>windows XP

>windows

>>61098177
>using ancient EOL retired OS that hasn't been supported in half a decade
>on war vessels that cost millions of dollars
>single missiles that hundreds or thousands per shot
>won't update computer system to something this decade

y tho

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>good enough for royal navy carriers
>you need 64-bit windows 7/8/10 for video juegos

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>>61098177
>aircraft carrier with a ramp

>>61098177
>XP

A FUCKING RAMP AHAHAHAHAHA

What were the Brits thinking

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>>61098177
>XP
>2017

>>61098177
Seriously tho, why did they have to build a computer into a ship? Why not make it a replaceable part like an oil filter or a bearing? I think this is laziness on the builder's part.

>>61098177
>tfw you thought the militaries use some high end secure custom military Linux with AI that checks for attacks

>they are less secure than my smartphone

>>61098219
Same reason a lot of banks use old software. Everything works and people who use it know how to use it. To get everything updated to a new version they'd have to make sure it is 100% compatible and stable with their hardware + train the staff to use it. It would cost millions of dollars.

>>61098277
they also use dos

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>>61098177
What a load of clickbait

>OMG is dat windoze EX PEE?
>BOTNET BOTNET
>U GONNA GET HAKKURED

It's like a wangblows bait thread on here

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>>61098219
>Windows 10
>Carrier shuts down for updates in the middle of combat

>Linux
>X11 crashes and so do your jets

>airgapped

So what?

>>61098280
Why can't they just make a custom distro that behaves exactly the way the old one does? Every single one of these small handful of ships are custom built already.

>>61098275
>Seriously tho, why did they have to build a computer into a ship?

And do what, strap a guy with a calculator onto the missiles to fly them into targets? It's not 1812 you idiot.

>>61098248
the F35 is an extremely complicated piece of technology way ahead of it's time.

>>61098383
Just wait till some fuckass, tries to watch porn on the computer.

>>61098383
Airgapped in theory. But the military loves "connected battlespaces" and other memes like that. Information streaming between jets, drones, escorts, carriers, and missiles in flight. If there's a vulnerability in that communication protocol, and someone is able to exploit it, it isn't airgapped anymore.

>>61098381
So funny...

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>>61098219
>Millions of dollars
>Try $4,452,280,000
>le smug anglo face

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>>61098177
meanwhile the kuznetsov is so old that it probably runs on some soviet assembly clone

>>61098392
>Literally just a supersonic harrier with mission creep
>Not every version even needs the finicky Harrier style engine
>Way ahead of it's time

The F-35 languished in development hell for twenty years and it shows.

>>61098386
>behaves exactly the way the old one does

easier said than done, there's bound to be some sort of edge case that gets overlooked

>>61098177
The wannacry attack wasn't targeting XP specifically. In fact most of the screenshots posted were Windows 7 machines.

The whole "XP is insecure xD" thing is a meme. Besides, the government pay Microsoft for continued support for XP.

>>61098474
Windows 7 was protected if your security was up to date, Windows XP didn't get a patch until after the first wave of attacks

>turns out the guardian article is total shit

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/windows_for_warships_not_on_queen_elizabeth_class_aircraft_carriers/

>“The MoD can confirm that Windows XP will not be used by any onboard system when the ship becomes operational,” the spokesman added. “This also applies to HMS Prince of Wales.”

>>61098496
>Windows 7 was protected if your security was up to date
Which it usually isn't, and wasn't for the attack to take place, especially since Windows Update works about as well as an ashtray on a motorcycle at the moment.

>>61098219
You can pay for windows xp support. I'm sure they did.

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>>61098177
>a fucking ramp

>>61098520
>Which it usually isn't

Forced updates are the best thing that ever happened to computing.

>>61098387
How about walking onto the ship with a Windows 10 computer, plugging it in then installing MissileCalculate 13.6 from the CD. "Built in" is the problem, not the computer.

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>ramps

Ramps are for gramps.

>>61098436
It's back in the air already.

>>61098436
literally not

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>Windows
>XP

>>61098350
I don't think they still do, I know the US Navy was still using it a few years ago but was trying really hard to get rid of it. Although, it's probably safer to use DOS than XP at this point because very few people are actually making malware that targets DOS these days.

