/pcbg/ PC Building General

>>61096887
>shopping for new computer
>everything is labeled "WITH JAPANESE CAPACITORS"
What the fuck? Is this the new "military grade" meme?

thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4k_ErEg-FU

>>61096887
>7700k
sage in all fields, intelcucks on full damage control

Newbie to pc building here, how is this build? Any pointers?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r22r8K
Ignore monitors/headset

>>61096915
It's because of the cheap chink caps from the early 2000s onwards that would fail after a couple of years, versus Japanese ones that were much better quality. These days the divide is much smaller when comparing quality parts from either, though there's obviously still plenty of cheap chink garbage about. It's just another marketing box that manufacturers feel they need to tick when it comes to PSUs and motherboards.

>>61096915
This is 18+ website. Leave.

So how do I go about keeping back ups? Use wd green? Right now I have around 3tb of storage I need to backup

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>>61096887

Need help anons, always been computer hardware illiterate (Not to say I've never built a computer by hand, I've done it twice). Personally I know what the parts do, but not how to balance quality with my wallet.

Main issues I'm having come to a decision:
> Budget is limited at $1,000
> I am not a heavy gamer anymore, but still play resource intensive games like Dwarf Fortress, Eve, Overwatch, etc.
> Computer also needs to be able to handle very very large data processing requests through programs like STATA and excel, I work at a polling agency so there is a lot of data being processed when I finish work at home.

I don't really give a shit about any aesthetic bells and whistles like flashy cases, I just want it to run without catching fire.

What I'm hoping from this build:
> As cheap as possible without sacrificing functionality, I want "good" not "great"
> Reliability, don't want parts wearing out after a year, theoretically I might go overseas so I won't have the easiest or cheapest time getting updates

Thanks for helping a faggot who has no clue what he's doing

Is there any reason not to buy a Ryzen instead of an Intel house fire? I've heard nothing but horror about sky/kaby lake and no complaints about ryzen

What's your favorite 1080 ti model/general Nvidia manufacturer?

>>61097909
What AMD has
>Better prices
>Better performance
>An actual stable architecture
>People who care about their customers

What Intel has
>Greediness
>Rushing products
>Indians
>Jews

>>61097962
Does amd really have better performance? For highly intensive games the 7700k seems way better than the 1800x

>>61097984
In gaming maybe, but in all around purposes the 1800x is better. The 1800x isnt even any better than a 1700 because you can take it and clock it up way past what the 7700k's performance offers whereas the 7700k has been having severe overclocking problems

>>61097984
Yeah but the 7700k is at 80-90% usage and has lower minimum framerates. It also is on a dead socket, Intel isn't releasing any new processors on lga1151, where amd is going to support am4 for the next 5 years or something.

>Bought everything yesterday
>Today some sales seem to drop
I hate myself... Why can't I just figure out when sales happen?

Though, in a few days there's added taxes to electronics, that got me rushed...

>>61098097
>added taxes to electronics
where? source?

>>61098154
Not in the US, but Sweden.
It's something about manufacturing chemicals.

https://www.skatteverket.se/foretagochorganisationer/skatter/punktskatter/kemikalieskatt.4.3152d9ac158968eb8fd1f3c.html

>>61097984
"Seems"

On day one. Sure.

Today, not really, the R5-1600X and R7-1700X equal or surpass it now even in its "gaming" category thanks to patching + people knowing how to properly build a Ryzen setup.

>Buy CoolerMaster G550M PSU
>G apparently stands for "Garbage" PSU for 2 years of usage spent most of the times on several RMA

I need a new cheap PSU
anyone here could tell me if Seasonic S12II-520 is a good choice?

ANYONE know where to get a GTX 1080 or a GTX 980TI for REASONABLE PRICES??? The wannabe economists all list their cards for 2 times the regular prices

>>61098267
go for it. Seasonic is great

>>61098299
https://www.adorama.com/us%20%20%20%20873786.html

>Finally installed windows 7 ultimate on ryzen 1600
>daz loader doesnt work

what can i do to activate it?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z7tKTH

What I have so far. Gaming/Streaming.

I think I got good ram, but I'm not 100% sure.
Also I can't decide on a CPU cooler. I've heard that the Cooler Master Airmaster with the 8 pipes is one of the best air coolers you can get, but it's kinda pricy compared to a Noctua 15.

why are the 1070s randomly going out of stock suddenly??

Should I get a second gtx 980 or just sell my other one and get a 1070/1080?

>>61098416
Miners

>>61098430
fuck that shit is so annoying...

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>>61098267
Also PC specs
i also have Thermaltake SmartSE530W in this price range and XFX TS Core Bronze

>>61098402
change PSU to better quality like EVGA G2 or G3

Will the 1800X (with 1080ti) be able to run Overwatch, FFXIV, WoW, etc. at 1440p/144fps without drops?

I need a PC for school and I can't keep using my work computer. I was going to build a ryzen rig but this GPU shortage is killing me, time is against me with a full blown fall semester approaching. Should I build my ryzen rig and throw a cheap ass graphics card in to get me through school and add a nice graphics card when price drops OR build an intel build and use the integrated graphics. I can't think of any other options.

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>>61096887
What do I upgrade first. Also why the fuck is RGB all over everything now?

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How is this for gaming?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BxXYZ8

>decide to upgrade memory amount from 8gb to 16gb
>prices on DDR4 memory has doubled over the past 15 months
WHY

>>61098558
>Muh SUPER GRAFIX FATAL3TY GAMER EXPLOSIVE DIARRHEA PCI-E MAX LANES RICE

That's why.

>>61098402

>1070
>899.99

>>61098574
Still no great advantage over DDR3 and they are losing sales.

>>61098574
Just wait for ddr5

>>61098462
A G4400 is more than enough for that. So yes, it'll be plenty.

