/pcbg/ PC Building General

>>61078951
I deleted my thread because thread wars are fucking stupid but whoever makes the next please add the fact that Ryzen benefits from high speed RAM

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>>61078951
>The Ryzen lineup comes with exceptionally good stock coolers. Consider using them over any sub 35USD cooler.
False, pic related

This is a good site for you to pick your monitor.
https://www.productchart.com/monitors/

>>61079067
im sorry anon it's the same guy that has been creating the last 4 threads and he's pretty autistic about anything intel
we should try to make him banned because any edit to the current OP and he spergs out, shitting up the threads in the process

>>61079068
stop being autistic

>>61079068
That's 80-90 degrees on overclocked chips, if you're doing overclocking obviously you want a non-stock cooler.

Compare that to the i9 which happily goes up to 100°C under load.

>>61078951
>RX 560 and GTX 1050Ti - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games
GTX 1050 2GB is better and cheaper than the 2GB 560 and way cheaper than the 4GB version for the same performance. The 1050 is a low power card (but fine for 1080p); however 4GB is unnecessary at that tier.

The 1050Ti is in a no man's land in between the GTX 1050 and the RX 570. Its only use is in prebuilts where staying below 75W is important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSURL-eC-SY
Skip to the end for summary

>>61079174
>nvidia is better in nvidia """""""""sponsored""""""" """""games""""""
wow im shocked, mind that no one plays nvidia sponsored games because they are shit

I want to buy a GPU for game-making, 3D modeling and graphics programming. Also going into Machine Learning ultimately. Don't care much about games.

I already have money to buy a 1050ti. Would gathering more money in order to buy the 1060 card be worth it?

>>61079221
Good luck finding any 1060 in stock or not overpriced.

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>The state of the GPU market

>>61079221
Just get the 1050ti. You can resell when the crypto mining meme dies out.

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>>61079254

For that anon from the last thread who didn't know what he was doing and had the $80 GPU and 1800x CPU:


CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor - $239.99

CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler - $96.98

Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard - $86.98

Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-4000 Memory [x2 to fill up all 4 slots with 16GB ram] - $231

Storage: Silicon Power - Silm S55 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive - $61.86

Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive - $289.99

Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW - $739.87

Case: NZXT S340 (Black) (/w Window) - $69.99

Power Supply: be quiet! - 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply - $174.96

Optical Drive: LG - WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer - $49.99

Sound Card: Asus - Xonar DSX 24-bit 192 KHz 7.1 Surround Sound Card - $53.45

>>61079254
NVIDIA GPUS AREN'T EVEN GOOD FOR MINING
DUMB MINERS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Only the dead will find solace from this suffering

>>61079317
they cant get amd so they settled for nvidia

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>>61079277
>Optical Drive: LG - WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer - $49.99
>Sound Card: Asus - Xonar DSX 24-bit 192 KHz 7.1 Surround Sound Card - $53.45
Why?

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>>61079277
He was making a CPU for music production, not gaming you retard. The case choice was because he has limited space. I suggested he try an mATX tower instead of an HTPC case so it could fit his cooler.
You took a decent music production build and made it into a gaming build. Congratulations.

>>61079143
Right, the problem is that people think stock coolers are fine for OC.

>>61079212
>>61079137
Shut up, shithead.

>>61079221
Pretty sure most of that stuff is CPU based these days. In the old days it was GPU accelerated

>>61079277
>GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW - $739.87
God no, that's a 350USD card

>>61079425
>Pretty sure most of that stuff is CPU based these days. In the old days it was GPU accelerated
Uhm, no. It's more GPU based than ever.
Especially machine learning.

>>61079388
Not the anon, but sound cards are still useful for music production and optical drives are still useful for watching DVD/Blu-Ray as well as burning stuff.

>>61079277
idiot

>>61079438
Machine learning, yeah. Didn't see that mentioned

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>>61079068
Nice shitpost you retarded autist. Stock cooler is fine but not meant to push your CPU to it's limit.

Does Ryzen still have performance issues with Nvidia cards? E.g., stuttering

>>61079543
Yes

>>61079425
>>61079444
Yeah, maybe used.

That's the lowest new price on NewEgg that wasn't completely underpowered.

The list can be cheaper, I know, I didn't want to spend that much time on it.

>>61079388
Watching moveis in HD is fun and 7.1 surround sound is cool.

>>61079411
Didn't realize that, I just saw a list and thought it was just some retard. He shouldn't have had a graphics card though. Integrated graphics work better if you are just going to be working.

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>>61079254
>save 12%
A REAL FUCKING BARGAIN.

>>61079543
maybe? i don't recall reviewer mentionning any such things
it happened in ROTR & Rocket League (lower GPU usage), but a ROTR fixed it recently

>>61079543
>>61079557
If I have a Ryzen 1500 and a Gigabyte GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC, will there be any stuttering or bottlenecking?

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>>61079425
why dont you?

>>61079543
no

>>61079592
no

>>61079592
>will there be any stuttering
Yes, with poorly optimized DX12 and almost all DX11 games
>bottlenecking?
Not if you overclock to 3.9GHz

>tfw you got a 980ti for $330
Good thing I didn't fall for the 1070 meme

>>61079810
So, if I switch my settings to DirectX11, will the stuttering disappear?

>>61079904
No.

Switch your settings to DirectX12 you fucking tard.

Repost:
I got a BenQ GL2460HM to pair with my 1060 6gb.
Did I make a shit purchase? It was recommended by an anon here and had good reviews so I grabbed it.

>>61080066
Good purchase. The GL2460HM is one of the few non shit TN monitors for cheap and the 1060 6G is the only alternative below $300 before you drop to 1050Ti right now. Fuck those meme miners.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r74pvV

Did I do a good job on my music production build?

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>>61080180
>Did I do a good job on my music production build?
You did a fantastic job at completely fucking up your build.

Guys i am in a fucking tough and i mean FUCKING TOUGH spot.

I either go R7 1700 + 16GB of 2666 or 2400mhz or ddr4 ram + A GTX 1070

Or...

