Windows 10 hate thread

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>>61022897
Install Debian with XFCE.

>>61023305
So?

What do you mean it doesn't boot from CD?
The first thing you should have done is going to UEFI and switching it to BIOS mode, so you can enter BIOS at startup and choose boot medium.

Click the shutdown option while holding Shift.

>>61023400
I entered BIOS, but there was no option for booting from CD.

>>61023305
It all just looks so official. Makes me hate it all the more. Miss NT style and function. Now it has to look like it's doing something important or competitive and not just function and be more clear to understand and use.

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Why does everyone throw a hissy fit about updating? The whole reason Microsoft has to force these updates down your throat is because everyone would ignore critical updates out of laziness, then whine when their computer get infected or looped into a actual botnet.

Just update your fucking computer for Christ's sake. It's not some crazy conspiracy to steal your porn browsing habits, it's to keep your computer from being the malware ridden shitshow windows is famous for, since "I don't wanna restart /download updates" is the meme of the century

>>61022897
Fuck Windows 10.

>>61023625
Once I installed an update on windows 7, and my antivirus detected 200 malware files afterwards.

>>61023642
> What is a false positive

That or you suck at using a computer safely

The fucking state of computing right now.

Windows 10: Literally malware. Microsoft wanting to snoop on you and shove ads and Candy Crush at you constantly, now actually preventing Home and Pro users from disabling their "Consumer Experience" bullshit

Apple: Insane greed - charge you an extra £1000 for the same hardware specs, all soldered, and won't guarantee it'll work for more than a year unless you pay them hundreds more for Applecare

Linux: Cobbled-together shite for nerds who have way too much time on their hands.
>inb4 "Works perfectly for me, nothing ever breaks, must be you"
Still doesn't have GOOD photo editing packages (Lightroom, Photoshop). No, GIMP and Darktable do not constitute 'good'.

Honestly don't know where to turn, what a mess

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>>61022897

(you) deserve Win-tan. Hope (you) are condemned to use it forever.

>>61023625
The update process for Windows is extremely slow and annoying.

>>61023625
Or (You) know just use Common Sense™ 2017 and protect (you)rself from malware. Better yet, don't use Windows 10 and use a real OS.

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>>61023687
Because every idiot believes there's some crazy conspiracy to telemetry instead of realizing the developers need information to fix the bugs that pop up.

Telemetry exists because after a decade of idiots running to MS screaming "MY MICROSOFT DON'T WORK" with absolutely no logs or leads, Microsoft finally said "Fuck you all" and forced it on so they don't have to deal with the public's incompetence to debug Windows and fix critical issues.

Also the "ads everywhere" is so overblown. You can take off any application that advertises form the start menu in under a minute, and if you hate ads just ignore the Windows Store, that's the only source of the Modern UI apps and the mobile ads that follow.

Stop being an dumbass about this, there's plenty to hate about Windows 10 but these are some of the most worthless complains about it.

>>61023707
Tough shit, pick a day during the month and do it.

It's like people would rather lose thier entire system and all the data on it vs updating once a month.

Plus these are the same morons who don't make backups of important stuff ever.

>>61023748
Except for anything that is able to exploit a critical vulnerability without user interaction, which happens frequently.

You aren't infallible, you will make mistakes, some things you can not avoid by just "playing it smart"

Update your fucking software like a sane human being.

> Use a real Operating System

Oh sure, OS "Buy a Mac" or everyone's favorite repurposes server OS

Wonderful, so do you not update those too? Just to see if you really are braindead.

>install windows 10
>it's shit
>uninstall windows 10
fucking windows

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>>61023754
> Microsoft: too incompetent to debug their flagship operating system and fix critical issues before passing it out of alpha development.

FTFY, no charge.

> Microsoft said "Fuck you all"

to their entire customer base every day for the past 30 years.

Yes. We are well-aware of that.

>>61023754
>using nerd as a pejorative

pleb

>>61023798
> critical vulnerability without user interaction, which happens frequently.
This is why I keep back ups for all of my files in case something like Wannacry comes along and mass-infects computers.
Like seriously, if you know what you're doing, you're not gonna run into problems and not needing to update or have anti-virus software.

>>61023798
the updates they provide are not breaking my shit
unlike w10

>>61023754
I sort of get the telemetry and update enforcement issues, but it really needs an "I'm a big boy now and can take responsibility for my own decisions, you don't have to babysit me" switch.