>>61098446
Won't last long. 6 months and mining will be dead again

>>61096915
Because the Japanese ones wont blow up after a year.

Can anyone suggest an SSD to me, please?

>>61098462
>without drops

Nothing can achieve that.

However, the R7-1800X + GTX-1080Ti, and fastest RAM & SSD you can get; will probably get you the closest to your goal.

>>61097349
Ryzen 5 1600
A cheap A320 or B350 mATX motherboard
16GB of DDR4-2666 (or higher) RAM that's on the motherboard's QVL list
a 240GB SSD and a 1TB HDD (optional)
an RX 560
a $40 mATX non-windowed case
a $50 80+ Bronze/Gold semi-modular PSU by Superflower/FSP/Seasonic
Find the best deals (not necessarily the cheapest parts) and don't hesitate to use those rebates.

>finally install windows 7 ultimate on ryzen after half a day
>go to crack it with windows loader
>says unsupported partition table

any way to fix this without buying a legit key or reinstalling windows?

>>61098580
>no great advantage
Wut?

Their data transfer rates are a couple magnitudes greater though.
Price is up because of huge current demand

>>61098203
>More bullshit from AMD shills
Sure thing familia

>>61098662
No

I'm a slow gamer, it's 2017 and I'm still playing games from 2012-2013. I want to build a new rig at 2020 so I can play games from 2017 and backward at High-Max setting, my budget is 1000$. Please suggest me some build.

>>61098826
You want recommendations on parts from the year 2020?

>>61098685
for gaming, as of now, makes little to no difference at all.

>>61098826
How is the future like my friend?
Did Trump get a second term?

>>61098564
Any help on this?

>>61098558
everything

>>61098826
The Bogs recommend the GTX 2580ti

>>61098826
get vega and zen2

is $204 dollars for a Sapphire Pulse Mini (ITX sized) 570 worth it? Found one from a local PC store. Or should I go with a GTX 970 for almost the same price?

>mfw GTX 660Ti is already $180 here kek

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R8 me bros. anything i should know before i pull the trigger, its centered around music production hence 8 cores and 32g ram, and nvme.
its your typical Ryzen build but with cancerous RGB which i will gladly take the hate for.

>>61098980
No

>>61098993
You are buying 300 dollars worth of RAM. Make sure those models are on the QVL.
No GPU? Ryzen has no iGPU.

>>61098993
Make sure the mobo has the latest BIOS update.
My x350 prime wouldn't clock over 2133 stable until a little over a month ago. The ASUS boards were hit hard on the RAM compatibility.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZFFKTH

Howdy /g/! This is the build I have been sitting on for a couple weeks now. I would like few other opinions on some of these components. My biggest concerns are the case and motherboard.

I play a lot of Arma 3, Planetside 2, and Farming Simulator and enjoy streaming here and there. I also use Photoshop and Illustrator fairly regularly. I know Arma 3 is kind of a shitty game for Ryzen, but it has hated all processors I've ever thrown at it. If anyone has some current Arma 3 benchmarks for the 1600 I'd really appreciate a look.

I'd like to overclock to 3.7-3.8 ghz to get some more performance in the games; is the motherboard too cheap for that? Will the average B350 VRMs be capable of those clocks? What if I got a good chip and wanted to go up to 4.0?

The case doesn't have a ton of reviews so I don't know much about it. If anyone has better recommendations I'd be very grateful. I don't want to spend much more than 60 bucks; I want good airflow, a simple design, and a nice side panel window without fan holes.

For the GPU I was planning on an RX580 or GTX 1070; I will use a pretty mediocre 1080p 60hz monitor for a while but would like to upgrade to a 1440p sometime early next year.

I've been out of the PC building loop a while so I need all the feedback I can get. My total budget cannot go over $1100 and I'd like to stay in the $950-1000 range if possible.

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>>61098980
Nigga buy that shit and sell on Ebay then buy yourself a 1060 or 1070 when they're available again.

>>61099048
>For the GPU I was planning on an RX580 or GTX 1070
Sucks to be you. These cards are either out of stock or extremely overpriced at the moment. You can try your luck with the restock at the end of June.

>>61099041
>>61099047

ill peep that pretty soon, i assumed they would be since asus and gskillz had a thing for eachother with rgb, and with the gpu im going to go for something under $100. there's no gpu in the build because i cant think of any to use. it was originally suppose to go with 1070 but ETH.

>>61098461
Odd that a G3 650 Watt was cheaper than the 550 Watt, but hey, I ain't complaining.

Still
>>61098579
I know, man.
When I first put that part on the list it wasn't that expensive.
So many bitcoin miners. This shit is getting ridiculous.

Either way, I still have a gtx 970. Not the toppest of the line, but hey it's something.

>>61099123
There has been cases of anons in this thread buying incompatible ram and unable to go above 2133mhz or even POST.

I currently have a Radeon RX 470 4gb GDDR5 that I bought for 140$, prices are around 400-600$ depending where you look now, do I sell and buy something else, if so where do I sell and what is a good replacement for a RX 470

>>61099162
Sell it. Ebay. Craigslist. Anywhere. Do it fast cause Eth is crashing harder than a your mom did on prom night after a couple of beers.

>>61099048
You type like a faggot.

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Is this a good richfag build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nsn8cc

>>61099201
You can afford a better CPU cooler and not a FE 1080ti

>>61099179
What is a good price to sell at

>>61099225
Depends on where you are living in and who is buying. Check your local hardware swap for a good estimate.

>>61099179
Sell on craigslist to avoid the faggot buyers making a false claim that your product failed and you get jewed

Need to build a system for playing old school RuneScape and driving either two 4K monitors or perhaps two 1440p 144Hz monitors. Other than RuneScape, the heaviest thing I do is some Excel tasks and having quite a few Chrome tabs open. The RS client I use has the ability to use OpenGL acceleration; I'm not sure how much it stresses the GPU

Any recommendations? I was looking at a Skull Canyon NUC but I'm not sure

>>61099201
>richfag
>AMD

Pick one

>>61099097
Yeah it sucks hardcore but at least I don't have to have them right now. I figured I'd just wait a few weeks and eventually find one when the price dips back to normal or below normal.