R7 1700+ 16GB of 3200mhz DDR4+A Gtx 1060.

What to do? I know ryzen loves ram but the jump from a 1060 to a 1070 seems a massive one.

Also whats the absolute cheapest AM4 mobo that isnt a piece of shit?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7GkfLD
How do I make this build exactly $1k, assuming I get the monitor for $90 on craigslist.

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>>61079254
Just fuck my entire world up. It's going to take 2-3 fucking years for MSRPs to settle.

>>61080264
Get a 2666 kit and overclock. As far as motherboards go, the Asrock Pro4 is generally the most recommended b350 motherboard out there.

>>61080264
>R7 1700+ 16GB of 3200mhz DDR4+A Gtx 1060.
Better off with this, upgrading GPUs is less of a hassle.

>>61080264
A GPU jump is double digit performance gains, a RAM boost from 2666 to 3200 is a couple percents at best.

Asus 1070 Strix currently on sale which is nice compared to the other 1070s. $380 with rebate.

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-STRIX-Graphic-STRIX-GTX1070-O8G-GAMING/dp/B01HDUVJ1I/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_lp_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=V0FPE0NQ8ZPCEQFYHGW7

If i buy a 1070 by the time it will become a piece of garbage that cant play games at 1080p/30fps will Sli be fixed and stable so i xam buy a second 1070 or is that technology doomed forever?

>>61080382
>will Sli be fixed and stable
Nope.

>>61080382
SLI will be even worse by then, if that's even possible to imagine. It's abandoned tech, same goes for CrossfireX.

>>61080382
By the time a 1070 is hitting 1080p/30fps the price on the cards will actually increase because they probably aren't being made anymore.

>>61080153
Good to know. Figured if anything I could mount in portrait mode and use it as a second monitor once I upgrade.

>>61080180
Get a B350 board and an SSD
Also you're going to need a cheap video card because Ryzen doesn't have an integrated GPU

>>61080264
Get some 3000MHz that you can run at 2933
If you're at 1080p the 1060 is fine, but prices are fucked up right now

Whats the absolute cheapest case that can fit an ATX mobo and a big gpu with decent air flow?

>>61079575
>He shouldn't have had a graphics card though. Integrated graphics work better if you are just going to be working.
Ryzen HAS NO integrated graphics. If you're going Ryzen, you NEED a GPU.

>>61080446
You know mobos have gpus right

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PSA: For your charitable souls out there, please help your fellow ethereum miners who don't have enough money to buy a rope anymore and just want a quick death.

>>61080435
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g9rcCJ/cooler-master-case-rc912kkn1gp
There's a new HAF case coming too.

>>61079575
>integrated
There aren't any Ryzen APUs out yet, but they are coming. And they'll probably be murder at 4c/8t with really low power draw.

>>61080435
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J0NZ3Q4/?tag=pcpapi-20
I just used pcpartpicker to find if and sorted by price. This actually isn't the cheapest but the other option only had USB 2.0

Here is the other one.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147159&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

>>61080470
There is not a single Ryzen board with integrated graphics. It's the way the market is right now.

>>61080470
You still won't get a signal to monitor if you have a Ryzen CPU when you connect monitor cable to motherboard. The ports are only there for the eventual APUs since AMD loves 4 year plans which is about how long AM4 motherboards are going to last.

>>61080470
>>61080489
AM4 boards will rely on CPU to have graphics.
Current AM4 CPUs do not have any.

>>61080473
HURRY UP ALREADY GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
I WANT MY GPUS
STUTTERY GIMMICKY BUGGY FUTURE PROOF CROSSFIRE HERE I COME

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I just want to make a general post about the state of graphics card prices and the long term, potentially disastrous results on the PC gaming market and to see what you guys think.

PC gaming is already on the fringe of being completely irrelevant to AAA developers if we judge PC sales vs console sales, and if these graphics card prices don't settle within the next few months I believe there will be lasting damage to the custom PC building market, as far as gaming is concerned anyway.

While the mining surge is nice for retailers in the short term, it's not great for AMD and Nvidia as it's unlikely they are directly benefiting from the retailers jacking up the prices over the agreed upon MSRP due to scarcity. As I mentioned, dGPUs are already facing stiffer competition than ever from console gaming. At least AMD has a chunk of that market volume but not sure how profitable it is.

The bottom line is that AMD and Nvidia have an opportunity on their hands to capitalize on miners, but if they fuck this up it could irreparably damage their branding as the market of PC gamers becomes smaller thanks to miners.

>>61080470
AM3+ motherboards and maybe AM3 eventually had integrated graphics to support FX chips but that was years after they were released. The Ryzen display outputs are for planned AM4 APUs. I mean, you could have just googled this instead of us spoonfeeding it to you.

How long will a 1060 6gb be able to run AAA titles on high at 1080p 60 fps?

Sup /g/ I wanna turn my old pc into a home server any tips. Link below for specs.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zrYd7h

>>61080499
Bristol ridge has graphics

>>61080264
>R7 1700+ 2x8GB 3200 CL16 + GTX 1070
This is what you want. The price difference between 3200 CL16 or 3000 CL15 and slower RAM should not be more than $30 at most but it's worth it. You don't need Samsung b-die (3200 CL14) for $200 if that's your concern.

>Also whats the absolute cheapest AM4 mobo that isnt a piece of shit?
Most likely the ASRock Pro4 mATX version, check if it's really the cheapest. If not, what are your options?

>>61080284
This is probably as much saved as possible without compromising quality. If you have to go below that you will have to compromise quality, no way around it.

>>61080412
If the HM is VESA compatible, sure. There's also a different version that comes with an adjustable stand that supports pivot. I got 3 of those, but idk the exact name, it's not printed on the monitor..