And every update, fucking Candy Crush redownloads itself. How is advertising seen as acceptable in an OS that costs upwards of £100? Ubuntu nerds threw an absolute shitfit when the lens included some Amazon results, and you were actually allowed to turn that off (and it took like 2 seconds)

>>61023842
What do you mean incompetent. Users by far don't understand how debugging works, so they run to Microsoft screaming "Fix it" without actually having any idea of what the problem is, which in turn means Microsoft doesn't know what the fuck you're whining about.

Telemetry just takes the user out of the picture so the don't have to understand the problem in order for Microsoft to identify and fix it. It's just an automatic crash reporter 90% of the time, expect for the autist who insist the NSA gives two shits about thier Anime collection, or that somehow telemetry is the primary way they try to obtain this Information (hint, it's exploits like Wannacry and direct attacks on the companies)

Also this still doesn't address that a lot of these problems come from people's computers being fucked from not updating, which again, Microsoft has to force people to do.

Most of the changes in 10 just accept that most users are genuinely incompetent, and just push important stuff into the background automatically so the user can't fuck it up like they usually manage to.

>>61023905
Absolutely not.

We have had nearly 30 years of Microsoft Operating Systems. Every year there's more and more people who have no detailed understanding of Windows using it, and expecting it to just work.

Even when you had to know what you were doing much more in order to use a computer, people were lazy and didn't practice good security.

I fully support Microsoft dropping the hammer on this issue. People are idiots, don't even attempt to practice good security, and get lazy.

Automatic Updates removes the most inconsistent factor of cyber security, people

when will the "100% HDD usage with constant 2.5MB/s disk activity" meme end?
it really slows down my laptop

>>61024012
>Every year there's more and more people who have no detailed understanding of Windows using it, and expecting it to just work. if windows were like linux and not completely dumbed down like it is now people would be forced to actually learn how to use the shit

>>61024012
>People are idiots
Isn't that true for literally everything ever? It's pointless to tack on these restrictive "features" that at the end of the day will only make users jump ship. If people don't want to update, that's on them and they should know full well the risks involved. Microsoft shouldn't have to babysit it's userbase.

>>61024133
Do you mind actually saying what process is using it, and not being a perfect example of users who give useless information on problems?

Do you have a page file set? If your computer is using the page file to make up for lack of Ram, and your hard drive is slow, that would explain it

>>61024135
No, that's not how consumer technology works at all.

Do you know how to service your refrigerator in the even that it breaks? What if I told you you need to understand thermodynamics in order to keep your lunch cold?

Applicances need to be at a level where a normal Joe can just plug it in and more or less let it work on its own. Unfortunately for enthusiasts, computers are appliances at this point for most people. Simplicity is key at the end of the day.

>>61023625
Hi, Pajeet.

>>61023953
Yes, and if it was possible to turn it off, maybe while also invalidating your access to Windows support lines, I would mind.

>>61024233
>>61023953
*wouldn't mind

>>61024184
With a refrigerator i can go on and fix it and i do that not with the refrigerator specifically since mine never broke down but other things around the house
On Windows 10 they take away the option to fix it it´s like they made your refrigerator impossible to repair because the user might break it
and i agree the appliences have to be at a level the general plebs can use it but that does not imply they should not allow for higher complexity because only if you allow the plebs to use a more complex system they could learn to be more proficient

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>>61022897
delete this

>>61024152
Jump shit to what exactly?

Linux? Do you think the normal guy or gal even knows what that is? Or how to install it? Or how to use the terminal? Half of them will be wondering "Why can't I install Photoshop" or whatever other windows only software that they've come to expect. More importantly if anything breaks, they're absolutely screwed if they can't find the solution themselves, which they won't.

OS X? Most people don't wanna spend $1000+ on a laptop, so it's out of the price range for most people looking to buy a computer. On top of that, they're learning a whole new OS. Who complains about the minor changes in Windows 10, so they go to a totally new OS in protest.

Beyond that, most normies don't care or even know about half these updates. They only moan because "My computer said it NEEDS to update, even though it warned me about this for days in advance"

>>61024267
I take that English is your second language...

I know everyone wants to circle jerk about computers being complicated, they are, but at the end of the day it causes problems for the users and maintainers because people make mistakes. If a decade of real world experience shows users WILL NOT do the right thing no matter how hard you try to convince them too, why is everyone upset that Microsoft took initiative and does it for you?

You keep talking about "people who are more capable", but you're literally asking Microsoft to let you turn off security updates because "I don't wanna download stuff, and I don't like restating". It's the same bullshit that lead to MS enforcing this in the first place.

>>61024282
I'm referring to experienced users that are fed up with the constant hand-holding. Perhaps if someone would teach the average normie to find the Command Prompt, we wouldn't be having a Communist China OS.

