/pcbg/ PC building General: Never Obsolete Edition

>>61071677
>no Skylake-X for forging/blacksmithing purposes

>>61071677
worth adding that with ryzen it's a good idea to buy faster (~3000mhz) ram.

also why no 7700k in the op? it's still a viable option for people who want to push max fps on 1080p.

>>61071712
>This post brought to you by Nvidia Fermi™

>>61071750
Had to trim the fat off the post due to character count.

So I just copied the last OP and squeezed in the RAM notice.

need help building a 4 cheapo editing rigs for heavy illustrator and photoshop work ( imagine 20 500mb PSDs open at the same time .. yeah ..) along with light after effect / premiere work
around 650euro for each rig would be nice , no used parts since taking a lease

>>61071786
How good do your GPUs need to be?

You could save by getting intel CPU since they come with iGPU and save on the cost of GPU in this absolutely fucking retarded climate.

Otherwise just get Ryzen, a lot of RAM and a GPU.

>>61071764
I don't know about your place but here in eastern eu the price difference between the 1400 and the 1500x is so low that the former is not really an option. Maybe leave out that line in the future.

>>61071786
>imagine 20 500mb PSDs open at the same time
Ryzen, 1600
+ 16GB 3000Mhz RAM
+ 1050ti
+ SSD as a scratch disk and OS, HDD for storage

>>61071824
If I get to be the OP i will keep that in mind and rewrite some parts. I think some parts are obsolete anyway.

>>61071805
the more cuda cores and vram the better

>>61071840
Good luck keeping it below 650 in this GPU climate.

>>61071840
It's only photoshop, don't need to overload on the cuda cores
even older gen nvidia like maxwell would do, so cheap 3.5 970s for $100 would werk

Anyone willing to estimate Vega pricing?

>>61071900
Take 1070 price and shave off 10 dollars

>>61071900
>>61071907
Hahahahaha.
400 dollars on release.
600 dollars when everyone buys it to scalp and mine with.

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>>61071836
exactly 650euro
i5 7600k is the same price as the ryzen 1600 and i can save 100euro on the motherboard and get the 1050ti, worth it?

>>61071952
looks good but,
make sure the RAM is compatible with the motherboard
and where is your PC case

>>61071965
i'll just use the old dell cases and hard drives i was even thinking of using the gt740 from them

I found a GTX 980 for 190€ ($210), sounds like a good deal?

I wanted a RX 570 or RX 580 instead but those are impossible to find.

>>61072006
Those are a pain in the ass and can easily cut you because they're cheap chinese metal.

How come logicalincrements isn't listed any more in the OP? Sure it's not perfect, but it's a good starting point and can help fresh noobs understand a bit.
Also, does The Falcon still lurk /post here?

Is it worth waiting for Ryzen b2 stepping? I have a 1700 on the way so there's still a chance to send it back and wait.

>>61072149
>but it's a good starting point and can help fresh noobs understand a bit.
No. The builds are shit across the board. And don't get me started on builds outside of US. In fact, most their hardware recommendations are complete trash nowadays.
>Also, does The Falcon still lurk /post here?
Not in this thread but i've seen him on the board some time. That guy really threw away something amazing, it's a shame.

>>61072033
gtx 980 is on par with gtx1060

>>61071952
Ryzen 5 is a much better investment than i5 right now. 4c/4t is going to become the low-end alternative very soon.

As for RAM I strongly suggest getting at least 2666 as Ryzen scales very well with RAM speed. More specifically the speed at which logical cores within the Ryzen architecture communicate is pegged to MT/S. Higher MT/S (even with poor CAS) will result in lower inter-core latency, providing a sizable performance increase.

Oh, and like >>61071965 said. Make sure whatever RAM kit (should be 2x*) is in the QVL of the motherboard or vice versa.

>>61071677
>>AMD GPUs are suffering a lack of stock
no kidding, I can't find one in stock fucking anywhere
is there any indication as to when this'll end or should I just order an out of stock one now and wait for them to come in in like a month, hoping to have a place on the 'pre-order' queue?

>>61072299
Restock end of June. If you can preorder it or else wait for Vega.

>>61072299
The reason they're out of stock is a new crypto currency just shot up in price, and everyone and their mother wants a piece of that $1 a day mining. Last time this happened (BitCoin) it took about 6 months before ASICs came to market. So expect in stock and reasonable prices around black friday. Even if you can find one in stock, it'll probably be 2x it's normal price.

What size power supply is good for a total wattage of 429W?

>>61072377
Anything bigger than 429. Probably a 550.

>>61072399
Thanks.

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Can someone tell me something about the value of silent cases?
I want build my hardware into a full tower, been looking at the "Cougar Panzer Max" case, or the "Corsair Graphite 780T"; probably the latter.

But now I've been looking into silent cases with dampening. My question, are they worth it? I run my PC/GPUs at 100% 24/7 and live in a small student apartment, so PC in sleeping room. Do they provide the kind of airflow necessary, and does the dampening actually help?
Any input appreciated

What does /pcbg/ think of pcspecialist?

>>61072399
Look at the efficiency curve. At 230VAC PSUs are generally speaking the most efficient at around 50-70% load, for 115VAC (most of north America) it's usually 10% lower. Of course you're not going to be pulling 430W all the time, probably quite a bit less.

550W will do the trick, but 650W would be more efficient if you plan on using it a lot. Not to mention giving yourself some headroom for future upgrades.

>>61072536
The 429 is maximum, not what the system will generally be drawing in normal use.

>>61072536
Yeah sorry for not saying that in my original post, 429 is just the maximum like >>61072609 said.

>>61072513
Iit's quite frequently exaggerated by marketing and autists. Like silencers in movies and TV series.

That being said, there is an audible difference. In my experience it's good at muffling the sound. Giving it a more uniform spectrum. And of course lower it over all as well.

As for airflow, it is going to be impaired. There's no way around that. Though there's a huge amount of variation between chassis. Some are absolutely terrible while others are decent. A general rule of thumb here is that the fancy looking chassis are generally worse, they've sacrificed functionality for aesthetics (phantek enthoo).

If you have a big enough cooler, you don't run some crazy overclock and don't live in a desert without AC a good silent chassi is going to work very well for most people.

My recommendation would be Fractal Design's R5 or S. R5 if you need more than 2 drives and/or a 5.25" device. For almost everything else Define S is better. If size is a concern consider the Define C.

>>61072513
>My question, are they worth it?
The help with the noise, yes. Not super much, but they do. And they don't have to be expensive, check out corsair 100r silent edition. Airflow depends on the case, and how many fans it could fit. But more fans have diminishing returns of course.

> I run my PC/GPUs at 100% 24/7
Why?? And what parts? Wattage?

You're not gonna get that really silent without watercooling you GPU, probably.

How can you tell the difference between two monitors? Is price usually a good indicator of quality?

>>61072700
>Is price usually a good indicator of quality?

no. First check out the base specs, resolution, ppi, refresh rate etc. When you find something that seems relevant, check a good review site like https://pcmonitors.info/

>>61072700
>Is price usually a good indicator of quality?
Is it ever? Higher quality products do tend to be more expensive, but being more expensive does not indicate higher quality.

>>61072609
>>61072660
That's what I said: "Of course you're not going to be pulling 430W all the time".

If you on average pull more than 325W then 650W is preferable. And again, it leaves you with quite a bit of headroom for future upgrades. Considering the price difference between, say, the G2 550W and 650W versions is less than $10. I really don't see much of a reason why you wouldn't pick up the 650W version.

Ignoring some frankly negligible details in this context, a PSU won't pull more from your wall than is needed.