>>61080521
I'd say until PS5 releases then it will become obsolete the day after

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>>61080521
>Nvidia x60 GPU
Until Volta comes out lol

>>61080514
pc gaming revenue is higher than console gaming revenue
what is killing pc is how much money is going into it

you know what's being bought so hard?
it's the scratch off tickets where you win character skins, that's where pc gaming's money is

>>61080521
A while, but we have yet to see the result of the PS4 Pro / XB1X on graphics requirements. The card will be pretty damn good as long as titles for standard PS4 XB1 are still getting released

>>61080524
Bristol Ridge is AM3/AM3+
We're talking AM4. No they are not interchangeable.

>>61080284
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HbTMHN

There you go.

Got a G skill Trident Z running at 2133 instead of 3000 for my ryzen 1600. Never tried overclocking ram but im thinking it would be worth to try no?

>>61080555
>Bristol Ridge is AM3/AM3+
It absolutely is not. It's AM4.

>>61080524
AM3 is old socket. AM4 is new socket which is what Ryzen is on.

Is there a chance a 1070 will survive the ps5 and next xbox release if i play in 1080p or will it choke and beg to be put down with every new title of the new generation?

>>61080592
The PS4 Pro performs worse than the 1050Ti in 4K resolution.

The PS5 won't barely be up to par with the GTX 1060 3GB when it comes out.

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Update >>61079216
>>61079239
>>61079329
Well I just put Win7 there but I'm not actually gonna buy it.
Is this better? I want to oc the cpu and I need a cooler that will keep the temperature moderated

>>61080572
Just turn on the XMP profile in the bios. Should basically auto-clock it to 3000Mhz.

>>61080592
The faggots who bought a 970 are now on a 1070. That should tell you something.
Meanwhile the fire retardants on r9 290/290x/390/390x/380/380x are still using their GPUs because of the FineWine meme appropriated by Raja.

>>61080555
>Bristol Ridge is AM3/AM3+
There are no AM3+ APUs. Bristol Ridge is AM4.

>>61080623
No, this is better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HbTMHN

>>61080592
Nobody knows until we know more about the next generation of console hardware. With the PS4 pro having just come out and Xbone X due out later this year, it's safe to say graphics will be pretty fucking stagnant for another 3-4 years.

>>61080630
This is true but the 970 was exceptionally shit for an x70 release.

>>61080623
You're spending a lot of money for a system that only has a 1050ti.

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>>61080623
Remove Windows 7, you can pirate it. Pic related, Ryzen + Windows 7.

What mainboard brand do you guys recommend?
ASUS is shit, my last one died 2 months after waranty ended.
This is my first AMD build so I don't know the market.

>>61080630
All the amd gpus you listed are worse than a 1070 tho (i think). There is nothing from ame that can rival the 1070 for now seeing as vega is releasing with 2 high end cards after fucking years of delays for some fucking reason

>>61080580
None of the AM4 APU's are out yet retard. Check again. It's AM3/AM3+ and was released last year. AM4 was released this year and is an all new platform.
Yes Bristol Ridge is the newest APU they have. No it is not on the AM4 platform. The AM4 APU's would release until late 2017 or early 2018. at the earliest. The Ryzen 5 and 7 series are the ONLY processors on AM4 right now.
>>61080632
It's AM3 you turd.

>>61080682
>All the amd gpus you listed are worse than a 1070 tho
Yeah and the owners have been using them for the past 5 years while the 970 has been left in the dust. They aren't the best but at least they are effective and not permagimped by 3.5 GB. Seems like you missed the point.

>>61080473
Yay, a market correction!

Incoming flood of messed up GPUs!

>>61080716
We knew about 970 being a littlr bit of a scam early.
Whats wrong with the 1070 tho

>>61080479
So a better i7 basically.

>>61080529
>If the HM is VESA compatible, sure.
According to specs it is, these stands are expensive though. Any decent cheap options?

>>61080473
Fucking FINALLY!
Maybe GPUs will actually be in stock soon and prices will stop climbing ridiculously

>>61080703
>It's AM3 you turd.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10705/amd-7th-gen-bristol-ridge-and-am4-analysis-a12-9800-b350-a320-chipset
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excavator_%28microarchitecture%29
I repeat: there are NO apus for AM3/AM3+

>>61080703
>AMD's new Bristol Ridge APU is on the same socket as the fucking Phenom II from 7 years ago
Literally 2 seconds in google you LITERAL retard.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10705/amd-7th-gen-bristol-ridge-and-am4-analysis-a12-9800-b350-a320-chipset

>>61080682
Not at 1080p 60-120fps steady which is what most of those who bought the GPUs are at. The point being they kept the cards instead of buying and selling one every year.
And those who kept the GPUs can easily sell them for higher than what they bought thanks to meme miners and then get a 1070/1080ti after holding on to them for years. Just look at the 290 and 390 prices. For now at least.

What should I be looking for when buying a large (4TB+) hard drive for storage? I already have an SSD for boot and applications.

Seagate or WD? Or something else?

WD blue, green, red, or gold?

>>61080736
Yes, but with really lower CPU usages. I'm looking at those fucking 60 to 80 CPU usages and wondering how AMD has so much fucking headroom while Intel routinely hits 80 to 100 which is bottleneck territory.

>>61080535
>>61080546
>>61080554
Bummer. Hopefully lasts a couple years and then I'll be done with uni and can afford something top of the line, preferably AMD by then.

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>>61080681
Msi has really sharpened up their game with their hardware. Also they somehow managed to actually create somewhat of a lively community if you're into that. Regardless, might come in handy when trouble shooting.

Asrock has improved as well. Going from budget tier into fully embracing the gamer meme coming out with actually decent boards with tons of features.

Gigabyte has always been god-tier.

>>61080775
Look at law of averages for hard drive deaths across all brands.
For long term storage you're mostly going to write files once and then do really heavy reading off those files.
Avoid seagate for anything over 2TB.

Does the EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black actually get hot? It has two huge fans.

>>61080744
>>61080746
They aren't out yet you fucking retards. That's all looking FORWARD at what the processors WILL be.
There ARE NO AM4 APUs AT THE MOMENT

And the point is moot anyways since the upcoming APUs won't have the necessary processing power for what he wants since they'll be low power 4 cores at max.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g9rcCJ/cooler-master-case-rc912kkn1gp

>Have hdd for like 8 years
>change pc soon
>get ready to throw this 1.5tb bad boy into trash
>install hddtune
>health ok and all segments ok on quick scan
Well color me surprised. What do you think /g. Can i use the old gunslinger for maybe 5 more years?