>>61098436
By "ahead of its time" they mean we don't have the technology base to actually make it work well. We'll probably have moon colonies before supersonic VTOL becomes viable.

>>61098756
>We'll probably have moon colonies before supersonic VTOL becomes viable.

For a poster on a technology board you sure are behind the times, grampa

>>61098864
No, I just don't fall for the hype.

>tfw xp didnt/doesnt get infected by wannacry network passingby packets cause the payload would crash/bsod
enjoy your botnet10 summerfags

XP was the last good looking windows.
then aero came and ruined it all and then metro came and made aero look better by comparison.

>>61098177
>wangblows
not even once

>>61098177
Can't say I'm surprised when they need to use a ramp

That's what they get for running a BSD or Linux distro/servers instead lmfao

>>61098177
its worst problem is that
RAMP
A
M
P

super carrier? super sinker!

>>61098423
it runs on a russian version of DOS

>>61098381
>Cuck OSX
>Navigation system fails and you have to send the entire ship back to be replaced

>>61099874
>>61098381


>Nigger OS
>Your files go missing

Am I doing it right XD?

>>61098277
the US military buys a shitton of IBM POWER processors, so at least for some stuff they aren't using windows

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>>61099910
Yep, good job.

>>61098280
That's the excuse generated by the tech incompetents who run the military IT infrastructure.
>. It would cost millions of dollars.
Proof you're completely out of your element here. That's nothing to the military and even if they were unusually successful it would be billions.

I was in the military around the time XP was new and I had a totally knuckle dragger job and could see clear evidence of IT stupidity.
Really laughable stuff. Overheard "Yeah for whatever reason the LAN starts slowing down so every night we reboot the switches and it's ok" Lololol it's like a interview question or a cert question but yet they didn't know what was happening. We didn't just have enlisted IT staff of course there were contractors coming through all the time. I don't know if they ever managed to fix it or what. There was other stuff too but that was my wakeup call that most of the military would be cable installers on the outside.

Even the word "cyber" was universally hated by computer pros and security types outside of sci-fi but we're stuck with it because frauds coming out of law enforcement and military managed to get so much undue attention despite being total outsiders to their assumed professions with nearly no exposure to it's culture.

Oh yeah the military has been using UNIVAC computers still after decades.. these are collector's items whose logic could easily be simulated but according the the frauds in the military it's better to run those systems on machines with actual part shortages

>>61098381
>>Linux
>>X11 crashes and so do your jets
Nah there are plenty of framebuffer servers that are just fine

>>61098177
>>windows XP
It was probably SP2 when the plans for HMSQE2 were drawn up.

>>61098177
>HURR! LET'S SHIT ON XP BY POSTING NEWS ABOUT A RANSOMWARE THAT HAPPENED OVER A MONTH AGO THAT MOSTLY TARGETED WINDOWS 7 EVEN THOUGH A PATCH HAS BEEN RELEASED FOR IT!

>>61098219
Mainly hardware and specific software used.
For example, i worked in a CNC shop, we had 3 year old machines that cost about 1.2 million dollars a piece, they all ran windows XP because the BTB software was only compatible with XP and thats what everyone used and was trained on.
Its dumb as shit, but thats just how it was.
My neighbor works at a gas station that still uses Windows 95 for everything because the pumps only work with 95, there are even new chip reading card readers made in the last year that are designed to be compatible with windows 9x systems

>>61098219
>won't update computer system to something this decade

A navy computer needs to not only be literally bulletproof, but also fireproof.
They will translate smoke signals into machine code run on 600 tons of iron mainframes if it means the computer will run 30 seconds longer while the machine room is undergoing unscheduled renovations courtesy of enemy shells.

>>61098280

>Everything works
Nothing works, nothing will ever work, and if you want to have a secure system, you should use the latest stable version of all software you are using. This means either Windows 10 with the latest updates, or the latest Ubuntu or Red Hat with the latest updates. If your software breaks because you updated the OS and libraries, you need to fix your software so that it is not so sensitive to changes.