>>61024329
If the average person could be taught things, we wouldn't have half the problems that exist in the world.

When you move out of your idealistic fairytale lane where people want to learn, you accept that most people just aren't very smart, or more kindly, are only good at a few select things.

Expecting everyone to know how to use a computer safely is silly, because it's never gonna happen. That's why you design to keep it simple, and hide as much complexity from the user as possible. More options just means more ways an unskilled user can screw up.

>>61024322
>I take that English is your second language...
yes and sorry

>why is everyone upset that Microsoft took initiative and does it for you?
it´s not about them taking the initiative for all it matters keep everything as is by default
the thing that bothers me is the lack of ability to change it

> but you're literally asking Microsoft to let you turn off security updates
wrong
i am more than fine with security updates
i have always gone on and installed them manually on win7
the problem comes from the updates that have nothing to do with security and my inability to check and not install them

>>61024233
Microsoft can't just do that, Windows runs like 90% of all desktop/laptop computers.

They don't have the luxury of saying "Sorry not supported" when a vulnerability could mean almost every computer in the world could become a target for cyber attacks and data theif if Microsoft sits idle.

If it got really bad, they'd get flamed and sued for "doing nothing"

Not forcing updates is a lose lose for the company.

>>61024388
I'm saying there should be a switch that gives you a bright red pop up saying "if you turn off telemetry, you will no longer be eligible for tech support"

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>>61022897
So OP you're complaining about your OS being updated?

>>61024377
They're almost always stability updates, just because it doesn't say "critical" doesn't mean it's useless.

More importantly I'm fairly sure you're allowed to cue up not critical updates to wait until the next critical update to be applied in the settings.

Updates are annoying at best, not something for all this irrational hate to be aimed at, and almost completely justified on Microsofts part to keep WannaCry like attacks at bay (MFW Microsoft patched WannaCry two months before the outbreak, if you got hit its completely the victims fault)

>>61024353
>More options just means more ways an unskilled user can screw up.
And that's why instruction manuals exist as well as a plethora of resources to Google how to solve a problem. Me or anyone else who knows how to use a computer properly shouldn't be punished for a minority.

>>61024449
You aren't being punished, you have to restart your computer like once or twice a month for updates, and you can even delay it for a few days just to make sure you're ready. It's not a big deal.

Also notice how it's the "experienced users" who seem to be the only ones ACTIVELY TRYING TO UNDO THE THING MICROSOFT IMPLEMENTED TO AVOID SECURITY HAZARDS?

Like I would LOVE to get a statistic of how many people who go out of their way to block forced updates get infected with something they don't notice down the line.

>>61024417
i was specifically refering to updates that add "features" and no i don´t want to just cue them up i don´t want them period

> if you got hit its completely the victims fault
i absolutely agree and i don´t see anyone pretending otherwise

>>61024500
Like what exactly? The only one that stands out as annoying is the Candy Crush deal they have going, and you can just ignore it and not open it at all. The only downside is a little bandwidth, and if that's limited you should try to get an ISP that isn't trying to fuck you in the ass for money.

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OP, hopefully you're still in this thread, because the freeware program O&O ShutUp10 will fix most of your annoyances with one click. Disables automatic updates, telemetry, advertisements, and a fuckload more (pic related.)

Also, if anyone ever asks you "what exactly is wrong with Windows 10?" just show them this picture. Lists out like 50+ criticisms (though most are subjective of course.)

>>61024404
You mean like the "You should install your updates and restart" dialog in Windows 7 that everyone universally ignored?

People don't read warnings half the time, and if the problem was severe enough, Microsoft could still be liable to be sued for criminal negligence in some courts.

You have FAR to much faith in the competence of mankind.

>>61024525
living with a monopoly of a single shit isp is not a good livingsituation i fear

>>61024576
Welcome to late stage capitalism /s

>>61024567
Make the switch hard to find, then. It's not something that tech illiterate retards will be looking for anyway. If they can have people sign away their rights without getting sued, they won't get sued for something as basic as this.

>>61024549
Enjoy your zero day malware! Nice ultity though.

>>61024489
>You aren't being punished
So the forced updates when someone is in the middle of something important and it turns out that your work wasn't saved, or the constant NSA-style spying is a good thing? Taking away someone's rights for some shitty """"Protection"""" ? I call bullshit. As long you have some sense upstairs and know the necessary steps to take to solve a problem, you shouldn't have to deal with this crap.

>>61023771
>pick a day during the month and do it.
more like a whole weekend
10 installing updates
20 reboot
30 configuring updates
40 reboot
50 configuring updates
60 something happened™
70 reboot
80 undoing changes
90 reboot
100 undoing changes
110 goto 10

>>61024614
Except Microsoft doesn't want ANYONE to turn it off in an ideal world. Any internet facing computer should be running secure software that doesn't have known vulnerabilities.