At what speed does ram speed no longer matter on ryzen?

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>>61080731
Nothing, except for EVGA. Fuck EVGA.
What you're looking at in pic related are thermal pads every fucking where because they fucked up the first round of 1070s with the housefire meme.

>>61080819
probably. either that or they will run at full speed and be annoying

The PSU of my office pc exploded, my ear still hurts but no ringing.
The rest of the hardware it 8 years old and a new chink mini itx psu cost 50€. For 100 i get a equal pc from ebay.

Should I buy a toaster from ebay for 100€ or should i build my own toaster and spend 400€ on it but will have 500% more power and i actually can play some games on it.

>>61079068
For future builders, don't listen to this fag.
The stock cooler is good.
Most people seem to be able to get 3.8 ghz at under 80 degrees on the stock cooler.

>>61080828
Yes, use it for storage and an SSD for OS. I have a working maxtor from a long time ago. I treat it very tenderly in a cool environment.

>>61080852
I would think that those two fans would help it ventilate.

>>61080822
http://products.amd.com/en-gb/search/APU/AMD-A-Series-Processors/AMD-A12-Series-APU-for-Desktops/7th-Gen-A12-9800-APU/201
Once again, you're completely wrong you fucking retard.

>>61080841
3000Mhz is the sweetspot.
Also prepare to see even higher freq RAM in the future.

test

>>61080867
so, should i buy a gpu cooling system if i were to buy this card

>>61080862
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#k=33

I repeat. They are not available yet.
Fuck off

>>61080894
>Fuck off
why is everyone on this general so angry

why do most builds not use ECC ram? my current computer has it and i got used to the extra stability. but almost nobody here uses it.
why is that?

>>61080894
They were available in OEM boxes like last year you stupid douche. Stop trying to change the point, they're not AM3 lmao. No APUs were AM3, they were FM2 or FM2+ anyway.

Fucking newfags I swear.

What should I change for this build:

Pentium g460
gigabyte GA-B250M motherboard
8gb DDR4 ram
250gb ssd
1tb hdd
zotac geforce gtx 1050ti

should I go for the 1060 instead?

>>61080862
>>61080877
>Launch Date: 9/5/2017
He's right you fucking retards. They're not out yet
>>61080911
because some people are literally retarded and can't accept that they're wrong.

>>61079810
So, assuming I can find one, an AMD card will probably fare better with the Ryzen 1500X than a similarly powered Nvidia card on pretty much all cases?
Or can I go with Nvidia without any problems assuming I overclock?

>>61080913
>budget: $4500
Well holy shit buddy you could...
>Canada
I mean, maybe you could buy a tube of thermal paste?

>>61080894
Released September of last year, mate. Been available to OEMs ever since.

>>61080929
>>Budget: $4500, Canada
>>Software/Games:
- Games: Stellaris, EUIV, FTL, on rare occasion something like Deux Ex, Have an Occulus, would like to play DiRT or other laidback games.
- Software: Sketchup, Adobe Creative Suite, PLEX to stream tv shows to my phone/chromecast, 2-4 instances of MPC playing porn ranging from 720 - 4k quality
>>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate.
Two LG ULTRA IPS LED monitors, 3840x2160/60hz
>>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
looking for a near silent build. my current pc was built by puget system and it is whisper quiet
basically looking for something to do drafting on, some design work, streaming/transcoding, running some games (not AAA FPS style games), and to watch porn on.

>>61080924
>because some people are literally retarded and can't accept that they're wrong.
oh ok

>>61080861
Is that 80*C including or excluding the 20* offset?

>>61080927
AMD cards will last you longer. Nvidia cards may perform better, but it won't last. Nvidia gimps their drivers so you have to replace every 2 years just to get usable performance.

>>61080922
If you are budgeted that much and have no more money to spend, hell no.

If you still got a little bit, go for the 3GB 1060.

>>61080792
Wow, the page for that motherboard is still up.
http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-K8NSC-939-rev-1x#ov
>AGP 8x (AGP 3.0) the new generation VGA interface specification, this platform delivers enhanced graphics performance with high bandwidth up to 2.12GB/s
It's a good read.

>>61080924
It's 2016, not 2017, you illiterate piece of shit. Just kill yourself if you're incapable of admiyting to being wrong.

>>61080942
>2-4 instances of MPC playing porn ranging from 720 - 4k quality
You're going to need Ryzen.

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>>61080955
>Nvidia gimps their drivers so you have to replace every 1.5 years
fixed
I hope you collected your money from the lawsuite with the 970s

>>61080935
but they aren't out to the public yet so kindly fuck off.

>>61080988
are the OEMs doing lewd things to the APUs

Is bottlenecking bad for your pc parts or is jut a thing that exists and thats it?
I plan on getting a r7 1700 but i will not oc it(no money for decent cooler) + a 1070 for 1080p 60fps gaming. Will my 1070 be "bottlenecked"?

>>61080922
edit: I meant the g4560

>>61080985
>never bought an nvidia car
>wut lawsuit
>look it up
>nvidia settled a class action lawsuit on the 970s
kek. Why would anyone openly support such a shit company?

>>61081006
Nope, it just means that one specific component of your pc is holding back the rest.

Even a stock R7 1700 will be able to 100% utilize your 1070.

>>61080988
https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-510-p127c-Desktop-Refurbished/dp/B01N4GCOLL

If I buy the EVGA 1080Ti SC Black, will it get really hot? I know someone told me either it'll get hot, or the fans will get annoying. Do the fans even work?

Is the card even worth buying?

>>61081000
Very lewd.