>>61072513
Dampened cases are good and you will notice the difference BUT... imho good silent fans are much more important.
If you want a silent case go for it, i have the Fractal Design R5. Good silent cases are Be Quiet! Silent/Pure Base series, Fractal Design Define series, Nanoxia Deep Silence series and Thermaltake Suppressor series.
Regardless of what case you get, don't spend more than $100 on a silent case unless it offers some premium features you might want such as the Be Quiet Silent Base 900 or comes with like 3 good fans.
My R5 is the limited PCGH edition which comes with a solid top and side plus 3 fans and i got it for 95 or so, which is a good price in Jewmany.
If you want to give into the silent meme do make sure you invest into good silent fans including your CPU fan AND a PSU with a quiet fan. Regardless, the most noise will produce your GPU anyways.
There's no point in getting a silent build if you're going to buy a Zotac GPU that will sound like a jet engine no matter what you do to your case. Do your research on GPU noise.
For example as far as i know the new Sapphire Nitro HSF is cool and quiet for AMD and Palit/Gainward Jetstream/Phoenix/Gamerock series are reasonable for a silent build.

>>61072719
Ah, thanks for the reply. I appreciate the advice.

Looking for a good 1070 graphics card to pick up at Microcenter today.
They have the Asus Dual (white) for $380 and the Asus strix OC for $420.

http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966937/Video-Cards

Any other 1070's i should get instead from them?

>>61072719
On average most people are gonna pull 80-100w at idle/browsing. which is what they do most of the time.

Now $10 isnt much but it's pointless if he's not planning to get a 300w GPU.

>>61072700
Really the only way to know is to first learn about the basics: Know the difference between TN, IPS, VA and so on. Learn about ghosting, overshooting, gsync, freesync and all that shit.

Then read reviews.

For reviews I strongly recommend you check out tftcentral, they do some really great in-depth reviews. It's essentially the jonnyguru of monitors.

My R7 [email protected] (1.3v) is running at 56 - 57°C at 100% load on a Noctua DH-15S (stock fan + be quiet pure wings 140mm fan), is that normal? I'm fairly sure that's too hot, on stock cooler + stock clocks was running 66°C at 100% load
Case is fractal design define R5 with one be quiet pure wings 140mm at the back, another at the front and one fractal stock 140mm also at the front, so airflow really isn't a problem
and putting my hand inside the case, it's really not hot. But when i put my hand between exhaust fan & CPU cooler then i can notice the air is pretty hot

>>61072773
>56 - 57°C
>too hot
Wtf are you on about haha, those are good temps. stop worrying about it.

>>61072773
>56 - 57°C at 100%
That's fairly normal. Remember that many reviewers report temperature in delta T, i.e. CPU temperature - ambient temperature.

>>61072786
I was getting 70°C~ish before on same overclock but with stock cooler during similar 100% load, 13°C really seems small to me for such a beefy cooler and two 140mm fans attached to it

>>61072796
>>61072786
Don't bully him, he probably had Intel cpus before.

>>61072749
http://www.microcenter.com/product/466879/GeForce_Strix_GTX_1070_Overclocked_8GB_GDDR5_PCIe_Video_Card_w-_Aura_RGB_Lighting

so should i get this for $420?

How's the 1050 Ti? Specs wise it doesnt seem that far from the 1060

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>>61072857
performance wise it is

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>>61072672
>>61072734
Thanks for the input, some great options among them, although the fractal design cases seem to be too small, except maybe the Define XL. The bequiet dark base 900 pro is definitely a candidate. I'll have to research them a bit more.
>>61072698
>Why?? And what parts? Wattage?
>You're not gonna get that really silent without watercooling you GPU, probably.
Yes, I run 2 EVGA 1080 Ti Hybrid. They're pretty silent after attaching the fans to the motherboard with a custom curve. I probably want a third one, that's why I need a Full Tower.

i heard there's going to be gpu restock at the end of the month.
if i order rx580 from amazon.de now, what are the chances of getting it in next 2-3 weeks?

>>61072803
As you know the stock cooler isnt bad. 70c is a sustainable temperature that won't really affect the life of the CPU. 75c is AMD official safe 24/7 temp.

Usually you'd get that kind of cooler for 200w CPUs or just because you want the most silent PC, so turn down the fans and enjoy.

>>61072820
http://www.microcenter.com/product/467995/GeForce_GTX_1070_Overclocked_Dual-Fan_8GB_GDDR5_Video_Card

or this card for $40 less?

Why are cryptoniggers allowed to get away with this?

>>61072332
Aren't the new memecoins "ASIC-resistant"? What if demand for GPUs for mining never falls? Is PC gaming finished?

>>61072899
>The bequiet dark base 900 pro is definitely a candidate
Excellent case and imo with a fair price tag considering what you get. Stock fans are also very good and on Computex there was a white/alu special edition announcement, maybe that's something for you.

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Who /waiting for Vega/ here?

>>61072899
Remember that, unlike the dark base 900 pro, the Define S got no hard drive cage. Only by removing or relocating it will the dark base 900 pro be able to deliver 20mm more clearance.

>>61073057
>waiting
>Tfw been planning my PC for almost 12 months and I keep falling for the waiting meme

>>61073057
I waited for so long that I just took an offer on a 1080 strix a guy sold. In a way I regret it. I went from a 290x and I have a FreeSync monitor.

>>61073051
>What if demand for GPUs for mining never falls? Is PC gaming finished?
Most likely the production will ramp up.

>>61072989
Would definitely go with the Strix, if you actually want to use the GPU

>>61073057
Is there even a release date for the mid range Vega gpu's yet?

>>61073129
use the gpu?

>>61073143
No. Wait for the announcement :^)

what's the cheapest 1440p monitor out there?

>>61073143
5th of June according to rumor

>>61073189
1440p is only requirement?
Crossover 27QW

>>61073189
Buying the cheapest crap you can possibly find is rarely ever the best value or smartest investment. And the shoddy quality very frequently end up costing the consumer more in the long run.

Are Freesync and G-Sync just memes?

>>61073298
No. They are like Mechanic keyboards. You don't know what you are missing till you use them. Then you can't go back.

>Finally decide to build a pc
>GPU prices skyrocket

How long will this cryptocurrency mining craze affect the GPU prices?
Will they drop to normal levels in a few weeks or will they stay like this for months?

>>61072899
>although the fractal design cases seem to be too small
I have the Define S, and I can tell you that it definitely does not *feel* small, at least. It's a pretty imposing monolith. Had no trouble fitting all my stuff in it. But then, I'm not mining with 3 GPUs.

>>61073311
After the vega release there will be plenty of used 480/580s to pick up for a low sum.

>>61073190
Anon... It's almost July already...

>>61073311
No one knows but it is most likely the latter.

>>61073336
>Buying 2nd hand tortured GPUs
No.

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>>61073342
fuck

Is 520W sufficient for a 580 and a 1600 or should I look into a new PSU?

>>61073479
450w is probably sufficient for that. Not the most effective, but sufficient for sure.

>>61073479
It's fine.

Hey bros new to pc building, but i have a question that (after extensive research (googling and youtubing)) i cant find any info on.
My question is this.
Are B350/B370 Motherboards backwards compatible with older cpu's?
I currently have an Athlon II X4 630 processor, and the specs section on the b350 im looking to get says compatible with Athlon processors. but PC Part Picka does not even bring up Athlon processors after selecting a b350. ill be upgrading to Ryzen 7 God willing in 2 weeks but just wanted to know if i could get things going with my old processor as soon as stuff gets here.
Build:
>NZXT-S340 Case
>EVGA 650w
>Asus Prime B350 plus
>16G Corsair Vengance
>Nvidya 9800gt (to be upgraded after Etherium crashes)
>AMD Athlon II X4 630 / Ryzen 7 1700

>>61073510
No, AM4 is a new socket. It's compatible with future Athlon processors, if AMD makes them this gen.

Why do people create rigs that barely scrape by, and then put PSUs with over 200W more than they need?

I understand it is for updatability, but why not put more money towards having a rig that will last you a long time?

GENTLEMEN

I want the strongest 100% passively-cooled rig.
What's the best CPU I can hope for? No atom shit.

>>61073510
>athlon II

No, get rid of that.