>>61099328
It will be months before the price goes back to normal unless you buy second hand

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>>61099289
>>61099223
How's this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BMcGFd

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>>61096915
You never had a pc shits mobo with stuffed caps

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/vGcGFd

Building this for my girlfriend, look alright? I know the PSU is a bit bigger than needed but its on clearance so why the heck not

>>61099361
>Founder's Edition
No

>>61096887
Has anyone here tried to use the G4560 with a strong GPU (say 1070 or 980 Ti) for work/coding/animu and light gaming in 4K ?

>inb4 poor fag, meme cpu

>>61099364
>All liquid Chinese capacitors.

Willing to bet none of those boards still work today.

>>61099366
come back and let me know how those fans look
any footage anywhere?
why those fans?

>>61099364
I'm so glad that this shit, noname boards, Tomato, etc don't exist anymore.

>>61099389
Give me a better 1080 ti model then

>>61099448
There are some poor people around the world, and they have soldering irons.
And capacitors.

>>61099533
Asus Strix

>>61099547
It's out of stock. Is there anything particularly bad about the founder's if I've got money to burn?

>>61099564
Founder's Edition run hotter and louder than aftermarket cards. Oh and at a lower clock speed as well. The only reason to ever buy them is because they are out in the market first (~1 month before aftermarket cards hit) or you are planning to install your own custom cooling loop.

>>61099361

Get the i7 X series when it comes out with one of these gay mobos

https://promotions.newegg.com/asus/17-4150/index.html?cm_sp=Homepage-Top2016-_-P3_asus%2f17-4150-_-%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fasus%2f17-4150%2f1920x360.jpg&icid=401436

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>tfw geforce gtx 1080 price went up $100 in the hour between building a parts list and ordering the parts

so tell me fellas, ive been planning on a R7 build but rumor is that mobo's are bricking? anyone having issues with this?

>>61099648
>Even 1080 are affected now
God save us all

So 650 for 1080 or 750 for a 1080 TI
Is 1080 TI worth the extra money? And which is the best kind?

>>61099689
1080ti is probably the one card that is unaffected by the jews. The best kind is Aurous or Asus Strix.

>>61099468
Girlfriend wanted pretty fans, lmao thats literally it

question. Assuming bluetooth compatible, is ANY Xbox one controller usable for PC gaming? or only specific versions?

>>61099618
What would make the gaymer version of those better than what I already selected?

>>61099782
Yes. Xbox360 controllers are the best imo

>>61099794
ignore him. he's an intel shill who hasn't figured out X299 is absolute shit yet

>>61099800
So instead of grabbing one of the bluetooth Xbox 1 controllers, I should just grab a USB receiver for my old Xbox 360 controller? I saw a bunch. Any specific receiver you'd recommend?

>>61099852
Yes. MS made sure all their controllers works with W10. They are even plug and play.

>>61099822
I bet you think Ryzen is good for gaming,

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QTpzr7

>just

1.1k build turned into 1.5k build
Might as well go balls deep at this point, what other performance upgrades can be made?

>corsair 3000mhz ram is only running at 1000mhz
how can i fix this? on the latest bios for asus b350m-a

>>61099864
I have one of the new Windows 10 Dell Inspiron 7567 gaming laptops, and a 10 year old OG white Xbox 360 I haven't touched in a while. The laptop supports bluetooth even if my 360 controllers don't have it. Which wireless receiver should I get for it?
The laptop is just to tide me over til I can get the parts for my desktop build. A decent laptop is always good to have anyways.

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My motherboard is crapping out on me here and there, should I make the switch to Ryzen? I'm currently running FX.

>>61099926
Why not connect via wired USB?
You have something against wires?

>>61099919
By buying RAM on the QVL.

>>61099919
Latest "stable" or the latest beta?
ASUS stable line doesn't include all of the latest memory stability upgrades.
You'll still have to fiddle with the settings to manually set your ram speeds. Change the clock, voltage and CAS times to those specified by the ram and see if it posts. If it doesn't try running the clock lower.

>>61099917
Might as well get a sweet casing over a 200R

>>61099970
latest stable which was released a month ago
I have no idea what clock,voltage,cas are by the way,is there a guide anywhere?

Are noctus fans a meme? I know they were being shilled hardcore yesterday but I'm looking for a higher priced higher quality than cooler Master fan

>>61099958
>You have something against wires?
didn't know it was an option. All I ever saw were wireless receivers for it.
would this work? Keep in mind original Xbox 360 controllers. I know they made changes to them later on with the black 360 slim models.
https://www.amazon.com/HDE-Charge-Charging-Wireless-Controllers/dp/B005V0UPLI/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1498532356&sr=8-7&th=1

>>61099877
I bet you think a 7700k is required for 60 fps.

>>61099987
Go into your bios
Set your RAM speed to what you bought it.
Save and boot. Check speed in windows.
Repeat if it isn't except up the voltage.
Save. Boot. Check.
Repeat except with cas. Etc etc.

>>61099994
No. What you need is https://www.amazon.com/Fosmon-Replacement-Dongle-Breakaway-Controllers/dp/B009I0VK2U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498532653&sr=8-1&keywords=360+to+usb

>>61100003
>60 fps
It's not 2011 anon

hey /g/uys, i bought a h115i and I was planning to mount it in the front instead of the top. Read somewhere that the lines should be at the bottom of the rad and not the top, either way is fine just want to know if this is better or worse for the pump.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/wqNxvV

Poor fag build

>>61100014
but I don't have a wired controller. It's be cheaper to just get the dongle for my wireless one from my 360.