>>61081019
Because some of their cards are fucking great.From the recent ones The 560ti the 750ti and the 1070 are fucking amazing

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>>61081019
because bideogamu onii chan

>>61080955
I hear that a lot, but I take that with a small grain of salt, even though the lawsuit is quickly making me change my mind.
Since the longevity of my build is something I'd value, I'll keep it in mind. Besides, the Rx 470 4gb falls right within my budget, being only a tad more expensive than the 1050Ti's where I live, and faster from the benchmarks.
But I more wanted to know if the Ryzen is really bitchy with Nvidia cards. I assume it's a bit.

what the fukk is 6G sata
I just spent 30 minutes trying to jam a sata cable into the port behind my graphics card until I started crying and then I took out the graphics card and the port did not even look like sata

>>61081072
>I assume it's a bit.
There were driver problems since Nvidia didn't optimize for Ryzen early on. It should be better now.

>>61081088
>jam a sata cable into the port behind my graphics card
>sata cable
>graphics card
You're a big, big, big idiot. The only thing a GPU needs is the PCI-E slot and whatever PSU cables it needs.

>>61081032
>prebuilt
Next

>>61081100
no anon the retards at asus decided to place the sata ports in a really inaccessible location halfway behind the graphics card

>>61081060
>The 560ti the 750ti
Those ones aren't even usable anymore due to their fucked up drivers.

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>>61081088
Probably a U.2 connector. Its pretty much the successor of normal SATA.

>>61081100
Turn your GPU into a RamDisk today!
Faster than a SSD

>>61080523
Anybody?

>>61081121
GPUs do not use SATA. Hard drives and SSDs use SATA.

>>61081124
750ti owner here still going strong(for what the card can do)

>>61081109
>muh goalpost
It's out, it's available, it's on AM4 socket. Now go fuck yourself with a rake.

>>61081129
Is this actually possible? Using the VRAM in a GPU as a ramdisk.

>>61081091
Ah I see.
I'll keep an eye out for good deals, then and see if I can grab a 1070 for a half-decent price. Probably not, but hey, a man can dream. Thanks, anon.

>>61081141
how fucked up are your drivers?
Those things have worse performance nowadays than a GT 1030

>>61081151
It's not out and available for consumers to buy on their own, therefore, it is not out yet. Fuck off tard

>>61081157
Which is why you don't upgrade your drivers for old Nvidia GPUs, you use the last best driver available.

>>61081177
You can buy it, therefore it's out. Kill yourself faggot.

>>61081153
I don't think anyone's done it, but it's possible

I made a list with 2 EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW3s via SLI.

Now that I know about EVGA house fires, I am going to prevent my whole neighborhood from turning to ash.

>>61081127
kind of like the one in the middle

>>61081177
It's out for OEMs and those OEMs buy the same motherboards as you do, hence the need to have GPU ports on the motherboards NOW and not when the APUs become available in retail.

Any last advice before I start buying parts tomorrow?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/w24cLD

Wont be buying the GPU until shit calms down

Seasonic rebrands still the way to go? my microcenter only has EVGA PSUs not sure if theyre any good

>>61081388
Evga's (high-end) PSUs are made by SuperFlower and are generally just as good as ones made by Seasonic.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZPJd6

any ideas on how to cut down price a little more without sacrificing performance

>>61081334
You better have an old GPU to use because Ryzen does not come with integrated graphics, which two fire retardants ITT have been arguing about.

>>61081412
The PSU is overkill and will end up operating at worse efficiency due to not getting even close to 50% load. A 400W PSU would suit your needs better unless you're planning to get something significantly more power hungry soon-ish(if you're not planning to upgrade, you could drop it even further). Likewise, you could drop to 80+ BRONZE certified PSU to save a bit of money

>>61081253
>those OEMs buy the same motherboards as you do
No they don't tard. They use proprietary motherboards made FOR them by Foxconn.

>>61081524
They don't? I'm sorry for spreading bullshit, then.

>>61081334
Better PSU, Seasonic G 550W for example.

>>61081412
There you go: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8R6QQV

>>61081540
>>61081504
thanks

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SteelSeries QcK+ any good or not?

>>61081539
OEMs lean towards making their own motherboards for their prebuilts. The worst among them is HP, HP is simply cancer with how locked down they make everything in BIOS.

>>61081539
The only OEMs that use the same motherboards as consumers are the boutique OEMs like iBuyPower, CyberpowerPC, and Falcon Northwest.
Alienware, despite being a boutique OEM, tends to use proprietary motherboards from what I've found.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/trC8cc

That's my rig.

I won't need to upgrade for years.

Any critiques?

(None of that "WHAT? WHY WOULD YOU SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY?" bullshit either, I have saved enough to buy this whole thing in full, critique the part selection if there are any critiques that need to be made.

>>61081575
I have a regular QcK I got cheap (the equivalent of 7.5 USD), I like it. My only complaint is that they came rolled up and the left edge still curls very slightly upwards due to this.
In addition, the logo has worn slightly, but it doesn't matter. You don't feel it.

>>61081412
Your case costs almost as much as your CPU...

>>61081644
it'll be outdated in a year, give or take

So I just built a PC, but I'm wondering is it possible to put Mac OS on it, instead of Windows?

>>61081644
>all this balls to the wall hardware
>60Hz Monitor

lol

>>61081644
>spends $7k on a computer
>80+ gold rated PSU
If you're going to spend that much money, you might as well get Seasonic PRIME titanium or equivalent. And what the fuck are you using the computer for where having a 7700k with 64GB of RAM is a sensible option as opposed to getting a 1800x or an i9?

>>61081708
Yes, but that's retarded

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>>61081742
>or an i9

>>61081750
it also sounds like a pain in the ass.

>>61081644
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/trC8cc
You dumbass, that is in no way futureproof. 1800X or get out.
And get a better PSU. All that money and the PSU is like a manlet.

>>61081708
Yes, it's called a hackintosh, and it only works best with the right hardware.

>>61081750
not really, it's better than Shitdows 10

>>61081805
>what is linux

>>61081708
Mac OS is EXTREMELY picky about parts. If the parts you selected aren't on any known list of workable parts for Mac, it likely won't work. The only computers Mac is guaranteed to work on is Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAoOAa_izh0

Hackintosh is the collective name for home-built PC's running a Macintosh OS.

