/pcbg/ - PC Building General - Intel housefire edition

NO MORE 1060s OR 580s!

>>61036716
Speaking of Intel house fires, why did my old full power Phenom II X4 965 at 125w run cooler under loads than my brother's stock i5-4670k with a beefier cooler under a similar load?

WITH JEWS, GPU LOSE

>>61036782
fan profiles are a thing.

>>61036782
VMAX

AMD used to be 70C
Intel always been 100C

A little bird just informed me that there will be a restock of RX cards at the end of this month. Get ready.

>>61036873
Etherium crash when?

>>61036873
fuck off

go erp in the ff14 general or something.

>>61036873
it's irrelevant if they only stay on stock for half an hour.
if the miners don't get them all, then the scalpers will

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So if I disabled pagefile and ran bf1 and it crashed while loading a map that means I need more RAM right?

I have 8gb but apparently it's not enough?

>>61036890
Never. GPU will go back to normal when it becomes vulnerable to ASIC.

>>61036898
You need a pagefile even if you have enough RAM. That is just how some programs work. Set it to the minimum is better than not having a pagefile.

>>61036898
>I disabled pagefile
don't do this.

>>61036929

I know I'm just trying to pinpoint my stuttering problem in games so I temporarily removed it to see how much RAM I was using.

It gave low memory warning and crashed when pagefile was disabled. Does this mean I need more than 8gb?

>>61036949
This is a stupid way to monitor RAM usage. A better method is to play the game and then bring up task manager to see peak RAM usage over a duration of time and see if that is the issue.

>>61036949
Depending what the hell you're doing in the background anon, probably.

>>61036967

2gb of ram is being used at idle. Besides that no programs besides BF1 were running.

>>61036990
Do this >>61036963
Bring up task manager right now and go to the performance tab. And monitor it yourself.

>>61036990
>2gb of ram is being used at idle
Well cleaning up your install should help. Fresh Windows 10 takes like 1.2GB.

I just asked in sqt, but I figure it belongs here more-

Built PC, on first boot the CPU fan comes on and light-up logo on video card comes on, but I get no video signal from and port on either the card or motherboard. What's going wrong?

>>61037076
plug in the 6-pin

>>61037103
I've got two 6 pins plugged into the video card

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>>61037002

Okay did that for 5 minutes

this is msi afterburner and task manager says 7.4 out of 7.9

Definitely need more ram right?

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Which build pcbg?

Fight

>>61037161
Ryzen

>>61037076
Start pulling parts until it POSTS
pull gpu then ram then HDDs until it posts

>>61037120
Does it happen to take a 6 and an 8 and you just used two sixes?
Other than that, clear CMOS, reseat card, RMA.

>>61037161
ive never heard of those ram or ssd manufactures before for the ryzen side

>>61037076
check CPU power cable
check RAM seating
sometimes it isn't the GPU

>>61037182
Yeah, this. I didn't see this was a new build and not just a new GPU.
Pull the graphics card and try integrated without it.

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>>61037161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qC3w3UUkU

Go away.

>>61036738
So now what, fall back on two previous generation GPUs like the Nvidia 970s or AMD 380s/460s? Don't tell me those are gone too.

>>61037208
and if he doesn't have integrated? such as a Ryzen?
what if it's his RAM that's the problem? They don't come overclocked out the box and sometimes cause problems
there was that one anon who had a problem with his 3000MHz RAM, if he put in both sticks the computer wouldn't POST properly, but with one stick it POSTed

>>61037231
980's and 480's.

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I'm pretty illiterate when it comes to building computers, and I was trying to put some research into budge PC building, for something at least around a $600 range, and I found this build put up on a site.

The thing is, I'm an amateur dev and hope to use my new PC for things like unreal engine 4 and running more demanding games. Will this build shown be capable of running more recent games, and running demanding game engines like Unreal?

Is it worth to buy a rx 460 for a 1440x900 resolution? My 2 year old r7 265 died, and I can only find this rx on stock. Still have a Phenom II 965 though and I was expecting, a least, 60 fps on games.

>>61037258
go pentium instead of 13, read the op
or go an extra 50 bucks and get the 1400 ryzen

>>61037250
Those are gone too. And the 980 is so not worth it compared to a 1070.

>>61037182
>>61037186
>>61037207
>>61037208

According to the Post LEDs on the motherboard, the CPU is the issue. Am I toast?

>>61037258
Since you're actually going into programming on a budget go with ryzen.

>>61037270
Plenty good enough for that res.

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>>61037258
>200 dollars for a 3gb 1060

>>61037304
what motherboard is this and post an image

>>61037291
>>61037309
Thanks for the tip, I'll go ahead and spring for a 1400 ryzen then.

>>61037318
Why's that surprising? Can you get it for less or something?

>>61037134
Yeah. Consider getting more RAM.

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>>61037321
Asus STRIX Z270i board, I can't see any obviously bent pins

>>61037258
If you're going to get a 1060, don't get the 3GB model. Get the 6GB of try finding a RX580 or 480. (AMD will give you more futureproof fetures such as better DX12/Vulkan support)

Don't get the core i3, get the Pentium G4560, it's basically a cheaper i3. virtually the same performance, and it's a newer generation (7th)

Otherwise, your build is fine.

>>61037270
460 would actually be overkill for that resolution anon.

>>61037331
>Why's that surprising? Can you get it for less or something?
I assumed it around 150 dollars but looking on amazon/newegg I guess the miners got to them because they are all like 600 dollars

>>61037357
>try finding a RX580 or 480.
It's not hard to find one, it's just they are 450+ right now

>>61036738
Bought my 1060 for $240, could I sell it for a profit now?

This is gonna be straight up for gaming. How does it look ?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GYVqM8

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Are these literally the worst PC fans ever made? Are they the most overrated fans ever made?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjthLoGn0ts

All the reviews are like 'dude they move so much air xddd', 'dude they're so quiet xddd'. They don't mention the fact that the motors are the noisiest garbage on the planet. Right down to the 500rpm or so minimum speed they'll spin at they emit a fucking annoying tapping noise, no matter what rpm they are at the tapping is always louder than the air they are moving. They are fucking pointless.