>>61100034
Oh then go for it.

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I tried buying this PC off craigslist last week for $900 thinking he would come back with $950-$1000. The thing is used for 6 months and obviously a pre-built so parts are probably cheap.

He got angry at my offer and told me to fuck off and I asked what he wanted, he told me $1500. Well bestbuy rn has the sameone for $1500, also I put together something quick on pcpp, but I was wondering if anyone wants to build something cheaper than $1500 that smokes this thing out of the water? I want to send him a few builds.

What's the best GPU to pair with a Pentium G4560?

I was looking into getting a GTX 1060 but it appears that it will be bottle necked by the CPU.

>>61100064
Make some fake email accounts and send him even lower offers.

>>61099648
Holy fucking SHIT

What a horrible time to be an enthusiast

>>61100008
tried to set it to 2100 and it tried to boot three times then forced me into bios

>>61100064
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/brWzr7
Wow that wasn't hard

>>61100115
Well that is what you get for using RAM not in the QVL.

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Any problems with this? Still haven't picked out a case
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8vmmzM

>>61100138
You are buying nearly 300 dollars worth or ram. Have you checked that it is compatible yet?

>>61100137
you cant even find the qvl in asus website desu,and pc part picker said i have no compatibly issues

>>61100126
You clearly didn't read shit, but yah thanks. I just want to include some of you fa/g/s when I sent a few links. Don't be fucking dense next time.

Potential first build, mostly for gaming. Am I missing anything? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/33dd7h

>>61100145
Yeah of course it's compatible, why wouldn't it be? The pcpartpicker compatibility filter should work fine right?

>>61100077
Anything under 1060

>>61100077
rx 470 by far.

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>>61100150
says its compatible on the website,why does it only give 1000mhz instead of 3000?

>>61096887
I once remember reading about someone who had one of these goofy types of cases, but instead of a magazine, it was a small pistol, and one time he went through customs with his computer, security destroyed it trying to access the pistol they could see on the motherboard.

>>61100168
PCP compatibility doesn't check for RAM. Why do you think the OP was edited to include that fact?

>>61100178
Where are you getting 1000mhz? Post speecy or something so we can see. Even DDR3 gets 1600mhz and DDR4 minimum is 2133mhz so there is no way you are getting only 1000mhz or 1000x2mhz.

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Is PNY brand any good? They are the only ones left with decently priced 1080s but none of them have reviews

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>>61100214
when I installed the ram in the motherboard the manual said to go X-O-X-O for dual channel ram where O is where the ram channels where supposed to go
I went with X since I couldnt get the sticks to fit in o for some reason,could that be it?

>>61100245
1066mhz is correct since DDR means double data rate and 1066 x 2 = 2132 and that is the minimum speed of DDR4. You should always put your RAM in dual channel slots. Also try turning XMP on. See the last bar. 1499mhz. That should be right timing.

>>61100270
so my optimal timings should be 15-17-17-35-52?

>>61100176
And where can I get one for a reasonable price?

Does anyone know where I can pre-order one?

>>61100307
Yes

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>>61100316
do you know if im missing drivers for the cpu ?
temps and the full name of cpu and memory dont show on speccy

>>61100357
Update your speecy

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>>61100270
hey dipshits, graphics cards in brick and mortar stores arent affected by the price hike.
even fucking best buy with their kike prices are still like 300 and 400 dollaridoos for a 1070 and 1080 respectively
DEFEND YOURSELF FROM THE CRYPTOJEW'S INFLUENCE

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>>61100193
The price you pay for getting an autistic looking MB

Okay so who are the good AM4 motherboard makers?

Gigabyte is out because of OP's pic
Asrock is out because they already EoL'd one of their motherboards only 3 months after launch, get some quality control niggers

So that leaves ANUS, MSI, and - what? Biostar?

>>61100442
>>61100442
Cheapest 1080 at bestbuy is $550

>>61100468
MSI, for the B350 stuff.

How much improvement will I see at 1080p60 jumping from my 570 SLI setup to 1070?

So I checked the QVL on the Gigabyte Gaming 3 AB350.
The ram I was looking at getting is close but not quite the same set of 16GB that's on the QVL.
It's G.Skill and 3200, but the Module P/N's don't quite match.

Does it have to match 1 to 1 with the QVL or can I get by with a close enough?

If it has to match, then no big deal. I have plenty of money to build. $13 more isn't gonna kill me.

>>61100516

500

>>61100524
wow that's a lot of improvements

>>61100520
should just dump the 13$ and match them,one less thing that can go wrong later on

anyone have any expirience with powerline adapters?
do you get fast net and stable ping?

>>61100516
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-570-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080/3156vs3603

>>61100480
i said brick and mortar, not online
you have to physically go in the store and physically pick it up

>>61100764
but it's dangerous outside

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/trC8cc

Don't complain about the price or the price of the list in total. I can afford this, I plan on ordering it all tonight.

All I want you to do is critique the choice of the parts.

>>61100788
you must brave the outside world to get those noice prices anon
bring a prison shank if you need too
that, or wait until the new voltas graphics cards come out in a few months

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>>61096887
>cheap high-speed RAM doesn't work with AMD mobo
>replacement, not quite as cheap RAM doesn't work with AMD mobo
>replacement mobo won't get here until Friday when I start travelling
>turnaround and price of ordering RAM to test will start mounting up when I get back

>>61100818
...but I hit my post button too early, by accident.

If I have 4x RAM slots should the placement of 2x chips matter? 1x?
If I have a vidya card plugged in (but no OS yet) should it matter if my monitor is plugged into the mobo or the GPU?
If I'm not getting to BIOS and not getting chiptones when I boot up, but case and CPU fans are working and I can hear drives, is there any way to tell whether the pof is CPU, Mobo, or RAM?