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>>61081826
>linux

>>61081805
Just use windows 7 like everyone else.

>>61081826
I'd use linux, if it had more support
can't run any games on it, and some programs don't even have ports for it

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>>61081644
>64 jiggabytes of ram
>7770k
cmon man

>>61079439
Nobody uses soundcards, especially 50$ ones for production. External USB interfaces are simply better in every way.

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rate my part list.

Any suggestions for fan curves? 1080 SC and i7-7700K

>>61082059
wut monitor?

>>61082059
Terrible.

At least get a 1070 in order to reach 144fps.

Other than that get ryzen.
I'm assuming you're aiming to game at a high framerate since the 7700K. As i said if you're aiming for anything other than gaming at 144Hz, get ryzen.

EVGA CLC 280 or Deepcool Captain 240 EX? Assuming I like both aesthetically.

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Can someone give me a quick rundown on RAM with Ryzen? What speed and timings to buy? Also any particular brands to buy?

>>61082100
would you go ECC?

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Planning on ordering the parts in the morning, how is my build?

I'm planning on using this for 1080p gaming, AutoCAD work and Revit modelling.

Is there anything I should replace/remove?

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Rate my part list. Monitor: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NNKTC/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I37DAHYLBD41VP&colid=11ZECHX3QRQPE

Games I play: Skyrim, Yu-Gi-Oh: Legacy of the Duelist, Tales of Maj'Eyal, Final Fantasy XIII

>>61082066
whatever I already have... I'm basically trying to replace a comp I broke half a year ago while trying to fix it.

>>61082091
The 1060 is a placeholder until I have enough money to up it. If a Ryzen is seriously better than whatever CPU I listed, then what specific model should I get?

>>61082164
r5 1600

>>61078951
is there any software to test psu stability/usage?

>>61081575
It's pretty fucking good. You'll never want to use a smaller mousepad again.

>>61082179
Thank you much.

>>61081644
You must be joking, or just stupid

>>61082140
1070 to play Skyrim? No

>>61082122
Very bad choice of CPU. You want either the 1500X or the 1600 with a cooler.

>>61082115
Isn't ECC DDR4 even more overpriced?

any idea how long until amd epyc hardware is available for purchase?

>>61081088
Take the graphics card out, fucking retard. That's the last thing that goes in.

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Should I just get the MSI GTX 1080 x for 200 bucks more?

>>61082164
>whatever I already have...
Than it's a shit build. The i7 7700k is only ONLY recommended if you're aiming for 144 FPS in everything.
Go for an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 CPU with a B350 motherboard.
Note that Ryzen does not have an integrated CPU so a GPU is mandatory.

>>61082193
Why the 1600 over the 7600k? From what I've been seeing the 7600k beats out the 1600 in fps every single time?

>>61082193
>1070 to play Skyrim? No
Why not? I have $1.5k to spend.

Battlefield 1 the 7700k at 5ghz than a 1800x at 4ghz.

This game engine can use dozens of threads.

Even with 16 full threads in use, the 1800x cannot compete with the 7700k.

So, quite literally it takes double the cores for AMD to match Intel.

If you take a core for core comparison, like the Ryzen 1400 at 4ghz vs 7700k at 5ghz, the 7700k is roughly 40%+ faster in most titles.

Ryzen matches an overclocked Sandy Bridge in gaming.

>>61082203
Asus 1070 Strix is on sale for same price as your mini on Amazon if you have prime. Also has $20 rebate so it's down to $380.

>>61082226
Almost identical performance while being over $100 cheaper. And optimization for Ryzen hasn't arrived yet. Once optimization arrives, the i7 will be obsolete. The gap in performance isn't all that huge. At worst, the 1600 is 9% worse at single threaded performance.
And all the benchmarks you've seenwere with Ryzen's SMT enabled. SMT is AMD's version of hyperthreading and it's MUCH more efficient than Intel's. 12 SMT threads is like 13.8 Intel Hyper-threads.
That aside, if you go into the UEFI/Bios and disable the SMT on Ryzen chips, it will actually match Intel chips in performance during gaming.

>>61082209
is anything less than i7 7700k + nvidia 1070 viable for 1080p 144hz or nah

>>61082233
Well I take that back. Looks like it was bought up.

I can get a used R9 290 with a water block for $200, should I jump on it? Seller says it was only used for 6 months in a gaming PC, not cryptomining or anything like that.

I have an FX-8350 and 1050Ti right now. Is it worth the cost as an upgrade? I would sell the 1050Ti to reduce the upgrade cost.

>>61082233
Lol also it my forst build and I'm still learning but can the parts that I have run the 1080?

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>>61082229
optimization hasn't arrived yet you dipshit.
Ryzen has a unique architecture that has to be accounted for since it's 2 4 core CPUs linked together with the infinity fabric (which is fucking genius btw).
That infinity fabric is what will propel AMD into the future. Once they get the 7nm processors going, Intel literally won't be able to compete, and AMD plans to do the same thing with their graphics cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMlSzts8fGQ

>>61082266
>Almost identical performance while being over $100 cheaper. And optimization for Ryzen hasn't arrived yet.
Oh, it's always about saving a pretty penny. Remember when we all said FX was going to get optimization? Hahahaha, good times!
>Once optimization arrives, the i7 will be obsolete. The gap in performance isn't all that huge. At worst, the 1600 is 9% worse at single threaded performance.
Yes, let's just give the middle finger to all the i7 owners who had no other high end CPU options throughout Intel's reign. You know retarded that would be from a business standpoint???
>And all the benchmarks you've seenwere with Ryzen's SMT enabled. SMT is AMD's version of hyperthreading and it's MUCH more efficient than Intel's. 12 SMT threads is like 13.8 Intel Hyper-threads.
That aside, if you go into the UEFI/Bios and disable the SMT on Ryzen chips, it will actually match Intel chips in performance during gaming.
Literally no evidence of of this.

>>61082308
upgrade is worth it, but you need that 1050Ti since Ryzen doesn't have an iGPU.

