MSI: RX Vega (gaming) needs a lot of power

It can use more power if it's faster, but not 20% faster for 70% more power like Skylake-X, that's just retarded.

>>61029316
>board power = actual draw

>>61029316
Thats only cant be good

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Remember it has a 50% per watt improvement in performance over Polaris

If it uses 2x the power it should be 3x the performance

Two RX 580s are about as good as a single 1080 ti in games that actually scale with crossfire

Expect this card to be 30-40% faster than a 1080 ti

>>61030475
>Expect this card to be 30-40% faster than a 1080 ti
You are funny

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>>61030553
4096 cores @ 1600+ mhz
it will be very fast

Consider the following
RX 480 is 2304 cores @ 1180 MHZ
Without factoring in IPC improvements(said to be 50%) the card is 240% faster than the RX 480 strictly based on core count and mhz clock. The card wont be bottlenecked by the bus width

Look at the RX 480 crossfire here its about as fast as a 1080 ti. That is with crossfire scaling which is never 100%

>>61030356
This

>>61030656
no one said 50% IPC anywhere, this is absolutely nuts and would put nvidia out of market until 2019

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>>61031636
AMD has claimed it

>>61031772
wew, so they're doing the same thing they did to intel to Nvidia?

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>>61031806
Worse

>>61031772
>>61031822
I'll believe when I see it, it's not like I have money to buy even a gpu launched in 2013

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>>61031636
>>61031772
>>61031806
>>61031822
IPC=/=peak throughput per clock idjits

>>61032045
Clearly
Intel retards think it means per core or someshit

>>61031822
that was with 2xVega in CF, nice try Kumar

>>61032105
2xVega was on the Threadripper PCI lanes demo.

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>>61032255
60fps for Prey @4k lmao
thanks for the reminder Singh

>>61031822
All aboard the hype train?

>>61031822
>>61031854
>>61032105
>>61032255
>>61032396
>>61032563

http://www.techspot.com/news/69567-purported-amd-vega-benchmark-shows-faster-than-titan.html
>the benchmark below was "confirmed" to be a fake a few weeks back

FAKE

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>>61032105
>doom scales with crossfire or sli
Nvidiabots cant handle it

>>61032396
>bottlenecked by HDMI bandwidth
>bottlenecked by T.V producers milking us when we should have insanely high resolutions on the market
think about it, they have over 400ppi on phones, if you scale that imagine what resolution that would be on a 40 inch t.v

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I translated the original thread using Google since there is another reply he adds which hints at the level of performance you get out of that wattage. Actual not shit translation: "That depends on the level of performance... :-)"

if it requires 20% more power than a 1080ti but it s 30% faster then it s fine .. i guess .

>>61031806
We can only hope, but just buttfucking Intel is good enough.

>>61032809
More like some dude saying it's not a good sign, then him saying it depends on what kind of performance you get back for it (the huge wattage).
Seems like he's saying jack shit for what the performance is.

>>61032852
but a 1180 is gonna be 35% more powerful than a Vega

>>61032873
I'd like to think he's hinting the extra power draw is worth it since he ends with le smiley face.

It's also likely that they're volting these things to the stratosphere to meet the lowest common denominator of functioning chips, like the first Polaris run.

There's a good chance that many people will be able to undervolt significantly, and possibly even undervolt + overclock in some cases. Default voltage is going to be near the ceiling, probably.

>>61032881
>muh volta
It's bigger Pascal. You'll be lucky if it's 15% faster. And it's not coming until Q2 2018 anyway.

>>61032873
it clearly means the guy thinks the level of performance justifies the Power Consumption so it's hella powerful

1070 levels you faggots just accept it already

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>>61032884
Fair enough, he seems like a dick though. Asking what the cooling could be like, when clearly he'd have some knowledge of it.
>>61032897
I definitely wouldn't say clearly.

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>>61032908

>>61032905
2 shekels have been deposited into your account. Nice job goyim.

>>61032949
to be fair the Prey demo hinted in that direction

>>61032965
>1070 levels
>while a Fury X is at 1070 levels too

>vega is clocked way higher than the Fury X and has the same performance level

this is just stupid, they'd have to go backwards for that

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Remember that AMD drones never learn.