Also somewhat relatedly, has anyone tried the new Corsair ML fans? I'd get some but they are PWM only because of how they work, and I don't have enough PWM headers.

>>61037393
Just trying to play anything and everything desu

>>61037383
ebay says probably, but they fucking suck to sell through

>>61037393
You have money to burn. Just get the 1700x if you are going to get the Noctua anyway.

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>>61037258
Thank me later
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4jPyd6

>>61037393
It will do good but it's a lot of wasted money

>>61037445
>ebay says probably, but they fucking suck to sell through
How so?

>>61037488
>1 x 8GB vs 2 x 4GB

>>61037495
They get a percentage cut for what you sell and still make you pay for shipping, despite saying that the price to list is 0. I have to pay 40 dollars for something that was sold for 409. Minus the postage, so I got around 390 before the 'you listed something and actually sold it' fee

>>61037488
Thanks! This looks pretty good, but again, I have no idea about computer parts. Glad to see someone actually rework the build but keep it at a reasonable price.

My 1080ti has GPU sag.
Do I have to worry about GPU sag?
Or is it just aesthetics?

>>61037573
Aesthetics.

Be glad you don't have a triple slot 7970.

>>61037573
aesthetics unless it rips itself free of it's slot (it won't)
if you care about it a lot you can gpu bolster for it which aren't that expensive

>>61037530
two dimm slots I think

What's the recommended extra PSU wattage? 100 more than expected? 50%? Does that include overclocking demands?

>>61037709
Why would you think your overclocking wouldn't be expected?

>>61037494
Why is that ?

>>61037393
That heatsink is pretty obnoxious for just air, I wouldn't pay more than 50 bucks for a heatsink for myself though
Don't get that case. It has god awful airflow and you'll choke your parts to death.

>>61037321
So I double checked, no bent pins, the CPU tray was aligned correctly, lever arm was down tight, cleaned and reapplied paste, pulled CMOS and waited for discharge.

Still showing solid red for CPU. Quick google shows a lot of results of this for ASUS boards.

Now what? Without another board or another CPU how do I find out which is the issue?

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>>61037572
My final version, now it has a faster dual slot RAM. It's $620, but much faster than the initial i3 build you made.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W8FWvV

> 4 cores /8 threads
> 4GB 1050ti
> 8GB 2666MHz DDR4
> 120GB SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD
> Corsair 450W
Pretty decent build tbqh, you can't get any better than this, I assure you!

Good night!

>>61037258
see: >>61037754

>>61037754
Thank you! I can understand upping the price a bit, when I posted it here I knew that it would need some revision, to be honest I'm surprised that it went up by so little while still getting a performance boost.

>>61037754
>Corsair 450W
Sketchy asf tho

>>61037733
R7 1700 doesn't offer any advantage over an R5 1600 for gaming, you don't need a NH-D15 to cool any Ryzen CPU, x370 is pointless if you don't need the extra PCIe lanes, 3200MHz memory for gaming only benefits you if you have high refresh rate screen, you can find cheaper 500GB SSDs that perform only slightly slower, the build doesn't use 750w, buying two 140mm fans when your case already has three is also pretty pointless

If you still wanna go NH-D15 then get a D15-S to ensure you have enough clearance for your RAM otherwise you might have to unscrew the heatsinks or put the fan higher up (which is what i did)

>>61037811
Still is 26USD WITH the 80plus bronze, i don't think a cheaper one is possible

>>61037787
>while still getting a performance boost.
Not for gaming as he downgraded to a 1050ti

>>61037829
PSU and cheaper don't go together.
Might as well get diablotek then.

>>61037753
You can't. Call the retailer and see how they want to do the RMA. They may know there's an issue with that mobo.

>>61037836
I assume that's not going to drastically lower the amount of performance though? Like, I'm not looking for some godlike PC capable of running everything at 60fps, I understand the limitations of doing a budget build, so that'll at least still reasonably run a modern game without making the graphics start chugging?

>>61037716
To put it bluntly: according to Part Picker, my build weighs in at ~550W, and I've got a 650 PSU. Is that going to be enough? Do I need more of a buffer?

>>61037886
You'll be fine with that build, anon, I'd take it over the original one you had any day.

>>61037892
Good enough. Just don't OC anything over the top

>>61037825
Alright thank you for explaining, I'll trying making some adjustments.

>>61037886
Well, don't expect maxing games at all (unless old ones or e-sports)
The diffference between a 1060 and 1050ti is pretty big.

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>>61037910
Well I certainly don't expect max settings, though it'll be better than what I'm currently forced to use by default.

At least with this, I can just wait a couple months and if necessary, get the 1060 and to replace the one in this build.

best ryzen 1600 build to watch on youtube to learn how to put together all the components? I cant figure out psu cables and what mobo standoffs are

>>61037875
Well apparently there's a pretty widespread issue with this board that involves the CPU light coming on and refusing to Post from cold boot, somehow linked to XMP and the RAM. I tried booting both with one stick and with no RAM to no avail.

>>61037985
Read your manual

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HQDCWX

to play GTAV and Dark Souls

>>61038064
Buy it faggot. Buy it and post the picture here.

>>61038064
Good build. Nothing wrong with it

>>61037910
even Intel graphics maxes out e-sports anon, the 1050ti will get 60fps full hd on most games easily. just turn off AA.

>>61038143
>even Intel graphics maxes out e-sports anon
That's not what my personnal experience indicated me at all

>>61038064
wait for threadripper + Vega

>>61038156
I mean, Iris Pro maxes out LoL and Dota at 1080p

>>61038180
LoL can't be compared with Dota engine wise. LoL is a piece of shit cobbled together that even my toaster can make out.

>>61038064
If you're gonna go all out might as well go ALL OUT
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RN6nBP

>>61038243
If you are going ALL OUT you might want to get Kikesync monitors for your Nvidia SLI 1080ti over Freesync.