>>61082324
>intel shills grasping at straws

>>61082311
Yes.

>>61082325

The R9 290 is a graphics card...

>>61082359
but unless you do a custom water loop, you want the original air cooler

>>61082308
What's your PSU, does it have two 6+2 cables?

>>61082378
wtf

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>>61082378

The cooler on this card is a closed loop. Pic semi-related. Same set up and type of card, not the exact one.

>>61081644
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VbMCQV
better list IMO.
-Sound card is retarded and useless. If you're an actual audiophile an external DAC and amp would be better suited. If you don't already know about those, you don't care enough about audio to warrant a sound card. \
-I went black/white with the colors instead. All black will look rather lifeless. If you are spending this much money on useless crap, you may as well make it an art piece. The Silent Wings fan logos shouldn't clash too much I don't think.
- 1440p @ 144hz looks better than 4k @ 60hz.
-Keep in mind a lot of games don't scale well with SLI, Don't scale at all, and/or have horrible micro-stuttering, ruining your game experience. This isn't a matter of money well spent or not here, this is a matter of "do you want your shit to work out of the box, the first time?" Also second gpu generates a lot more heat and consumes more power so keep that in mind.

Which motherboard should I go for with a Ryzen 1600 and a GTX 1060 6gb?

>>61082412
ah, an aio card. yea, that would be fine. Do the upgrade then.
That said, I would keep the old 8350 around, give it an R9 270, and then install windows xp for a fast retro gaming rig. Those are the newest and fastest parts capable of running XP. The R9270 was the last card to get Windows XP drivers.

>>61082411

I'd have to double-check my PSU, I don't have an order receipt I can easily check because I bought it in-store at MicroCenter. Pretty sure it's 600w 80+ with the necessary cables. If not I know it at least has one and I could grab an adapter.

>>61082446
Insert company here PRO GAMING RGB

>>61082447
or you could just keep the parts as backups. I wish I had a backup GPU right now, given that I have a Polaris card and the mining craze is in full swing. Scouring craigslist and whatnot for something at least GTX 960ish performance to hold me over until vega.

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>>61082229
>7700K
>5GHz
Nice housefire, inb4 logical core failure.

>Even with 16 full threads in use, the 1800x cannot compete with the 7700k.
Then how come all benchmarks show that it does compete?

>If you take a core for core comparison, like the Ryzen 1400 at 4ghz vs 7700k at 5ghz, the 7700k is roughly 40%+ faster in most titles.
>he needs to compare his Jewtel(R) Delid Lake(TM) to a $150 budget CPU to justify his purchase
TOPKEK

>Ryzen matches an overclocked Sandy Bridge in gaming.
R7 is on par with i7 and R5 is on par with i5. You lose like 5% @1080p while 1440p is roughly equal.

>i need muh 5fps more for muh gaymen but get shit on at everything else
Suit yourself. After all it's your dads money you're spending.

>>61082465
Keep in mind that card has a 275W TDP vs 75W from your current card and your CPU has a 125W TDP

>>61082446
These are the most popular good choices:
Asrock AB350M Pro 4
Asrock AB350 Pro 4
MSI B350M Gaming Pro
MSI B350M Mortar
MSI B350 PC Mate
MSI B350M Mortar Arctic
MSI B350 Tomahawk
MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic
Asus Prime B350-Plus
Asus B350-F Strix
Gigabyte GA-AB350M Gaming 3
Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3
MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon
MSI B350 Krait Gaming
Asrock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4
Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming

Those are all B350 boards which support overclocking and crossfire. If you eventually want to play with nvidia's SLI setup, you need an X370 motherboard.

>>61082198
i hope not

>>61082516

So that's 400W, I don't have a whole lot else in the build. The RAM obviously, one SATA SSD, and two HDDs, neither should really be active while gaming, a couple of case fans.

I'm getting real frustrated with the Ryzen ram QVL. Super fucking tedious and every ram+mobo bundle is not listed as compatible.

Recommend me a 1440 144hz monitor

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/78fd7h

>>61082694
Your power supply is shit. get a Seasonic. IIRC, Seasonic has a fully modular 520W with black cables for like $42.
That said, the price on that 1060 3GB GPU is insane. If you can hold off, I'd wait a bit on the GPU market for prices to return to normal

>all those out of stock and over priced gpus
am I screwed guys? I'm looking for a PC that plays 1080P 60FPS and christ seeing all those expensive, outdated graphics cards make me lose hope.

Should I get a Sapphire nitro rx 580 (8gb) for $450 cad? It would be on a couple weeks back order..

How do you guys buy your parts? Do you wait until each individual part is at its cheapest (or is at a relatively cheaper price), or buy all at once?

>>61082847
Cheap is best. Or buy all at once when you get the feeling prices are going to get jacked up.

>>61082659
xf270hu

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/s4hPxr/great-amd-gaming-build

Can I replace the GPU with a 1080? If so, which one?

>>61083133
any gpu that isnt evga or asus

>>61083163
why?

If/when the mining bubble bursts, would there be any reason to buy one of those poor cards that toiled in the mines?

Wouldn't mind a super cheap rx580 as backup to my 1060.

>>61083133
Sure thing. Really most will do, really comes down to what you want from it, like noise/temp, pure performance, price/perf, etc.

>>61083163
>any gpu that isnt evga or asus
EVGA ACX is the only 1080 to not buy, iCX is fine though. Asus makes good GPUs, expensive, but good.

>>61079375
Why are cards so overpriced on Amazon? They are so much cheaper on Newegg.

Should I get a 1440p monitor, or fall for the 4K meme?

>>61083209
Shit, I'm not exactly the most knowledgeable person when it comes to 1080s, let alone GPUs, but I like have reduced noise/temp. Also, would all the 1080 GPUs fit in the case of that build?

>>61083238
>fall for the 4K meme
Don't.