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>>61032987
>Fury X is at 1070 levels

Man how come all AMD owners on /g/ magically gain 30% more performance than non-/g/ AMD owners?

>>61032992
yeah right, it's impossible to game on ryzen, I forgot

>>61032987
you mean 1060 levels

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>>61033017
it's technically possible if you turn down settings a bit you might achieve somewhat smooth 1080p 60fps gaming on modern titles yea

>>61032992
>Retards took one demo out of context
>Completely ignored that Ryzen 7's real competition was the i7-6900K
>Which it matched for half the price http://imgur.com/a/wMm1C
>All launch day issues with games have pretty much been ironed out by now

You're not making a very compelling point here, dumbass.

>AMD now trickling "Wait for Navi" rhetoric into their "leaker" guerrilla marketing arms

This damage control is so hopeless and pathetic as to be outright piteous.

RTG/ATI is over. Put a fork in it. AMD needs to sell RTG immediately before they tank the actually decent CPU division.

>>61033096
Ryzen can get way more than 60 FPS in modern titles at 1080p. The few exceptions are poorly coded garbage like ARMA 3 and Fallout 4.

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>>61033197
How the fuck does any of what that MSI guy said translate to "Wait for Navi"?

>>61032992

>implying that CPU single-thread matters that much with 1080P gaming. Even a shitty Bulldozer can easily pump out 150FPS on those shitty FPS titles.

>>61033214
my 8 yo Athlon X2 can get 60fps in indie gayms too anon, we're talking about AAAs such as ARMA 3 and Fallout 4 coincidentally

>>61033226
https://www.twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/877972194755837952

>J-just air for Navi... You'll see... Trust us...

sounds like they were close to 1080ti performance and decided to beat it at the cost of efficiency

expecting a superb price/performance card near nvidia's top end

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>>61033250
>AAAs such as ARMA 3 and Fallout 4
They're dogshit. Fuck you. Fuck off.

>>61033255
Navi is supposed to bring Infinity Fabric to GPUs, which would be pretty amazing .. if they can pull it off. Remains to be seen if they can. He still says Vega will be worth it, though.

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>>61033250
Todd, is that you?

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>>61029316
amdbro's, is it over for us? is zen the only thing we can look forward to these days? i really want vega to be good, but there's no way they will even steal marketshare from nvidia even if it is somehow the next r9 290.

>>61033274
who the fuck spends hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on a cpu, just for gaymen..

>>61033321
if what twittergoy said is true,
Vega confirmed to be 90% 1080 levels @ slightly above 1070 price, which is a cute little niche i guess

>>61029316
I seriously doubt Vega is power efficient.
AMD GPUs aren't efficient in any aspect.

Vega will be 10% slower than the 1080ti
Faster in AMD titles (AOS doom)
Will beat the 1080ti in 1 year after driver updates.
Then the 1180 will come out and AMD will be 2 years behind again.

>>61033343
>Vega will be 10% slower than the 1080ti
they actually hinted it to be 10% slower than a regular 1080, but much cheaper

>>61033394
You know, I actually wouldn't mind this, as long as it's significantly cheaper. Like so cheap, 1080 is a fucking retarded purchase, even after an Nvidia price drop

Sounds like Vega is going to be a repeat of 290X

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Aw man
Guess we'll just wait™ for Navi then

>>61033485
A 1080 is literally the only GPU worth buying right now due to mining inflation, 1070's cost the same amount as 1080's now. Meanwhile a 1080 is only $400 in the US.

>>61033527
>some random retards on twitter shitposting
>hurr durr vega is DOA

kys cuck

>>61033485
more power to you firend,
still I'd get a 1070 bc of better power consumption and features

>>61033555
it's not about the 2 assholes shitposting, it's about the guy with inside knowledge stfu when they did and being too scared to prove them wrong (hint. he couldn't bc they're right)

>>61033590
Retard #1 is just trying to bait more info. Doesn't make any sense to bite. NDAs and all. And retard #2 doesn't even seem to realize consumer volta isn't coming out until next fucking year. Neither of them are worth replying to.

>>61032809
>>61032873
Yeah, the response is "depends on the performance you get in return [for the wattage]".