>>61037754
I know the whole point was upgradability, but
>you can't get any better than this
caught my interest, so I couldn't resist.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H74tFd

The SSD is only placeholder. I know where you can get a $50 Sandisk one, but if you want to stick with pcpartpicker exclusively then Kingston will do. I could have gotten a cheaper HDD but you picked WD for a reason, I assume, so I stuck with your pick. The guy can get a cheaper case for under $25 if he doesn't care about the N200.

I call it the "I'm The Type to Wait for Price Drops" machine.

>>61038304
>Year of the Lord + 2017
>Still getting AM3+ CPU

>>61038304
That's much worse man

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>>61038304
Forgot pic.

>>61038327
I know. I wanted to see what the cheapest quad core build with the same specs (almost) you can make. Doesn't mean I would ever pay for it.

>>61038340
Except that the G4560 outperforms the FX-4300 without requiring a custom cooler.

>>61036949
download sysinternals
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb795533.aspx
pinpoint what is using the ram at the time you are playing and if this process is also using the gpu

>>61038388
BF1 minimum requirements is 8GB. And since I assume he isn't playing on minimum setting, 8 GB is pushing the limits and probably the cause of the stuttering.

>>61038407
there are a lot that can affect it that he might not be aware of them

>>61038422
Like? This CPU and GPU are both above the recommended requirement

>>61038428
the most usual cause is latency between hdd/ssd and cpu gpu
others can be something is using the hdd(if he has a hdd)
the card might be throttling
the ram speed might be not suitable
literally there are million of things i can write down even early stages of PSOD (unlikely but who knows..)

>>61038460
It could be. But those reasons are harder and more complex to diagnose vs well you are playing on ultra/high with specs meant for a low setting.

>>61038476
yeah but playing on high with low specs are a recipe for mini freezes not stutters there is a difference

>>61038494
Or it might. You don't know that either.

>>61038508
well there is a simple difference actually

in the situation of mini freeze the input lag skyrockets because the gpu cant feed the monitor fast enough

>>61038559
He is already hitting near max RAM usage here >>61037134. It is not hard to image that the PC is downthrottling something to make sure there is still some RAM in reserve.

>>61038574
why on earth he has 11gb of page file? put it on 4 or at least 6 max

>>61038590
That might be cause of the stuttering as well. The system is running out of RAM and moves stuff to the pagefile which is inherently slower hence causing the stutter as data transfers between the RAM modules and the Pagefile.

>>61038610
page file always gets used when the least used "pages" are on ram more than 30 seconds i assume he has a lot of stuff running in the background that some of them are really heavy
he really needs to run sysinternals he has a lot of shit running
(assuming he has a hdd and not an ssd

>>61038574
Nope. All BF1 >>61036990
Read this. Which makes it a RAM issue.

>>61038645
task manager doesnt show everything that is running on the cpu or the gpu...
he might have a cryptomining worm running without him realising it

>>61038656
A cryptomining worm that occurs only when he turns on BF1? How likely is that? And a cryptomining is going to cause more issues than mere stuttering.

>>61038680
he doesnt show gpu usage on the ss so i just throwing out ideas
besides its not unlikely although difficult

>>61038697
How about well done you fucking moron?

>Thermal paste when CPU cooler has one pre-applied
>Razer shit
>RGB keyboard

>>61038805
>What is already having the thermal paste for other pcs and this when ever i change it

Seriously you act like thermal paste is permanent fucking idiot.

>What is having this mouse for 4 years
Why the fuck would i get a new one? It was the only Bluetooth gaming mouse ever at that time.

>Cheap good gaming keyboard with backlighting
You're seriously fucking dense. Enjoy your non-backlit clacky bs.

When using PCpartpicker I always see stuff about mail in rebates, how do you even use those?

>>61038840
>Seriously you act like thermal paste is permanent fucking idiot.
What kind of pleb doesn't already have thermal paste. Babby's first PC?

>Bluetooth gaming mouse
KYS

>Backlit in the year 2017
KYS

>>61038844
>Receive item
>Comes with rebates in them that you have to mail in
>Mail them in
>?????
>Profit

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>>61038865
>What kind of pleb doesn't already have thermal paste. Babby's first PC?
Is he stupid for buying thermal paste or for not doing it sooner? Which one is it anon?

>>61038879
He should already have thermal paste lying around. Do you know how fucking long it takes to finish 1 fucking tube?

>>61038865
Dude, do you just buy thermal paste and stare at it or something? I fucking use the shit and clearly i needed to buy more.

Sure let me get 20 different mice for my computers instead of buying just one to use for them all. Throwing money away is great yeah?

>Not liking backlit keyboard
Fucking super soldier over here, guessing you're spec ops eh? Only doing night time raids with your perfect night vision?

Greatest/g/usertof2017/10
You deserve a reward.

>>61038892
>Needing backlight to type in the dark
>Needing even fucking to look at his keyboard before he types
>Bluetooth "gaming" mice
Look at this moron and laugh.

>>61038888
This is literally the most retarded shit I've seen in 2017 on /g/. Fucking dude thinks people are made of thermal paste.

>Watch me shit on this guy for buying them paste
Is this /g/ anymore?

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>>61038888
>He should already have thermal paste lying around.
Then why did you imply that thermal paste was useless when the cooler already has it pre-applied?
>Thermal paste when CPU cooler has one pre-applied
I think you need to stop bullying him anon

>>61038914
>>61038908
Nah. I will shit on the retard that is clearly backpedalling and bought thermal paste because he thought he needed it vs needing it in the future aka 1 year from now. I mean who the fuck buys a RGB keyboard or bluetooth gaming mouse except absolute morons.

>>61038914
>Bullying
Not much bullying when the dude is embarrassing himself the entire way.

>>61038939
How long did it take for you to look at your keyboard and type that friendo?

>>61038931
>>61038952
Someone is clearly jealous tonight. Did you forget your meds kiddo?