Should I watercool my 1070

>>61083171
because they are shit

>>61083246
>but I like have reduced noise/temp
"Good" temps for air cooled 1080's will peak around 70°C under load and most if not all brands are fairly equal in that regard.
Now, fan noise is a different story. If you want a rather quiet card stay away from reference (Founders Edition) cards and Zotac, those are jet engines.
For "quiet" cards you should look at MSI Gaming X, Palit JetStream and Gainward Phoenix, those are usually on the quiet side, maybe EVGA iCX, read some reviews.
Anyways, quiet does NOT mean silent. You will always hear your GPU with fans >50% under (full) load, it's just that some cards produce less noise than others.
>would all the 1080 GPUs fit in the case of that build?
Should fit but check it regardless.

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Does this seem good?

>>61083350
The 1600X doesn't need a $100 AIO to stay quiet. All Zen CPUs have a 4.1GHz ceiling anyway which can not be overcome with AIO cooling anyway. Get that Scythe cooler that looks like a bunch of shurikens and costs $40.

>>61083350
aside from being ripped off on the video card, yes. 1060 6GB's shouldn't cost more than $230-250

>>61083293
no. If the temps are unacceptable, maybe slap on an Artic Accellero or something, but you'll spend more money watercooling the thing than it's msrp.

>>61083337
is the EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card
good?

>>61083578
>i just copy and pasted a newegg product page title

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What's up with pic related? They're dirt cheap on Amazon. Also are the regular and PRO EVOs that much different? I'm thinking on upgrading my 2013 laptop

>>61083578
>evga
no

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Should I buy this used 1070 windforce?

>>61083350
this >>61083390

>>61083804
its cheap because its shit like everything else WD does

>>61083804
>3 year warranty
People found out they're trash and they can't sell them anymore.

>>61083813
price too high. It's used. $300 tops. MAYYYBE 325 if you're desperate.

>>61083813
>used
probably not, its risky to buy used electronics

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>>61083851
>he doesn't buy used servers

>>61083850
>>61083851
Fuck. Can you recommend me a good <$550 1080 GTX instead?

>>61083872
doesnt exist, miners fucked that up

>>61083880
when will the market be back to normal? 3 months? i can't even find a good 1070

>>61083897
when etherium crashes or mining asics for etherium get made

>>61083872
all the cards are the same really besides Open Vs closed shroud.
Open shroud = blows heat off the card around your case. Relies on case fans to vent that air out. Better temps, cooler operation. Not great for tiny form factor.
Closed shroud = pumps all the heat out the back of the video card. Hot and loud but works well in small form factor.
Now fuck off and do your own shopping.

>>61083915
im thinking of getting the EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card

why is evga considered bad on /g/?

okay guys i need help, i am trying to build a pc and i need a graphics card but all this shit is fucked with this mining bubble that i cannot find ANYTHING except for 1050ti's and lower. Should I buy a 1050 or wait?

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i found a guy thats selling:
asrock taichi x370
r5 1600
8gb 3200mhz
for 420 bucks, should I go for it? I have an 8350 as of now

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Hey /g. jsut bought a new pc,put it together and it was all working properly, except the PSU which was making some mad noises however this has stopped now.

the new problem is that earleir it was running game on ultra and very high on 60+ frames such as CS:GO, ARMA2. or BL2 - the presequal.
now its struggling to run ARMA2 on the same settings at 20-30 frames
i dont understand whats happened here any possibilities or ideas?

>>61083948
You generally do not want Video cards that double as heaters.

>>61084026
Please /g i really need some help here

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Lets see the hate. Through shipping issues and other complications it led me to buy the corsair headset/mouse because i got them cheaper and I just stuck with the theme and that way I don't have to deal with multiple programs for shit.

NEW THREAD
>>61084167
>>61084167
>>61084167

move when needed

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ITIY01O/?tag=pcpapi-20

>gtx 1080
>$499.99

is this a meme?

>>61084060
buy a better PSU faggot
and check your CPU usage, chances are it's windows eating up your shit

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTyWsJ
Anything I should change on here to improve performance?

>>61084013
do it

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>>61084182
Yes.
The meme is called mining.

>>61082164
7700k is the best for gaming
if you're looking to stream, video edit, 3d model, get a ryzen

>just want to sell my 290 while there's demand
>got greedy and rejected $250 offers, thinking I could get $300
>just realized that even Nvidia cards are expensive now too
guess I'll just keep my 290. either way I'll be paying a premium, so there's not much of a reason to sell right now

I was gathering money for a few months so that I could buy a GPU at once (no credit card). I just gathered enough, and the GPU market somehow exploded into this crypto currency meme.

Prices are still within my reach, but I'd have to squeeze my pockets a little and that would be uncomfortable, but would it be better for me to wait so that the crypto meme dies and prices fall?

I have no rush to buy a new GPU. My worry is that this crypto meme ruins prices for too long a time. I'd like to buy them preferably before my birthday in September.

Would it be better to squeeze my pockets a little now or wait/hope for decrease in the demand for GPUs, taking in mind that I have no hurry?

When I play games my new build turns it's self off. I have been able to make it happen within 5 seconds of gameplay starting repeatedly in Darksiders if I enlarge the window to the full size of my monitor. But if I leave it windowed and not resized I can play for hours.

I've run prime95 tests, furmark tests and done a memory check.

I've replaced the CPU, the graphics card, the RAM, the PSU and the mother board.

I am completely and utterly out of ideas here. Does any one have any clue why this might be happening? The cut off point is random and can take any where from 1 minute to 2 hours while in game. It used to crash during furmark but updating motherboard BIOS stopped that happening.

What could I possibly have left to change at this point? Short of buying a new PSU with a higher voltage (on 650) I'm entirely out of ideas.

>>61084657
>Would it be better to squeeze my pockets a little now or wait/hope for decrease in the demand for GPUs, taking in mind that I have no hurry?
if you're not in a rush and are currently barely able to afford one, why would you buy now?

>wait a few weeks/months
>save up some more money
>see if prices fall
>if they do, good. if not, you can afford it

prices will fall once they realize that spending $500 per rx480 just to make $5 a day isn't worth it, especially when your room is constantly 90F

>>61082807
Buy used, got a 980ti hybrid for $330

>>61082098
p-p-please respond