>nvidia 9800gt
No, get rid of that too.
A nice GTX 980 could do you well for a while for a budget build.

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>>61073057
Wait for Vega they said...

>>61073510
The socket determines whether or not it's compatible. AFAIK AM4 is compatible with Ryzen and AM3+ CPUs, so bristol ridge and up (i.e. yours isn't compatible).

>>61073555
Ryzen 7 1800x.

>>61073555
Depends on what you're cooling with. With enough thermal material and surface area, any CPU can be passively cooled.

>>61073555
Intel i9

>>61073509
>>61073508
Thanks.
>Not the most effective
Something to do with efficiency, I assume?

While we're talking about PSUs, what happens when the power required exceeds that of what can be supplied? Can shit break or do things just get throttled?

>>61073585
Money is not a problem. My company pays for it.

btw it's for audio recording

>>61073597
Are you retarded or is this b8?

>>61073543
>>61073560
ah thanks for letting me know gents. this information will prove to be useful.
>>61073557
well ya of course, it was all going to be paired with a gtx 1070 but etherium has probably made it so that it will never happen. im considering a 1080 now but its just overkill and too pricy for what i wanted. iguess im just waiting for vega now. any bro's have any speculation when etherium will end if ever? any words of hope maybe

>>61073628
You just have to pour some water over it, since water can never go over 100°C it's perfectly safe.
It's like watercooling, but passive.

>>61072317
>wait for Vega
Don't

>>61073597
>>61073610
>>61073628
>>61073651
you know a very well gaurded secret is actually using hot sauce instead of thermal paste. Valentina or Tapatio, ive even heard of a light salsa application.

>>61073602
It's SUPPOSED to just shut down. If you're using a shitty PSU, what'll happen is anyone's guess.

Looking to build a new PC, mainly for gaming. I'm a bit paranoid about overclocking and would rather not do that.

So R5 1600x would be the recommended CPU for a PC that will be able to play most current titles at max settings?
How does the i7-7700 compare? Why is it not recommended?

>>61073681
Hot sauce only works if you're overclocking, otherwise if it's too spicy and it can melt the CPU.

>>61073681
While the i9 gets extremely hot, that's not my problem with it.

Easily fixed with an expensive water cooling unit. An expensive unit will last you a long time too.

My problem with the i9 is the spec-to-price ratio on it being out of whack.

Ryzen processors can do a better job but, guess what? Aren't as expensive.

Let's be honest. 4K is a fucking scam.

Is there any reason to buy a GTX 1070 right now when a GTX 1080 costs just $50 more?

>>61073704
>How does the i7-7700 compare? Why is it not recommended?
Because it's 50% more expensive for minimal benefit.

>>61073704
It isn't recommended because the 1600x is better, but the i7-7700k is higher priced.

It's makes no sense.

It would be like buying Adobe Premiere for full price while VEGAS Pro 14 is on discount.


>>61073723
I totally fucking agree.
I have a 4K TV and on YouTube, switched between 1080p and 4K on a video.

Looked the same.

4K is just a way for the greedy jews over at BenQ and AOC can make more money.

And 8K? Someone decided it was a good idea to make 8K?

Fucking christ.

>>61073723
I don't see the appeal, like at all.

Maybe for work but definitely not for gaming.

>>61073764
Why would you need it for work?

>hurr durr this 4K display looks real nice with microsoft spreadsheet


Maybe if you were a video editor, but really, not even then.

>>61073051
>What if demand for GPUs for mining never falls? Is PC gaming finished?

The OEMs are readying mining-specific cards with no video outputs at a lower price, so cryptofags won't need the gaming cards soon.

https://videocardz.com/70254/asus-colorful-and-msi-showcase-their-mining-graphics-cards

>>61073783
does this mean millions of fried rx580's and 480's will flood the market at low prices?

What chipset do you need in a MOBO for the i7-7700K?

(I already ordered the i7-7700K and there is no refund policy unless the product is faulty where I ordered it from, it showed up yesterday.)

I should have bought the fucking Ryzen 7 1700x. Slightly higher priced, but has more cores.

>>61073712
The i9 is the first processor with DLCs! You wouldn't want to pass up on that, would you?

does /pcbg/ recommend gigabyte brand vid cards

>>61073842
WOW!

I LOVE MICRO-TRANSACTIONS ON MY PARTS!

WHAT'S NEXT? OH BOY, WILL WE HAVE TO PAY FOR PROPERLY WORKING DRIVERS FOR OUR GPUS?

I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT!

But is 1440p a scam?

>>61073867
And for only $999 extra, you can go from 16 to 17 PCIe lanes! Wow!

>>61073832
Nevermind, I just remembered that it's the B250 chipset.

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>find 780ti for 90£
>omgwhatadeal this used to be 700
>look at new bench
Wtf guys?

>>61073832
z270

>>61073892
No it isn't

Also fuck this new captcha I fucking hate it so much.

>>61073888
(^^^_checked_^^^)

No wait, DON'T TELL ME. DON'T SAY IT'S SO.

*gasp* IT IS... A PAYWALL TO START UP OUR PC!

IT'S JUST LIKE XBOX LIVE!

I FUCKING LOVE IT.

THANKS, DIRECTX!

>>61073900
Yes it is, the MSI - B250M PRO-VD Micro ATX and the i7-7700K work together.

The B250 chipset also works. (On certain MOBOs.)

>>61073920
wat

seriously

z270 mobos are expensive

i could have bought a b250

fuck me

>>61073662
Don't? What are you gonna do?
But a GPU in this current climate?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NBkD4D/samsung-optical-drive-sn208dbbebe

What the hell?

>samsung optical drive
>picture shows an asus optical drive

>>61073895
Kepler got fucked hard by Nvidia ditching driver support for it. In older games a 780 Ti performs between a 970 and a 980. In newer ones, it's complete trash. All down to drivers.

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>>61074028
wut

>>61073920
I was fairly certain that z270 was the only chipset that KabyLake-S CPUs can use.

See, with /pcbg/, you learn something new everyday.

>>61073681
>>61073651
>>61073628
Guys please. I was thinking maybe an i5 or something.

>want to buy trusty Gigabyte K7 motherboard for Ryzen build
>reports of it crashing regularly everywhere
What board do I buy instead? I barely trust ASUS enough after one of their motherboards died on me.
Is Gigabyte doing a Rev 2.0 anytime soon?

So I need some help from you anons, i'm building my first computer that i'll use for programming, running virtualmachines, maybe watch some movies on. Also i'm on a budget and thinking of not getting a gpu since i don't game. My specs are: 16gb ram, i5-7500 processor. Will I be fine not using a gpu?

>>61074200
Bad
Everything the i5 7500 is good at in your usage, the 1500x (and 1600) do it massively better
Make a detailed pcpartpicker list please

>Will I be fine not using a gpu?
If you don't really care about using GPU passthrough, yeah you'll be fine.

>If you want help:

Yes please, I'm upgrading from my crappy macbook pro I dropped £1.4K on 5 years ago, it overheats playing youtube videos and is too underpowered, I made a horrible mistake buying from apple what overpriced shit.

I'm looking for a relatively compact tower PC, I used laptops all my life so I'm feeling pretty clueless, I move location every 6 months or so so need something that can fit in a suitcase/bag, nothing fridge sized.

>State the budget for your build (and country if not the USA).

UK. My budget limit is about £1500 but hoping to spend around £1000-£1200 or less if it fills my needs.

>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate.

I don't care about 4K and use a 1080p monitor
I like to game in my downtime so I want something beefy enough to run all the AAA titles well.

I work as a freelance animator so need to run lots of adobe art programs like Flash and Photoshop and also Maya sometimes, I have a 22inch cintiq too so need something that can handle external displays well.

My mac gets horribly hot and I have to manually manage my fans that it doesn't cook itsself to death, so I need something that manages heat well enough I never have to think about it.