>>61038963
>RGB keyboard
>Lets take piece of hardware that can last for years and add LEDs that can break from anywhere between 6 months and a year
>And charge a premium for it as well
Why would I be jealous of your retardation?

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>>61038931
You're the one backpedalling anon, first stating that he shouldn't buy thermal paste when the cooler has it pre-applied, then shaming him for not already having thermal paste at hand (even though the cooler already has-it pre-applied), and then you say he should already have thermal paste lying around and go on to say how long it takes to finish 1 tube in order to shame him in the case he had a thermal paste tube in the past but used it up
And now you move on to his keyboard and bluetooth to not divert the attention from you stupidly bullying for wrong reasons
It's ok anon, everyone do mistakes, we won't shame you for admitting you did one

>>61038976
I told him he didn't have to buy paste, he replied he needed it because it didn't last forever, showing that he doesn't have thermal paste around which means it is his first babby build. How am I wrong?

Putting aside the thermal paste, fucking bluetooth "gaming" mouse from razer and a RGB keyboard are both fucking retarded shit. And he complains about not being able to type in the dark due to not having vision further showing this is his first build.

Looking at this thread comments. I feel bad for buying a backlight keyboard...
It was on sale. So i couldn't resist it...

>>61039009
>Lets pay more to reduce the lifespan of my keyboard

>>61039013
It wasn't all that more expensive than a normal one tho.

>>61039027
So you got a shit RGB keyboard? Nice.

>>61038967
>$50 is a premium
Nigga what?

>>61038996
Nigga thermal paste needs to be changed. How old is your shit? Also if you really want to know, I'm need it to clean up my old system to sell and after i run this setup for a month in delidding and there you go, I'll need thermal paste and i don't use my artic silver 5 i keep tubes of on my own shit.

>"Gaming"
Do you not know what that word means or something? And you act like all current major mouses arent going wirelessly.

>Backlit isn't my preference so I'm going to shit on others for it
You're special kind of something aren't you.

>>61039046
>Look at me
>I am so experienced with computer
>But I have to look at my keyboard to type
>Its a preference
How long did it take for you to write that post? I mean typing with 2 fingers and eyes on your keyboard must be hard.

Hi guys, I bought a asus z270 ar and a i7 7700k with some viper ddr4 ram 3300 and get all lights but the cpu fan won't turn on.

Any hints or suggestions? Anything other than maybe your cpu header is broke?

>>61039059
I mean yeah who fucking types with there fingers "properly" placed on the keyboard? It's literally the slowest way to type.

>>61039082
You need backlit keyboards to type man. How else are you gonna SEE which keys you are pressing.

>>61039077
>CPU fan won't turn on
Check your connections. Even if your shit doesn't post, fans will still spin on and then spin off.

Whats going to be my best upgrade for least money, these are my current specs:

>AMD FX-8350
>4GB GTX 680
>16GB DDR3 Corsair Gold Ram
> 500GB Samsung 840 Evo SSD
> 3TB WD Red

pls help

>>61039092
Repeating the same thing over and over isn't going to make what you say right. You lost dude, you're bad at cyber bullying. Try again another day. :)

>>61039121
I can see why you are good at dealing with cyberbullying. You just look away from the screen. Natural movement for someone who has to look at his keyboard to type.

>>61039114
That's probably the best you can do unless you have a decent board and cooler to overclock. Otherwise, I'd go straight to Ryzen.

>>61039139
>Going on /g/ with his pc
If you're on fucking /g/ rn with your pc you're a fucking loser .

>Sent from my nexus 6p

>>61039150
>The I am pretending to be retarded trick
Big boy posted his build on /g/ only for people to discover he needs to look at his keyboard to type. Not so big now anymore huh?

>>61039163
>Let me keep repeating myself because i think I'm winning this fight guise
Seriously though, people go on /g/ other than when they are on the shitter?

>>61039177
>Let's continue to deflect cause I am a huge babby that needs RGB keyboard to type

>>61039114
(you)

>>61039114
id suggest upgrading to at least a Phenom II 955 and an Ati All in Wonder x1900

>>61039188
>Watch me steer the conversation away from when i was being autistic and shilling you never need to change thermal paste
I feel sorry for your pc temps dude. Have you ever changed thermal paste in your life? You think every stock pc that already has thermal paste in it is good? Feel sorry for your ac trying to cool your house when your shit Burns to New levels.

>>61039212
How long did it take for you to type that?

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>>61039212
>>61039216
STOP FIGHTING YOU IDIOTS

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>>61039216
Pretty quick since i use swype ;)

Which 1080Ti model should I buy?

>>61039241
Asus. Best cooling of the rest and looks the best. Other than that performance is the same of them all.

>>61039233
Now I feel bad for bullying you. Its 4am. You should be in bed instead of being bullied on /g/ of all places.

>>61039190
why?

>>61039241
Asus Strix or MSI gaming

>>61039247
I'm on watch, I'm not allowed to be in bed.

>>61039251
He's meming you. Either overclock or get Ryzen/Kaby Lake.

Satan Satan will be done

Satan Satan

Current spex:
Fx8350@stock cos raisins
gtx1070 MSI
24gb (2x8+2x4) RAM
Samsung 240GB SSD
sandisk 1x240 and 1x480gb SSD
120GB HDD

What do to upgrade so I can play project cars 2?

>>61039260
Good luck anon. Watch out for the anti-vice.

>>61039247
>Bullying
Aren't you just being an autistic dumbass trying to dick on someone for buying thermal paste them changing the subject to his preferences because you contradicted yourself?

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>Order corsair hynix based ram for ryzen build not knowing any better because what the fuck is a QVL
>Cant get clock speeds up to spec, stuck at 133
>Try new bios
>Now PC wont post with both DIMMs in
>Do some research and figure shit out
>Order some G.Skill Samsung B-Die based ram from newegg
>File for a return on amazon
>Gonna be stuck without a proper computer for a few days until this new ram comes in
>Mfw

I regret giving AMD another chance.

>>61039291
GPU.

