be presenting new GPU technologies that never amount to anything. Realistically I doubt Raja is doing it all himself but he's the leader and seems well aware of everything his team is doing...

I really don't think he's anywhere near the level of someone like Jim Keller. They need to get a real GPU architect in there.

>>61123026
I'd pay $300-$400 for it.

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buying vega for 1000$

not having bought a 1080ti 1 year ago for half the price

absolute stupidity

>>61123145
>1080Ti
>1 year ago
>half the price

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I could get a 1080 SLI for the same price???

And have 170% the performance???

AMD needs to sell its GPU division to intel ASAP b4 it bankrupts them

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That's it I'm gonna buy Intel/Nvidia instead fuck u AMD

>>61123145
>buying a pro-sumer card for gaming
People can't get more retarded then that

>>61123026
Pretty nice tbqh, 1600MHz getting the same performance as a 1924MHz Pascal 1080.

> brainlet complaining about the price
That's the Frontier edition, it's only comparable with the Titan XP, which is the same price.

The RX Vega will come soon, and it will be much cheaper.

>>61123246
It's 4096ALU card, anon. These numbers are TOO low.

>>61123074
i mean are you so tech illiterate that you don't factor in that vega FE is not a gaming card and that it's being tested on old drivers? or that that the guy who released the bench has a shitty PSU?
i really hope you're just ironically shit posting.

>I can't get stable clocks while benchmarking, working on it
>goes quiet

OH COME THE FUCK ON DON'T LEAVE US HANGING

>>61123305
>or that that the guy who released the bench has a shitty PSU?
Are you trying to say vega pulls over 400 watts?

>>61123246
>it's only comparable with the Titan XP, which is the same price.

You fucking AMDiscountfags are hilarious.

When Ryzen launched, you wanted to compare 8 Core Ryzen with 8 core intel because "core to core" is fair. You cried when 8 core ryzen was compared to 7700K which is same price.

Now you want to compare with same price Nvidia card? baka

>>61123264
> TOO low
nah, for those clocks it's fine. It's just too difficult to compete with Pascal, Nvidia did a fucking great job.

AMD won't catch up the 1080ti, but maybe the RX pricing will be worth it.

>>61123264
To be frank it shouldn't matter how many ALUs it has for comparison's sake. You have no idea what the architecture is for each of those units. Or what the communication substrate looks like. Saying that it has X more units than card Y, which is of a completely different architecture from a competitor, and therefore should perform Z better is a useless statement not grounded in anything. As a consumer all that should matter to you is performance per watt and performance per dollar.

And I think its fair to say NVIDIA has AMD beat atleast in this prosumer market.

>>61123356
>it's too difficult to compete with ANOTHER g80
No, anon, no. These numbers are too low for 4096ALU card.

>>61123349
When 6 core came out and was compared to 7700k everyone said, yup about right.

Why would you compare vega to quarto if quarto is 400% more expensive?

Tested 3dmark only on a 550W PSU. AMD are idiots for not giving some to review websites.

>>61123349
>8 core ryzen was compared to 7700K which is same price
kek, any 8-core Ryzen beats the shit out the 7700K at multi-core performance.

The 7700K today is literally a gaming CPU, Ryzen does everything else better.

>>61123394

>pajeets shaking so much they can't quote other people correctly

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Wow.
I feel bad for AMD&its fans.
This is probably the most disastrous, humiliating launch of the last 10 years, if not ever.

>>61123397
Need nuclear reactor to use it.

laughing whore.jpg

>>61123378
>it has 4k ALUs, numbers are too low
>software doesn't.use all 4k ALUs

Amazing how that works

>>61123448
Fury X at ~1100mhz has about the same numbers.

>>61123466
So, you found the bottleneck, now go figure out why.

>>61123026
Isn't that due to shitty drivers? That's a Quadro equivalent.

Also, I wonder if it goes higher than 1600MHz on water-cooling. At 1900MHz it would probably beat the 1080ti

>>61123495

the dude is literally using drivers from january 2017

17.1.1 = 2017-01-01 = 2017 january 1st

7month old driver for a card that was released yesterday

Is there a PSU capable of surviving the combo of the Vega and a 10 Core i9 setup? Or will it melt down anything?

>>61123489
They *supposedly* removed these bottlenecks in Vega.

>>61123545
Look here friend:
>>61123553

:(

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>>61123545
No he's not, it's just showing the wrong "human" id.

>>61123567
Bottleneck is not only hardware side, it can be software side. You probably should go figure it out

>>61123545
I'll just quote that guy.
>Based on current result for frontier edition I think gaming version will be way more robust. Again remember that drivers are day old, VEGA frontier is for PRO market and my test rig is not the best in the world and for sure when VEGA will be tested later on we will see better results.
>drivers are day old

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>>61123559
1500w Platinum rated should be fine

>>61123594
Thank you, Leather Jacket Man.

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>>61123583
>>61123571


Fuck.

Fury meh
Polaris give up high-end
Vega piece of shit

What raja doing

>>61123620
Vega FE Drivers =/= RX Vega drivers

Ever consider that... oh, I dunno...
THEY'RE NOT FUCKING GAMING DRIVERS!?!?

>>61123225
I'm sure they'll be losing sleep from you not buying their product, meanwhile miners are stripping every single shelf they can find their cards on.

I'm with you though, fuck AMD at this point, they've played us all like a mother fucking fiddle.

>>61123659
It uses hybrid drivers. Yes, Vega is THAT bad.

>>61123659
>driver optimizations will suddenly turn 1080 performance in to above titan xp performance

the level of delusion

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>>61123659
But they are anon, as confirmed in the comments.
FE and RX share the same gayming drivers

It's ok!
4 stages of grief and all that

>>61123679
This is Vegas market, visualization, this include real time visualization

Didnt they say these arent for gaming and are for video rendering and other stuff instead?