>>61074165
Well, I guess so. The i3-i7s aren't that bad. The only issue I have with them is their prices. The greedy bastards at Intel want all the money you can give them. And people continue to buy up their CPUs because big-name gaming YouTubers use i7s and crap. People are bamboozled everyday. It sickens me. Only tech YouTubers use Ryzen CPUs and that's because they know what's up with Ryzen.

The most powerful i5, the i5-7600K's NewEgg listing price: $239.99
The most powerful Ryzen 5, the Ryzen 5 1600x's NewEgg listing price: $239.99

Okay. So, same price new, so why am I so heavily implying that you should get the Ryzen CPU when the i5-7600K has 0.2GHz more processing power? Because the Ryzen 5 1600x is a hex-core (6 core) CPU. Plus, really, 2 more cores for more threading ability vs. 0.2GHz more processing power. You would have to be an extremely autistic 12 year old to choose the i5-7600K.

>>61074178
Go with the MSi TOMAHAWK.

>>61074178
AsRock Taichi
>>61074165
Why do you want passive cooling? Just get quiet components and a sound dampening case.

You can soens a LOT of money on pssively cooled cases, which are VERY rare to find. there are some big, chunky passive coolers for CPU, but they depend much on the airflow of the case, passively cooler gpus are more common, but usually low end, because of thermals

>>61074165
see, this anon got it >>61074248

if you are worried about cooling, the 1600x's stock cooler is the wraith max, it's better than 99% of budget cooling units out there, it even beats out 45% of liquid cooling units

>>61074232
Get a microATX (mATX) or miniITX (mITX) case and motherboard so that the thing won't be annoying to carry around and be pretty small
Something like an R5 1600 is great at productivity but doesn't heat much, and doesn't become a bottleneck ever for games. The 6 cores allow you to game and have your handful of productivity software running in the background without any hiccup so that you can go back to productivity whenever you want, and Maya should scale well with cores making rendering go pretty fast.
That coupled with a GTX 1060 6GB will run all the AAA titles well, won't use much power so won't output much heat, and be very helpful for your productivity stuff because of CUDA acceleration

>>61074165
>>61074263
There is no stock cooler on the 1600x.
Get the 1600 if you want a stock cooler with it.

>>61074248
>People are bamboozled everyday.
what does that mean

>>61074223
Full specs list:
Mb: Msi pro series intel z270
Cpu: intel core i5-7500
Ram: corsair vengeance (2x8gb) 16 gb ddr4
Power supply: evga 500 w
Storage: WD Blue 1tb sata
Chassi: corsair spec-01

>>61074298
hoodwinked
duped
tricked
cheated
swindled
defrauded
deluded
mislead
flimflam'd
falling for the ole' root-toot-n-kaboot-kahoot

>>61074248
>0.2GHz more processing power
this isn't how it works anon. not to mention you can overclock 7600k to ~5ghz, which does put it in lead IN GAMES vs. ryzen 5 1600 by a slim margin.
i'm not defending i5, buying 4/4 from intel when you can have 6/12 for the same price is retarded, but let's not mislead people here. also the costs of z270 board and no stock cooler make i5 actually more expensive for a little gain in fps, that is if you buy a cooler good enough to cool that housefire.

>>61074309
Still lacking important information like price, RAM frequency, ram model
Why don't you maid a pcpartpicker list?

>>61074178
The Crosshair VI and Taichi are objectively the best X370 boards available. The K7 has mediocre VRMs and the Xpower Titanium is an absolute joke.

If you want something cheaper, the Asus Prime X370-Pro is the best mid-range board. The K5 is okay at the lower price point as well (it's the exact same board as the K7, minus the clock generator).

>>61074378
>maid
make

>>61074309
lol that's terrible
>programming, running virtualmachines,
are you really going to buy 4/4 for that?

>>61074365
>you can overclock 7600k to ~5ghz

I blame tech sites for perpetuating this fallacy. Fucking Gamers Nexus especially, posting 5.1GHz 7700K results, as if it's in any way realistic. Most people will not be able to overclock their 7600K/7700K to 5GHz. You need to delid for reasonable temperatures for a start.

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>>61074409
Also from Silicon Lottery:
>As of 6/19/17, the top 83% of tested 7700Ks were able to hit 4.9GHz or greater.

>>61074378
/DD89HN
there ya go

>>61074476
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r6shXH
This is better but will require a dedicated GPU as the 1500x doesn't have an iGPU, i didn't pick one because i know fuckall about which is the best in the $50~ish price range for GPUs but i'm sure someone do here
So you're essentially getting better but for the same price. The 1600x is only $24 higher than the 1500x though but has 2 more cores and 4 more threads which would be very, very helpful for VM works, so consider it

>>61074263
>if you are worried about cooling, the 1600x's stock cooler is the wraith max
1600x don't have a stock cooler.

>>61074476
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3RJyNN

>>61074456
Why are you posting the 4.9GHz number? Could it be because there's a massive drop-off after that?

>As of 6/19/17, the top 62% of tested 7700Ks were able to hit 5.0GHz or greater.
>As of 6/19/17, the top 31% of tested 7600Ks were able to hit 5.1GHz or greater.

Oh look, it is! And that's on a top of the line Maximus VIII motherboard, with a top of the line 240mm AIO, in a temperature-controlled environment and set up by people who overclock CPUs for a living.

How fucking delusional would you need to be to think that the average person buying a 7700K is going to get the same results on their $120 motherboard and Hyper 212 Evo in their 35 degree ambient shack in Guadalajara?

Nice try, Shlomo.

>>61074525
needs a gpu

>>61074537
because i said "overclock 7600k to ~5ghz".
~ - This symbol (in English) informally means "approximately", "about", or "around".

0,1ghz is a minimal difference. still 7600k apparently clocks better so 5.0GHz should be possible on ~66% of 7600k.

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Is there a way to get this build sub $1400 or even sub $1300 without sacrificing quality?
What would be a cheaper monitor that would work with how games run on the computer?

>>61074629
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/43r6f8 btw

>>61074232
Okay, here is what you are going to want.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1500x
CPU Cooler: WRAITH Max (the stock cooling unit that comes with the CPU)
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
Motherboard: MSI B350 Pro MORTAR
Storage: 120GB SSD (a drive for the OS and any backups of files); 500GB SSD (main drive)
Ram: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 (2x4GB) (in red) [x2 to fill up all 4 ram slots]
Sound Card: Asus - Xonar DSX (You don't need this, this is just in-case you want 7.1 surround sound)
PSU: CORSAIR CX550 550W
Case: Corsair Crystal 460x RGB
Monitor: AOC E2470SWD
Keyboard: Corsair Gaming K70 LUX RGB Cherry MX Reds
Mouse: Corsair Harpoon RGB

There you go, anon. A full build for under your price range.

>>61074287
Well then, buy the WRAITH Max separately, I think AMD sells them by themselves.

>>61074298
It means people are getting 'dun trickeroonied into buying shitty Intel CPUs.

>>61074629
the only things i can think of:
- only 8gb of ram (you can just add more in future)
- cheaper psu (in reality even evga 500b won't have any problems with this)
- cheaper aftermarket gpu like msi armor
should save you ~150$

>>61074676
>WRAITH Max (the stock cooling unit that comes with the CPU)
Wraith spire, you mean. Wraith MAX is limited to OEM builds for 1600x and 1800x.

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>>61074676
>corsair CX

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>>61074713
Alright, I got it to about $1300
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/FxcHFd

>>61074676
>1500x when 1600 is barely more expensive
>telling him to buy 2 ssds instead of 240gb+1 hdd
>corsair psu
>rgb ugly overpriced case
>shitty corsair peripherals
>A FUCKING TN MONITOR

NO ONE take his advice. retard is shilling for corsair

>>61074761
Get the 6GB version or the 1060.

>>61074761
change ram to 2x4gb and at least 2666mhz. ryzen likes fast memory.
also you picked the 3gb vram version of gtx 1060. it's gimped compared to 6gb and performs worse. also you will run into vram issues with it and you don't want that.