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Can someone tell me if my build is trash or not. I need an ~$800 PC. Gonna be playing games on it, but not looking to max out Crysis or anything. Gonna also need it to be powerful for when I might need it (like mining).

As for the HDD, I'm gonna steal it from my current desktop. It's a 7200 rpm 1tb. I'll upgrade later.

>>61039309
>Make a mistake you could have avoided
>Fuck AMD
AMD can't fix people being stupid

>>61039246
>>61039257
What about EVGA ?

>>61039316
>Buying anything msi
Good luck dealing with the supervisor Henry when you need your shit rma'd.

>>61039291
CPU+Motherboard

>>61039329
/G/ always shits on evga for starting house fires. So idk too much about that desu. I just know asus has been really good lately with their products.

>>61039332
What motherboard would you recommend?

>>61039329
Only if you reside in US to leverage their CS. And if you can overlook them frying GPUs.

>>61039353
Anything but msi. You'll thank me in the long run. I had to rma a product with them 3 times and every time i had to deal with henry the shit fuck supervisor because:
1: shipped my product to someone else and that someone else's product to me
2: tore up my boxing of my product
3: gave me back my product covered with dirt and with out a soft mesh sleeve i shipped it with
4: kept a part that was mine when i paid full price for a nice part to replace it with and told them i wanted the old part back
5: take over a month to rma anything
6: told me if i don't like how they handle my product i purchased from them for thousands of dollars i should go somewhere else

>>61039316
I forgot to mention. The CPU is a Ryzen 1500x

>>61039537
Pony up for the 1600

>>61039552
>>61039537
This. Either be a punk bitch and stick with the 1400 to overclock or get the 1600.

>>61039576
>stick with the 1400 to overclock o
what

>>61039584
All Ryzen can overclock

>>61039552
My budget barely allows for $800. Getting the 1600 would put me at $900.

Is there that much of a difference that an additional $60 is worth it?

>>61039655
The 1600 is only $20 more than the 1500x
Yes, it's definitely worth the price. It's a 6 cores CPU.

>>61039655
By the time you can buy a 580, the price would have come down. Assuming that the price comes down and 580 can be found in stock again.

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>>61039665
>>61039666
So how does this look now

Guys, I think I fucked up with a motherboard choice, I bought an MSI b350m pro-vdh and now my ryzen wont go past 3.7ghz, if I get a better mobo, can I expect higher MEGAHURTZ?

Does RAM affect how high I can clock my cpu?

Tips?

>>61039686
The good thing about the 1600 is that it comes with a stock cooler so you absolutely do not need that 212 at the moment unless you are planning to OC. Even then the stock cooler OC pretty well. And good luck finding a 580 at that price anytime soon.

>>61039655
If you're on a tight budget why not go with the stock cooler?

>>61039697
You might have gotten fuck on silicon lottery friend.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cdznBP

Please don't suggest changing the SSD. Also what case should I get, I have that one selected just as a placeholder. The things I really want in a case are
>fan slots
>space
>metal case
>NO FUCKING WINDOW
>HDD/SSD slots that don't fuck the airflow
>Dust filters
>Font Panel USB 3.0
>NO FUCKING LEDS
>preferably doesn't look like a fucking transformer/gundam

I'm willing to spend like $160 or maybe even a little higher on a case if its not shit/the most amazing case ever released by man.

>>61039686
>Gigabyte mobo
Into the trash it goes

Asus and msi have better VRMs to OC (Hyper 212 implies you will OC), just look for a VRM cooler and atleast 4 modules on the left side of the cpu.

>>61039728
Look at fractal design cases but i think they don't have front panel USB 3.0

>>61039727
What's the more probable situation:

a) mobo sucks
b) cpu sucks

?

>>61039741
>they don't have front panel USB 3.0
What? The R5 does

>>61039728
>>61039741
also I just realized that the GPU is suddenly like $100 more than yesterday please ignore that part. I'm not spending $400 on a fucking GPU, I've allocated like $250ish for a GPU.

>>61039743
I don't know. I can't tell you without looking at your situation in more detail

>>61039756
Ask away, I'll answer as best as I can.

>>61039729
>>61039332
Okay so MSI and Gigabyte are out.

What's left that /g/ can recommend for an ATX motherboard?

>>61039767
When it goes above 3.7ghz. Does it not post outright? Unstable?

>>61039745
>>61039741
Aren't they designed for noise reduction? I assumed that fucked the airflow/fan options. I should also state I live in western washington so its only HOT.tm like 2 months out of the year but I still want good general cooling inside the case as I've read that the m2 ssd's run hot and so does most new DDR4 ram when its running at 3000+ clock speed.

>>61039786
Have you heard of the tried and tested Antec 302?

>>61039795
No I hadn't but from the pictures it looks really nice aesthetically at least. I definitely like the look of it.

>>61039814
Can't go wrong with that case desu

>>61039785
it does post, but really really unstable, fails cinebench and restarts immediately.

>>61039837
Have you tried increasing the voltage?

>>61039848
even at 1.4 it restarts while cinebenching
Could be that mobo just can't keep the voltage stable enough?

>>61039878
Could be shit VRM. Could be shit CPU. It is all silicon lottery. Without spare parts to test with you won't know.

>>61036815
Mine would often stay quieter with 1 92mm cooler master fan vs his 2.

>>61036859
I'm not well versed in the tech behind CPUs, could you elaborate?

>>61039890
But cpu boosts to 3.7 while under stress, can't even OC by 0.1ghz wtf....

>>61039911
Wait didn't you post this yesterday and we figured out it was your incompatible RAM?

>>61038064
dark souls is best played on the xbox 360

>>61039910
Easy. AMD works with the assumption that 70 degrees is the maximum temperature a CPU should go to so they aim for their CPU to be below that. It is 100C for intel.

>>61039922
not me

MSI b350m pro-vdh has my RAM on QVL and RAM goes to 2933mhz no problem at 1.2v, so it's not ram issue

>only 1 shop is selling a rx 580
>for 850 euros
nice

>>61039928
Have you tried updating your bios?