>>61123571
>>61123620
>The driver from January would not even recognize Frontier. He used the latest driver from AMD website. I checked. And it's called 17.6 or 17.20* not 17.1.1

https://videocardz.com/70541/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-lands-in-the-hands-of-the-first-owner

Vega is DOA

>>61123690
Uh, yeah. Why the fuck do you think workstation cards sell for $1000's more, even though they're often the EXACT same card as their consumer equivalents? Drivers.

How the fuck do you think Nvidia outperformed AMD for awhile, even when AMD had vastly superior hardware on paper? Drivers.

How do you think finewine™ works? You guessed it.

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This explains the Prey demo disaster and all the secrecy.

Biggest fuckup in tech history

>>61123754
>Biggest fuckup in tech history
That's not Thermi.

>>61123747
can't wait for you to get blown the fuck out

>>61123432
yup, hope they fire that pajeet or demoted him

>>61123704
source?

>>61123763
This is worse, themi still best gpu on launch

>>61123349
It's an industrial GPU, it's not advertised as a gaming GPU.

>>61123736
They did, but the NIDF is out in numbers today and conveniently ignoring that fact.

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>poor volta they say
>the titan killer they say

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JUST

>>61123813
>Vega is this close to 1080 pre-gaymen drivers
>not to mention finewine a few months down the road

Nvididiots that aren't complete luddites are probably deebly goncerned right about now lol

>>61123736
Maybe AMD should be comparing them to Quadros instead of Titans then

>550 watt PSU
>Workstation drivers
>Old-ass Firestrike 1.1 benchmark

Anyone who takes these results seriously is a retard.

>>61123690
Worked pretty great for the 7970.

>>61123865
>pre-gaymen drivers

You are so cute

>>61123882
He selected the gaymen drivers

You can see every comment by our brilliant (read: fucking retarded) benchmarking super hero right here. Notice how he has no clue what he's doing and admits the 550 watt PSU isn't enough! https://disqus.com/by/klaudiuszkaczmarzyk/

>>61123911
He selected drivers more optimized for opengl instead of opencl

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>>61123931
Anon it's ok.
Just breath.
In and out, in and out.

WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE COMPLETE RETARDS AND THE UNPREPARED GET THE LEAKS. ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS GUY ONLY HAS A 550 WATT PS AND NOTHING BETTER LYING AROUND. WHY IS HE USING DRIVERS FROM FUCKING JANUARY? FUCK.

>>61123980
Platinum PSU and the drivers are reported by gpuz wrong.

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

Just woke up

Repeat after me:
1070 level performance

>>61123940
But look, both drivers>>61123833

>>61123980
>ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS GUY ONLY HAS A 550 WATT PS AND NOTHING BETTER LYING AROUND
A 2000 W nuclear reactor won't make your vega any faster.

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>>61123865

>le finewine meme

>>61124002
The RX Vega will really have the 1070 performance if they keep the TDP below 250w. Kek

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Vega-Codename-265481/News/AMD-Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-GPU-Takt-1231795/

1382mhz is the typical frequency of the blower cooler, that's a pretty big loss from 1600MHz

>>61124017
This is directx not opengl

>>61123887
smuganimegirl.dll

Sadly both the Ryzen launch and Vega have confirmed what we were fearing all along..
A small company like Amd can only delay the inevitable.
You cannot compete without 100s of BN of R&D in this day and age, it's not the 80s anymore.

Sad.

We're looking at an effective monopoly both on the x86 and gpu market for the next ~20-30 years.

I wonder how antitrust authorities are gonna react?

>>61124051
Tell that to my 290 senpai

>>61124056
The nvidia blower which is better can't even keep their 250W card running at boost all the time, it's no different for Vega.

Blowers are shit

>>61124074
Ryzen showed that you can compete and pretty much make your competition laughing stock

>>61124074
Keep dreaming.

>>61124074
amd CPU is doing well though

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>>61124081

>buy a rx 470
>test with the first driver
>test with the latest driver
>same performance
>"butt muuhhh finewine"

Give me a break!

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Remember FineWine and that this is not the gamer card that will release late July.

Tl;dr Keep calm and continue to wait for vega.

Btw: FC is w/o PLs

>>61123994
>AYYMDPOORFAGS
>$1000 GPU card

>>61124103
Did it though?
The market has spoken.
The i5 7500 is still outselling all r5 lineup combined.
>i5 7500
>i5 7500
>i5 7500

>>61124074
Meanwhile here in the real world, if you buy intel you have to pay twice as much for 10% better performance and 30C higher temperatures.

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>>61124074
>Ryzen
Go way, Ryzen is actually good

>>61124122
>buying a rebrand

>>61124055
the sad thing is I actually wanted to build a complete AMD pc and only post this stuff in hopes it make the pajeets work harder at improving it before launch. But if its going to be a watt hog I will go with 1070 or 60

>>61124129
*that performs better than cards at over 2x it's price, and very competitively with other workstation cards of 4x it's price when used for it's [DESIGNATED] purpose.

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>>61124103
>>61124104
>>61124108
>>61124133

m80s, what counts is marketshare and public reception.

Yes some nerdthusiasts and tech "experts" like Ryzen, but the general public doesn't (with good cause).

>>61124171
Then why is Intel's stock going down while AMD's goes up?

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>>61124171
Why do you retards post this shit just to get BTFO two seconds later?

>>61124130
Source?

>>61124130
Sale now matter...., Rx480 outsold everywhere m8. Vega will be too if the rumor eth speed is right

>>61124130
>>i5 7500
The R5 1600 smokes it by nearly double for the same price.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html#xy_scatter_graph

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>>61124200
not really.
apples to apples only comparisons buddy

>>61124056
>ITS JUST UNDERLCOCKED I SWEAR THERE'S MORE PERFORMANCE

>>61124216
>now cropping out model names
>b-but it doesn't count
SHUT IT DOWN

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>>61124232

>>61124224
Every highend blower card in the last 5 years throttles at stock, even Nvidia ones.
It's a fact that blowers aren't really suited for over 250W

>>61124022
It will if Vega is trying to pull 400 watts and is power throttling

>>61124164
Yeah I know, it's not a gaming card considering it's not advertised as such. And so think it should be compared with other industrial cards, instead of 1080s and such..