>>61100807
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/trC8cc
Please
PLEASE
at least get a high end cpu-mobo setup
Like i9 299 or Threadripper 399

If not i feel like you'll be wasting your money.

>>61099389
Got mine interest free from Harvey Norman lmao

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>>61100828
>If I have 4x RAM slots should the placement of 2x chips matter? 1x?
with 1 it doesn't matter. with 2 or more sticks be sure they are in dual channel like in the pic. might wanna read your mobo manual.

>If I have a vidya card plugged in (but no OS yet) should it matter if my monitor is plugged into the mobo or the GPU?
ryzen has no iGPU so your monitor should be connected to your GPU.

I have old PC with 700w psu, gtx 660 and old motherboard with lga775 socket. I definitely want buy new motherboard, with new cpu and new ddr4 ram. Goal is 3d modelling and running new games as good as possible with streaming. Budget around 400$. Wanted to go with ryzen 1600, but I'm afraid about bottlenecking

>>61101100

400 burgers for the lot pretty much means the 1600 is your only option.

>>61101100
Nothing is going to bottleneck a gtx 660

>>61101150
Thanks i just worried about making a huge mistake

>>61101100
Also checking RAM on amazon right now, everybody advises to buy g.skill https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015FXXBW0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1498540790&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=3200mhz+ddr4+8gb&dpPl=1&dpID=31t%2B-8YJKjL&ref=plSrch
But corsair is a bit cheaper right now
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0143UM4TC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498540790&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=3200mhz+ddr4+8gb&dpPl=1&dpID=410ZIrDj5cL&ref=plSrch

>>61101182
Check your mobo QVL.
This can't be fucking stated enough.

>>61101188
Thanks anon, learning something new every day

>>61101182
Fuck motherboard QVL, go directly to https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/ and find RAM with samsung chips.

>>61101401
or don't wast extra money for practically no difference.

>>61100807
>2 4k monitors
lmao, 2k is basically all you need.
go for 2k at 144hz instead of 4k at 60hz
also go to a brick and mortar store instead of ordering the graphics cards online, you'll save about $500 dollars
you dont need 128gb of ram. at most you'll need 16, the other 48gigs will literally be a waste of money and can actually slow down your computer
>optical drive
lmao
>sound card
sound cards are the appendix of computers, completely fucking worthless
get a better set of headphones instead

>>61101447
True, you shouldn't waste money on sticks with same chips and different XMP. But get better chips.

>>61100445
Holy shit saved

shittaste karma

Etherium can't crash fast enough.
All the brick and mortar stores are out of 1060 and I am too poor to afford a 1070.
Online is a fucking shit fest.
I fucking hate jews. Is this how people get introduced to the idea of /pol/?

>>61098564
Get a 4560 instead and an ssd.

>>61101489
>lmao
Anon it's 15$ (onefivepointzero) and you'll look like an asshat and feel like an asshat if you ever get in the situation where you could use it. Like, say, for resetting to stock drivers without an internet connection. Or trying to create a second boot media since USB ports are in fact limited. Or wouldn't work without prep for some reason- installing windows 7 on newer intel chip being a more recent example.

You don't use it often, but when you do it's convenient. & it costs fucking nothing, literally if you just dig one out of an old junker pc.

>>61099648
>Being sad about the upcoming eBay harvest

Not like there are games to play anyway

>>61101753
So like that box of expired condom on your bedstand?

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Any recommendations for small PSU?
I'm trying to build a small NUC clone.

>>61101489
Also, sound cards can make a (very) noticeable difference if the on-board is some cheap piece of shit.
Which is more common than you might think, even on mid-tier boards.
Because, like you, the manufacturers (and the consumers not-so-coincidentally) think they're 'the appendix'.

Better analogy would be a second kidney.

>>61101768
Please, I keep those in my optical drive.

Best manufacturers for b350 mobo?

>>61101778
third kidney

>>61101813
AsRock
Asus(as of now)

>>61101823
>AssRock

Thinking about a Noctua D15s for my 1600, too much cooler for a mild overclock?

Why the fuck is m.2 support inconsistent per vendor

>>61101899
because nobody cares

>>61101893
>Mild OC
Just use the stock

You guys think this will run every game for a couple years ?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g3fnVY

>>61101913
yes

>>61101912
Wraith Spire is nice, but I'd prefer something quieter.

>>61101923
H7

>>61101760
>Buying a used video card on ebay

It will have been raped by being used as a miner and die quickly. You'll at least need to replace the fans.

>>61101816
An extra kidney.

Usefulness depends on how much kidney you already have.

I just recived my new maximus IX Hero motherboard and was reading a bit in the manual for fun. I noticed this note:
>Ensure that you install the correct cpu designed for LGA1151 socket only. Do not install a cpu designed for LGA155 and LGA1156 sockets in the LGA 1151 socket.

What does this mean for my Intel Core i7-4790K Prosessor?

>>61101922
thanks

>>61101977
>Core i7-4790K
https://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz
Sockets Supported FCLGA1150

>>61101994
o-oh... So i actually need to buy a new cpu?

>>61102028
Yes. Or a new Mobo. Make sure your RAM is DDR4.

>>61102037
>DDR4
Fug.
I'm not sure if it's worth it if i need to upgrade my CPU and RAM.
My 16gb of RAM is DDR3, but it was like 150 $ desember 2016.

>>61102142
Return your mobo and get a one with your socket.

I need your help guys.

I bought a Ryzen processor, when I went to remove the brackets that came on the motherboard for aftermarket coolers, the backplate fell off my motherboard.

At this point I have no idea how to install the wrait-spire cooler as it appears to require holding both the backplate and the CPU cooler at the same time and turning the screws.

Did I do something wrong?

>>61102150
You fucked up

>>61096915
>this the new "military grade" meme?
It's a thicker motherboard, and in general more quality parts.