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>>61074794
>>61074785
Alright. Is there a way to get a cheaper monitor that still has higher than 60Hz refresh rate?

>>61074819
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/pH28cc btw

>>61074761
>kanodian dollarinos
fuck me you guys are getting shafted hard

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>>61074715
He can get a liquid cooling unit separately if he needs it.

>>61074771
>TN MONITOR
TN monitors are cheap. He is a budgeted gamer. View points aren't a problem unless you are a retard who sits angled in a clearly incorrect way.

>shitty corsair peripherals
Excuse me? An RGB mechanical keyboard with Cherry MX Reds and an RGB mouse of the same brand to match it aren't shitty. You are clearly a shill for Razer. I like Razer, but I refuse to buy Razer keyboards because they stopped using Cherry MX switches. Or maybe you are a Logitech shill. Logitech is a garbage brand. Have fun with your "hip, cool and edgy" peripheral designs. The only keyboard that doesn't use their shitty custom "Romer G" switches doesn't have RGB lighting. Go away.

>rgb ugly overpriced case
Ugly? How. It looks like a sleek glass box with cool RGB lights shining out from it. It's better than that space-age crap like the the VIVO Smart.

>1500x when 1600 is barely more expensive
He is budgeted. He literally needs to spare all the money he can. I suppose you are right though.

>corsair psu
Really complaining about a PSU that gets that job done? Really? Are you whipped by certain brands THIS bad.

>250gb ssd+1 hdd
He is budgeted, he doesn't need 1TB of space at all. 500GB worth of SSD space for games and a 120GB SSD for the OS and backups, maybe even his meme folder. That's all he needs.

Get over yourself.

>>61074819
are you sure that you need a high refresh rate? it's good mainly for comp games like dota, quake, csgo etc.

you can get 75hz monitor for half the price but 75hz isn't really much of an upgrade from 60hz.

also you still have slow ram. for some reason 8gb 3000mhz seems to be the same price as 2133mhz. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk8gx4m2b3000c15

>>61074905
>Really complaining about a PSU that gets that job done? Really? Are you whipped by certain brands THIS bad.
Why not buy Diablotek PSU then?

>>61074923
Because there wasn't a price listing for the 550W one of PCPartPicker. Never put parts on a list that don't have price listings.

>>61074771
>>61074905
Whats the deal with TN monitors? I thought they offered better response time.

>>61074912
Before recommending RAM, have you ensured that the RAM is on the mobo's QVL?

>>61074958
Shit colors.

>>61074676
>Expensive Meme Keyboard
>Expensive Meme Mouse
>TN Monitor
>Overpriced RGB Case
>CX Series Power Supply
>Sound Card ( Why would you even )
> Secondary SSD
>Ryzen 5 1500x


You've created the absolute worst value per gbp money can buy.

>>61074905
>TN monitors are cheap. He is a budgeted gamer.
he also works with photoshop where colors are more important. not to mention he has fucking 1.2k budget. tn has no place here

>Excuse me?...
>Cherry MX Reds™ with RGB™
oh boy you really do shill for corsair. zowie and logitech make better mice period.

>Ugly? How. It looks like a sleek glass box™ with cool RGB lights shining™ out from it
rgb is for underage retards with no taste like you. also it costs more than a monitor. guess which one you spend more time looking at :^)

>He is budgeted.
i'm pretty sure you are baiting right now. you're recommending overpriced Corsair™ shit while jewing on the most important parts of the build. seriously kill yourself

>Really complaining about a PSU that gets that job done?
corsair psus are a meme for a reason.

>He is budgeted, he doesn't need 1TB of space at all.
250gb ssd + 1tb hdd is cheaper. he doesn't need ssd for storage and 500gb is too little.

i already called you out on shilling few threads ago. leave this general faggot.

>>61074964
>have you ensured that the RAM is on the mobo's QVL?
it's the same price as 2133mhz he picked. in the worst case it won't work at 3000mhz.

>>61075053
>in the worst case it won't work at 3000mhz.
Wrong. In the worst case it doesn't boot at all.

>>61074958
Who gives a shit about response time when your colors look like ass nigger.

Unless it's 144hz, in which case it's okay, otherwise get business surplus Dell Ultrasharp / Eizo/HP/ Fujitsu IPS monitors.

>>61074964
>>61075065
worth noting that not all tn panels have shit colors. sometimes they can look on par, if not better, than cheap ips.

>>61075109
>worth noting that not all tn panels have shit colors
I'd like to see one. The only non-shit TN panel i've ever seen was on a macbook air.

Will the r5 1600 bottleneck any GPU?

>>61075109
Wrong. Because of the way TN panels are made, they will never have accurate colors. Manufacturers can pull off software tricks to make the colors look better but hardware limitations mean that TN panels will never display accurate colors.

>>61075127
No.

>>61075127
It depends on the game. Some games are primarily CPU-bound and any CPU will be the bottleneck.

>>61075137
We don't necessarily care for accurate colors. Mostly for an experience that's not shit.

Buying a TN panel can lead to a shit experience.

>>61075124
>>61075137
AOC G2460VQ6

>>61075151
>I work as a freelance animator so need to run lots of adobe art programs like Flash and Photoshop and also Maya sometimes
>We don't necessarily care for accurate colors.

What?

Ethereum still crashing, miners on suicide watch, light at the end of the tunnel increasingly visible

>>61075206
is it really happening?

>>61075216
The question is will it keep happening. It might still bounce right back up given how irrational the average miner is.
But so far everything is red on the horizon.

>>61075206
>>61075216
>>61075230
>Sold a 290x for 250 dollars instead of mining
Feels good man

>>61074676
Let me fix this shit for you:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
CPU Cooler: Wraith Spire
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1070 mini
Motherboard: MSi B350 Pro MORTAR
Storage: 120GB SSD; 2TB HDD
Ram: Kingston Savage DDR4-3000 (1x8) [x4 to fill up all ram slots to equal 32GB ram]
Sound Card: Asus - Xonar DSX (not needed, but if you want 7.1 surround sound, a must have)
PSU: EVGA 600 B1 100‑B1‑0600‑KR 80+
Case: DIY-PC CUBOID-R
Monitor: Acer R240HY BIDX
Keyboard: Kingston - HyperX Alloy FPS (Cherry MX Reds with red backlighting)
Mouse: Asus ROG Gladius (red backlighting)

>>61074232
A good fix of the list, and it has a nice red theme going for it. I hope you enjoy the red theme.

>>61075035
What do you think of my fix?
Do I have to fix it again?

Had to update my parts list as my current psu does not fit in the case i want.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gbk9HN

>>61075324
1000w?

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Is there a good site where I can compare several CPU cooler on heat performance vs noise?

>>61075361
https://www.youtube.com

i need a new monitor. still deciding between 24 or 27inch. my build is a 7700k + 1070. Can someone recommend me some good performace/price monitor. preferably IPS and no need for g-sync shit

>>61075405
>1070
>7700k
>Don't want G-sync
WHat

>>61075361
TPU's reviews carry huge lists of all the coolers they've tested with thermal and noise results.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/LEPA/NEOllusion/6.html

>>61075414
You shouldn't need G-Sync.

The monitor should be good enough to not have screen tearing.

>>61075430
Thanks that's what I was looking for.

>>61075457
>The monitor should be good enough to not have screen tearing.
What

>>61075457
>The monitor should be good enough to not have screen tearing.
Screen tearing has literally nothing to do with the quality of the monitor.

>>61075414
I mean.... i want it but I think it's too expensive, I dont play FPS, i mostly play RTS

>>61075324
Here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YcGPkT

I usually side with Ryzen CPUs but the R5 1600x only gave you choice of 2 motherboards, one of which doesn't have a price listing. I was able to replace it for the same price with an Intel i5-7600k 3.8GHz Quad-core, it might not be 3.7 6 core, but hey, really, you have a 1070, it's not like you need that kind of power. The Ryzen 5 1600x is better, I admit it, for the same price you are getting 3.7GHz 6-core instead of 3.8 quad-core, but honestly, the i5-7600K is great for gaming and great for work, so, it's kind of worth it to be able to have the motherboard I picked out, which has built-in wifi capabilities. The price of the list is the same, I changed your GTX 1070 to a higher clocking one, but funny thing, it's LOWER PRICED. So I put the leftover money into more ram.