If you must keep your install on a specific version of windows for whatever reason, take it offline until you're ready to update.

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>>61024648
k

>>61024654
That's the problem, though. I'd rather have to fix viruses myself than have telemetry. I've used Windows XP, 7, and 8.1 for years and never had a virus or any need for tech support, and until I'm allowed to have the same level of control over windows 10, I'll stay with 7.

Is there a skin for Win10 that fixes the minimize button?

>>61024622
It warns you DAYS IN ADVANCE. It also gives you the option to set an explicit TIME AND DATE FOR WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN.

If you get caught in the middle of something, it's almost entirely your own fault.

Points back to my point, people don't read warnings.

E V E R

>>61023400
some (shit) bios just straight up don't support it.

>>61024699
>when it will happen
>not "when I say it can happen"

You see. Windows 7 didn't have this issue ever. It would tell me about updates but I could postpone it indefinitely if I chose to. I should update in my time, not whenever windows says it's going to. I shouldn't have to set up "active hours" bullshit. That's just a crappie cop out bandaid for the bigger problem that is forcing me to update when ever it feels like regardless of what I'm doing. I've lost so many rendering projects because I'm trying to render some shit that takes for fucking ever and windows will shutdown without giving me a chance to save or anything.

>>61024699
>If you get caught in the middle of something, it's almost entirely your own fault.
This should never happen because windows should never force me to install anything

>>61024413
No, I am complaining that they don't give me a choice without doing some additional time wasting.

>>61024684
Aka control freak

>>61024788
Not an argument

>>61024699
Totally agree with what >>61024753 says, people should have a choice on when to update. Also just because a minority doesn't want to take the time and read instructions, doesn't mean I or anyone else should suffer the consequences of said person. All of these restrictions makes the user feel like an animal in a cage.

>>61024800
Just like how "I'd rather get viruses than do error reporting" is a stupid argument

>>61023642
I have never had this after an update, like someone else has said, you're just fucking shit at using the computer.

>>61024839
Because it's not an argument, it's a personal preference that most people here seem to share, and it would be nice to have the option. I would upgrade immediately if they offered it.

>>61024753
Yeah, postpone it indefinitely usually becomes "eternally" because people wouldn't actually commit to the updates for months or years. It can't help patch a vulnerability if you don't install the fucking thing ever.

Also what is it that you are doing that you spend days rendering, yet you can't check that it isn't patch Tuesday? It just sounds like your arent even attempting to adapt.

>>61024760
Except it should, since you wouldn't have done it anyways even if it begged you too.

Wannacry was also a non issue on Windows 10 because of Microsoft's aggressive update policy, probably the least stressful mass exploit they've dealt with in years since it only hit 7 and XP.

They're never gonna a back down from this, there's too many pros for everyone.

>>61024859
Because this is /g/, half of the people here parrot anything non mainstream they hear as the word of God.

>>61024772
Because your choice is idiotic. Just because it's your personal opinion doesn't mean it's right, or a good idea

>>61024859
It's a stupid personal opinion though. Just because it's a personal opinion, it doesn't make it right or even a good idea.


You're actively screaming for the option to put yourself at risk of preventable malware attacks just because you don't wanna restart your computers once a month. It's so short sighted and foolish

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>>61022897
>Buy HP Elitebook x360
>Wlan is complete shit and always loses connection.
>try to contact their support
>mfw their business support can't speak decent german and even fucks up serial number
>sends me to consumer support
>where they tell me I'm wrong
>sends me to the right people
>get thrown out of the call for no reason at all
>call again, computer voice takes forever, 17:59 the support is closed, get kicked out of call
>decide to go for the support forum
>"have you tried our business support", rest wasn't helpful at all
>decide to wipe the laptop, send it back and get a new one
>turns out after the windows updates are reset the wlan is fine
>mfw
Windows 10 is a steaming pile of bullshit.

>>61024859
> I would upgrade immediately if they offered it.

Is this the new "i would totally get windows 8 if it wasn't for the taskbar"

>>61024969
You do realize you can uninstall individual update packages if they break things right? Just remove the specific update that breaks WLAN

>>61025015
Pretty much

>>61025025
I didn't know it was an update that killed the card. I had the thing for less than 24 hours and it didn't work from the start, I just assumed the wlan card had a defect.

>>61024962
Because I don't like my rights violated, retard.