>>61100875

It is not acceptable to use an operating system released in 2001, when it is currently 2017. In fact, it stopped being acceptable to use XP in 2006. You have had 11 years to update to better software and chose not to.

>>61100930
>Windows 10
Why would they upgrade to an OS that installs updates and restarts without warning?

>>61100954
>2006 instead of 2009
Not everyone wanted to use Vista.

>>61100959

You know there are ways to disable those, right?

>>61101000

And nonetheless, it has been 8 years since 2009. Even if we are to give the excuse that someone did not want to use Vista, they should have at least upgraded to 7 when it came out.

>>61100930
>latest stable version
>Windows 10
>stable
KEK
When businesses have more compliments for Ubuntu on stability and not making problems than Windows 10, then that shows how fucked you are.

>durrr we should Install Windows 10 on military hardware
>missile launch supposed to start
>WINDOWS UPDATE IN PROGRESS
>"something happened"
>*blue screen*

>>61101168

Considering that Ubuntu is designed for stability and ease of use, this is pretty par for the course.

>>61100897
And besides that, in the military it's generally considered better to have something old with known problems that you know how to deal with rather than something new which will probably throw a previously unknown problem at you at an inopportune time. Better it fails in a way you know how to deal with rather than having to work out the problem from scratch while you're under fire.

Sure, "modern" and "more features" do come into the equation, but a feature needs to be really fucking compelling and practical for whatever the machine's intended use is to be worth making the leap. Most of the OS features we talk about as reasons to upgrade just aren't going to be relevant if all the machine in question needs to do is run this program to control these missile launchers over this interface.

>>61100954
you way, way, way underestimate the extent to which normies (in all areas - business, military...) hate change. They want to buy something and then have it work forever, with zero need to ever mess with it ever again unless you need different functionality. They haven't yet (and may well never) internalize the fact that that's simply not acceptable for software that connects in any way shape or form to the internet.

>>61100954
How are you forgetting about the embedded versions of XP? There are two versions that have support until 2019.

>>61101270
For a lot of things - CNC machinery, for example - they shouldn't be connected to the internet in any way, shape or form.

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>>61098177
Most of the united states nuclear powered submarines as well as most of our aircraft carriers run Windows XP.

Source: Bunch of friends in navy make fun of it all the time.

>>61100057
why would a lan slow down at night? backing up?

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>>61100959
>>61100954
>>61101000
Pro Tip:
The govt doesnt use standard XP.

They use a special release version of it tightened up my both microsoft, NIST, and DoD with long term support in mind.

It doesnt matter if they call it windows 3.1, its not the same XP as what everyone else used to use it was just developed at the same time using it as a template

>>61098515
>HMS Prince of Wales

Strange to have a ship named after a title, so it's not actually permanently in honour of a specific person.

Like if the USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier was just called the USS President.

>>61099787
>XP was the last good looking windows.

Maybe if you're a preschooler.

>>61098381
>X11
>on a military vessel
are you fucking high

>>61101387
There have been two USS Presidents
one of them later renamed HMS President, even.

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>>61098239
>yfw you joined 4chan when the pre-Nanami OS-Tans were in their sunset.
Where does the time go?

>>61101387
>Strange to have a ship named after a title, so it's not actually permanently in honour of a specific person.
I dunno, seems pretty reasonable to me. You can have ships named after specific people as well, even if they hold/held the position another ship is named for.

>>61101436
the fuck did they do to os-tans
that waifu shittery isn't it

>>61098496
If you did the POSready2009 registry trick to keep getting updates then you got the early patch the same time as the other OS'es

The XP patch released later is the exact same update just rebranded as being for full XP.

>>61101398
The embedded theme is nice. Even then XP is the last windows to have the full blown classic theme.

>>61098219
Hospitals do this for the same reason.

>>61098392
The F-35 is a flying joke developed by incompetent retards.

And I'm not talking about the nitty-gritty engineers who designed it. I'm talking about the managers and project leaders who didn't plan for things like... lights that meet FAA requirements when flying in the USA during peace time, weapons bays that don't support upcoming weapons, pilot oxygen systems that still don't work properly for some reason.

The whole platform has been fucked from the start.

>>61101332
My internet always slowed down when it rained.