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>>61124232
Sorry. Honest mistake!

>>61124122
>I still only get 60 fps in dota 2
>Fine wine is a lie
Pics or it didn't happen. Post the benchmark results

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>>61124279

>>61124241
>the i7 marketshare actually started going down almost as soon as r5s came out
Well, that just tells you everything you need to know, really.

>>61124160
I dont care about the GPU tho. I want a 1070 with a AMD Ryzen CPU but after all the momboard mess I'm no sure now...

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>>61124291

>>61124295
Remember to make sure your z270 has up-to-date microcode to fix the HT bug if you're getting a CPU that has HT.

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>>61124279
I guess we can cherrypick all day long

>>61124294
>>the i7 marketshare actually started going down almost as soon as r5s came out
Only to pick right back up after the initial hype:
>>61124314

>>61124241
>>61124216
>>61124279
>market share
>Intel not gaining since christmas
>AMD gaining when it is not even christmas
Thanks for blowing Intel the fuck out.

>>61124320
Thanks m8

>>61124324
Oh yea "cherrypick"
My comparisons show a 4:1 or 5:1 volume sale across the board versus your 1 with the 2 about equal.

YEA I'm the one "cherrypicking"

>>61124273
Vega might be doing power throttling to keep the temps low. The voltage on 12 V rail won't get low enough for any kind of throttling even if it pulled 400 watts.

>>61124330
Explain >>61124324 then

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Last post.

Sad really.

>>61124350
The guy stuck it in a shit tiny case with terrible airflow, doesn't surprise me.

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>>61124378
OY

https://semiaccurate.com/2017/06/26/amds-epyc-lots-connections/
>So what we have here is a new CPU architecture that is modular, scales high and low, and is an actual SoC in the true sense of the term. The bandwidth between sockets is a multiple of what Intel has to offer, the memory bandwidth is 2x Intel, PCIe is 3x for 1S, >1.5x for 2S, and in general, Epyc is better at everything.
Meanwhile, in real world.

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>>61124378
You know Intel isn't going to go over and give you a handjob for comparing their top selling GAYMAN CPU to Ryzen, right?

AMDrones on suicide watch

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>>61124358
Gamers migrating to either cheaper i5s, g4560 for budget builds or towards the i7 7700k.

Amd results=amdbros upgrading from fx systems. But pretty much done.
As the 1700,1700x,1600x,1500x sales charts show.
Dropping across the board except the 1600 which I guess has filled its niche as cheapo 6core with respectable/mediocre performances.

>>61124281

I sold the card 3 months ago.

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>>61124411
Intel BTFO

>>61124401
That is not how week correlates to date. We are not even close to week 33. Got you're graphes correctly.

fagface

That Raja pajeet should go back to the shitting streets
Another Massive Disappointment

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>gpu thread
>jewtel & amdrone cpu war

>>61124418
Only the ones who are really stupid or didn't do their research are buying i5s.

>>61124411
The prosumer or amateur jackoff market are a very tiny niche...

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>>61124418
>respectable/mediocre performances

>>61123804
revisionists are fucking cancer

>>61124445
>Only the ones who are really stupid or didn't do their research are buying i5s.

Which is 90% of the market? Normal people you mean.

>>61124444
What did you expect? The benchmarks were revealed to have been performed by some random idiot who has no clue what he's doing, so their veracity is highly suspect.

>>61124444
Why the fuck would anyone talk about the abortion (in terms of fucking launch) that is Vega?

>>61124455
It's not being revisionist when AMD is literally telling gamers that this card isn't targeted at them before it's even out.

>>61124465
>running Fire Strike is hard

>>61124455
This was literally stated by AMD, themselves, months ago.

>The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition graphics card is going to empower the pioneers creating the next generation of gaming experiences, but it does beg one question: Can you game on a Radeon Vega Frontier Edition? The answer is yes, absolutely. But because this graphics card is optimized for professional use cases (and priced accordingly), if gaming is your primary reason for buying a GPU, I’d suggest waiting just a little while longer for the lower-priced, gaming-optimized Radeon RX Vega graphics card. You’ll be glad you did.

>>61124465
>I don't like the results
>It's some random idiot fucking things up! Not AMD!

>>61124464
Normal people tend to not do their research, yes. And intel still doesn't have an answer to Epyc.

>>61124418
>sales charts
Do you have a reading impediment?

>respectable/mediocre performances
What more could you ask? It's not like intlel is going to give you anything beyond mediocre.

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>>61124349
Do you actually think that the majority has i7s and r7s? Most of the market is composed of people who buy mid and low end products and those don't bother benchmarking their systems and submitting the results. Do you really believe that the amount of people woth 6600ks is higher than is lower than the amount of the ones with 7700ks?

>>61124438
tell that to the botnet

>>61123264
>These numbers are TOO low
These numbers match what we've seen from AMD's own Doom & SWBF demos as well as the AotS benchmark leak. Fucking every result we've seen points in this direction. It was always real close to an aftermarket/well-cooled 1080 and somewhat faster than a bog-standard FE running complete stock settings.

>>61124525
SE4 demo says otherwise, mr. Huang.

>>61123264
You're right. They are too low.
Wait for RX Vega and the FCUKGIN GAMYMENG DRAVVERS BLARRRRJHKGHHGHDKG

>>61123349
Why are you comparing how CPU's are judged with how GPU's are judged? They aren't one in the same. You've had plenty of time to rub one out to get your hateboner for AMD under control.

Honestly AMD just needs to fire their entire marketing department.