>>61024875
>Yeah, postpone it indefinitely usually becomes "eternally" because people wouldn't actually commit to the updates for months or years. It can't help patch a vulnerability if you don't install the fucking thing ever.
No those windows 7 updates would happen within 4 hours

>build my first PC
>buy Windows 10
>its fucking shit the memes are real
>end up using Pirated 7

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>>61024012
>society should cater to idiots

>>61025084
Except you could just delay it again after those 4 hours, endlessly. Even if you ignored it it wouldn't enforce the restart.

And then people who were annoyed by that would turn the updates off entirely.

Another shining example of how people do the worst possible thing for themselves out of laziness

>>61025093
I love the people who just say "IT A BAD" without actually saying why.

>>61025067
Oh no, error reporting is a crime to humanity! What ever shall we do?

>>61025134
idiots make up 90% of society, so yes.

>>61024969
>Make a Mircosoft account for download the trail version of Microsoft Office
>Connect my brand new account to my laptop
>gets locked out after turning it off and on again

I have a 500 dollar paper weight now. Thanks Mircosoft.

>>61025238
>install win10 on my 3k video editing rig
>psu catches fire spontaneously due the spywarez

Thanks Micro$hit

>refusing to update your system
Why? Can anyone actually give me a real reason why you wouldn't update your system? Yes, Windows' update process is slow and annoying, but don't act like your time is so valuable that you can't afford to spend a few minutes rebooting your computer once a month.

>>61025146
No not endlessly. At the end of the day you're going to bed I really doubt you're gonna wake up in the middle of the night to hit "postpone" again and go back to bed. It would always happen within 4 hours. If you went away for 4 hours went to sleep for the night or went to work it was bound to happen.

>>61025305
the people who complain about it are the people who only begrudgingly moved on from XP in the last year or two, you're not going to get any real answers other than "hurr malware" or some shit as if they aren't already part of the botnet just by virtue of the fact they're using winshit

>>61025305
Laptop of my GF has been trying to install the same update for years whenever it was shut down, until I fixed it. Same for my parents laptop (although not that long).

You lose tech illiterate people if your product has problems like this. It's also mindboggling why windows doesn't notice this kind of error itself.

>>61025238
Have you considered Linux?
But seriously, how have you been locked out? From the store? Why?

>>61025238
install gentoo

>>61025305
It's not that people are refusing to update their systems. It's that they hate the fact that Microsoft forces you to update and the updates don't respect what you're doing and will stop everything regardless of what you're doing. So your only option is to disable the update service entirely

>>61023305
>Pro

Why bother? Everyone on /g/ has keys saved from their Win7 Ultimate dazloader upgrades.

Plus, Pro is shit tier - Edu or Enterprise are best, LTSB king tier

>>61025324
And then people go "Wow MICROSHIT, I lost muh work!" and turn it off completely. Then when a vulnerability goes around, they get hit and whine about "Virus ridden Windoez"

>>61025350
>It's that they hate the fact that Microsoft forces you to update
Because history shows that no matter how much MS "recommends" you install updates, most people are fucking idiots and refuse to ever install them. Countless big malware outbreaks would have been entirely prevented if people just updated once in a while.

>and the updates don't respect what you're doing and will stop everything regardless of what you're doing.
Only if you constantly postpone it for several weeks, you can set a time and date before then. If you don't do that, you deserve to have your shit forcefully updated.

>>61025388
Sure if I get one of those critical updates at say 9am and I'm working on my oc all day and I keep postponing it over and over and eventually I go to bed at say 10pm. I'm either going to shut down my computer or leave it on and go to bed. If I leave it on, and assuming I hit 4h postpone again it's going to do it right at 2am in the middle of the night and restart for updates.

This is far better than what windows is doing now which is "fuck you I'm installing now and there's fuck all you can do about it"

>Task Scheduler\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator
>delete the "reboot" task
wow that was hard

>>61024133
Get an ssd.

>>61025458
How to fix shitty programming? Throw more money at the hardware!

>>61024133
Disable superfetch/prefetch/windows search
and maybe get a decent laptop
>>61022897
>/g/
>doesn't know how to turn off updates
Because of people like you ms forces updates
>>61025417
>there's fuck all you can do about it
www.google.com

>>61023625
>then whine when their computer get infected or looped into a actual botnet.
Says a person presumably using Windows 10.

>>61025409
It's not like you can really prove which vulnerabilities and exploits get patched, if at all.

What is the "perfect" windows 10 setup?

>>61025546
The one in which it's not installed on your machine.

>>61025552
bandingo

>>61025350
They were intrusive when 10 first launched, but not anymore. There don't seem to be anywhere near as many that even require a reboot.