Ryzen is better than Intel, don't argue with me, the Ryzen processor just wasn't working with this build. Take and use it. It is a great build, I can tell you that. I can get the price down lower if you want, you shouldn't be paying $1300 for a build with a 1070.

>>61075522
Screen tearing happens in all games. Unless you don't mind input lag or screen tearing then turn V-sync on. All 1440p monitors come with freesync. What resolution are you looking at?

>>61075512
>>61075504
I know, it is partly due to input lag, partly due to PC-to-monitor communication, and a tad bit due to the refresh rate of the monitor.

PC-to-monitor communication can only go wrong when the monitor doesn't communicate well.

Input lag is also the monitor's fault.

>>61075279
- 250gb ssd is a minimum, especially with this budget
- for 1080p monitor gtx1060/rx580 is enough. gtx1070 should be picked for 1440p (ips of course)
- the whole line about sound card can be thrown out. if you don't know if you need one then you don't.
- i don't know about that case. price is alright though.
- psu is ok. a bit on the budget end.
- as for peripherals: no everyone needs mechanical keyboards. for a first pc i would just go to a shop and pick whatever feels and looks good to you. as for mice zowie fk/ec logitech g403/pro beat all. on a budget? g203.
it's still a massive improvement over the other build Powered by Corsair™

>>61075570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT8f_1oRsLU

Please learn how input lag and screen tearing occurs and what G-sync is. There is no such thing as
>The monitor should be good enough to not have screen tearing.
Monitors without kikesync or freesync has a fixed refresh rate and a PC has variable refresh rate. This is what causes tearing. Input lag is from the PC showing the same frame twice to prevent tearing which gives it the laggy input. Again nothing to do with the monitor.

>>61075542
I already have almost all of the parts only core components and case are what is new.

>>61075542
>32 gb of ram but shit ssd
??? why
also i'd just wait. apparently itx boards are going to be launched in july. no need to fall for the intel meme.

>>61075542
Also i don't need Wifi.

>>61075549
i know i know but i notice it more on FPS. either 1080 with 24'' or more with 27''

>>61075347
Yes it is in my current build.

>>61075650
So 1080p@ 60? 144?

>>61075676
preferably 1440p with a 27 inch monitor

>>61075730
144hz? 60hz?

>>61075167
Is this supposed to be proof of a "shit experience", or an example of a good TN?

>>61075795
every review i've read on this monitor praised its colors.

>>61075583
Well, he is going to be gaming at 1080p because the 1070 is a beast with 1080p and he wants his rig to last a long time. Therefore he will use 1080p. 1440p is a scam, honestly. I looked at a video in 1080p res and then switched it to 1440p res and I saw very little difference. Anything over 1080p is overkill.

Well, about the sound card, this is someone asking people on the internet to make him a build, how do you expect him to know anything?

About the peripherals, I can tell you he probably doesn't want to upgrade for a very long time. It's best to just spend all your money on your rig and peripherals and shit that you want beforehand so you won't have to upgrade or worry about getting the money to upgrade for a very long time.

For the SSD, it's fixable.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
CPU Cooler: Wraith Spire
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1070 mini
Motherboard: MSi B350 Pro MORTAR
Storage: 250GB SSD; 2TB HDD
Ram: Kingston Savage DDR4-3000 (1x8) [x4 to fill up all ram slots to equal 32GB ram]
Sound Card: Asus - Xonar DSX (not needed, but if you want 7.1 surround sound, a must have)
PSU: EVGA 600 B1 100‑B1‑0600‑KR 80+
Case: DIY-PC CUBOID-R
Monitor: Acer R240HY BIDX
Keyboard: Kingston - HyperX Alloy FPS (Cherry MX Reds with red backlighting)
Mouse: Asus ROG Gladius (red backlighting)

>>61074232
The final form of your list.

Enjoy, anon. It is a small case because there is a mini graphics card, this is a MicroATX build.

You have more of an ability to place your computer somewhere.

Enjoy.

>>61075821
>every review i've read on this monitor praised its colors.
Despite it being TN.
That is like saying Jamal is pretty smart for a black kid

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/GCCd7h

Hey /g/ I recently got a old dell vostro 200 slim for free as a hand me down from family. Any Ideas on what I could do to upgrade the system or if I should scrap it and build a entirely new one? Link provided is what i got. Already order a cheap mouse and keyboard for around $70 cad total so thats covered. If recommending a new build my budget for that is roughly $600 cad.

>>61075859
Save the monitor. The rest is scrape material and not worth basing an upgrade off.

>acer r240hy bidx

i want to buy this monitor

is it any good

>>61075768
i dont know. can you recommend for both options?

>>61075844
>1440p is a scam
>Anything over 1080p is overkill.
ladies and gentlemen, the shittiest opinion in this thread

>>61075858
is it better than ips? probably not, but it's close enough to be an exception of "hurr durr all tn panels have terrible colors" meme.

>>61075874
Thanks anon, was thinking about buying a cheap gpu or something for it but I guess I wont.

>Save the monitor. The rest is scrape material

even the hard drive?

Hey, I'm currently running a single 960 4GB would it be better to get a second one or upgrade?

>>61075937
upgrade. don't even think of SLI

>>61075897
144hz
Acer XG270HU if you don't mind 5ms response time since you play RTS
ASUS MG279Q is more expensive but has ~1 ms response time

60hz
LG 27UD58-B

>>61075936
>even the hard drive?
Hard is salvageable.

>>61075936
yeah even the cheapest budget gpu will be bottlenecked by that pentium.
you can reuse the hdd for storage only. it's 5400rpm so not ideal for games n shit. might wanna check S.M.A.R.T first and i wouldn't store any important data on it.

>>61075988
>>61075991
Thanks anons

>>61075937
I'm pretty sure you can't even SLI the 960.

>>61076027
you can, it's impossible with gtx1060 though

>>61076027
You can, but you can't SLI the 1060

>>61075859
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BJRKTH
Make those changes and turn it into a work build.

>>61075903
You can't deny that it's not true.

There really is no difference to me.

You are just cheating yourself out of frames.

>>61076053
not only you can't read but this build is absolutely atrocious. please leave my general

>>61075972
>LG 27UD58-B
i was actually thinking about the LG, do you think it's good? It's been years since i've had a desktop... i've had laptops but I'm sick of them

>>61076075
you know you literally cannot experience 1440p by watching a video on 1080p monitor?
it's like playing a game at 144fps on a 60hz monitor.

>>61076077
fukkin rekt

>>61076091
All reviews point toward it being good.
And it is inexpensive.

>>61076099
I wasn't on a 1080p monitor. I went to the Best Buy and looked at a 1440p monitor, it was right next to a 1080p one, trust me, no fucking difference.

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Hi guys is there a big difference between 2 and 4 fans in a case? i am building a mid tier PC (1060+16GB+R7 1700) but i am on a tight budget and i am wondering between two cases.

A beatiful Nzxt S340 with 2 fans

https://sta3-nzxtcorporation.netdna-ssl.com/uploads/product_image/image/511/large_94818c3c83199d53.png

And a not so beatiful Corsair Spec ALPHA but with 4 fans included

http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/CES-SPEC.jpg

I am on such a tight budget i can't afford to buy some decent quality fans(in my country they aren't so cheap) so have to stuck with included ones.

Truth be told idgaf how the case looks as long as it keeps my shit silent and cold. Which one from this two is better at that?

>>61076077
It's a work build.

Not a fun build.

Not a gaming build.

A build for working with video editing.

Or photo editing.

Or general office work.


