AMD Vega

Garbage blog thread kill kys you'reselve

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>>61056924
Instinct cards look even better.

this does not look nice at all

literally completely against every amd color scheme, what..

>>61056952
Are the instinct cards passively cooled or is it cooled with some rack mount trickery?

>>61056970
Passive cooled thanks to server airflow, also headless.

>>61056970
Looks like it'll be using case fans.
>>61056959
Radeon Pro is blue, though.

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>>61056959
Never seen a blue PCB?

>>61056982
i still disagree with blue/yellow color scheme

maybe white+red (non intel/nvidia colors) but blue/yellow is very meh..

>>61056992
pcb doesnt matter to me, but if it's not black it's wrong

>>61056998
Blue is Pro and Yellow is Instinct. FE is sort of like a bridge between them.

>>61056998
They have the Gold/Blue one as well, but I really like this blue one.

>>61057007
>FE is sort of like a bridge between them.
Aka Kepler Titan "the original prosumer"

>>61057022
Yes, and after that nvidia turned Titans into shiny gaymurr toys.

>>61057022
Yeah, they swapped fp64 for fp16 though, since the former now is exclusively become a HPC centric, while fp16 has become the biggest meme of the last few years.

>>61056970
like other anons said, it's "passive" because the entire case has air forced through it by that row of fans up front

the cpus are cooled the same way

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>>61056924
I'm a nigger so I like gold more

>>61057103
ooga booga where da white motherboards at?

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>>61057148
>type white motherboard x370 in Google
>it's all gaymer crud

Fuck this planet

WHAT
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT IF
WHAT IIIIIF


VEGA IS ACTUALLY 20% FASTER THAN A 1080TI
LIKE WHOA

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>>61056924

the power draw sucks at over 300w min but overall it's gonna do fine

Volta looking good but GDDR6

>>61056924>>61056998
the GAYMur card will be nice. you'll like the colours, trust me.

>>61057706
inb4 it's shitty red/black


Give me white/navy blue

>>61057706
It's either black and red or white and red.
>>61057687
We don't really know actual power draw.

>>61057263
ASRock Taichi is nice.

>>61057735
It's half white, like my bread.

>>61057607
AMD sandbagging? not new.

>>61057741
Worked on Intel, but Nvidia actually doesn't sit on its ass.
Honestly AMD should just weather it out until they MCM GPUs, they can't fight Nvidia with bigger dies when Nvidia has more money.

But with MCM they can overwhelm them with cheap silicon in quantities.

>>61057750
>Nvidia actually doesn't sit on its ass
Shame their cardsare overpriced garbage and the ones that are actually wallet friendly aren't even avaiable

>tfw you have to buy a 1060 for a price of a 1080

>>61057750
>Nvidia actually doesn't sit on its ass
They do precisely that, except their marketing division actaully tries to keep the mindshare insted of doing the jew TIM tricks.

>>61057750

Hasn't Nvidia switched to Samsung instead of TSMC?

For once Vega design is fine and with a better image including corp instinct, to hell with all that fine wine curries and cream

>>61057790
No, it's still TSMC.

>>61057790
No, just for a single GPU probably due to capacity

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>>61056924
>>61056959

Don't like the blue.

>>61057843
Dark as my soul these scars they will not EEEL

>>61057843
That looks perfect.

>>61057843
>black_like_my_soul.jpg

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>>61057843
Looks like shit, even this shit looks better.

>>61057865
Black and yellow one from videocardz looked better.

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>>61057865
>240x135
>wccftech

>>61057843
>muh black muh monotone muh linkin park

Oh fuck no, I'm sick of black components

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>>61057865

>>61057865
A Vega for ants?

White shroud + yellow/blue/red LED, that would be perfect, personally.