Why would this card even be named "Vega" anything? Why let this confusion happen? Nobody would give a shit at all about any gaming benchmarks from this GPU if they just called the card Radeon Pro WX 9000 or something. Have we ever made fun of Quadro gaming benchmarks? No, because Nvidia isn't as stupid as AMD when it comes to naming their products. It's understood that you aren't supposed to game on Quadros (even though you can, just like you technically can with Vega FE).

>>61124591
Nvidia is even more stupid with their marketing: they made a prosumer card, then killed 'pro' parts of it next generation since it was eating their Quadro sales.

>>61124591
This desu.
AMD's marketing team has always been a shit

>>61124484
So they literally released the flagship with the mantra "please wait more".

I think AMD is just trolling their market now.

>>61124631
This is pro card, rx is gaming cards. How hard is that to understand

AMD is fine even if it's around 1080 performance. It's going the hinge on if the new Vega cards are like GCN with continual improvements. I still have a 7950 and R9 Fury that kick ass and chew bubble gum. Compare the 7950 with any Nvidia card of that year or gen and even newer. Shit is still cash. I'm still surprised they don't have a way to bump performance up a bit if they use Ryzen system with a Vega or GCN card. It would help imo.

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>>61124547
SE4 runs pretty shit on NVIDIA in general, even on Pascal. It's a pretty poor choice to evaluate general performance. Look at those results, a Nano is faster than a 1070, a Fury X is almost as fast as a 1080. DOOM, AotS and SWBF tend to run well on anything, or at least provide results which are somewhat similar to the average once you test tens of games. SE4 being an outlier doesn't mean shit.

>>61124591
Because this is Vega. The *actual* Pro cards are branded "Radeon Pro" and Vega-based Radeon Pro cards will also come out. Those Radeon Pro WX w/e cards which you mention are the real Pro segment, but they're not out yet. This shit is basically just a placeholder to stem the tide of "where's Vega?" from fucking everyone.

>>61123246
1080 die size is like half of the VEFE

>>61124790
1080ti and Vega diesize is about the same.
Hint: gp104 is not half the size of gp102

question, did anyone post disassembly shots of the card yet?
I want to know why it has a 29cm long PCB. There's zero reason for that. Even with stupidly over engineered VRMs, they don't need that much space due to HBM2.

>>61124822
1080ti has 50% more score than shitty VEFE. And VEFE has same score as 1/2 size 1080

>>61124862
There's only one guy who has his hands on it right now and I doubt he's going to take it apart.

>>61124873
>1080ti has 50% more score than shitty VEFE
Lolno, just kill yourself retard.

>>61124471
>>61124484
misread the original post as CPU. fugggggg

>gaymer kiddies thinking about gaming on a non-gaming card
?

>>61124898
my 1080ti scores 33k in firestrike, VEFE scores 21.5k. Looks like 50% more score. You are the retard.

>>61124966
Well, I guess OP's image is full of lies, then, and shouldn't be taken to be representative of Vega's performance, either.

>>61124935
>AMD ships card with specific 'gaming' mode
>WTFFFFFFFF dun run games on it its supposed to be shit!!!!!!!!

>>61124989
>the butthurt is real
Kek, go wait for Navi, it will surely not be piece of shit

>>61125036
>29=33
Just kill yourself retard.

>non-gaming card has a half-measure for doing something that isn't its primary purpose
>hurr I'm a fucking retard better get it for gayming
huh you must be the kind of idiot their trying to market it to

>>61123026
>Workstation card
>Drivers specifically for workstation work
>Somehow surprising that it "only" performs on par with a $600 card set up specifically to play games with game specific drivers

Then again what should you expect from n/v/idiots and other spillover from /v/?

>>61123138
>$300-$400
>For something on par with a $600 GPU

Sure, me too.

>>61125137
I don't know, but it's hilarious seeing all the haters tour their 'victory'.

>>61123138
If RX Vega is priced at $300 I'll preorder 2 of them

>>61125338
>$300 for ~500mm^2 die
Haha.

>>61123026
Worse than a 1080 at twice the power draw? Ahahaha. It's worse than I had even hoped for.

They're going to fire that Pajeet. They have to now. This is a disaster.

As far as I can tell it's 20% slower than 1080 ti (from this guy's tests). Put in a proper setup with better cooling and no throttling I'm willing to bet it could get up to within 10% just on the FE air cooled model. RX Vega could bridge that gap easily.

>>61125137
>wait for drivers

No I'm done waiting. Have drivers for your card or don't release it.

>>61125372
Looks like Primitive Shaders are not working. It still handles 4triangles/clock.

ITT /v/

By that I mean /g/ being pants on head retarded (as usually) when it comes to gpus.

>>61123074
No shit you should have.

>>61125380
You're not going to buy any Vega card anyway you nigger.

>>61123678
>>>61123225

>I'm with you though, fuck AMD at this point, they've played us all like a mother fucking fiddle.

"Here is our workstation card, it's not for gaming and the drivers are old buy go ahead and test them"

Yes, literally bamboozled everyone.

Wow, the comments on videocardz. I mean I shouldn't be surprised. But still this level of delusion is shocking. They must have stockholm syndrome or something.

>>61125380
They released drivers for a workstation card... Because it's a workstation card.

>>61125438
>>61125422
They have both drivers Jesus Christ...

FUCKING PRIMITIVE SHADERS ARE NOT WORKING NIGGERS IT STILL HANDLES 4triangles/clock.

>>61125427
It's more like /g/ has a hard-on for shitting on AMD for any bullshit reason at all.

ITT: a GPU isn't designed to be good at processing graphics

>>61125457
Is no performance and really high cost a bullshit reason now?

>>61125380
Are you being dumb on purpose or are you an actual retard?

Go ahead, buy a $1000 workstation card, I'll wait.