>>61102147
Yes i'm seriously considering this. Would the downgrade be a big cut off on the performance ?
Any recommendations ? I'm a fan og the maximus mobos as they got a friendly bios menu and tools like the LED screen that shows error codes etc.

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WHY THE FUCK WON'T YOU INSTALL
REEEEEEEEEE

>>61102174
Mobo choice has no impact on performance aside from overclocking capabilities or other stuff like more PCI-E etc. As for the mobo, I don't know, LGA1150 is a pretty old socket.

>>61102176
Cucked by MS

>>61102166

I literally didn't.

I think MSI fucked up and was supposed to attach the backplate to the motherboard.

>>61102237
Then RMA if you think MSI fucked up

>>61102186
I see...
I'm looking into the prices of a new CPU and some RAM now. It's expensive but i'm still considering it.
The new Ryzen CPU doesnt seem to fit either tho which i find strange.
What does /g/ think about the Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake Prosessor ?

>>61102262
Read the OP.
Ryzen CPU is a completely new socket which is AM4

>>61102262
>What does /g/ think about the Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake Prosessor ?
We think it's only good at 144hz gaming and a massive waste of money at everything else

>1060 out of stock
>1070 out of stock
>1080 now 100 dollars more expensive
>1080ti out of price range
>AMD absolutely out of stock

I have an intel i5 4440 and an Asus z97 pro, I want to upgrade my processor, is it worth to buy a better one for this motherboard or should I buy a new one?

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>>61096887
Need a new GPU for my build. Seeing as how all the mid-range shit is fucking extinct thanks to mining, I am considering getting a used 970 3.5 meme card.

I can get one in my area for $115, should I do it? Ideally this would just hold me over until something like a 1060 6GB or 580 comes back in stock at a reasonable price.

>>61102337
Latter

>>61102342
Just wait

>>61102266
>>61102319
Yeah i red the OP, sorry about that.
I do use a 144hz monitor tho. But i'm seriously considering sending my mobo back and going for a ryzen build instead since i'm forced to put so much money into this cashcow of a computer anyway.

>>61102337
Depends on what you want to do. You should be able to get a decently priced 4770k and be fine. If you need something more powerful, then go Ryzen.

>>61102337
Too recent, get a great GPU first and upgrade later on when you feel the need to

>>61102331
>The Great GPU crash of 2017 that changed the pc building world

>>61102380
(((Oy vey)))

>>61102343
Thank you, it will take a while to save for them.
>>61102357
I just want more power for my shitty, unoptimized MMO.
>>61102361
I already have a GTX 970 and I don't think I'll move from 1080p gaming.

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>>61102380
>Judea declares war on AMD

Can i use an AMD card as my main card and throw in an Nvidia in there that will be used by Adobe programs?

>>61102436
No

Is a 240gb SSD worth it over the 120gb one

>>61102465
Depends but yes is the correct answer

>>61102246

I found the solution you little shit.

Motherboards are supposed to have their backplates attached(or at least the last couple I have had did), this meant if you disconnected the cooler you didn't need to remove the motherboard.

MSI didn't do this which means the cooler literally has to be installed before the motherboard goes in the case.

>>61102465
oh and is 16gb ram a meme or not

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>>61102456
am i forced to disable GPU acceleration then?
premiere pro / media encoder keeps crashing as long as OpenCL GPU acceleration is used, software rendering takes a lot of time (but thankfully my R7 1700 can take it on)

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Should i do it anons? I already own a gtx 1080 Ti.
Opinions?

>>61102479
if you are ok with a bit less fps in games, but better at everything else, then yes.

>>61102479
Make sure the RAM is compatible

I have an i5-4460, is it outdated?

>>61102436
Just get an Nvidia card as your primary. Amd cards are selling for high prices so you might be able to sell it for a good profit now too.

>>61102524
>a bit less fps ?
I was hoping for 60 fps where the lock is 60 and 144fps in other games since i got a 144hz monitor 2560 x 1440 resolution.
What do i need to reach this fps anon ?
>>61102549
Yes this is a ddr4 RAM that was recommended by someone in the comments of the site i'm buying from.

>>61102580
No.

>>61102594
good to know, thanks

>>61102331
Mining was a mistake.

>>61102436
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cc-gpu-card-faq.html

>>61102589
just less in general if put against 7700k. obviously you can change graphic settings to get to any fps you'd like.

I just mean in general lets say 1 game benchmark says the 7700k will get 140fps where the 1700x might only report 120fps.

this is still due to in gaming high core clock still is king, but in everything else the 1700x mops the floor with the 7700k. I.e video render etc.

if fps in games is all you care about and you will do nothing else buy game, then you are better off getting a 7700k and OCing it to the higest you can get it to.

the reason ryzen is getting popular is because it gives pretty good performance in games while also allowing users to get much better render times and well as other work related stuff while also providing good game performance.

it is really a give and take. you just have to decide if you want a more well rounded build, or just go straight for FPS in games and nothing else.

>>61102477
Hardware wise what you want to do is fine, it's just Adobe shit that doesn't have a function to specify what card to use for rendering (at least as far as I know using versions of After Effect CS). Maybe you can get a separate renderer?

>>61102670
What a retarded and pointless post.

>>61102589
If you predominately play games and want to get the best use of your monitor, get the 7700k. With the 1080Ti you're all gravy.

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How do I install Win7 on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake systems?

>>61102703
There are plenty of guides that have been posted on here and on google. Do a little search anon.

>>61102670
Thanks for this post anon.
I certainly don't mind the option to have good performance in general, but i can't really say that i do anything work related on my computer atm.
I'm planning to get into programming and some amature game dev stuff in the next few months tho.