Seems to say that yeah, it uses more power than a 1080 or 1080Ti, but it's also better performance (at least in DX12/Vulkan and 4K, presumably)

>>61033639
No read the thread, insider guy admitted volta>1080ti and somewhat above 580 but with better price.

My guess: 1070ish levels maybe a bit weaker but excellent price/perf

>>61033675
I meant <1080ti obv.

>>61033675
i think it will probably be a 1080 ish with 1070 price

>>61033675
That would make sense. Nvidia has a shit presence in the midrange and budget market, which are the most profitable

>>61032905
Fury X is already on 1070 levels anon

>>61031772
This is specifically referring to the tessellation throughput of the front end, it is not IPC, or even total performance.
Don't make wild assumptions about things you don't fully understand. AMD fanboys always build up undue hype then end up burning everyone when reality doesn't meet your false expectations.

>>61033590
My homey Fott is just trying to get more traffic to his site. He lives off of the money he makes on BitsandChips.

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>>61033787

>>61033854
Is that the same face you make when you're a balding hack?

>>61033787
maybe dx12 vulkan mode that no games use. real numbers point to 1070. going to be delicious when I shove your face in the benchmarks cuck

>>61033887
A balding hack that made himself a millionaire from talking into a camera for youtube AnCaps.

>>61033343
>AMD GPUs aren't efficient in any aspect
Having proper scheduling is totally worth 20-30watts of overhead.

>>61033814
Reminder to report shitposters.

Anyway, AMD is sandbagging as always.
Boring.

>>61033900
So you're telling me a 1060 is faster than a Fury X?

>>61033900
real numbers:
2xVegaCF=90% 1080ti
meaning
Vega=85% 1070

>>61033956
Anon Fury X at ~1500mhz is some 15% slower than 1080ti. Stop shitposting you tech illiterate /v/edditor.

Whole lotta
>Source: My ass
going on in here.

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>>61033975

>>61030656
Sorry buddy but everything I've seen lately tells me Vega is going to be another bulldozer

It seems they have somehow regressed performance from polaris - and if they just put out a polaris card with refinements they would've actually been better off.

That's why we haven't heard a peep about how good vega is. It's probably going to be 1080-ish, overpriced, and draw way too much juice. I might be better off buying a 1070 even though I hate nvidia.

AMD seriously fucked this one up.

Put white people in charge of development, stop the diversity hires.

>>61033956
RX480 with 36CU offers over 60% of the GTX 1080's performance at 1080p.
Thats 36 Polaris CU at 1200mhz~

Vega has higher IPC, 64CU, and is clocked over 1500mhz. Even if IPC were totally the same the GPU would perform better than the 1080 simply by having more CU and adequate memory to feed it. With higher clocks it'd outperform the 1080ti.

AMD could have just made a bigger Polaris with HBM and beat the 1080ti.
Vega is targeting Volta performance.

>>61034064
>Vega is targeting Volta performance.
Nah, the die is too small.

>>61033675
>excellent price/perf
>375 watts

Yeah I'll believe it when I see it.

Everything about this thing screams mistake

>>61034081
Its not, not even close.
64CU, IPC improvements, high clocks.

GCN's only hitches have been low clocks due to the short pipeline, and poor memory management. AMD has been addressing both of those head on.

>>61034081
They aren't putting that fuckhueg die into consumer volta, else it's going to cost as much as a small car.

>>61034040
>Put white people in charge of development, stop the diversity hires.

This is /g/. Take your antiscience garbage elsewhere.
What the heck does skin pigmentation have to do with ability to design GPUs is beyond me.

Is it something about sunburn or what? Idiot.

>>61034040
That's the worst bait i've seen today.

>>61034064
>Even if IPC were totally the same the GPU would perform better than the 1080

Here's the mistake you've made:
You've assumed they improved IPC instead of regressing.

It wouldn't be the first time AMD's achieved such a feat.

>>61034141
>ethnicity is only skin color
You're the one espousing the antiscience opinions there, pal.

>>61034141
>>61034157
go back to /pol/

>>61034135
GV102 is certainly going to be ~550mm^2.

>>61034161
Actually it is just skin color. The concept of ethnicity is based on country of origin and melanin saturation in the skin determined by sun exposure. So yeah.

>>61034040
>It seems
>It's probably going to be
that's some very compelling arguments you have there

>>61034040
Raja is not a diversity hire you stupid fuck.
>>61034158
Really don't think AMD is going to make the same mistake twice.