What do you expect from it? All work builds are shit. They are designed the run programs.

>>61074248
>>61074252
>>61074381
I'm rolling with the Taichi then although I'm not keen of ASRock because my brain is still attached to their image of being a cheap brand

How long will I have to wait until a 1070 costs less than a used car?

>>61076139
No.

The MSi Tomahawk bro.

Don't get the Taichi.

>>61076114
at 390€ i wouldn't call it cheap but i know what you mean :D thanks for all the help

>>61076077
you are considering modifying a used prebuilt pc

you dont deserve a cool rig

>>61076145
Etherium is sub 300 now.
Anyday soon

>>61076151
Reason being?

>>61076164
im not him

>>61076137
literally no one asked for a video editing build.
>i3 instead of pentium g4560
>aftermarket cooler for some retarded reason also 212 evo is obsolete
>meme hitachi hdd
>no ssd
>no psu
also >video editing on 2 cores
leave

>>61076175
He's retarded. The Tomahawk is a B350 board. Not even the best B350 board at that.

>>61076124
Airflow is more important than fans. My rig has two big fans, and works just fine. If the case has 4 fans, but doesn't hit all your components properly, it's a crap case.

>>61075844
thank you anons this looks like a good build.

>>61076118
To be honest the promo video used by most electronic stores is such sub-HD trash its not worth it unless you can get a good look at an actual desktop running.

>>61075945
What card should I be upgrading to? Looking to run 1080p. I was thinking a 1070

What's your opinion on the Corsair RM750X? I want a PSU that's quite when just doing regular browsing/watching movies/and other lighter stuff. Think my computer draws <150W with that usage.
I have a MSI R9 290 and a i5 4460.

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>>61076053
I think I'll be building a new ryzen build (link below) and putting it into pic related.
Then eventually turn this scrap into something like that when I have the spare change. Thanks anon. Any and all input is appreciated.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/FJZwbj

>>61076164
>you are considering modifying a used prebuilt pc

>you dont deserve a cool rig

Op of >>61075859 here, all I wanted to know was if I could upgrading it to something useful without spending to much. The guy you replied to isn't me btw.

>>61076204
>also video editing on 2 cores leave

So anon who suggested the rebuild is wrong and I should invest that $400 cad into a new gaming rig or even a future work/editing rig.

>>61076252
They exited out of the video to start up another one.

They were running Windows 8.

Still no difference. It's a waste of money and it's just a way to throw away frames.

>>61076271
Get seasonic and then never have to worry about your PSU again

>>61076264
for 1080p rx 580/gtx 1060 is perfect, but if you can spend more and want it to last you longer without having to turn settings down then gtx 1070 is also good.

>>61076271
>>61076282
I probably should've mentioned that I want something in the same price range as the RM750X. The Seasonic fanless ones seems really nice, but they are a bit expensive.

Hey guys
I just started getting into PC gaming two years ago and everything has been somewhat great. I'm looking into building a new system - but I've never picked out parts before. Can someone help.

> budget
~$450-500 (I'm in USA btw)
> what I want it to do
gaming; all the latest games at atleast medium settings

Thanks in advance

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So i am getting a SSD for the first time in my life. a 128GB SSD.

And i don't have a clue to what to use it for except the OS. what do you guys put on your SSD's?

I think about putting my adobe programs in it (the work files would be on the HDD tho cause ofc size). Would that help in any way?

>>61076313
Being cheap on your PSU is absolutely the last thing you want to do.

>>61076271
Complete overkill. Just get a Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 11 550W, Seasonic Prime 650W or EVGA SuperNOVA 550W G3 and you'll be set for a very long time.

>>61076272
i mean you are going over your budget right now.

wait for asrock/msi to release their ITX boards. it should happen somewhere in july.
you should go with at least 8gb of ram, 3000mhz+. also check motherboard's QVL to make sure it's compatible, since ryzen can really picky with memory.

>>61076318
SSDs help with load time, so anything you want to load faster you put on it.
So your OS, and programs that are slow to start or need a lot of I/O

>>61076318
everything goes on the SSD

>>61076318
consider getting at least 250gb, especially if you have any games.
usually on ssd you have OS and everything you use frequently, in your case it's adobe programs.

>>61076363
no, unless you like to waste money and ssd space i would get 1tb hdd for storage purposes, i.e movies, photos, music etc.

>>61076272
PCPARTPICKER IS DOWN.


WHAT DO?

>>61076314
do you also need monitor/mouse/keyboard? if yes it's going to be tough with $500 budget.

>>61076393
no I already have a decent monitor
also have a mouse and keyboard

>>61076264
The best card you can afford. There's no such thing as overkill, even for 1080p. I have a GTX 1080 and can bring that to its knees at 1080p in many games if I want to.

>>61076318
OS
Main/Most frequently used programs
Then disable page filing on the drive and set it to a platter drive to reduce wear leveling

>>61076411
i'll post link as soon as pcpartpicker comes back.

>>61076334
Both the Seasonic and Be Quiet! ones are more expensive than the RM750. The EVGA is just a bit lower and is only quiet up till 20% load, so 110W that might be less than my power draw.

>>61076444
>Then disable page filing on the drive and set it to a platter drive to reduce wear leveling
What

>>61076445
Thanks, I guess I just have to wait for maintenance to be over

>>61076459
When it comes to PSU. Expensive actually = better

>>61076459
The problem with over sizing your PSU is that around 10%-15% utilization the efficiency is absolute garbage on most units. We're talking sub-80%.

Secondly, yes the fan will start spinning at 20%. However, it reach 15 dBA at 40% utilization, increasing linearly from 20%. 15 dBA is VERY silent, it's very unlikely that you'll hear it unless your case is placed just next to you.

>>61076554
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kJ28cc

>>61076390
Go to physical stores and read product specs there.

>>61076314
CPU: Ryzen 5 1500
CPU Cooler: Stock cooler
GPU: Asus RX 580 - DUAL
MOBO: MSI A320M GRENADE
Ram: HyperX Fury (1x8) DDR4-2400 [x2]
Storage: 1TB HDD; 120GB SSD (you are on an extremely tight budget, you shouldn't even have an SSD, be happy with the 120GB SSD though, you'll have a place to store your OS)
PSU: Thermaltake Litepower 350W
Case: DIYPC Solo-T1
Monitor: ViewSonic VA2259-BAKA

>>61076602
ty, and what would be the first thing i'd want to upgrade with this build

>>61073895
>>61074069
780Ti user here, can confirm.

However I'm not experiencing much game ruining stutter yet (it's there, but I'm a patient person), so I await the Vega/Navi/Volta/whatever lineups to be released before I pick it's replacement.. along with the new PC build.
7nm here I come!

>>61076638
>Asus RX 580 - DUAL
:^)

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>>61071677
I'm going to get a 1080ti for my gaming build. I want to liquid cool it.

Which of these options do I choose? And is the higher clock speed worth it?

Thanks. I'm going through Amazon because I work at a fulfillment center and get a 10% discount, but if I can get a better product elsewhere, I'll go there.

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>>61076673

>>61076638
are you retarded? not only you're few hundred $ over his budget but you give him shitty housefire psu.

>>61076681
Where are you finding stock to buy 580 from?

>>61076638
>GPU: Asus RX 580 - DUAL
Yeah.. have fun finding that one.
>MOBO: MSI A320M GRENADE
Absolutely retarded. You can't OC on A320, get B350, it's just slightly more epxensive but absolutely worth ti.
>Ram: HyperX Fury (1x8) DDR4-2400 [x2]
Slow RAM, get faster one. Ryzen wants fast RAM.
>PSU: Thermaltake Litepower 350W
Pure autism. Zero upgrade possibilities and bad PSU

>>61076678
If you are going to liquid cool it then you have 2 options. Buying a 1080ti with an attached liquid cooler like http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-gfx-gtx-1080-ti-liquid-cooled-graphics-card
or buy it seperate and put on the cooler yourself. No need to buy the higher clock one although those are supposed to be "binned" better.

