Air Flow

>>61036662
Jesus christ. Only two intakes? You built an oven

>>61036662
no retard hot air rises

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>>61036662

>>61036662
How the fuck do you have you fans blowing downward, is your mobile upside down? You hot air is vented from the sides and up, or if it's a blower, out the back. Bottom of you is always intake.

>>61036662
You never, ever, blow heat downwards.

>>61036662
You fucking retard the GPU and PSU don't blow downwards those are fucking intake fans.

>>61037775
Not OP but my PSU intakes air from the back and blows it out the bottom

aren't most PSUs like this?

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>>61037786
I don't know about your PSU in particular but most intake air using the fan and exhaust it out the back, just like a reference GPU.

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>>61037786
>>61037809

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>>61037775

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>>61036662
I use an H440, it cripples fan placement anyway but I try my best.

>>61037679
Thanks, I think I'll set it up in this arrangement

>>61037857
Had one anon. Radiator was crippling because of the shitty blocked entrance.

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Anyone using this case?

>>61037857
>not falling for the positive pressure meme

>>61037906
>All those drive bays

What an atrocity.

>>61037857
Intake and outtake fans are redundant. You only need one or the other. That's a good PC case for you because it prevents you from indulging in your natural tendency to do something wasteful and retarded.

>>61037952
Some people actually use them.

>>61037508
Hot air rises only because hot air is a lower density than cold air. If you have high pressure fans you can make the air go anywhere you want with no loss of efficiency. It's the same principle as with water, buoyant force. Think of it this way: his plan is also just as good because he plans on having cold air FALL into his case.

>>61036662
so... you are shooting hot air INTO your machine?

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>>61037906
I have a haf 912, almost the same but no bottom fan

Filters on all intakes. Side fan to blow air on gpu and keep it passive for all but gaming (easier to change than a gpu fan) and to keep positive pressure, rear fan to cpu so there is never any stagnant air around the vrms even if chassis fans haven't ramped yet. Been running cool enough even on the real hot days (no a/c)

>>61038075
That's retarded.

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>>61036662
>coolant is hot
>coolant goes to radiator
>coolant is cool
>coolant goes to resovoir
>resovoir is heated by radiator exhaust
>coolant is hot
>coolant goes to processor
smart

>>61038093
Stunning rebuttal. The forces for hot air to "rise" and cold air to "sink" are equal. Either way you're fighting one or the other.

>>61037952
>he doesn't alternate hdds and powerful electromagnets in the drivebays with a kill switch to nuke the hdds

>>61037809
This. Always put radiators in the front too because you want your cpu the coolest anyway and also if they leak they don't get on anything.

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>>61038313
If you can get your radiator out of the case do it.

Also fans with sleeve bearings (sometimes) like to have a horizontal spindle so their oil lubrication doesn't fall out. Hopefully GPU and PSU fan manufacturers have dealt with this since most of those fans are vertical spindle. But normal case fans better to just mount the radiator vertically. Check any USB dongle protrusions - the frame could be a good thing for protection, could be bad and not fit.

I have 5 intakes and 0 out (except the GPU cooler). 2 top, 2 front, 1 rear. All fans have filters. I live in a very dusty environment so I like as much positive pressure as possible so dust doesn't get pulled in all the random openings in the case.

>>61036727
less intakes is better. low pressure system will suck out hot air faster than high pressure.. that will build hot pockets

>>61038486
EK has mounts for this type of thing.

>>61038765

>doesn't want his PC to build him pepperoni hot pockets

>>61038787
>putting that garbage in your body
fat fucks

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>>61036662
Running it negative pressure so all of the cool air is passively induced while the hot is actively removed. Strangely enough it's the most effective method of cooling this case with three fans. It is unfortunately somewhat of a dust magnet, but it was also built to be one in the first place so I can't really complain given that it runs silent.

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>>61036662

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>>61039015
idle

>>61038075
>having to fight the natural upward force of hot air
>"no loss of efficiency"

You're an idiot.

>>61039374
If convection is that powerful, where are all the convection chimney cooled PCs?

The convection that takes place inside your case is negligible at best.

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I was thinking about getting a top exhaust and maybe side intake. Should I?
Temps go to ~78C on prime95 + AVX, but it's summer here.
Also it's a 6700k at 4.5/1.29V, not delided.