>>61025516
> I don't understand crash reports, so must be da buttnet

Take off the tinfoil hat

>>61025675
How about MS fixes their image first so need misunderstandings stop happening? Hmmh?

>>61025544
Read the mother fucking patch notes. That's why they exist.

God, you're an actual idiot.

>>61025722
>need
*these

>>61025722
Oh like the image of being malware ridden because thier users refuse to install updates? They're doing that by correctly assuming thier consumers are braindead and doing it for them.

>>61025747
No, that is not the image they are having. Not at all.

>>61025771
Then do you mind giving a full statement of what's on your mind instead of vague bullshit arguments based on smoke and mirrors?

"Fix thier image that I'm not gonna specify at all, and I'm gonna pretend I have a point to my shitposting"

>>61023102
Unless you have an Nvidia card and two monitors

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>>61025675
>I don't understand crash reports, so must be da buttnet
>Take off the tinfoil hat
This would've made sense before Snowden did what he did.
https://archive.is/QFL8e
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#6c3f7e713a23
https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-06-14/u-s-agencies-said-to-swap-data-with-thousands-of-firms
https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoSg3fSB7PA
Not to mention Microsoft's involvement in NSA's PRISM project. Just crash reports, right?

>>61025732
>Read the mother fucking patch notes. That's why they exist.
Oh, really? Are you forgetting the fact that it's a proprietary operating system? And how would you even going testing that? Willingly installing malware other than the OS itself?

>>61025846
Even go about*

>>61025831
What I love about this is that MS insisted pushing out their new OS they PROUDLY claimed won't stop phoning home and even backported that shit to older OS's as well hidden in updates.

That company is run by out of touch idiots

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>>61022897
Ok (:

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>>61025999
search is shite

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>>61026007

>>61025967
>That company is run by out of touch idiots
/g/ is not representative of the world as a whole, most people really do not care about muh botnet telemetry

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>>61026021

>>61026031
Got stats on that?

>>61026039
>MS retains backwards compatibility while still introducing new features
>this is a bad thing
If they killed all the holdovers from previous versions you faggots would be complaining about how MS purposefully killed old software to force you to buy new stuff. MS does a lot of things wrong but backwards compatibility is not one of them.

>>61025831
That's much more the NSA being the NSA than the crash data being malicious. If you wanna go on the NSA track, let's talk about how they would and have tapped into companies directly even if they refused to hands stuff over, and why they're out of control.

On the topic though, the crash data helps Microsoft maintain the OS now and I personally see the benifits of it

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>>61026039


>>61026072
Are you retarded?

>>61026031
Just because some people don't care, it doesn't mean it (privacy, ethics) no longer matters.

>>61026058
It ate up 1/4 of the desktop OS market share in a single year, if people did not care then people would either not be adopting it in the first place, or not keeping it installed. What makes you think the average consumer cares about telemetry when things like iOS are wildly popular?

>>61026076
>let's talk about how they would and have tapped into companies directly even if they refused to hands stuff over, and why they're out of control.
Let's. I mean, I provided proof for their unethical practices regarding Microsoft and you're still willingly using Windows 10 of all operating systems. It's too hard being intelectually honest, isn't it?

>>61026092
>Are you retarded?
not an argument
software designed to work with the old interface would not work if the old interface was eliminated, Windows has always kept remnants from previous versions in their new operating systems to stop faggots like you bitching about how your ancient software doesn't work anymore

>>61026107
>>61026105
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk

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>>61026092


>>61026132
So you are retarded. Good to know.

>>61026105
Why are your ethics the supreme ethics? What makes you right and everybody else wrong? Ethics and morality are dynamic and change over time, if most people decide that it's not a flagrant violation of their privacy for software to collect some usage statistics, then software will collect some usage statistics. You are welcome to use software that does not do that if it violates your personal moral code.

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>>61026177

>>61026155
what are you ladies even arguing about?

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>>61026191
oups, quted the wrong post. meant for this >>61026155

>>61026126
Again, it's not Microsoft being unethical, it's the NSA overraching and forcing EVERYONE to be unethical. They forced the same thing on companies like Google, Yahoo, Apple, as showing in your picture even. Even if any of those participants refused, the NSA has a history of just breaking in the back door anyways and taking what they want.

There have even been instances of hardware taps into ISP's servers to funnel raw data back to the NSA, they do this garbage to everyone because they're obsessed with collecting worthless data.

If you wanna stop those practices, and live in the US, write to your local and state lawmakers to tell the NSA to stop tromping over everyone to grab data, that's the actual source of the problem you're complaining about.