>>61039945
its the latest one for my mobo 28-04-2017

Any news on when 580s will be back in stock anywhere?

>>61039944
Its cheap goyim

Thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bcv82R

>>61039961
I think that i have no idea if it's good for you because i have no idea what do you do with your computer

>>61039957
Highly unlikely you get a CPU that can't even OC 0.1ghz. That is like the bottom 1% of binned CPU. Could be your Mobo. But make sure everything is working first.

>>61039961
AMD fan here.

That build is the best gaming experience, have fun.

>>61039958
Someone in this thread mentioned end of June.

>>61039987
No one cares about which brand you are a fanboy of you idiot

>>61039978

>But make sure everything is working first.
elaborate please

>>61039997
Make sure it isn't your RAM. Make sure it isn't your PSU etc. You know isolate the issue.

>>61039961
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bcv82R
i7-7700k best for gaming

h100i questionable, air can compete without being as loud

no hdd?

>>61040013
ok RAM is easy I just stress test it separately, but how would I go about stress testing my PSU, give cpu 1.4 at 3.2ghz and stress it?

>>61040030
Don't stress test your PSu. Just make sure everything is connected. Use a calculator to ensure you have enough overhead wattage etc.

>>61039987
Gaming, streaming, recording videos, video editing, graphic design, 3d modelling and video game creation (unity/ue4).

I'm considering a Ryzen 7 1800x instead but it seems that in the long run, specially considering streaming I'll be better off with a 7700k

>>61040026
I have 2 2.5" hdds + 2 external 2.5" hdds, I'll eventually get an ssd too.
What you're saying is exactly the reason I posted here, I'm very unsure of the h100i and I really want a recommendation for the perfect cpu air cooler fan and possible additional fans.
Which cpu air cooler would be a good match?

>>61040067
7700k is only good for gaming. Get the 1800x

>>61040067
should consider 1800x if you're going to do all of that stuff

7700k is the best for gamers, not all-purpose

nh-d15, same temps, less noise as h100i
http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/2

>>61040067
Literally all of the things you said except gaming get gigantic benefits from 8 cores over 4, what the fuck
>I'm considering a Ryzen 7 1800x instead but it seems that in the long run, specially considering streaming I'll be better off with a 7700k
It's the opposite, the 4 extra cores and 8 extra threads benefit massively the 1800x for streaming.
Get the 1700x and overclock it then use the saved money to get overkill storage that you obviously will need.

Go Ryzen man what the fuck, there isn't even the slightest doubt in there. The 7700k is a waste of money anyway for 60hz gaming, and fuck even a 1600x would be better than the 7700k at the things you do even though it's $60~ cheaper

>>61040067
>it seems that in the long run, specially considering streaming I'll be better off with a 7700k
It's actually the opposite, swap the 7700k for 1800x in the sentence and it makes perfect sense. Someone who knows better can tell you whether the 1800x is worth it over the 1700x.

>>61040098
if anyone games in 60hz, they oughta get a ryzen as a punishment for being retarded

>>61040102
>whether the 1800x is worth it over the 1700x.
It's not, the 1700x overclock pretty much just as well or 100mhz lower at the very worst. But it's $100 cheaper.

>>61040105
ok anon

>>61040105
You meant to say "with a 1080 ti" somewhere in there, right?

>>61040107
this and 1800x can't OC much farther

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclocking-amd-ryzen,5011-5.html

>>61040081
>>61040089
>>61040098
>>61040102
I've been stuck with shitty pcs all of my life. So what worries me is once again getting 20fps in games in 3 years time. When on the other hand editing software works fine or acceptably on my current laptop.

>>61040089
Sadly it seems that the nh-d15 does not fit in fractal designs nano s case.
What's another choice?
The nh-d14 shows up but I don't know if it's enough.
And should I get extra fans?

>>61040132
But what about in a couple of years time, in the end wouldn't I benefit once the 1800x starts being old/slow by comparison to newer ones?
I don't want to make a mistake and save 100$ in a 2000$ budget to find myself getting horrible performances in a few years.

>>61040169
Then you can upgrade to zen 2 without buying a new mobo vs buying Intel and a new mobo for the socket.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K9YPTH

r8 my build - r9 280x, psu, and hdd are all from previous build

>>61040169
>So what worries me is once again getting 20fps in games in 3 years time.
What the fuck did you read even that made you think any Ryzen CPU would perform so poorly? Turkish benchmarks or some shit?
If games get insanely more CPU intensive in the next 3 years for some reason, then they'll have no choice but to optimize for the most cores they can as CPU will NOT get much stronger per core (until the next architectures in 2020~+?), aka a 4 cores CPU that currently sits at 70% usage in games would perfom much worse than an eight core one that sits at 30%

>When on the other hand editing software works fine or acceptably on my current laptop.
Don't get a much inferior product just because "it works well!".

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Pls help.

I just got a new Corsair PSU last week so I could fit a 7850, I turn my computer on this morning and it is louder than normal. I take the side panel off and see it's the PSU fan which is really loud and the system smells like one of those old cap gun toy things. What the fuck do I do now?

>>61040213
What is the fascination with cpu liquid cooling that I see it in everyone's build? The stock cooler is fine.

>>61040213
And air cooler would perform better than that but otherwise it looks good

>>61040227
Rma.

>>61040252
forgot to say that the h60 was also from prev. build hehe xd

i had a fuckin fx 6100 piece of shit

>>61040272
You need to stop typing like a faggot as well. But your build is fine.

Rate my super budget build. My plan is to buy this now and buy a GPU after I've done some more research and the prices drop a little. I'm gonna play around with a few linux distros for a little bit and get Windows 10 after I get bored/frustrated.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/86FJQV

kind of new to building pcs. how hard is it to put a pc together once you've got all the parts? and how long does it take to get everything up and running? will it just be easier to get a pc pre built?

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>>61040285
My apologies.