>>61037508
>>61039374
>>61038122
Convection is irrelevant in a computer case UNLESS your system is entirely passive.
A single 40mm fan spinning at 500RPM will completely overpower convection.

>>61038086
naw, it just gets hot as cold air from outside goes over the radiator and into the case to be ejected out the back fan

>>61037906
It's a good case, used for like 5 years

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>>61038108
exhaust? its a closed system with a little pump and a fan..

>>61038839
t. Amerifat

>>61039828
>>61039782
Computer components get very hot, that hot air rises very quickly.

Stop being ignorant.

>>61039912
That hot air rises because it's pushed by fans.

>>61039950
You're an idiot.

>>61036662
No.
Your PSU sucks air in from the bottom and exhausts out the back. Your GPU either pushes air out hte back or just moves air around the case.
Hot air rises.

>>61039912
>that hot air rises very quickly

It rises quickly when there's metric fucktonnes of it floating around in the atmosphere, when there's a barely measurable weight of air drifting about in your PC the effect is negligible.

Where are all the Chimney PCs taking advantage of this amazing motive power?

>>61040513
Stop this bullshit.

There is as much air proportionally in your computer case as there is in your house or outside. Maybe a tiny bit more or less depending on how you set it up.
But it is a confined space, so air movement has to be regulated correctly to emulate open air.

Stop posting. Right now.

>>61040532
Planning your airflow inside the case while keeping convection in mind is like planning a trans-atlantic while keeping flat-earth theory in mind.

It's amusing, but you're not making best use of the information available to you.

>>61040547
Components in your computer can easily reach about 70 to 90°C. Have you ever seen air rise off surfaces that hot?

You're a retard if you think the effect on air flow is negligible.

Sure, your computer might work and actually cool, but it's simply inefficient and entirely unnecessary.

>>61037679
radiator is noticeably more effective when it sucks in fresh air. the higher the temperature gradient, the faster the exchange.

>>61040567
>Have you ever seen air rise off surfaces that hot?

No, because we're blowing cool air over those surfaces, no convection has a chance to get going.

Are you about to post a picture of a thunderstorm and be all "Still think convection is weak brah?"

>>61040547
Because we all run case fans at 100% duty. What about when the pc is idle and air flow is reduced because I use proper cooling with fan curves?
>laminar airflow is stoopid
only on /g/

>>61040628
Warm air is ALWAYS trying to rise. You have to fight against that. For no reason whatsoever.

That means a loss of efficiency.

>>61040754
A negligible one.

>>61040769
Unless you have the numbers on this, it's up for debate.

The point is that it's completely and utterly unnecessary to work AGAINST basic laws of physics when you can simply position the fans to work WITH them.

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Antec 300, cheap arctic cooling fans controlled by speedfan, $15 cpu cooler on 125W cpu.

Runs very nice, 30C ambient idle/light load fans are at 6% which is lowest possible setting and inaudible. Playing BF4 fans get to 50%, still reasonably quiet.

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>>61040797

Wrong pic...

Will a case that supports 240 mm radiators be able to use a 120 mm water cooler?

>>61040828
Pleaze be gentle I am beginner :3

>>61040783
Fans moving air have much more influence than warm air rising, you're free to disprove this. Either way, the difference is certainly negligible.

>>61040894
Car engines have much more influence than inclines, but it still takes more power to get up a hill in a car.

With computer air flow, you have the ability to go downhill literally 100%, so why choose to go uphill?

>>61038765
Meanwhile your PC will be filled with dust. High pressure is better, temperature difference will be negligible.

>>61040940
Not him, but there might be a situation where you would prefer to have an intake at the top. For example, if you really want the coldest radiator temps, and the only place for the radiator is at the top. The comparison of a car versus convection is skewed as well, the difference in needing to move a 2 tonne vehicle and not is much larger than needing to push hot air down or up.
If you can avoid it, sure, work with convection. But if there's any reason why you'd prefer to not work with convection, then there's no problem with working against it.

>>61040979
>the difference in needing to move a 2 tonne vehicle and not is much larger than needing to push hot air down or up
Because that was the point of the comparison, right?

>>61041001
I wouldn't think so, I thought the point was that they're similar, not different.

>>61041018
>>61040979
Listen here, knucklehead; the point of the comparison was that you can force hot air down just like you can force a car uphill, but that it's better not to have to force anything if you don't have to.