It turned out to be the exposed cable was getting sliced by the lawn mower people and water would seep into the cable causing a bad signal.

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>>61100879
Can confirm. At my work we have a punch machine for sheet metal. Had XP and some ancient computer for NcCad till last month when the harddrive bombed out.

>>61098247
Hello burger.

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>>61102453

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Where can I get these cases?

>>61099830
PTS-DOS

>>61103185
Post-traumatic stress disk operating system?

Well how else are they supposed to play Space Cadet Pinball?

>>61098410
>If there's a vulnerability in that communication protocol, and someone is able to exploit it, it isn't airgapped anymore.
No, it's just not airgapped, period, even if there are no vulnerabilities. Airgapped means there's no network connection.

>>61098177
>old embedded OS on some old thing
Why would it have Internet access, tho?

>>61100879
Credit card readers and receipt printers typically come with RS232 ports (along with the USB) to connect to anything. Writing a printer driver is a fairly easy task as you can skip any GUI widgets and most of the things that actually change between windows versions. The card reader should be even easier to talk to.

I serviced cash register computers ages ago, it wasn't possible to order hard drives small enough (20 gigs at the time) to fit the spec so I suggested getting laptop drives and adapters only to get that look from my boss.

>>61098177
I served in the naval forces of my country, some stuff are on even older systems- win 98 and 2000.

Main reason is the don't want to take risks. these systems save human lives, they can't take the risk of upgrading them and have an unexpected bug that can potentially lead to human death.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

>>61102273
I can't remember the last time I laughed at how accurate something is.

>>61103911
>>If it ain't broke, don't fix it
"has known exploitable security holes" should be viewed as "broken, in need of fixing"

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>>61098177
Are you guys listening?

Windows fucking sucks

It sucks for personal use and has a hundred different stupid problems and caveats that are constantly threatening to break or interfere with what you're doing, but you'd simply be a fool to depend on it for anything professional

Nobody uses Windows for their server. NOBODY. You know why? Because it's an infinite fractal of stupid, shitty designs and when you have a product or service that depends on being reliable or even working in the most literal sense you'd be a fool to depend on it

Windows fucking blows. Nobody likes it and they never did. The only reason people don't hate it more is because people hate Apple and people assume by association that Windows is good because it's not Apple

>>61098392
The F35 epitomises the term military–industrial complex. The thing it does best is syphon government money into Lockheed's pockets.

>>61102518
murrika doesnt have allies. murrika only has tools or potential victims for some more jewish wars.

>>61104060
This is true, but you can't get security updates in windows without major feature updates which also break 99% of your applications.

>>61098177
>using windows
>2017

>>61098381
Why would you need a graphical interface in the first place?

>>61101270
The PCs used in military operations aren't connected to the internet.

>>61104060
These systems are generally isolated, very hardened and can't connect to the internet

>>61104178
Neither were the machines in Iran's nuclear facilities that got bitten by stuxnet. If I remember right they jumped the air gap using a USB flash drive with infected firmware.

"just don't connect it to the internet" is perfect security for someone running a Windows 98 box to play old video games on. For something that foreign militaries and intelligence agencies will actually try to attack, it's a dangerously cavalier attitude.

>>61104067
In large enterprise companies where every guy has a huge outlook box Windows servers are a reality.

Most server's I managed as a security sysadmin were windows servers for that reason. It's ocmfy to make every system and application connect to Microsoft services(such as Active Directory, Exchange etc).

Plus people aren't used to anything else where I live. Macs are very expensive so hardly anyone uses them here, and Linux is too complicated for the average joe.

Window is still shit tho. I'd take Unix-like os's everytime

>>61104273
>use shitty stuff because it's easier, you can pay to make it someone else's problem, and you have 2,000 brain-dead employees who can't learn a new UI
yeah sounds like corporate IT alright

>>61098177
That XP setup is probably better defended and more secure than anything the health system had or has

>>61104313
Most end users have no idea about computers.

They can barely use windows properly and submit the most awkward and stupid issues on to their helpdesks.

Changing to new UI and working environemnt would make the entire workforce unproductive and will cost too much.

You have no idea how stupid people really are.
Software developers(especially in startup companies) don't work closely with end users and think most people are smart or at least decent as they are.