>>61040300
If you aren't retarded you can do it

>>61040217
>>61040198
You have me convinced but for some reason in Japan (where I live) the 7700k is cheaper than the 1800x and even the 1700x: http://www.dospara.co.jp/5shopping/detail_parts.php?bg=1&br=11&sbr=1133&ic=443029&ft=7700k&lf=0 (+8% taxes: 40350.96¥ 362$)
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B06W9JXK4G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498212727&sr=8-1&keywords=1800x (57,780¥ 518$ on amazon, 58270.32¥ 523$ on dospara)

Is 8gb still considered the most RAM you'll ever need for gaming or should I get more?

>>61040336
I would get 16gb, for listening to music while playing or streaming

>>61040288
if you are going to use windows later, definitely get 8gb dual channel ram. You are going to want the upgrade later, and it will cost more buying separately.

>>61040335
I don't know where you got the idea that the 7700k is supposed to be more expensive than the 1800x. It's the same exact price as 1700x where I live and a bit cheaper on Amazon.de.

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Which 1080ti should I get for gaming at 240hz? Money isn't a variable.

>>61040300
assembly is easy. shopping is the hardest part. Knowing what you want, what you are buying, how to avoid marketing pitfalls, etc is much harder than assembly. For a first time build it will probably take 2hrs tops. Check out the very numerous tutorials on YouTube.
The only tool you need is a screwdriver. I say it's about as difficult as ikea furniture.

>>61040444
>gaming at 240hz
are u memeing me

>>61040401
>dual channel ram
Do you mean just using 2 RAM sticks or is that a motherboard feature?

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>>61040449
No

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Screen-LED-Lit-Monitor-PG258Q/dp/B06WRP3F5S

>>61040336
8gb is the minimum requirement for current gen AAA games.

>>61040460
stupid

>>61040444
clock speeds will be all that maters, so if you have infinite money you can get one of the special binned cards like the Evga Kingpin or Msi lightning.

>>61040444
Sli 1080ti with a custom loop

>>61040445
>>61040323
alright, thanks anons.

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>>61040475
>SLI

Thought new games stopped supporting that

>>61040477
Watch the backplate for your mobo. It is unassumingly sharp

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YjDCWX

Is this the best one can do for a sub 1k 4k editing build?

>>61040494
They did. SLI has always been garbage. People don't understand alternate frame rendering.

>>61040336
Read the thread.

>>61040494
>>61040537
what about crossfire?

>>61040566
no

>>61040590
They're the same underlying technology.

>>61040601
crossfire is more open though since it allows nvidia gpus

I have a 4GB RX 480, if I sold it, how much would be a good price to sell and what would I buy to replace it?

>>61040624
ill buy it for $140

>>61040644
Deal. 160 if I give you a quick wristie?

>>61039101
Yeah checked that and they are solid. Tried it in the other headers and got nothing out of the thing. Like I said, the other fan is turning on but I'm getting nothing out of the processor-to-heatsink-from-motherboard-as-power

>>61036782
intel jew jizz (tm)

>>61040500
psu seems "meh" quality at that price. The rebate is more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.
Evga Bq 650 at $60usd is not gold rated, but built a little better IMO. If you insist on gold rating, maybe consider buying a little priceyer of a unit, like Evga Gq/g2/g3 (which ever of those is cheaper), Corsair RmX series, etc.

>>61040672
I checked google and it conferred to me that there is a possibility that the header may have burned out for some odd reason or it being that this was the last one or one of last two at the store it may have been defective.

It is a radimax orange face thing

All the cables are correct, I get green on the System light. Processor is on correctly, though I don't have the seat on for it. Heatsink fan isn't wedged. It isn't the heatsink fan because the fan for my other older rig that I know for a fact works didn't work on it. It's like its not getting power. Is it like a molex cable where you can pinch out the individual wires and need to click in the soder at the tip of the wire?

>>61040698
>>61040500
oh, and if you aren't gaming at all, I think you can get away with a gtx 1050/rx 560 to free up a little budget room. The gpu performance won't effect your editing much.

Was thinking on dumping about 900 € to get a new system (minus peripherals) but the problems with video cards availability is holding me back.

Can i get away with spending like 600€ on renewing everything but the gpu and use my radeon 7950 until GPUs settle back?

The card is like 3 years old at this point but has been serving me good , i dont know how it compares with a 1060 6gb (which is what i was thinking on buying for like 300€.

Any input?

>>61040757
if you are running an ancient cpu like an amd Fx or a low end intel then I fully support a whole new build.
7950 is pretty stale, but no reason you can't run it for a while until prices come back from the insanity. I say do exactly what you had planned.

>>61040840

The rest of the pc is like 8 years old , but the card has been carrying me , allowing me to play a lot of stuff i couldnt have touched otherwise.

Nowadays i mainly play mobas or low end rpgs shit, so i dont really want to overpay for a gpu if this 7950 can hold me for 6 months/1 year or w/e the market takes to settle.

My main concern is the rest of the computer which is old as fuck , the cpu is an intel core duo e8500 , launced q1 2008 according to google.

Only piece i have updated over the years were the HD and that radeon 7950 that i got off a friend.

>>61040888
get a new cpu platform (including motherboard, ram). Case upgrade might be nice to move out of the old dust bucket, but optional.
A 120-250GB ssd to boot your OS and 1 or 2 games will make everything feel much better.
Keep your gpu for now.

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>>61040936
This is what i was looking at right now.

I keep a 2tb HD for downloads/media , my old 120 ssd for games and the new ssd for OS.

Then wait with the 7950 until a good deal on a gpu arises and pounce on it.

Any glaring error ? Im pretty new to part picking (friend built last one for me).

>>61040990
if you already have an ssd you don't need a new one. I was assuming you were only using a HDD.
that case is decent when cheap but there's much better at that kind of price. It used to be $50US and I would recommend there, but certainly not 70 euro dollars.
Power supply seems really expensive, and you don't really need more than 450w.

>>61041090

I picked the PSU out of fear , since i dont have a lot of experience (almost none) building hardware i wanted a fully modular to have an easier time , but i might end up checking other options it does seem expensive at 100€ when there are 50€ readily available.