Microsoft collecting telemetry isn't the same thing, and the intent isn't the same. Telemetry is for debugging and making sure Windows 10 works as expected.

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>>61026216
BLOATWARE AND A RESOURCE HOG!

>>61026191
>never noticed this before
>now can't stop seeing it
fuck you

>>61025171
Privacy is a human right, anon.

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I don't normally like to post opinions, especially negative ones, on the front page. In this case, I can't resist, as this bastardization of Windows makes me quite angry. Having used every version of Microsoft's operating systems since 1988 (MS-DOS 5.0), this is the first time I truly believe that Microsoft has lost its way. To put it bluntly, Windows 10 is a mish-mash of interfaces, and in some cases borderline deceptive options, mainly to serve Microsoft's dubious ambitions in the mobile device arena, rather than consumers and businesses. It will only serve to further confuse and alienate the average PC user, and hasten the PC's demise. I've used Windows 10 as my daily OS since the Preview back in January 2015, and I can honestly say it seems like one step forward, four steps back when compared to Windows 7.

>>61026217
>Microsoft collecting telemetry isn't the same thing, and the intent isn't the same. Telemetry is for debugging and making sure Windows 10 works as expected.
Are you being wilfully ignorant? I just provided proof to the contrary. Are you just ignoring it and claiming you're right? I think that's what it is. There's no need for any further replies, since this is going nowhere.
>>61025831

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>>61026236
:(

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>>61026257
flickers :(

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>>61026177
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk

>he has a folder full of Windows 10 screenshots
>he spends all day reposting them on any thread relating to Windows 10
>he does it for free

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>>61026268


>>61026237
situations worsens as you move towards high dpi screens :(

I've never updated my Windows 7 SP1 and have also never had a virus. It is entirely possible to not update while also not fucking everything up.

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>>61026288
font scaling is bad :( very very bad :((

>>61026255
You haven't actually proven anything so far, you just linked a page from the Snowden leaks that Microsoft was reporting some amount of data since back in 2007. Which if you're on the same page, would mean Vista, 7, 8, and 10 would be involved in the same way, and more recently Apple's OS X would also be involved.

This is ENTIRELY an issue with the NSA, and you're arguing an entirely different thing at this point by trying to force the NSA's borderline illegal hustling in the middle of it.

>>61026177
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3555319/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21998237
Privacy is a human need and it's a scientifically provable fact. We are done here.

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>>61026305
it's so bad it hurts :(

>>61026305
wanna fuck?

>>61026270
>>61026318
I do not consider gathering of basic telemetry to be a violation of my privacy, I willingly make that information available. There are alternative operating systems you can use if you are not willing to share that information, you are not being forced to do anything.

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>>61026328
:'(

>>61026288
It's supposed to be on the bottom, not the middle. It's an icon of the taskbar that you're minimizing the program to.

>>61026311
I've provided a link to a video of a man doing a live testing of so called anti-botnet tools and collecting Wireshark dumps, among other links. And again, you are just making assertions. No need to reply again, as I've already said.

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>>61026341

>>61026335
no :( just thinking of winblows 10 made me too depressed

>>61026337
>I do not consider gathering of basic telemetry to be a violation of my privacy, I willingly make that information available
Great. Just because you don't care, it doesn't mean it no longer matters to other people. Appeal to futility is not an argument. You've already repeated yourself, we got it.

>>61026365
>no :( just thinking of winblows 10 made me too depressed
you get affected emotionally to easily, ew

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>>61026365
:(

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>>61026384


>>61026379
*sniff*sniff* :'(

>>61026366
But most people really don't care about basic telemetry. If they did, then MS would be forced to change their software as they would lose their customers. The reality is you are part of a small minority, and you are welcome to use niche operating systems that cater to your minority desires accordingly.

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>>61026402
it's so broken :(

>>61026337
>le ebin nothing to hide, nothing to fear argument

>>61026337
Read the Microsoft privacy statement and tell us what exactly is "basic" about it. Your usage habits? Your credit card numbers? And the list goes on and on..

A sidenote: The NSA didn't have to force these companies to give them access, they pay them.

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>>61026416

>>61026421
I would suggest you to not waste your time.

>>61023754
Except if they used Telemetry for that, all they'd need to do is log performance and crashes. But they don't. They log just about anything you do: file names, internet history, physical location, etc. Plus, they don't allow to shut down telemetry or updates which is bullshit for a myriad of reasons; metered connections being one of them.

The fact is Windows 10 isn't more stable than 7/8, it still suffers from bugs even though there's a huge community reporting them and they have terabytes of logs on them; like svchost using 100 % of HDD when idle or Windows Updates shitting itself if a file is corrupted instead of deleting it and downloading it again. Or Windows rot.