>>61034228
Your conspiratard shtick doesn't work here with people with an actual education.
RACE=SKIN COLOR

>>61034256
>evolution isn't real
Thats an awfully dogmatic, antiscience opinion you've got there.

What the fuck is this thread? Discuss GPUs you niggers.

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>>61034301
>n*****s
great, another poltard
moooooooooooods ban them pls

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disgusting, raja just pooed right on the radeon line the madman actually did it

>>61034273
No evolution is real, it just works in a way that doesn't fit your shitty racist narrative. People are fucking people, and melanin is the only determining factor in skin color and race.

Sorry youre a stupid sperglord. >>>/Pol/

>>61034456
take your political shitflinging back to /pol/, idiot

>>61029316
>amd
>housefire

no, say it aint so

>>61034536
>>61034541
I think you're attacking the wrong comment.

>>61034533
>Imagine being this fucking retarded.

I want everyone in this thread including myself to die tonight.

>>61034671
None of those are facts though. They're contrived platitudes of racist dribble from alt-autists. Obviously you've never picked up a biology textbook in your fucking life.

>>61034533
Go back to /pol/ faggot.

>>61033675
That makes no fucking sense.
Vega 11 is what's "somewhat above RX580", since Vega 11 will be the RX680, RX670, RX660, etc. But that's not coming for another half a year or so.

>>61034692
not even that guy but lel

>>61034637
No, I'm not. Go whine and bitch about how you don't believe in evolution on /pol/ where it belongs and stop fucktarding up the entire thread.

>>61034775
Evolution is real though. Can you read?

>>61034671
You know what?
I'm fucking glad white genocide is happening.
I fucking dream of a future without any more smug assholes like you.
Tic toc moron, time is running out

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>when the racist sperglord gets banned from /g/

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>>61034828
right on.
Reminder that /g/ is a lgbtqp+ friendly, multicultural, antiracist, progressive board

>>61033324
People who want the best. Honestly if it's a hobby then people will spend on it. Everytime I get my check from the postal office I go out and buy me a pair of shoes, the shoes can range from 100-200$ I do so because I like shoes and it's a hobby. Just because you cant fathom yourself doing something doesn't mean other people cant either. Some people like to immerse themselves in games and they want to play with the best experience possible even if that includes paying a premium on products to do so.

>>61033951
it probably is for goyworks titles where they crank the tessellation and shit to the moon to overwhelm amd and older nvidia frontends

>>61034132
And the frontends being easily overwhelmed by the same tricks used to cuck older geforce owners. Polaris improved on that but Vega is supposed to take things even further

t. GTX 780 owner

>>61034871
reminder that /pol/ has anons in literally every board

>>61030656
>it will be very fast

it'll be 1.5x Fury speeds, which will be enough against 1080 (non-Ti) but not against upcoming Volta.

the people who keep saying it'll destroy 1080 are in fact NVidia shills. They keep saying how the new AMD card will be the second coming of jesus, then they'll bash it for being a disappointment because it is only 1080 levels. They did the same shit when the 480 was released, called it as 1080 level, then bashed it for not being one, even though everyone who saw the leaks knew that it was as fast as the 390x just with less memory bandwidth.

>>61035773
Yeah this. They want the really hard downfall to make Nvidia look good.

>>61034203
Whilst go back to Pol applies, you're also a fool if you think there is no genetic basis to ethnicity.

>>61035869
And it relates to a handful of hereditary disorders and autoimmune diseases that have nothing to do with intelligence or racial superiority. It's just that when you mention this, /pol/tards go "YUH MEAN BROWN PEOPLE CAN GET SICK IN DIFFERENT WAYS??!!!?!!" and fail to understand that the increase in likelyhood of these diseases is about 1-2% more in these ethnicities and doesn't constitute special medical treatment and/or anything related to hormones or bone structure. That's some retarded eugenics shit.

>>61035773
A vega with 4096 cores clock at 1600+mhz is only going to be 1.5x faster than a Fury with 3584 core clocked at 1,000mhz?
Completely discounting any architecture improvements its 1.83x the speed of a Fury card

>>61034797
Racist bigot arguing for genocide. Mods delete this guy too

>>61036013
Why the fuck people think Vega is in any way similar to previous GCN iterations in anything but fucking SIMT width?