Any recommendation in a case then? i couldnt care less about the looks of the case. Or should i just go for a cheap one that has at least 4* reviews?

>>61041206
semi modular is fine, and usually cheaper. You will be using the atx 24-pin any way. Use pcpartpickers search feature.
>450w minimum (525 for future expansion beyond the 1060)
>semi and full both checked
>bronze and gold both checked
>sort by low price
then see Google [power supply name] review and see if johnnyguru reviewed it. If he gives it above 8 feel free to purchase.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7cXmZ8

How does this look guys? No this isn't for modern games. I chose the newest parts I could find that would run Windows XP to make the fastest Windows XP retro gaming machine in existence.
No clue if I'll actually do it, but this was fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsIMd8TUUGg

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I need a cheap nas thats actually good but It shouldn't be over 500€ since I would only use it to torrent and save files on there. ( cheap old xeon would be nice )
btw im from germany.
I appreaciate any help.

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Auscunt here.
Looking at CPUs for budget system. Can get a G4560 but want to play ARMA 3. 1500x not a good option since I can't get it locally and our shitty shipping costs blow the performance/price return.

Is the 1400 ($220) good enough or do I need to eat shit and pay for the 1600 ($300)? Comfortable overclocking it.

>>61041437
arma3 runs like shit on ryzen

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>>61041480
Sources? Can only find benchmarks from cancer sites but if pic related is anywhere near the truth i'll just get the Pentium.

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rate my DIY gpu support

first build ever so no bully pls

Everything is working thank god

Getting 27c idle on 7700k

Got a ryzen 1700x, friend offered to sell me a brand new cooler, that one cooler master that every one and their brother has. I know the stock that comes with the ryzen is pretty good, but is the cooler master better?

Also, I really like the style of a square compact case but also big enough for like, a mid or large computer. Any recommendations?

If I connect a chink rgb led strip to my msi b350m pro-vdh mobo, do I risk frying it?

>>61041686
What type of cooler is it? For all we know, he could be giving you one of those cheap $5 coolers for 35W TDP or lower processors in 1U chassis

>>61041539
The Pentium G4560 is way better at ARMA than any of the Ryzens. The Core i3 leaves them for dead, though.

>>61041758
Hyper 212 evo. Sealed in box.

>>61041617
What shit cable management

>>61041783
It's a little better, but not worth it if your 1700X came with a stock cooler (which I highly doubt it did, as it's an X SKU)

>>61041798
Was told it did, but it never said when I ordered it. So i'm not sure. If it didnt I can always just buy the evo, isnt a big deal.

>>61041881
It doesn't come with a stock cooler unless you bought it from an OEM reseller. If your (((friends))) are trying to sell you a 212 EVO for more than $25, then tell them to shove it since you can buy a much more powerful cooler for just $5 more.

>>61041921
Selling it for exactly $25 lol. Whats the $30 cooler you were talking about, then?

>>61037825
>you don't need a NH-D15 to cool any Ryzen CPU
What's the most cooler I would need to cool a 1600? Mine overclocks to 4.0 ghz, but it gets too hot with the Wraith Spire under load.
Was aiming for a Noctua D15S. Could I get away with a U12? Want to keep it as quiet as possible, so I was thinking Noctua. I've had good results with their case fans.

>>61041749
Nah
>>61041686
IIRC the 1700X is not bwing sold with the stock cooler yet. And the current SKU on sale does not come bundled with a cooler.
>>61041617
If it's stupid but it works, it aint stupid.
Only negative is that you might need to cut the zipties if you cant to remove the Gpu for manteniance or whatever.
And your cable management is terrible, please get that rats nest under control.

>>61040990
Well, If you're on . Budget you might want to consider a 120 SSD for the OS, since you already have another one.
Also that MoBo is expensive, get a AsRock Pro4 for cheaper. That PSU is also pricy, you might find . Very good one for aroung €60

With those savings you might be able to jump to the R5 1600 or get a better GPU

>>61041963
The be quiet! dark rock should be enough. Check the reviews on it

>>61041938
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WBmxFT/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rrh6v213pkr1
Ideally, you want at least one 120mm fan and more than 4 heatpipes for a 77-95W TDP CPU

There was the Scythe Fuma that was on sale for $32 before, but I guess that sale ended.

>>61041985
Yeah the cable management is shit, but the case is deeper than it looks in the pictures, so I have no cables in the way of the fans air flow

Whats the best site in Australia to buy PC parts from? I usually use PCCG but dunno if they're the cheapest

>>61036716
Hey everyone is a gtx 750 ti any good?

>>61042003
At that price point, wouldn't I be better off just going for a D15s? Or is the be quiet the quieter or the 2?

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>>61036716

What would be a good general purpose office build?

Are those small form factor pcs worth while for office use?

what should i look for in a pc case? are there any features that are important or should i only worry about the size?

>>61042370

if gaymen then airflow

if not then how easy it is to reach different areas

>>61042366
thin mini-ITX or mini-STX with a lower-than-65W TDP CPU.
Quad-core Celeron/Pentium Js or AMD's G-Series APUs fit the bill, as well as T-branded Intel CPUs or E-branded AMD APUs (no Ryzens).

>>61042370
>what should i look for in a pc case?
What motherboard and form factor are you using?
>are there any features that are important or should i only worry about the size?
See above, and what are you going to be connecting to your computer externally?

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>>61042544
>>61042544
>>61042544

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>>61041775
>he literally didn't look at the image

>>61042560
please don't start threads with shit pictures.

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>>61042593
how about this one?

>>61042593
But it's fairly representative of /pcbg/
There's not a single serious workstation, server, or dicking around build posted here, only gaymur shit

>>61036716
>that pic
https://videocardz.com/70465/msi-damn-rx-vega-needs-a-lot-of-power

>>61042606
I want to add a few server, NAS, workstation, HTPC builds to my pcpartpicker build list, but I havent gotten around to it yet