>>61125457
/g/ is shitting on AMD for delivering 1080 tier performance a year too late.

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Hello fellow AMDbros, how you holding up?
Not gonna lie, after the soemwhat not disastrous Ryzen launch I really deluded myself into thinking AMD might make it...
Not this happens.
It's like a cold shower.

I'm sorry but I'm not gonna spend the next 4 years shilling for a company this hopeless...

GreenBlue team for me from now on :(

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>>61125137
>>61125232
You can play vgaymes with worksation cards.

>>61125453
>4triangles/clock.
so basically it works as a beefed up polaris. goddammit AMD.

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>>61125460
>>61125478

>>61124649
>after rescheduling for months and months, we finally release Vega! Thanks for waiting!
>note that this is a PRO card! If you want a gamer card you need to wait more!

.

FUCKING PRIMITIVE SHADERS ARE NOT WORKING NIGGERS IT STILL HANDLES 4triangles/clock.
FUCKING NIGGERS STOP SHITPOSTING AND LISTEN.
>>61125460
GPGPU is a thing, anon.

>>61125487
It means drivers are not ready. Like, not even close-tier ready.

>>61125478
>no performance
It competes with cards 4 times it's price, doing what it was actually meant to do (oh, gee, what a novel concept!) So, by my calculations, you're an actual retard.

>>61125453
iirc the primitive shader is meant to check visibility, so the card doesn't need to draw triangles it doesn't have to, making more efficient use of that 4 triangles per clock.

>>61125482
Vega is only 2 months late according to AMD's internal schedule. Yeah, they missed the best market window to release it in, but their resources are already stretched too thin as it is.

>>61125490
Because the gaming card is very similar. It's not like they're pulling an architecture out of their ass for gaming cards only.

>>61125483
t. Nvidia/ Intel shill for the past 4 years

>>61125525
No, that's discard accelerator from Polaris. Primitive Shaders allow some 11triangles/clock on 4 shader engines.

>amd releases gaming version of Vega card end of July
>Literally shits on the 1080ti and Titan xp at a $499 price point
>Nvidiafags will continue to wet the bed every night in fear that the AMD master race is winning
>Nvidiafags will still buy the Nvidia cards because nvidia though

Nvidia could sell a rectangular brick in a box labeled gtx 1180ti and Nvidiafags will still buy two for SLI. That's how fucking brainwashed this shitstains are.

Please fucking realize that competition is GOOD for consumers and that your precious Nvidia cards will be cheaper if AMD releases a good product. Besides the fact that this is a WORKSTATION card that is running gaming drivers not optimized whatsoever.

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Wtf, this is not a gaming card.

>>61125523
This is like when the Ryzen 7 series came out and nobody semeed to give a shit it matched the i7-6900K for half the price, instead preferring to compare it to the i7-7700K. Fucking retard gamers ruin everything as usual.

>>61124649

They can call it all they want. It ain't a true Pro card since it doesn't come with application certified drivers. Also no ECC as far as I'm aware of, unlike Quadro cards. The FE is effectively their Titan competitor, and it looks like it isn't even close to competing, even if you take throttling into account.

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>>61125549
^^^^^^^GET REKT GREENS <------ lmao that was a dank meme i r89 r9001 390/3.5gb of v for vendetta ram, novidiots be like do a 1080 and walk awayy lmao, 144 wayy sly novideo grillforce gtx 480 clocked at 3.5hz 1080p 3.5 fps gimpworks edition, human eye can see only 3/5 ram anyways, nivea water boiler titanal FE(fanboy edition) at 3.5p, envidia fryforce shitan rascal 1080shiTi at 87.5% GTX(GetTheXtinguisher) (ngreedia pisscal thermi "malware experience" burning sillayy bridges edition with GreedSync support) + krappy fake $hilltel gore i$emen at 7700K (Kelvin) maybelake i911 delidlake cancer core jewtel 2066 killowatt "cooler not included in a box" coffin lake "end of life" edition at 0.90 GHz (a.k.a. Inferno Bridge) inteLELite "another late edition" <------ i0 r8 dat meme 2400/3200 of dance dance revolution ram. 8GiB? What do you need 4GiB for? I'm giving you 3.5GiB! mumble mumble 3.5!?!?!? mumble mumble mumble 390?!?!?!

>>61123074
>posting that bait again

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>>61123026
>typical frequency is 1382MHz
>meaning it probably runs even slower
>tested on a 550W PSU
>tested in a, what looks like, mini itx
>probably throttling even more cause it's a shit cooler and barely gets any airflow
too bad the guy didn't provide the actual clocks it ran on, only said that it was lower than 1600MHz
still weird how an overclocked fury x performs better than this
this is why AMD should have given this card out for reviews
anyway assuming that a decent cooler would improve performance by ~15-20% and ~5% improvements from gaming drivers, it might catch up to 1080ti

>>61125453
>FUCKING PRIMITIVE SHADERS ARE NOT WORKING NIGGERS IT STILL HANDLES 4triangles/clock.
they literally lied then
in the vega presentation they claimed it can process 11 triangles/clock or something like that

>>61125613
They are not working because fucking driver shim is not implemented.

>>61124444

Sauce!

>>61125613
>it might catch up to 1080ti
Yeah sure. Just put on an RX gayming sticker and it'll beat 1080ti by 20%! Add finewine to that and it'll beat 1080ti by 50%!

To all AMD fanboys here, from an AMD shareholder: Get real.

1. This card looks like it has BOTH pro and gaming drivers which can be selected.
2. Benches were done in gaming mode, albeit sub optimal setup (550W PSU/mITX case)
3. Pro drivers have less performance than Quadros.
4. Worse than Titan (its supposed competitor) in gaming.

This leaves me with some conclusions:

1. Firepro Vega is not going to be great if "Vega FE" has fleshed out Pro drives. Quadros dump on Vega FE.
2. RX Vega has to make up 10-30% performance through drivers a lone if they want performance crown, and they have 4-5 weeks to do it.