>>61057263

/g/ has been so against all this gamer shit for so long, because it's retarded to care what you PC components look like; that they have now become what they hate... and care what their PC components look like

>>61057929
>green ugly boards > gayman xtmas trees

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>>61056932

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>>61056924

>glowing R cubes
>watercooling doubles price
>warranty on leakage

release date is June 27th btw in b4 miner zerg rush

the gaymen versions can't get better stock hardware than workstation even w/o driver support

>>61057977
reference won't be better, no question
AiBs might, sapphire will make something good again, they fixed design with 580 taking cool'n'quiet crown back

>>61057977
on the other note, do you think there will be benchmarks from usual outlets for frontier's edition?

>>61058002
XFX might deliver again.

How much is the one that performance like a 1080?

>>61058034
We don't really know.

>>61058034
rumor has it at 400
but we don't even know if rumor about 3 variants is true

>>61057929
Look, I'm not about to buy something that's cheaper and better because it looks worse, I want the cheap option while looking good, white PCBs aren't exactly fucking rare.

>>61058061
Worded that wrong, "I'm not averse to buying uglier shit that's cheaper and better"

build quality/components trumps all.

>>61057843
WHY DO CARD MAKERS KEEP PUTTING THE POWER INPUTS ON THE FRONT!?!?!?!?!?!

>>61058061
>I want the cheap option while looking good
and I want pc components 3 generations ahead

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>>61058019
>>61058034

This is the only workstation bench this far. Better than 1080 is realistic

Beating Titan XP or in between 1080 and 1080 Ti would be great

>>61058082
because a lot people have a lot of HDDs that won't let you put cables properly on the back in smaller case

>>61056992
There is/won't be one for x370?

>>61058108
it all depends on new front end
if they can push that power same way nvidia
beating 1080ti sounds realistic with these numbers

>>61056992
isn't it cheaper to get 16c EPYC than 16c threadripper?

>>61058108
>Better than 1080 is realistic
>while showing the Titan XP getting stomped

>>61058167
Clocks.

>>61058167
Not with EPYC motherboard prices/RDIMM cost

So my gameplan is to buy a Vega 1080 equivalent card and scalp it on Ebay. I just hope buttminers are still hogging up cards.

Anyone else doing this?

>>61056924
>But $1200 nice? Don't think so.

What are you, a poorfag?

>>61058167
No.

>>61058170
it's not new for GCN to stomp nvidia in raw power, issue is to transform raw into useful

>>61058195
>I am going to buy a Radeon BEFORE cryptocucks do
Jej.

>>61058195
>Vega 1080 equivalent
No such thing until late this year, Vega 10 is only out now, Vega 11 is latter

>>61058207
Vega 11 is mid range, it'll be a Polaris refresh.

>>61058204
Making a better non-choking front-end and pushing moar pixels in general were the main ideas behind Vega anyway.

>>61058204
That's when AMD had notably more shaders than Nvidia, if you haven't noticed AMD and Nvidia are pretty equal shader count-wise with Vega, and flops reflect that.

>>61058195
good luck, there are no GPUs to buy at the moment
don't think it will change in month or two
vega will be sold out BEFORE you even think to preorder it

>>61058216
>it'll be a Polaris refresh.
That makes no sense both architecturally and financially, Polaris refresh came out a month ago, they're not doing another "refresh" in November.

Other than the financial nonsense you're spouting, Vega 11 wouldn't even be in the same ballpark performance wise as Polaris.

>>61058206
I've made like $500 in the last month flipping cards I've bought from Newegg when they pop up in stock

>>61058232
We don't know ANYTHING about Vega11.

>vega launchs
>sold out next day
HBM2 shortage + miners are real.

>>61058232
it'll just be polaris clocked at 1500MHz+ with same CU count

>>61058256
Vega has nothing to do with Polaris you idiot.

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>>61057865

>>61058255
>HBM2 shortage
Wut? The HBM dies are piss small and Samsung has near limitless water capacity for memory.
>>61058256
Wut? Vega is Vega.