>>61041031
I knew that, I added to that that there's a real benefit with cars while there's no real benefit (a negligible one) for convection. So the comparison is a bit skewed. I didn't say it was wrong or incorrect.

>>61041048
The proportional force is completely irrelevant to the comparison.

>>61041057
I disagree because the whole reason people say that convection is irrelevant is because of the proportional force. If you ignore the one part that makes it negligible, then yeah it's not negligible. But that's like saying a car's a plane (if it could fly).
Unless you just wanted to throw out a completely irrelevant comparison, in which case you can just make the stupidest comparisons you want I guess.

Anyone else here using ambient case temps to control their case fans?

>>61041075
You can make an incline require the EXACT same proportional force as whatever "downward intake" airflow setup you have.

>>61036662
You could always lay it on it's side

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>>61039827
Hello little brother

>>61041075
Okay, make the following experiment: heat something to 70°C (doesn't have to be your CPU) and see how fast air is rising above it. Then take your smallest fan and let it run at minimum speed and check again. There will be magnitudes between pressure and air flow. If the buoyant force of convection is 1% of the fan power, you're arguing that 102% is better than 99%. It is, but no one gives a shit.

>>61041122
With a shitty small incline or incredibly lightweight car maybe, but I assumed you mean representative inclines/cars. Even so, at that point it's negligible as well.
>>61041219
>There will be magnitudes between pressure and air flow.
Bullshit.

>If the buoyant force of convection is 1% of the fan power, you're arguing that 102% is better than 99%. It is, but no one gives a shit.
I think you got that the wrong way around. I'm arguing that the difference is negligible, not that one's better.

>>61041511
>With a shitty small incline or incredibly lightweight car maybe, but I assumed you mean representative inclines/cars
It doesn't matter; regardless how small the incline, the engine has to work harder. Over time it does add up.

Proportionality has NOTHING to do with the comparison between forcing warm air down and forcing a car up an incline.

>>61041511
>I assumed you mean representative inclines/cars
What the hell is a "representative incline"?
Pretty much 99.99999% of all road surfaces are on a slight incline.

>>61041968
>It doesn't matter; regardless how small the incline, the engine has to work harder. Over time it does add up.
But with cars it's not really negligible, and with fans it is. There's a distinction here, one is a valid comparison while the other is hardly related.

>Proportionality has NOTHING to do with the comparison between forcing warm air down and forcing a car up an incline.
Again, it does if the important part is if something is negligible or not. The fact that one's a bigger difference means you can't compare how negligible they are to each other.
>>61042009
>What the hell is a "representative incline"?
Something significant. Like 10-15 degrees I guess?

>Pretty much 99.99999% of all road surfaces are on a slight incline.
Obviously not all, since then it wouldn't make sense to define them as inclines. Something that's inclined enough compared to "normal" roads to be justified to be called an incline and not a normal road.

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Is there a case like spec-02 where you just throw your hdd in the slot without any tools? Preferably under $100. I've tried two other cases with pic related and this crap makes my hdds vibrate like crazy

>>61042131
Old style mounting with screws is also good for me

>>61037906
I built a tower for family several years back using it.

It works alright, airflow is decent. Not dust filters though so it gets dirty quick

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>>61036662
no

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>>61036662

whats your fanspeed in summer ?
do you open the case or leave it closed ?

>>61041031

The design of the fan will have a much bigger impact on the stress and power usage of the system than which ever way the air is being pushed. A sleeve bearing fan will be more stressed horizontally, no matter if its pushing air up or down.

>>61038868
Pretty dusty setup then.
You'll want positive or even better neutural pressure to prevent dust

>>61036662
this is so wrong, shitpost alert.

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>>61037857
Good luck with the dust.

>>61039374
/thread

fuck off nigger OP

>>61043321
This x6 gorillion. Always run more intakes with dust covers than exhaust. Top mounted fans/rads are a meme 9/10 too.

>>61042091
>But with cars it's not really negligible, and with fans it is.
That depends entirely on the incline.

>Obviously not all, since then it wouldn't make sense to define them as inclines.
Virtually zero roads are perfectly level.
Hence: they nearly all have some incline to them.

This discussion was never about proportionality, it was always about efficiency. See >>61039374
And regardless how small the loss of efficiency, there is still loss of efficiency.

And the biggest point of all is that it's completely unnecessary.

>>61042756
All else being equal, having to force hot air down is less efficient than simply following the flow.