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>>61102707
Can you spoon-feed me please?
I've searched around and all I found that looked accessible to a 14yo brain was this youtube video.
https://youtu.be/APcboOpP4TY
and even then it doesn't seem viable.
Is there a guide specifically on the /g/wiki for this?

>>61102700
what an simple minded and retarded post, but hey intel shills gonna shill like it is the only option in the world and everyone needs the same thing due to group think.

>>61102759
>>61096328

>>61102778
Thank you.

>>61102670
God job, two shekels in your account today.
Recent games benefit from more cores, so the i7 id's inferior. Enjoy your gaymes from 2014 I guess.

>>61098653
Not that guy but whats a rebate? Is it trading in an old part for a discount or something?

>>61102816
This is the part where I ask for a source and this thread proceeds to go to shit.

>>61102778
Now can you show me guides like this, but for Kaby lake?

>>61102772
Is this a bait or what. There are two options, and he recommended one of these, but he didn't say the other was pure shit.
Also, note that he said "if", which would mean you could go with a 1700/1800 if you care about other stuff that aren't gaming. Read that post above.

>>61102853
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3413666/guide-installing-windows-kaby-lake.html

>>61102823
Weeks ago adored made a video about this exact matter.
>inb4 adored
There's a bunch data on games all over the net where you can see that in gta5 Intel wins and in games that came out a half year ago amd wins.

>>61100468
what board did they eol?

hey guys, i have a 10y.o potato pc worse than my microwave and have finally gathered just enough money to buy a gaming pc. i almost have no idea what to buy.

i wanna run overwatch/gta v tier games on high while being able to record at 60fps. was thinking of shadowplay as recording tool and premiere for editing. i have a 1440x900 screen, which is gonna be my 2nd, gonna buy a 1920x1080, dunno if ill go for 144hz since my budget is around $800, max $1000 for everything (including screen), im a eurofag

gonna start looking into OP's links right after i post this

Should I wait for the i58xxx in August before getting the ryzen or both of these are going to be too on par with each other?

G4560 + 1070
What do you think? Only for gaming.

>>61103002
Look into Ryzen 5 1600 and 1070 as GPU but you may not find it anymore due to miners. Midrange is mostly sold out.
You'd have to go up to 1080 or down to 1050Ti.

>>61103061
G4560 is a budget CPU on a dead platform that will bottleneck the 1070. Stupid idea.

1x8GB or 2×4GB?

>>61103090
2x4gb

Do i really need 2 frontal fans for my build?
The case (s340) comes with one at the top and one at the back, and the lads at the store said it's gonna be ok, but i'm not sure.
Furthermore, is the CPU cooler direction critically important? i might not be able to fit my ram if the stupid-large msi core frozr fan is on the ram side.

>>61096915
sure is summer

this was a big deal 5-10 years ago and it still is. not all motherboards had solid capacitors.

>>61103081
> Stupid idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2Dbu_EBT0

Looking to upgrade my pc, I've got an amd 860k cpu that I'm pretty positive is bottlenecking my 480 4gb, I have a mini itx case and a psu I'd like to reuse as well what are my options

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We need to rename this general to /BRAP/, build and rate a pc

>>61103169
>reduced settings
>all 4 cores at 100%
>recorded with shadowplay
Yes, stupid idea. If you want't a gaming machine that will be obsolete in 2 years, go on.

How well ryzen 1700 runs on windows 7?

>>61103316
just as well but needs workarounds to work properly, same for kaby-lake

>>61103081
Can Ryzen 5 1600 and a GTX 1070 handle recording at 60fps 1080p and premiere editing with the same output (1080p60)

>>61103287
Why is it acceptable for women to be practically naked in public like this?

>>61102819
I'm not from the US, but rebates are sort of like a devolution of money.
I don't know how that works, but it is there

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>>61096887
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f6pQQV
Can someone check this out and hold my hand for me and tell me if this is okay?

What Ram should I get? Ram's soppose to have an effect on ryzen so I heard

What UPS should I get aswell. Perferrably one thats cheap. I get alot of black outs here and apparently its broken my gpu once and my power supply another.

Also will a CPU fan be neccessary?

>>61103404
Read Brave New World and the Unabomber Manifesto

>>61103404
only in beachnigger places like gayfornia

>>61103422
The Strix is a waste of money. The Prime X370-Pro is only $23 more and a much better board. If you want to go B350, buy the cheaper Prime B350-Plus. Paying nearly as much as an X370 board defeats the object.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4CCZm8

This is the first time I'm building a PC myself, so I'm looking for input from more experienced people.
The PC will mainly be used for 1440p gaming.
I'm not going to OC, so I chose the 1600X over the 1600.
Obviously the CPU cooler is still missing. Logicalincrements says that a very cheap Deepcool Gammaxx400 would work fine for a build like this. Is that correct?

>>61103419
De-evolution? Of money? What?

>>61103366
No idea, do your research but that's the most 800-1000€ will get you.

>>61103144
Direction is important. You don't want it tho blow on the opposite direction. If you mean which side it can be, i don't think so.

>>61103422
Get a cheaper mobo, you won't make use of this one nor the more expensive ones
Just get a 2666MHz kit from a known brand, higher frequency RAM has benefit but you won't see them in gaming with an RX 580. No need for a CPU fan unless you overclock, but why would you even?

WE NEED STANDARDISED COMPONENT COLOURS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SHADES OF BLUE BULLSHIT FUCK YOU

>>61103342
Are these workarounds still usable?

>>61103443
Alright then. Thanks
>61103480
I've got a 8gb ram in my pc right now. Is that still enough? I bought like last year after another power surge/outtage bombed the last one. So i wont bother updraging if I don't need to.
Though I'm wondering with a estimated 330W what UPS should I get? I'm uncertain which is nessecary. (Let me remind you i'm penny-wise)

>>61103491
yes

>>61103366
absolutely yes. maybe even both at the same time.