>>61076660
honestly if you're thinking about future upgrades already it would be a good idea to spend some more (total of ~600$) and get ryzen cpu with more cores since that pentium is 2/4 and won't last for years.
both g4560 and 1050ti are already budget parts.

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>>61076564
Yeah I know, but you gotta limit yourself somewhere. Whatever I buy will probably be a upgrade from the EVGA Supernova B1 750W I have now.

>>61076568
You mean for power draw? Say my computer draws 120W and I get the RM750 it should be around 120/750 = 0.16 16% power draw, according to the graph on their site (if it can be trusted) it should be around 89% effective.

My case is on the floor so it's a bit away, but the Corsair one is supposed to stay silent to 300W so it would hopefully be completely quiet. I don't really trust EVGA either since my (see above) told me it should be quiet and have a adaptive fan etc. which was a complete lie.

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>>61071677

that same emachine was my first machine. it was the slowest piece of shit ever. i remember having to wait like 30 minutes for the thing to turn on.
once i turned 18 and got a job i bought a new pc

>>61076285
>>61076423
Okay thanks. Any chance of price drops happening soon or by fall?

>>61076751
some anons mentioned etherium crashing, but i wouldn't count on any price drops for at least another month.

>>61076638
>>61076053
what's happening? why are there so many people recommending shitty builds like that corsair shill (>>61074676).
is it because of summer? i'm already tired of posting here

>>61076678
First off, don't get the founder's edition.

They cook really easily because they only have blower fans, and they tend to be the lowest clocking cards with that chipset. Get a Gigabyte card or something. Just not founder's edition.

About you wanting to liquid cool your GPU, look on amazon for "GPU liquid cooler" and buy the one that will do the best job of cooling based upon it's specs.

>>61076713
>>61076691
>>61076687
>>61076673

I'll fix the PSU and the rest of the issues, but here is one place that still carries them: http://www.microcenter.com/product/478849/radeon_rx-580_rog_overclocked_8gb_gddr5_video_card

Nah, nah, no one carries it though, you're right, that's very low supply, it's as good as sold out already. What about this site? http://www.neobits.com/asus_dual_rx580_o8g_asus_dual_rx580_o8g_radeon_rx_p10759825.html?atc=gbs&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&adpos=1o1&scid=scplp10759825&sc_intid=10759825&gclid=CjwKEAjwvr3KBRD_i_Lz6cihrDASJADUkGCaQPDONSRJEl-gkTET-aM4bcVvueZZy62zoCKPojp8lxoCzEnw_wcB

Nah, it's shady, you definitely aren't getting your card.

What about this site? http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?2695271_g10e

Not shady, has plenty of stock. Nah, can't get it because I say so.

That all of you. I just linked 3 websites where you can buy them. Go ahead. Pig out. Buy them before those sites go out of stock.


CPU: Ryzen 5 1500
CPU Cooler: Stock cooler
GPU: Asus RX 580 - DUAL
MOBO: MSI B350
Ram: HyperX Fury (1x8) DDR4-3000 [x2]
Storage: 1TB HDD; 120GB SSD (you are on an extremely tight budget, you shouldn't even have an SSD, be happy with the 120GB SSD though, you'll have a place to store your OS)
PSU: EVGA 600W
Case: DIYPC Solo-T1
Monitor: ViewSonic VA2259-BAKA

>>61076314
Here you go, if it is too overpriced, I can get it's price down for you.

All the monitor talk in this thread is making me second guess my purchase. I got a BenQ GL2460HM to pair with my 1060 6gb.
Did I make a shit purchase? It was recommended by an anon here and had good reviews so I grabbed it.

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>>61076724
Thanks for your reply. I have checked the link.

What do you recommend? Should I go with the one that already comes with a liquid cooler, or buy it separate and put it on myself?

Should I go with EVGA or Corsair? Which brand do you recommend?

Thanks.

>>61076858
HOLY SHIT.

THEY'RE IN STOCK.

I JUST ORDERED ONE.

GUYS, GET IN ON THIS.

>>61076876
Get the Gigabyte AORUS and buy a separate Corsair GPU liquid cooler.

>>61076858
>Available for In-Store Pickup Only.
>Stock Status: Backordered
you're still going over the budget retard

>>61076876
If you live in the states EVGA for sure.

>>61076858
>AVAILABLE FOR IN-STORE PICKUP ONLY.

>>61076314
> budget
>~$450-500 (I'm in USA btw)
>>61076858
>Buy this 300 dollar GPU
Kill yourself retard.

>>61076858
>>61076918
also
>NextWarehouse.com
>Not shady
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/NextWarehouse
literally a scam

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>>61076957
well then this anon got scammed >>61076914

>>61076914
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125953

Is this what you're talking about? I looked on the page, but didn't see anywhere you would connect a liquid cooler.

I apologize, I haven't done liquid cooling before so this will be my first time.

>>61076921
I live in the states. What are the advantages of EVGA over a Gigabyte AUROS ? Thanks.

>>61076914
>>61076957
RIP

>>61076981
EVGA customer support is fucking great if you live in the states to use it. The minus is they fried a bunch of cards recently.

>>61076858
>in store pickup only
>shady ass website with "backordered" status = no GPU for you
>shady ass website with no status whatsoever, it's "ready to order", have fun waiting 2 months
Nice autism.

>>61076735
Look, I get what you mean but I don't quite understand your priorities. Is your computer passively cooled? If not then literally every other component is going to produce more sound that the PSU fan is.

>>61076341
>i mean you are going over your budget right now.

I don't mind spending the $180 for the gpu and the $200 for the case, however I won't be buying the s4 mini till i can afford it.

>wait for asrock/msi to release their ITX boards. it should happen somewhere in july.

It's worth waiting a month just to see the price, so I think I'll be doing that. Thanks anon.

>you should go with at least 8gb of ram, 3000mhz+

I'll be upgrading that as well as the storage when I feel I need to, however it will probably be one at a time. Link below is the upgrades. (probably going to take me at least 6 months after I put together the build)

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tf4MHN

>>61077069
>4000mhz memory
good luck having any ryzen cpu running that. also it's a waste of money. 3000/3200mhz is the sweet spot, after that prices get unreasonably high.
>2 ssds
for what reason?
>fucking 2tb HYBRID 5400rpm hdd
get this meme out of my face

also if you plan to build 6 months from now just come back in 6 months. so many new shit comes out that every build in this thread may be obsolete by then.

>>61077054
I don't hear anything else than the PSU from my computer. I have 4 Fractal Design fans running at low speeds and a Noctua NH-U9B also running at low speeds, and the R9 290 doesn't really make any sound when idling.
I have tested that I don't hear them with the PSU fan jammed too, so it's not that it drowns them out either.

>>61077139
While idling you shouldn't really be pulling much more than 70W on that setup. If that's enough to make your PSU fan sound enough for you to be bothered by it then either something is wrong with it or you got super hearing. But if going super sized gives you peace of mind then go for it.

>>61076858
That's not how you do that...

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400
CPU Cooler: Stock
Motherboard: MSI - B350M GAMING PRO
RAM: Corsair - Vengeance LPX (2x4) DDR4-3000
STORAGE: Seagate - Barracuda 250GB 3.5"; Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5"
GPU: Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Phoenix
CASE: DIYPC - MA08-BK
PSU: EVGA 600B

>>61076314
Now build it and go away.

>>61077204
This is all you can get on a tight budget.

I hope you aren't planning on playing any triple-A titles from today.

You can play older gen games at over 60 fps at 1080p.

>>61077204
i cant tell if this is a good rig or not

is it?

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>>61077113
>get this meme out of my face

Kek how did you know anon? The entire upgrade is a meme (besides the s4 mini) it's just a place holder until the prices drop for others.

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>>61077204
>Seagate - Barracuda 250GB
>250GB HDD in 2017
>for a desktop

>>61077204
still over budget. did you fail high school or what