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>>61039015
>>61039025
Same setup in my case

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>>61043468
I'm >>61043321 and top mounted aren't bad, you just have to have more intakes than exhausts or fans that push more air in than out.

3x GT-AP15 as front intake
4x GT-AP13 as side intake
3x GT-AP11 as exhaust at the top.
1x Corsair AF 140mm that has been changed since pic was taken.

>>61041189
Fractal Define S. Historic case.

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See that giant ass (relative to the rest of the case) fan? I have it in an intake position. Would there be any benefit to having it in an outtake position?
I've seen what you guys are saying about hot air rising, but the only thing here is that it's the *only* proper fan other than the fan on my GPU, so now I'm really not sure

>>61043488
>That depends entirely on the incline.
Yes, I know. Which is why I said and tried to define representative.

>Virtually zero roads are perfectly level.
>Hence: they nearly all have some incline to them.
Yes I know, however that doesn't qualify them to be qualified as inclines towards regular roads. I already posted this, please read before you reply. This is a shitty semantic discussion which implies that your example is so loosely defined that it doesn't mean shit.

>This discussion was never about proportionality, it was always about efficiency. See >>61039374
We're discussing if the efficiency is relevant, by discussing if the proportionality between examples is similar. I think the efficiency is irrelevant, and that your example is skewed because it ignores how relevant the efficiency can be. The relevancy of the efficiency is the only deciding factor in if convection is relevant or not.
>>61043488
>And the biggest point of all is that it's completely unnecessary.
In a perfect situation, yes. However, I already posted an example of a non-perfect situation. It's the post that I entered this argument in with. So no, it's not "completely unnecessary" per se.

I'll just repeat my original point: If you can avoid it, sure, work with convection. But if there's any reason why you'd prefer to not work with convection, then there's no problem with working against it.

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>>61043600
And if anyone's wondering, here's my speccy/temps at the moment with this setup.
(Temp in my room is around 78 degrees fahrenheit.)

>>61043600
Is that a dust filter on top of it? If it is, then I would leave it as an intake fan. That way the only way air really gets in the case is through the dust filter, resulting in less dust. If you use it as an outtake it would be very slightly more efficient, but it would pull air through the case's tiny holes, making the inside more dusty. The difference is negligible, and personally I value less maintenance more than a negligible increase in cooling efficiency.

>>61043608
>Which is why I said and tried to define representative.
There is no need for you to define anything.
An incline is an incline, whether it's 45° or 0.0001°.

>We're discussing if the efficiency is relevant
No we aren't.
Having to fight the natural upward force of hot air is less efficient than going with that flow.

>>61043659
>There is no need for you to define anything.
>An incline is an incline, whether it's 45° or 0.0001°.
It definitely matters, because the difference in power needed to carry a car up a 45 degree or a 0.0001 degree slope is significant. One is negligible while the other isn't. Not defining it would mean the example means absolutely nothing compared to computers.

>No we aren't.
In that case somebody jumped into my conversation. Please don't do that without indicating that or something.

>Having to fight the natural upward force of hot air is less efficient than going with that flow.
I always agreed with this. However, if there's any reason for "having" to fight it, then there's no problem because the difference is negligible.

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>>61043656
It is a dust filter, and thank you for the reply. I'm perfectly happy with the temps I get now anyway (idle >>61043649, and it never really pushes beyond 80 degrees celsius when rendering in premiere, gaming, etc.) I'd much rather just stick with this and not have to deal with dust nearly as often.

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I just purchased a new one and I don't know where to put it

>>61043693
>In that case somebody jumped into my conversation.
Are you sure it wasn't you who jumped into things?

This was my first post that spawned this discussion: >>61039374
and I started the car comparison here: >>61040940
The only reply to this latter post of mine began with "not him, but...", and I'm assuming that's still you.

>>61043722
Bottom intake.

>>61043814

I gave it a quick try a few minutes ago, didn't feel any air blowing at all, consider there are the power cables on its way

>>61043835
Manage your cables.

>>61043747
>Are you sure it wasn't you who jumped into things?
Not without indicating no.

>This was my first post that spawned this discussion
I disagree, technically it's >>61037508 or >>61038075 because he actually tries to discuss something.
>>61043747
>and I started the car comparison here: >>61040940
At that point the discussion was already about how fans have way more force than convection, meaning convection is negligible. He asks for you to prove it, to which you post the car comparison. You also didn't say anything about other people bringing up it being negligible before this, so clearly it was about that at that point.
>>61043747
>The only reply to this latter post of mine began with "not him, but...", and I'm assuming that's still you.
That's me indicating I entered. I hope you realized that that means I wasn't the previous guy.