>>61103443
Silly question If it only says it supports ddr-4 does that mean ddr-3 wont work?

>>61103551
Yes. The sticks are physically different, so you can't even insert DDR3 into a DDR4 slot.

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I have heard that cards with 2 fans it's good to overclock, but i don't want to do that.
There is a advantage to take the 2 fans one?

>>61103523
Thank you anon.

>>61103584
Lower temperatures, less noise. It's not going to matter much on a 1050 Ti though.

>>61103456
Refund i meant
Don't post while driving kids!

>>61103605
The 1050 ti are all the same?
Lower temperature? I think i'm gonna get the 2 fans. It's normal to get 30ºC here. I live in the tropical zone.

>>61103645
Don't forget to configure those fans curves!

>>61103134
Why? I forgot to say I'll only have two memory slots, so I'll have to buy a new set if I ever want 16gb.

>>61103665
This is hard to do?

>>61103450
pick memory from motherboard's QVL: http://asrock.com/mb/amd/AB350M%20Pro4/index.asp#Memory
for a cooler pick Cryorig H7 or be quiet! pure rock.

>Logicalincrements
avoid this site, it became dogshit a long time ago

>>61100468
>Asrock is out because they already EoL'd one of their motherboards only 3 months after launch
Which one?

Are GTX1080s going to get more expensive too?

I was planning on getting a 1070 at first, but they're barely cheaper than 1080s now, so I might as well get a 1080.
I'm going to start building in 3 weeks, so should I buy the GPU now to be safe?

>>61103681
It isn't, at least in Afterburner.
Just check a tutorial or try it yourself.

>>61103404
There's an equally as naked guy right in front of her.

>>61103670
daul channel. A single stick will only run at hald speed. If you're that worried about an upgrade, get a 4 dimm board or just get the 16gb to begin with.

ok /g/ after i did my research this is what im into

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Y88cc

now, do I NEED a cpu cooler? is a 600W PSU ok? Does the case matter?

>>61103942
550w PSU totally good even for overclocking, no you don't need a CPU cooler unless you're overclocking

>>61103942
>do I NEED a cpu cooler?
If you are asking if you need to use a cooler, yes. However, The 1600 is bundled with a pretty decent one.
>is a 600w psu ok?
yeah, more than enough. You can even go 550w and still have headroom. Make sure you get a quality unit though. And that doesn't mean go get a super expensive one either.
>does case matter?
not really, no. As long as it fits everything and has some room for air flow. Nicer cases tailor more towards cable management options, more hardware mounting like hard drive bays, radiator support, etc.

Noctua D15S, stock fan + 140mm Be Quiet Pure Wings
On an R7 1700 3.9GHz@1,38125v (stability test). It hits 70°C during stress test and is very very slowly climbing, is that normal? It's the default Prime95 stress test i'm doing, and x264 encoding when using all 16 threads (which happens a lot for me) heats more than the Prime95 default stress test, so i'm fairly sure there's something wrong with the temperatures right there no?

Want to buy a laptop with only one m.2 spot for storage and it supports nvme.

Are nvme worth it given I can only use one thing as storage? The laptop comes with a m.2 ssd which I'd sell to a friend and buy a 1tb nvme.

>>61104073
70c at full tilt under an overclock is a good thing. Even if it's 80 you are fine.
you could try lowering voltage and /or setting a custom fan curve though.

>>61102475
8GB was a meme since 3-4 years ago.
16GB is a meme today.

>>61104188
But it's a NH-D15s, how the hell is it reaching such high temperature? Isn't that thing among the best when it comes to dissipating heat?

>>61104303
because it's prime 95 and video encoding. You want low temps, overclocking, AND full blast package stress load at the same time? You need water buddy. Or just accept that 80c during an encode is perfectly fine. It won't harm your chip.

>>61096887
is hitachi/hgst a good choice for an internal hdd?

>>61104512
forgot link

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Hitachi-Deskstar-5K3000-2TB-3-5-HDS5C3020ALA632-SATA-600-32MB-5400RPM/172662644642?_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20170511121231%26meid%3D1108cf4ab78143b599f26d0c2d7fc33b%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D311601833366&_trkparms=pageci%253A400c7802-5b36-11e7-9ae5-74dbd1808732%257Cparentrq%253Ae9942f6b15c0ab617439b2c5ffffd775%257Ciid%253A1

>>61104512
>>61104524
yes it's god tier

seagate has a slightly exaggerated bad reputation because they sold damaged goods after a flood (so if you buy the right model it won't be as bad), but HGST still has a way better reliability according to the backblaze statistics. i found an enterprise HGST drive for cheap and it's been great for me so far, the only thing is that it's a bit loud when reading/writing a lot of data but it's not bothersome.

>>61104582
It'll only be used as a tomb for data or backups desu.

>>61102475
get 16gb minimum for a 2017 pc build

Is there anything else I need to check with PSUs other than wattage and build quality. What about compatibility?

>>61104763
is it atx psu with an atx mobo? if yes you're good. the only "compatability" issues I could see are not having enough pcie plugs or sata plugs or something. 90% of people will just be using a single pcie plug and two sata plugs any way.

>>61104793
Does it make a difference if the PSU's ATX and the mobo is micro-ATX? Thanks.

>>61099048
So you really need a 650W PSU? I don't understand these things but you'll end up with less than 350W with your GPU added

>>61104951
roughly speaking, erring on the side of having some headroom left over, 250W for the gpu, 200W for an overclocked cpu, 100W for the rest of the system, and taking into account that the psu will degrade over time, you'd be looking at a 550-650W psu

>>61105105
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tfgr8K
My build here will end up with less than 330W with gpu added. 550W should be perfectly fine right? I heard having a PSU to large ends up drawing more power than it needs/uses

>>61104951
Switching power supplies are most efficient at 30-70% of their rated power.