HURRY UP AND RELEASE 1070 COMPETITOR

>>61036153
That's Vega11 and it's gonna be later.

>>61036012
Dumbest shit I've read all day.

You fail biology forever dumbass.

>>61029316
Should be 50% faster than a Fury X at the same power draw, I don't see the issue here.

>>61036174
Please tell me why I'm wrong then.

>>61036174
Racist retard is back back to /pol/

>>61036174
Nice non argument you got there shit for brains.

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>>61036047
I wasn't arguing FOR genocide.
I'm just glad white genocide is happening because there seem to be tons of bad apples in this camp, i.e. /pol/ and all those nasty people

>>61036013
>A vega with 4096 cores clock at 1600+mhz is only going to be 1.5x faster than a Fury with 3584 core clocked at 1,000mhz?

Fiji aka Fury X was 4096 cores and everyone said it was super awesome, until it came out and everybody found out that it wasn't.

And every bench so far said that it's 1080 level in performance, which would be the 1.6x increase compared to Fiji. Considering that it already eats 375W just to reach 1600MHz with water cooling, the normal non-x Vega cards will be even slower.

Stop making it sound like the card is a NVidia killer. It isn't, and the more hype you build up, the more disappointing it will be.

What Vega will be is a competitor that ultimately drives down the 1070/1080/ti prices. It might be interesting for the content creator market, if it indeed has fucking m.2 ssds embedded on its PCB (that's the rumour, judging by the unnecessarily large board it has).

>>61036718
>>61036718
Fury needed to keep the clocks efficient. It had massive bandwidth if you could utilize it. It's definitely built for multi-GPU setups moreso than a single card, given the efficiency of using shaders en mass without nuclear clocks.

>>61036413
>gibs me duh playnit

Is this nigger seriously justifying genocide because someone of uncorfirmable origin on the boogieman board hurt his/her/its feelsies?

>>61036207
>>61036221
>>61036241
Dumbasses can't into statistics.

No one will be able to buy one for 6 months because much crypto.

>>61037667

No one is able to buy shit. The GPU makers need to shut the crypto cunts down.

I don't know what makers to support anymore.

Intel is literally jewish and AMD has a bunch of affirmative action hires running the GPU division.

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I've already got a 1070 AMD.

>>61037735
But the Vega GPU is faster than that

>>61037735
Where is that smug loli from?

>>61033999
Not him but that's a perfectly viable argument you fucking retard.
You really think nvidia or amd would make the next High-End GPU of their new Architecture slower than the previous iteration? You realize how retarded you sound for claiming that right?

Fury X is faster than the 1060, and not THAT slower than a 1080, you really fucking think that a new generation is going to be slower or at the same performance of a 1060 if the previous is way way WAY faster than a 1060?
No way this is bait, that's just you being fucking retarded.

Delid your brain you mongoloid, it's frying with your stupidity.

>>61038230

She's got the biggest dick in town.

>>61038399
SAUCE NIGGA I NEED SAUCE

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>>61038439

Literally first result on google, use that to reverse image search.

>>61032992
I feel bad for the retard that attempted to make a forced meme and spent a dozen hours trying to compose an infographic that's no better than Buzzfeed news articles; writing a narrative and cherrypicking information that supports your narrative, ignoring all other facts.

Someday you'll grow up and realize people can buy whatever's best for the price, without brandfagging for any company.

>>61029316
when is vega releasing?

Friendly reminder that 1080ti draws 270-290w from the GPU, not from socket.
If if performs as good as it, why is it a problem again?

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>>61038639
forgot pic.

>>61038637
end of august

>>61038637
SIGGRAPH 30th July for reference
August for AiBs

>>61038665
You mean 250w, the 50ms peak have nothing to do...

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>>61038714
duh, same way all this is speculated about power consumption has nothing to do with averages it may as well be same 250 or 225 from slides

>>61035488
I thought there were no women on /g/?

>>61034692
Not that guy, but they literally are.
There are also only 2 genders.