>>61058251
It's gonna be a 40-44CU part with GDDR6/5X
Actually 6 might be more possible than 5X since we found out Volta is still GDDR5X

>>61058266
That looks decent, but I'd wish it would be white shroud and red LEDs.

Serious question. When will GPU's be back in stock. I picked a horrible time to try and upgrade.

>>61058266
Wow, is that the bled blood after trying to stick your dick into the CPU cooler?

I'd buy it though, looks real nice.

>>61058279
Or Samsung can pull out a low-cost HBM out of their asses. The one they promised at HotChips 2016.

>>61058290
Nah, HBM3 still isn't in risk production, no way it's coming out before late 2018 or early 2019
GDDR6 is more than enough for $300+ GPUs

>>61058300
I'm not talking about HBM3. I'm talking low-cost HBM2 version with lower TSV count. The one Samsung promised.

srsly managing to get a flagship card without going through the quadro price is willie wonka golden ticket tier wtf

just x299 style rfid gpus to balance the market and yield more, no artificial shortages like pascal

afaik at least instinct is up and running and AMD won't sell non enterprise gimped chips as flagships on launch

>>61058228
really? my local store has 8gig 580s for 330€, i know for a fact they have at least 20 cards currently.

>>61058317
Wasn't that Samsung's HBM3? Anyway, practically nothing is heard about it, and Vega 11 are already in production for a while, it's too early.

>>61058329
No, it was low-cost HBM. Samsung estimates ~2020 for volume HBM3 production.

>>61058300
>>61058317

This is typically what Nvidia is pushing, DX12/Vulkan isn't ready bc we're late on async so GDDR6 is enough and HBM2/3 is too expensive

look at the bus width and HBM controllers are a new territory

>>61056924
>16 pin monstrosity that probably thermal throttles itself if you don't run ref blower fans at 4000 RPM.

Why AMD has to fuck everything up? Even the faster ref 1080 Ti includes 14 pins.

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>>61056932
>kill kys you'reselve

this meme amuses me

>>61058360
You're assuming a lot.

>>61058360
After the issues with the 480 at launch, they're playing it safe.

>>61058360
Njewia jewing on power deliver on ref cards is nothing new. It also has nothing to do with Vega's power draw.
>>61058359
NVIDIA will never have proper async due to their fear of second thermi.

>Vega blue
>1450MHz stock clock, 1600MHz boost clock

>Vega gold
>1450MHz stock clock, 1840MHz boost clock

>>61058360

The clocks levels are surprisingly low which is good perf so throttling would be doubtful

>>61058386
That sounds reasonable. And in line with AMD measring tflop rating with base clocks.

>>61056924
yeah what were amd thinking with the color scheme? its sonic tier without the speed

>>61058386
That would explain Gold one's performance, that would demolish a Titan XP

>>61058414
It's blue of Radeon Pro and yellow of Radeon Instinct.

>>61058419
>explain Gold price

>>61058414
They're just showing how cucked they are by imitating Swedish colors

>>61058420
wow they did terrible marketing instinct, first time hearing of it. Sort of the same with pro too. Still, the blue yellow looks utterly terrible.

>>61058455
sweden

>>61058419

in b4 bios flashed to gold

>>61058455

We're going to drop this pajeet fanboy shilling and starship design our roadmap to the stars meme, the design is really good and as you swedish design is a ref

In part besides enterprise vr promotion memes, the redesign explains the delay over the vega is vega presentation

>>61058491
>marketing ML cards
AMD is not nvidia, their life is not dependant on marketing and memes.

>>61058491
Instinct is a headless server GPU, not really that useful for consumers since they have the Frontier edition

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>>61058281
>>61058287
this design brought to you by dbrand

>>61058505
>flash bios to gold
>it melts though the case
not a good idea

>>61058530
just do black with details in red and white leds

>>61058530
Needs blue and the coat of arms of Croatia and I'd buy

>>61057103
This look like some surreal meme stuff

>>61058535

quite sure depending on blue asic it's flashable to gold which is nearly double the price, itt aren't they out of stock right now

>>61058521
even marketing it at all really, is it meant to compete with the quadro or whats the go?