When you work at a sysadmin job you realize how much of idiots people can be

>>61100954
>It is not acceptable to use an operating system released in X, when it is CURRENT YEAR. In fact, it stopped being acceptable to use XP before it was replaced by anything [2006] hurr durr

>>61104222
There's plenty of safeguards in place against those types of intrusions.

>>61104421
Like operating systems that are still receiving patches for security holes?

>>61104442
Of which Windows XP is

>>61104060
Known, exploitable security holes are less of an issue when the system is suitable air gapped and physical media introduced to it is closely monitored. What's more of an issue is previously unknown bugs causing the system to crash. "Old and full of known flaws" is actually a benefit; you can be pretty sure you know about all the problems and how to deal with them. New with flaws you don't have an idea about and which might be added in updates is potentially disastrous.

Yes, this is totally counter to all accepted wisdom in computing circles, but when dealing with military hardware the rules are all different, and it's not because "hur dur military are dumb"; the priorities are necessarily all different.

When a critical server goes offline in a business, it's costly but not disastrous to have it offline for some time while you work out what obscure bug caused it and how to fix it, and being up-to-date for security fixes is important. When a critical computer in a warship goes offline, people can die because it's not managing anti-missile defences or whatever, it could lose you the battle, turn the tide of a war against you. "But exploitable security holes" doesn't matter if the computer isn't networked to anything, and if an enemy saboteur is on board to exploit it, they could just as easily do some more direct damage, like tossing an explosive into the engine room.

>>61104978
Or, you could lose the battle because of malware lurking somewhere in the ship's control systems that laid low until it received the command to launch a missile. That's essentially the ability to knock a ship out before it ever leaves port without anyone but you knowing about it until it happens. You think this isn't the kind of thing China would try?

They don't need a saboteur on board when the battle happens, and he doesn't need to do anything dangerous like drop explosives into the engine room. He can be some maintenance worker in port who just has to plug in a flash drive. Or leave it lying around to see if someone else plugs it in. He might not even know he's a saboteur, he could be someone with legitimate access to the ship's computer systems who gets himself spear-phished.

You're right the priorities of a military are a lot different from those of a business. They're a much, much more valuable target, and they have powerful adversaries who are very willing to spend years and millions of dollars to attack them in novel ways. Yes, of course regressions would be Really Bad. So test your shit. Build a copy of the network on shore when you build the ships, there's your dev environment. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the ship. Design the shit with the capability to have it's software upgraded. Air gaps are strong perimeter security but they are not infallible. Not patching, or being able to upgrade to current operating systems, is saying you don't need defense in depth. Yes, you do. If anything military applications need it even more, being the valuable targets they are.

>>61100954
Are you retarded?
Military still gets security updates and there's no other reason to update if everything just werks.
It's not your newest toy, it's a military ship. People maintaining it aren't stupid gayyymers falling for the 'but it's the newest one' meme.

>>61104442
Like the system they use?

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>>61098177
>running windows on military hardware

God save us.

>>61106283
>running X11 on anything
even WinAPI is more elegant than X11

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>>61106328
Not an endorsement of X11.

>>61098177
>build giant ramp
>surprised nasty shit gets on your ship
Now you wish you didn't build that big ramp don't you britbongs
Haha brexitards BTFO

>>61102273
I do sys support for engineering shops and quite a few run on xp. Usually I make clones of their harddrives as they wear out in metal dust in a year or two. I just drop a new one in place and everyone's happy again.

>>61106328
Not really. But both are pretty sad.

>>61098381
They wouldn't need Xorg you shit eating retard

>>61098247
>aircraft carrier that can't start anything
>aircraft carrier that gets stuck
>destroyer getting destroyed by cargo boat

>>61101022
Not in an orthodox way, no

>>61098515
op btfo!

>>61098177
This is bait and you've been baited, these use a special OS that is designed to look like XP but is completely different. They function the same as Windows CE or a Windows NAS/SAN OS, where they are locked the fuck down to everything but what they were designed to do, so in this case launch aircraft and perform other duties. They are also kept off the domain so even if some idiot figured out how to get the OS to do something mr hacker-san wouldn't be able to get into it unless they got on the carrier. I'd trust this old ass locked down XP lookalike OS way more than some fucking Windblows 7/10 or Linux OS, just based on the fact that not many people are going to have access to this OS to try fucking with it.