>>61039446
gooberglumper

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>61038753
390x still scoring higher than nearly all cards.
>finewine

>>61031854
what I believe is just basing it off polaris efficiency, vega will be halfway between 1080 and ti closer to the ti then the 1080 at worst for its 8gb full chip version.

efficiency gains post polaris and clock speed over 1525 will push it closer to 1080ti, with a peak possibility being it lands near a titan xp. Technically amd should be ahead of the titan xp, but full card utilization at all times has been an issue with larger gcn cards.

>>61030475
crossfire is absolute shit and unplayable because of added input lag.

>>61040995
>but full card utilization at all times has been an issue with larger gcn cards
at least learn official specs, and changes to gcn before posting empty speculation

>>61041008
so is SLI

>>61030475
Fuck off you retarded drone. Don't set expectation that ridiculously high only to be blown the fuck out by sub <1080 performance. At most, RX Vega will be between a 1070 and 1080 and priced competitively. Anyone expecting anything more is delusional.

>>61041136
this.
Vega is probably gonna be Fury X tier

>>61041136
>At most, RX Vega will be between a 1070 and 1080 and priced competitively.
In other words, it will be a huge disappointment. We've had 1070 and 1080 performance for a year now.

As usual, AMD are entering the race when Nvidia has already won, fucked all the bitches, spent the prize money and is preparing for the next race.

>>61041255
It'll have it's game where it will shine but overall I really don't expect much from it. If AMD is smart, they price is at least 50-100 bucks bellow the competition. If it's truly somewhere around a 1070/80 they need to price it for no more than 400, better yet if they price it at 350. AMD knows that they cannot compete in the absolute high-end but they might actually give us a somewhat decent 1440p/144fps /4k mid 60 fps card.

Only problem I see is that you can already pick up a used 980ti for ~300 bucks.

>>61033324
Spoiled gaymer boyz

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>Vega will perform on par with 1080 in most games, liquid cooled version will outperform it
>will not beat 1080ti, but within 10fps most ott
>will be priced at $399 for vanilla and $499 for liquid cooled
>price will change the game for the time being and cause a wave of purchases, before Nvidia's response
>Nvidia's response outperforms everyone for a short time, but people that just bought Vega won't be ready to buy again yet
>q4 2018, Navi drops, and offers huge performance increases over Vega, and edges out Nvidia just about the time people are ready to update again

This is the plan.
Screencap this.

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>>61041332
>980ti
>flawless 1440/144fps/4k

>>61041384
No, the plan is to make the best pixel-pushing GPU, R300-way. With added bonus of 2xFP16 for meme learning.

>>61041384
>price will change the game for the time being and cause a wave of purchases
yea, about that, if it's going to be x3 better than 580 at mining nobody will see that card for a long time

>>61038714
>whoops. why did my computer shut down?

>Vega has HBCC
>which allows you to work with multi-TB data sets
>due to a virtual address space
>8-16GB of HBM2

>Ethereum mining is dependent on VRAM rather than computational power
>HBCC and 512TB virtual address space makes this card fucking perfect for mining

Expect to see massive shortages of the GPU, despite power/heat issues, that gamers will still flock to Nvidia due their cards having more availability than AMD.

>>61034203
Fucking moron. You're talking about race, not ethnicity. Ethnicity is related culture more than genes. STFU retard

>>61044027
>>>/pol/

>>61044020
>epyc breaks record in monero
Expect shortages in the cpu market too.

>>61030475
>crossfire 480's is literally a 1080!
>I mean crossfire 580's is literally a 1080ti!
Clockwork

>>61044027
>>>/Pol/

>>61033303
I was literally having her voice, at the end of every sentence doing the "ka-na? ka-na?" or how ever you'd spell it every time it was supposed to he her voice.

>>61034797
>im glad white genocide is happening

Oh, jesus, the culture war mythology is real.

>>61034203
https://fanghornforest.wordpress.com/hate-facts/
back, to the cold dark hivemind of plebbit politics with you

>>61047133
>>>/pol/

J*sus we really need instaban on the grounds of racism

>>61044112
>miners buy everything
>everybody migrates to tablets/smartphones
>AMD, nVidia and Intel make miner hardware only
FUTUR IS SO BRIGTH

>>61029316
HBM is so useless

>>61048575
t. miner
t. nvidia

>>61048587
>300w

>>61048575
Which is why nvidia uses it in their production cards?