I entered the discussion when it was very much about the fact if convection is negligible in PCs, and I always discussed this. And besides that, that's the only reason to even discuss this anyway as it's the only reason to consider one option or the other.

>>61043871
>At that point the discussion was already about how fans have way more force than convection
... in response to this post of mine: >>61039374
about how efficiency is impacted, contrary to what >>61038075
said.

>>61043924
I can't tell what you're trying to say.

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>>61043859

Can't do much better than this. If i push them back more, the right lid won't close

>>61043871
>At that point the discussion was already about how fans have way more force than convection
Except nobody's saying you can't blow hot air down. Just that it's harder.

>>61043952
Okay. I didn't say anybody was saying that you can't blow hot air down. I don't see what the point of this post is.

>>61043976
>I didn't say anybody was saying that you can't blow hot air down.
Then why bring up the fact that fans have more force than rising hot air?

>>61043998
Technically, I didn't. I brought up the fact that the discussion was already about how fans have way more force than convection, meaning convection is negligible. There are a couple of differences between this and what you just posted. For one, I said way more force instead of more force, one implies the smaller one is negligible, the other doesn't. Secondly, The fact is merely the topic of discussion, not what that topic is discussing, there's a slight difference here. Thirdly, I didn't bring up just that fans have way more force than convection, the part that you didn't quote was the actual important part because it's the conclusion of that sentence, and what the discussion was about.
You quoted me out of context and then tried to say that I brought up something stupid. Please don't do that.

>>61044090
Blowing hot air down is less efficient than blowing hot air up.
Driving a car up an incline is less efficient than driving a car down an incline.

These are two simple facts, and you've been trying to argue them for hours now.

Whether the difference is negligible or significant changes nothing. You just wasted many hours, congratulations.
Myself, I work from home and made 400 Euros between the start of this discussion and now.

>>61044138
>These are two simple facts, and you've been trying to argue them for hours now.
No I haven't, I've been arguing whether they were negligible. Learn to read.

>Whether the difference is negligible or significant changes nothing.
It definitely does. It changes whether it's something that you should care about, or if it's something you can dismiss. It changes if valid comparisons can be made or not.

>You just wasted many hours, congratulations.
>Myself, I work from home and made 400 Euros between the start of this discussion and now.
Okay, so you can multitask, but I can't? Sure.
I was studying Japanese myself.

>>61044177
>I've been arguing whether they were negligible
Which is entirely beside the point.

It takes more energy to drive up a hill than down a hill.
And it takes more energy to blow hot air down than to blow hot air up.

I brought this up simply to illustrate the fact that efficiency is lost, contrary to what some idiot stated; and you inserted yourself into the discussion, missing the point by miles.

>>61044933
>Which is entirely beside the point.
No it wasn't, as we already established, the point (or argument) was about if convection is negligible.

>>61045183
You entered my discussion, which was always about loss of efficiency.
Trace back from your first post, you autist.

>>61045203
See >>61043871

>>61045213
You're an idiot.

And not only did you get involved in a discussion without knowing what it was about, but you later accused me of doing exactly that.

Making you a double idiot.

>>61038839
hot pockets are perfectly fine for you so is everything else basically all you have to do is not be a lazy shit and dont over eat

you can literally survive on nothing but beer and peanuts

>>61045275
>but you later accused me of doing exactly that.
Because you made it seem like the discussion wasn't what it actually was.

>>61046096
The discussion on my part was always about efficiency, and nothing else.

Someone said there was no loss of efficiency, and I addressed that, spawning a very dumb discussion made dumber by your uninformed involvement.

>>61036662
Just keep in mind that hot air rises and that positive air pressure (more intake than out) helps keep out dust.

>>61046735
See >>61043871
We've already established what the discussion was about, considering you never addressed any of the points of this post with valid arguments, I can only assume that it's the truth.
No, out of context quotes or ad hominem aren't valid arguments.

>>61047261
lmao

Having to blow hot air down is less efficient than blowing it up.

That was my only point ever, and it cannot be refuted since it's simple physics.

Please PLEASE direct me to a point of "his" that I missed.