All fine. What bother me the most, is this inconsistent messaging and marketing coming from RTG management. Fire that stinking Pajeet and the entire marketing department, and get better people working on this stuff.

>>61125622
geometry output is processed in the shader engines, I don't think they're programmable, so the driver has nothing to do with it

>>61125569
>GTX(GetTheXtinguisher)
kek'd
nice meme memelord

All the AYYMD cucks crying about MUH WORKSTATION consider this; A card that fucking expensive has NO excuse to not be good at gaming.

>b-but MUH DRIVERS
NO excuse, kys ayymdfags

>>61125699
That's the only answer since removing the only valuable feature from Vega is beyond retarded.

>>61125671
>Pro drivers have less performance than Quadros.
It costs $1k, and shits on any Quadro below $2k and competes with them at $4k

>>61125708
>expensive
For a non-gaming card, it's pretty damn cheap, actually.

>>61125715
>arguing with cynical shareholder
Just buy already

>>61123026
so its confirmed by now
1)this range of cards wont have any sort of gaming driver what so ever
2)apparently its pro or enterprise mode
3) there is a gaming mode to test the games on vega cards
4)they are a hybrid between the wx and gaming cards still not sure what the fuck they are suppose to be a developer card maybe?

>>61125732
nigger I'm a shareholder, too. I kind of hope this dumbassery continues, so the price drops, and I can buy more, before the next pump. You're not special, just because you downloaded Robinhood senpai.

>>61125671
>1. Firepro Vega is not going to be great if "Vega FE" has fleshed out Pro drives. Quadros dump on Vega FE.
as some guy in VC comments pointed out, polaris WX7100 scores almost as much as vega in specviewperf
for example solidworks:
WX7100: 111.55
Vega FE: 114.88
that just seems completely wrong since vega has a lot more cores and a lot higher clock speed.

>>61125778
>that just seems completely wrong since vega has a lot more cores and a lot higher clock speed.
It just shows how big of a technical fuckup Vega is.
Probably a huyge bottleneck somewhere.
Unfixable at this point.

>>61125806
>Source: My Ass

>>61125806
Geometry throughtput, since Primitve Shaders are not working.

>>61125830
Yea that seems to be the most likely explanation

>>61125859
I mean WHY did they release Vega with the main feature NOT WORKING AT ALL?

>>61125859
No lol, there's no certification for application profiles, fucking obviously because cards just came out, in fact I bet FE won't even get certified profiles.
Non WS Polaris like 40% slower than WS

>>61125830
>>61125859
>>61125880
samefagging so hard

>>61125830
>>61125859
not really
check this shit out
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6k0yfw/vega_and_polaris_triangle_rates_the_same_4/
their geometry engine is literally the same as polaris

>Vega is designed to handle up to 11 polygons per clock with 4 geometry engines.
that's still 4 geometry engines, nothing has changed
same numbers as polaris:
http://static.digit.in/default/08d8b25b5f9e3559889499c77ab21721f701ef5e.jpeg
I am so disappointed by this

>>61125880
Have you ever worked on a project anon?
Fuckups happen, and you can only delay for so much.

At some point it boils down to::
>release shit
>scrap the whoel project

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>>61125896
o rly

>>61125900
Yes, but FOR SOME REASON it handles 4 triangles instead of intended 11.

>>61125453
>FUCKING PRIMITIVE SHADERS ARE NOT WORKING NIGGERS IT STILL HANDLES 4triangles/clock.
>>61125943
>it handles 4 triangles instead of intended 11
do you have a source for this?

>>61125963
ofc he has a source he already bought a FE and already did so many calculations passthroughs that he concluded that the IO was 4 triangles

in reality he probably is samefagging like half of this thread is

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>Bear in mind the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition is not a gaming card though you can game on it. The drivers are not optimize for gaming and the card architecture blablablabla

Quadro cards also not developed with the focus on games, although you can run games on these cards. They also have differentiated drivers which are optimized for specific software.

But: http://i.imgur.com/D5xWNne.png

One hour is the fault of the power source, another time is the driver, another time is the fault of the VGA that is not part of the mainstream segment... Seriously?

Just wait for Navi™!

How BTFO will Nvidiots be when RX Vega is released and becomes the defacto price performer overnight, pretty much like every other thing AMD has released within the past year?

>>61126131
It still has fucking 4triangles/clock. It's a big fucking Polaris.

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>>61126142
>It's a big fucking Polaris
But worse, with much higher power draw

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You know, If the gayming vega has a higher performance to the 1070 for a similar price, that's a pretty damn good deal for me.
Not to mention AyyMD cards generally take overclocking better, which makes it a good investment.
I'm cautiously optimistic about it, but it'll all depend on pricing and availability of the RX Vega.
Waiting for the vega to launch while putting off upgrading my integrated graphics core2duo Pc seems like a reasonable strategy for money conservation.

>>61126184
It's a fucking ~480mm^2 die, no way it's cheaper than $600 you retard.
>>61126171
Literally thermi-tier launch.

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>>61126131
unless there are major driver issues and it was throttling down to something like under 1200MHz in those tests, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I think at best it could catch up to 1080ti with a water cooled card
Not sure what the final outcome will be, but one thing is certain: this is a disastrous launch

this thread is literally a hatecrime
shut it down

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>>61126131
RX Vega will probably perform better than what this guy's provided, but at its absolute best that it'll ever likely hit is just a few percent over the 1080ti. It'll probably end up being in between the 1080 and 1080ti on release, and it might inch its way to 1080ti territory with driver releases, but that's about it.
I expected this from the start. There was no way an AMD card could be a rival to Nvidia's next generation flagship.

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>>61124631
>>61124455
Are you okay?
Do you have brain damage?