>>61058530
looks so much better. although personally not a fan of useless leds on everything

>>61058570
this is supposed to go on small form factor servers

they showcased a 2U server with 100 tflops of computing power, 7 of those gpus

this is probably the high end workstation one https://www.amd.com/Documents/Radeon-Pro-SSG-Technical-Brief.pdf

>>61058232
>Vega 11 wouldn't even be in the same ballpark performance wise as Polaris.

We don't know anything about Vega11.
We don't know any real performance numbers from Vega10 either for that matter.

And it is entirely within the realm of possibility for AMD to do another rebrand, making Polaris => Vega11. It's not like they haven't done rebrands every generation ever since the past 4-5 years.

>>61057103
>>61058559

surreal memes over pajeet cucks

>>61058592

Nah the 5 series were already an extension to fund vega and prepare for instinct while keeping the ryzen momentum, they don't need another round of funding

>>61058570
Instinct = headless, competes with Tesla in fp32/fp16
Instinct = prosumer, if Titan was still a prosumer card it would compete against it, otherwise it has no real competition, DOES NOT use professional drivers.
RX = gaymer shit
Pro WS/SSG = competes with Quadro, has pro drivers

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This is the pro Vega card with proper certified drivers, ECC and application profiles, not Instinct.
Funny how everyone forgot to mention this.

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>>61058555

>>61058656
I'd be lying if I said it doesn't look good.

>>61058643
Man, AMD's release cadence is all outta whack.

>first release the prosumer card, which isn't really pro but hey who cares, called frontier.
>then release the datacenter card, called instinct
>then release the gaymer card, called RX
>then release the workstation stuff, called Vega Pro, but lets also market frontier under pro because why not

>>61058693

all about yields, testing and fulfilling demand

>>61058643

>2TB NVMe

they actually did it, called this out last year

>>6105864
Now this will be interesting for any kind of large dataset, 8k video scrubbing

btw how much is vega rumored to cost?

>>61058409
>That sounds reasonable
>1840mhz
>520mm^2
>14nm LP
>reasonable

>>61058831
rx vega? 500 usd

>>61058843
1060 is made on 14nm LP and it can reach 2000MHz, GCN's only limit was its pipeline depth, Vega was made for higher clocks.

>>61058869
it would explain 300w peak

>>61058591
i dont really get small form factor servers? it only seems useful in warehouse type scenarios.

>>61058884
Its hardware is also more powerful than a Titan XP, so it using more power is excusable.

>>61058895
Renting a huge server room in the city is not cheap, density is important.

>>61058656
10/10

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>>61058656

MY FUCKING SIDES!

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4 deutschland lauern xoxo

>>61058954
>>61058969
thank

Why does /g/ hate gamers again?

Okay, can anyone feel the dissonance here?
We got a $1200-1700 cards.
They're not professional, ergo don't use pro drivers, meaning AMD didn't attach that in cost.
But the base cards costs MORE than a Titan XP.
Meanwhile AMD's latest two releases, Zen and Polaris, offered a lot of performance for cheap.

So either these cards
- Perform like fucking mad
- Are just overpriced and have worse performance than Titan XP

I don't think it's the latter, and AMD forgot to price its product properly in the span of 5 weeks.

>>61059005
There's also that comment from AMD how Vega will bring the same disruption to the GPU market as Ryzen did back during computex, what the fuck is going on here?

>>61059117
Just Wait-o™

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>>61059133
it will be on par if not better than a 1080 ti while being cheaper than one

>>61058656
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/nvidia-employees-bring-dogs-142815668.html
0:37

>>61059117
It's not really that farfetched, if Vega has the same flop/fps ratio as Tahiti did, it would beat the 1080Ti by over 20% at 1600MHz, and it can probably go higher.
What if it can go 1700MHz and has higher flop/fps ratio? The 1080ti would be crushed, and AMD doesn't have 60% margins to keep.