>>61047311
Okay, you're just moving goalposts now.

>Please PLEASE direct me to a point of "his" that I missed.
I have no idea what you mean by this, but that's not my job.

>>61047362
My point was always simply that there is indeed loss of efficiency.
The car comparison was supposed to illustrate this.

You got involved and not only neglected to actually read up on the discussion, but also simply missed the obvious point by miles.

Intake front and exhaust on back (psu and gpu) with side case outtake. It's a shitty old case with psu still on top with no airflow from above and bottom.

>>61047405
>My point was always simply that there is indeed loss of efficiency.
It evidently wasn't. Are you going to post something new or just regurgitate the same wrong shit over and over without even trying to rebut my arguments?

Why don't they put the gpu at the top or in the front so the fan take cold air from the outside of the case?

>>61047511
>It evidently wasn't.
This was my first post itt: >>61039374

This is turning into a fascinating glimpse into a near-psychotic mind at this point.

>>61047548
I know. I already addressed that.

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>>61047514
like this

>>61047617
I never had any other point, so if you did address that, why are you still trying to argue?

Just admit you fucked up and step away from the keyboard.

>>61047644
>so if you did address that, why are you still trying to argue?
I'm not, I'm just correcting your errors. The facts are right there.
But fair enough, if you don't want to address them, then I'm not going to bother.

>>61047677
My errors? This should be good.

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The photo is a bit old. I've since moved the Fractal Design Dynamic X2 GP-12 fan from pulling in the bottom right to pushing out in the top left (where there is no fan in this old picture), and I added a Noctua NF-F12 to the bottom right. So I now have three Noctua NF-F12's pulling in from the front of the case, and I have one Fractal Design GP-12 pushing out the back and one pushing out the top. The cooler is a Cryorig H7. The GPU is an EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0. The PSU is a Seasonic SS-650KM. This build runs quiet and cool.

The entire build is here - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DH3CQV

>>61036662
My case

>Bitfenix Nova

Worst case ever, for airflow, anyway

>>61048018
It looks like the fractal fan you've marked as exhaust is an intake in this picture.

>>61040942
high pressure causes more dust too

>>61047625
Bitfenix prodigy m

Search for GPU butcher cases also

>>61040567
>Components in your computer can easily reach about 70 to 90°C. Have you ever seen air rise off surfaces that hot?

room temp is about 25c.
Air is 1.1849 rho (kg/m3) at 25c
at 90c, its 0.9728 rho.

This means about 20% less dense, it expands by about 20%, displacing the air around it and rising.
Your average mid-tower case is about 30 liters, give or take, after you install all components.

If atmospheric air weighs about 40 grams per 30 liters (at 25c), then 30 liters of air being heated to 90c will displace 36 liters of air.

This means your expanding, heating air (if heated in 1 second) moves about 6 liters per second.

This means a fan that produces 15 Cubic feet per minute will overpower the convection effect of hot air.

a shitty 40mmx20mm fan running at 1200rpm will produce 19cfm

>>61048480
My point was that it's simply less efficient to blow hot air downward, not that it cant be done.

Nice math btw. Shows that it takes a considerable proportion of a fan's performance just to overcome the natural upward hot air flow.
Did you take into account the distance between the fan and the component?

>>61037679
How the Fuck does the GPU blow down?

>>61048480
This isn't calculating convection, it's calculating expansion. Which doesn't necessarily rise, it goes all places.

>>61048264
>intake in this picture

Indeed, it is intake in that picture. It's been pointed out to me before, always in an effort to audit and help an anon, so I thank you for noticing that. It's an old picture. At the time, I was experimenting with pulling from the back and front onto the cpu while venting out the top.

My current config is as indicated by the arrows. I've been meaning to take a new photo. I've also swapped out those red-colored RAM sticks for black (and faster) RAM sticks. It still bugs me to see the brown of the Noctua fans in my black and white case but I must admit that those Noctua are really whisper quiet. I have no window on my case, so the brown doesn't bug me until I open the case and see the strange brown-on-tan Noctua fans. The case runs so cool and quiet that I really can't be bothered too much by mere color of fans. I would really love to put an exhaust fan on the back in the space between my psu and gpu. Not sure if such a thing exists. Need to do some research.

>>61048301
How? I'm pretty sure this is wrong.

>>61043522
901? how did you fit the radiator on the fury through the cutout?