>>61126192
I said Similar, not necessarily cheaper.
If it packs more of a punch but for a modestly higher price, that's a something worth considering.
Besides, a glance at 1070 prices puts them at generally 550$. Some are cheaper, some are stupidly more expensive, but it hovers around that.
If there's a model around 600$-650$ then it would be worth considering a vega, but of course it would depend on the final performance.

>>61126301
Vega10 is as big as gp102. Either it outperforms 1080ti or it's trash.

>>61126324
I'm not of that mindset. The price/performance aspect of a videocard is also something to take into consideration. If it's more expensive than 1080Ti but outperforms it by just a little, then buying one would not be justifiable for me.
But I would be ok with it if it was a bit weaker than a 1080Ti, but offered a better price/performance ratio. Because it would be a reasonable buy.
Considering that AMD stuff is generally cheaper but also a bit weaker at launch, I'm cautiously optimistic about the price.

>>61125157
year late and uses more power ))))))))))))))

>>61124649
BUT THEN HOW DOES A QUADRO(not a gaming card) BEAT GAMING CARDS??!?!?!?!??!

>>61123228
The Titan X is a pro-sumer/enthusiast card you stupid fuck. The 1080 Ti is a high-end card, 1080 a mid range card, and the 1070 a low-end card.

>>61126616
>1080 a mid range card
>1070 a low-end card
what are you smoking?

>>61126554
Quadro P6000 costs $7000 you brainless retard.

>>61126616
>The 1080 Ti is a high-end card, 1080 a mid range card, and the 1070 a low-end card.
What the fuck are you talking about, 1080ti is a flagship card, 1080 and 1070 are both high-end cards. Low-end is 1050 and below.

>>61126655
but its a workstation card!?

>>61126737
Going by steam, more people have 1080s than people have RX480/580s

>>61126764
>$1000 card vs $7000 card
Literal retard.

>>61126781
That does not make it a mid-range card. High end/midrange/low end depend on where the cards fall in the product stack, not popularity.

>>61126764
it also has mature drivers. Don't you think they'd release RX Vega ASAP, if it were ready?

>>61126786
slow dog shit vega 1000$ card vs a faster 500$ card

Literal retard

>>61126830
Workstation card outperforming $4,000 Quadro cards for $1200

Literal retard.

>>61126798
Not the Steam guy.

That's exactly what I'm basing it off.

Enthusiast tier: TITAN X
High-end: 1080 Ti
Mid-range: 1080
Low-end: 1070
Poorfag tier: 1060 and lower
That's the way things are. If you don't like it, then maybe you should tell AMD to do something about it... its response will be "Just Wait™."

>>61127024
>That's the way things are
no, you are just retarded.

>>61127024
>That's exactly what I'm basing it off.
That's because you're an idiot.

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>Uses 550w PSU
>Wonders why it throttles down to 1200mhz or less

Guys there is NO way its slower than an OCed fury X which would be the case according to these benchmarks

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>vega is a failure and amd will finally die

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>>61127186
Hello Brian. No, Skylake-EP is still horse penis-tier.

>>61127206
At least it's not Vega aka horse shit-tier!

>>61127186
>Nvidia proceeds to double the price of every card they produce
>Paying $1300 for a 1080ti revision with 10% better performance than the original 2-3 years from now
>Huuurrrrrrrr I'm so glad their only competition is dead

Also

>Frogposter

>>>/v/

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>>61127137

>believing that who is throttling the card is the power source
>not the shit temperature off 300W on a blower cooler

Damage control, folks!

>>61127024
>>61127085

1080 is a mid range card, didn't mean to burst your bubble still buying the launch hype

and the flagship is the titan xp full chip not 1080 ti, which can overclock to the same level as the ti as usual

>>61127260
I'd love to see NVidia's monopoly on gaymen GPU market.

>>61127261
>mITX case/board
Sure is sufficient airflow in here.
>>61127269
>1080 is a mid range card
Full retard.

>>61127269
>1080 is a mid range card
you are still retarded.

I guess it's a race now till someone finds a way to throw fuckton of silicon for cheap.

>>61127269
Mid range LITERALLY means "middle of the range". 1080 is nowhere near middle of the range, since there are lots of cards below it and only one above it. Now go kill yourself retard.

>>61127272
>I'd love to see this company with a history of anti-consumer practices have a monopoly

Are you a masochist?

>>61127352
Gaymurs deserve it.

>>61127361
>why don't you buy my gpus that are notoriously plagued by software and hardware issues
t. amd

>>61127269
>1080 is a mid range card

Holy fuck I own a 1080ti and i even think this is retarded. Mid range cards are rx580, 1060. 1070,1080,1080ti are high end. Titan is flagship.

>>61127387
>Titan is flagship
isn't 1080Ti basically just Titan with less vRAM?

>>61127384
Delicious FUDge.

>>61127384
>Plagued by software and hardware issues
>Drivers for the past 4 years have provided better performance to current and legacy hardware
>Cards overclock better

Meanwhile at Nvidia
>Gimping 680 and 780/780ti with new max TESSULATIONZ drivers

>>61127384
>Thermi outsold Evergreen
kys cuck.

>>61127406
I think the titan has 500 more cuda cores or something. That being said my point still stands.

>>61127387

1080/1070 are high-end GP104 sure

>>61127406

yes, these are just fallouts from the enterprise teslas which followed the same cuda so the quadro and full titan x with 3840 cuda have a higher count than the enterprise ones sold

there are two chips ffs GP102 and GP104, Ti series were always based on the bigger chip just look at the die size they're completely different

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>inb4 the card shown was run without primitive shaders enabled

>>61127490
How do you enable/disable that? How do you tell if it's enabled/disabled?

>>61127516
geometry pipeline should be running 11 triangles per clock but its only shown to run 4 currently

I am assuming this part of the drivers is not finished or not used on the FE card.