The latter sounds unrealistic, but do keep in mind Vega is literally the same shit as Fury X but clocked much higher, with Maxwell features and bottlenecks removed, it would not be too strange for its tflop/fps perf to be higher than Tahiti.

But I'm too accustomed to AMD fucking up, and I don't believe they'll hit a homerun on both Vega and Ryzen in the span of 3 months.

>>61059147
let's be reasonable here
the fact that we have leaks exactly opposite to hype compared to polaris is reassuring, but...

>>61059174
If it happens then you pretty much got the biggest technological turnaround in history.

It was enough to spank Intel, doing the same to Nvidia would be icing on the cake

>>61056952
>tfw you're dreaming about a mi25

>>61059272
How much are they gonna cost though.. 3k a pop?

>>61058975
>those eyes
top kek

>>61059195
Basically, they need to pull another R300.

>>61059281
lol i doubt they'll cost more than 2k

it's not nvidia we're talking about after all

>>61059839
This and Vega10 is some ~480mm^2.

>>61056932
kek

>>61059839
Turbojew LCS costs $1700 and it's not even a pro card, you're telling me certified HPC cards won't cost $2000? Bullshit

>>61059839
Probably way cheaper than P100. It has the same amount of performance in a smaller form factor but deep learning is so slanted towards CUDA it's ridiculous, though with ROCm HIP things are going to be shaken up. It's going to be an absolute monster for HPC on OpenCL though; can't wait™ for Vega 20.

>>61060200
Vega20 is dead, anon. Navi is probably closer than we expected.

>>61057728
Comments from an MSI engineer on some taiwanese forum mentioned Vega being thirsty.

>>61060361
He also said something something performance too.

>>61060361
Any 4096ALU card on 14nm node will.be thirsty, anon.

Whats the odds i can actually get one of these cards and preorders won't be wiped out by miners?

>>61060586
Bits and Shits said Polaris cards are still more value for mining.

>>61060599
Well, i mean the consumer ones, rather than the 1k workstation cards.

Which i hope start at $400

>>61057888
It's the die shrink

>>61060586
380x/390x/fury x/570/580 all mine about the same speed. Miners won't be going after the this unless the price is extremely attractive.

>>61059153
Cute AF

>>61060760
you say that, but in half of the world it's impossible to buy even 1080tis

January 2017
>"Vega is at LEAST on par with the 1080, if not better!"
>May 2017
>"Vega is at LEAST on par with the 1080ti, if not better!"
>June 2017
>"It's all about price for performance. Like a 1070 for $200. Wait for Navi."

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>>61061851
I think you got him.

>>61061851
I'd rather have a Vega at 1080ti speeds at $400 than Vega 10-15%+ faster than a 1080ti at $600+

>>61061941
So how powerful were people speculating Vega would be at the start of the year? They were comparing it to the 1080. When the 1080ti came out, and was 20%-30% faster than a 1080, you say people were still comparing it to the 1080? No, even in this thread, people compare it to the 1080ti.

Now articles come out saying price/performance is what Vega is all about. That's non-PR speak for moderate performance for cheap.

>>61062039
Just means it's not going to have shit price/performance like the 1080 ti.

>>61062039
>That's non-PR speak for moderate performance for cheap.

You mean like with Ryzen performing like a $1000 BDW-E at 40% the cost(CPU only)

>>61056924
if you give a shit about how a fucking computer card looks you're just as bad as anyone who buys into the RGB LED xxXULtimateXSephirothAbyssXxx disco show

don't buy a case with a side panel nerd

>>61062957
>don't buy a case with a side panel
Sure, I'll just let dust freely go into my case.

>>61058414
Looks good to me

>>61059153

Fucking comfy. +1 nvidia