>>61104175
Nobody said you had to know how to work a command-line to join the navy, it'd be adding a new level of complication to a job that already underpays, given the circumstance.

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>>61098219

Everybody know Armies only use obsolete tech of 1980-1990.

>>61098177
just how many boards have you started this thread on OP?

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>huueee XP

Do you idiots realise that like 80% of all ATMs run xp?

Would you feel better if it was running windows 10 and broadcasted its position to Microsoft and force restart every 10 mins?


There is nothing wrong with XP. How many ATM's do you see getting remotely hacked into?

Quit parroting retarded clickbait journalism written by fucking morons and instead focus on the fact that it literally has a ramp.

>>61108202
no, I'd feel better if they weren't running fucking windows at all.

>>61108407
and running what instead?

>>61108432
just about anything else
linux, freebsd, freedos, fucking android even

>>61108448
good luck trying to get vendor support for that shit

>>61108460
there are supported options for linux, like RHEL and SLETC

>>61108448
>fucking android even
yeah no, not that one. But several flavors of Linux or any of the three major BSDs would be a defensible choice.

>>61108460
>vendor support
Otherwise known as "We're paying a lot of money for shitty software that the vendor won't maintain, but the contract says that when it breaks or gets hacked, its their fault, not ours"

Security should be more important than the buck-passing that is a support contract.

>>61108500
also windows has a very stable and mature API, you can't say the same thing about *nix

>>61108509
>yeah no, not that one. But several flavors of Linux or any of the three major BSDs would be a defensible choice.
would you at least agree that a decently done android system for this purpose would still be a better option than windows?

>>61108537
>Android
>Decent

Why do you think Google is trying to move away from that shitshow?

>>61108532
can't you?

>>61108532
>Windows
>Syscalls change between minor releases, no formal standard
>Unix
>POSIX, Single Unix Spec, etc

>>61098496
WannaCry didn't worm on XP. Everything in OP's source is wrong.

Also, I think that XP users still paying for updates had the patch at the same time as W7/8/10, it's the others who got it for free after the attack.

>>61098392
>the F35 is an extremely complicated
... in order to defend itself against GAO.

>>61098247
lol

>>61106881
>Usually I make clones of their hard drives as they wear out in metal dust in a year or two.
Are they using IBM hard drives?

>>61101436
>tfw you joined even before /g/ stood for guro
How time flies. Still here after 12+ years.

>>61101022
>You know there are ways to disable those, right?
Yes, but your warship would still connect to advertisement servers.

>>61101258
>And besides that, in the military it's generally considered better to have something old with known problems that you know how to deal with rather than something new which will probably throw a previously unknown problem at you at an inopportune time.

Well.

All of a sudden, after nearly 50 (FIFTY!) years of use we are informed that the main computer onboard the F-16 is, wait for it, unreliable! Really. And they accepted this in the site acceptance test and never complained ... until now.

It is probably a coincidence that this fits with their objective to get F-35 instead of repairing what should have been working from day one.

Oh yes, suddenly the F-16 air frames are now rated for fewer hours than originally stated.

It is probably also a complete unrelated coincidence that L-M makes both F-16 and F-35.

>>61104978
>if an enemy saboteur is on board to exploit it, they could just as easily do some more direct damage, like tossing an explosive into the engine room.
If that is the thinking of the US Navy you have a huge problem there.

One saboteur tossing an explosive into the engine room is peanuts. At most it sinks one ship. Most likely it won't sink as ships are meant tu survive battles.

Far more serious is it to take over the battle command system and target all own ships in, say, a carrier group and sinking them one by one. Or uploading secret details over radio that supposedly is for other use. Or lighting up a transmitter while under EmCon.

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>>61108432

i was onboard HMS QE yesterday and people were talking about this.
apparently a couple of systems are running XP out of software necessity, i believe flight control was one. Though the intention is that this is only temporary and by the time the ship becomes operational it definitely wont be XP.