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>>61124444
Checked

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>>61127024
What?
Enthusiast tier: TITAN X, 1080 ti, Vega RX
High-end: 1080, 1070
Mid-range: RX 580/480 1060 6gb 1060 3gb RX 570/470 1050 ti
Low-end: 1050, RX 560/460
Poorfag: RX 550, GT1030, AMD APU ,intel IGP

How could you think a 1070 is a low end GPU and a 1060 is a poorfag gpu?

>>61127916
>How could you think a 1070 is a low end GPU and a 1060 is a poorfag gpu?
because he is a retard.

>>61123074
>>61123145
These are top tier baits. so many were fooled.

>>61123137
It's the fault of AMD marketing for not properly explaining what the card is.
Its' like a cross between the GTX 1080, Titan XP and Quadro P5000, all in one. It's better than all those cards at their worst, but usually not as good as the best of them at their best.
It's a card for professionals who can't afford or don't want to have a dedicated gaming machine, workstation, and render farm.

Honestly, i still feel it's worth waiting for the RX just so we can get some real benches.

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>999 for something worse than a 1080ti

>>61128416
>$1999 for something worse than a 1080Ti

The same dude who did the timespy did spec numbers, it's competitive to a P4000 without any certified drivers, so I guess it has its uses.

>>61128731
He's still posting shit. I think he's taking a break now. https://disqus.com/by/klaudiuszkaczmarzyk/

I'm still taking everything he's posting with a grain or twenty of salt.

@61128416 (You)

>>61128731
What does a P4000 cost?

>>61128758
>https://disqus.com/by/klaudiuszkaczmarzyk/
is the retard still using a 550w psu

I predicted this would happen. I said everyone would shill how bad FE would be. We knew it would be bad ages ago. Yet here we are and here come the idiots posting their shit like clockwork. AMD need to sort their fucking marketing out and fire that idiot who posts on Twitter. But idiots posting stupid crap based on a prosumer GPU are just stupid fucks looking to troll other idtios who take easy bait.

>>61128798
I would assume he's still using the same garbage setup, mITX board with a cramped case and 550w PSU included. Clockspeed is probably still all over the place. Results are probably just as varied. Take all results with a grain of salt.

>>61123833
All you really have to do is look at the massive variation and inconsistency between different results to know something is up here. The card is throttling and clockspeeds are all over the place due to his crap setup.

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A friendly reminder of the scores the GTX 1080 was getting when it first came out.

>>61128898
what compels someone with such a shitty setup to even buy a 1k USD not gaymen card?

Hope he mangles it so he can't return it as he plans to

>>61128975
Pretty sure that's due to changes in the benchmark itself more than anything else.

>>61128990
He's now officially "Internets famous" so I doubt he can return it to Newegg without paying their restocking fee.

Well it looks like Vega is just BIG Polaris.
If they can keep the price down, it will probably be ok.
I never assume Nvidia will be DE-throned when it comes to GPUs.

>>61129007
If he had any brains he'd strike a deal with a clickbait site like wccftech to get first dibs on the performance, click revenue must be insane

>>61128994
Precisely. I've been Googling and the Firestrike scores are all over the place. This dudes 'benchmarking' is about reliable as a potato.

First of all he should have tested Pro drivers first to see if there's any score difference, if there isn't, obviously the game drivers aren't optimized.

>>61129043
Well he probably expected other people to have it at the same time.
He just bought it normally didn't get a preview or anything no?
Why is he the only fag posting benchs?

>>61129080
As I said. This dude is an idiot with a shit system. How on earth he got his hands on this GPU is anyone's guess. It's pathetic that people are placing any trust in one pleb with a potato PC's results.

>>61129111
He bought it and it arrived early. Not exactly a huge mystery.

>>61129110
Because normally people buying workstation cards aren't playing games on them.

>>61129110
He got it early, most are shipping on 29th

>>61129119
He sounds fucking clueless, I doubt he has any use for the features of the FE, more money than sense?
AMD has been stressing for the last month constantly that this is a WORKSTATION card, people are fucking retarded.

Keep an eye on this channel. He's gonna do some gaming benchmarks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-_ZJI10VxA

>PLEASE NOTE I did not perform any PRO tests. Actually I did not expect that these results will so widely discussed.

It's the most anticipated GPU release in years and he didn't think this would be all over the fucking internet in minutes? Jesus buttfucking christ.

>>61129297
>some dumb normalfag is clueless and steering the hardware community: the day

Just kill me.

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>>61129333
He got pretty good results on SPECPerfView12_1_1 anyway.

>>61126184
as a fury owner, OC'ing is a nightmare. Negative correlations with voltage after like 24mv.

Otherwise, yes, AMD cards generally OC well. Except for the 580.

>>61129391
Close to P5000 on release day drivers? Not fucking bad at all, this can clearly pass as a workstation card.

P5000 is like.. $1600 or more IIRC, I guess AMD fulfilled their goal, plus it has actual fp16.

Too bad nobody will care to look at this while mouthbreathing gaymers will bitch about you know what

>>61129391
Does CPU affect these scores?

>>61129488
just took a quick look at some tests between different sites
some have as much as 15% difference in performance between cards
I think it's safe to say that the CPU does affect this

>>61129537
Well, if it scores that fine with a midrange CPU the guy was using then no worries I guess.

>>61129464
Price for P5000 is closer to $2000. AMD does it again, releases a competing product for half the price with roughly the same performance .. go team red?

>>61129391
Was this ran with pro drivers? It would be fucking crazy if this was on gaming drivers.

I thought he said he only tested with game ones?

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>>61129605
I don't know what drivers. Check his disqus. This is the other image he posted.

>>61129605
Ugh, god I hate getting my info from normalfags, in this case one with a lucky fast shipment.

He does fuck all to explain anything, what drivers he's using for each test. what clockspeeds are like, what temps or power draw are, not even fucking fan speed.
Literally no context, I'm better off estimating numbers in my fucking head

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