The fact is all that Telemetry ends up being sold to ad companies and probably governments.

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>>61026429
how do i log in now? :(

>>61023754
>>61025831

>it's a people complain about privacy and botnet while using the internet with javascript enabled episode
you can't escape it

>>61026441
And every single larger build since the beginning has been getting progressively buggier and buggier and these morons just eat the need for telemetry bullshit up.

>>61026440
On this clearly paid-by-microsoft shill?

>>61026525
Exactly. I mean, look at my replies. It's pointless.

>>61026497
The neverending electric boogaloo.

>>61026459
It's like you haven't read the privacy policy of most major tech industries this decade. It's a venereal trend the whole industry is being moved towards, for better or worse.

>>61026270
Sorry to break it to you guys who still believe in privacy but as long as you are connected to the internet you don't have privacy , that's just the way internet works , it wasn't made with privacy in mind. From the high level such as google/facebook/etc to the isp level your data is collected . In a lot of countries (mine too) isps are required by law to keep internet history for some time , it's a grey area and isps sell data to advertising agencies.It's not like there is a human watching your history but still..

>>61027436
Do you live in a glass house and have cameras installed everywhere?

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>>61027436
>implying you have privacy when offline

>>61027436
Every intelectually honest person on /g/ understands that and it's not like there aren't alternatives and methods of making it harder for governments and agencies to track and data mine you. Use the options while we still have them.

>>61025813
this.
I have an nvidia card and three monitors, and shit just doesn't work, I like XFCE, but monitors and drivers are a bitch.

>install windows 10 on new pc
>never have any problems

feels good not being a retard i guess

>>61026497
It's different when it can see my files.

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>>61022897
>buy it from the internet
>burn it onto cd because it looks cool
stopped reading, please leave
you don't belong here

>>61029006
(You)

>>61023625
>It's not some crazy conspiracy to steal your porn browsing habits

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/10/11/edward-snowden-nsa-spying-porn-habits-not-terrorists/

>>61029395
>linking to neonazi sites


>>>/pol/

>>61026217
>Telemetry is for debugging and making sure Windows 10 works as expected.
That's fucking bullshit and you know it. They do jack shit about all the bugs in windows 10 unless they cause you to lose data.

>>61029765
>>61026351
See? Just don't even bother with him.

>>61025999
Didn't microsoft confirm that policies are ignored?

>install windows 10 on a macbook to play skyrim
>boot like 3 times a week
>hibernate to prevent updates, don't want to wait to switch os
>forced update time comes
>pc will restart in 15 min to install update
>options to delay or cancel update are greyed out
>uninstall windows 10

>>61030812
Should've gone with Windows 7.

>>61030812
>still on my old non mac laptop
>on a train
>battery is dying
>turn off the laptop, so it won't die
>windows update is installing, do not turn off
>laptop dies during the update
>windows not booting anymore
pajeets will still defend windows

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>>61023625
cause they do it every two days and they wont let me set my update hours to less than twelve hours which means that every time I open my laptop after I get off work I have to make sure I'm connected to the internet so that i can wait forty minutes for the updates to finish

t. shill

>>61024648
this

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>>61030812
>>61030972

>>61031081
>muh hidden options
still, turning off or restarting a pc will take time, that could be used to fap to traps or something, because updates will be installed anyway

>>61031626
Get an ssd.

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>>61026305
Are you using the Cuck version or something?

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I'll be honest - a tweaked Windows 10 is not that bad - Windows 7 and 8 are still botnet.

What irks me is what there are two settings screens.

Also - random old shit that seems to have been floating around for decades (see pic).

Surely all of the Control Panel should be incorporated into the Settings? Why have two distinctly different set of Settings?

>>61024938
>Forcing your user to install an Update on Mobil Bandwith instead of letting him do it while he is on WLAN
Fuck off Micro$hill

>>61029460
>breitbart is neonazi
You are politically illiterate. Datamining is commonplace now, it would not be surprising to see such a thing happen for porn as well.

>>61032268
really there are like 3 or 4 control panels

>>61032268
>That monitor picture
What were they thinking?

install Ubuntu or something.

>>61023102
xubuntu

>>61032225
Early Windows 10 versions (including everything before Windows 10) didn't support dynamic scaling of native controls.
You had to log out/in to for scaling changes to take effect. It's not longer an issue but the retard will still post if for yous.

Wiped my desktop and got a new laptop and put LTSB on both of them. Sucked the bandwidth down after installation for the updates, but after that, it was decent. Don't see what everyone is complaining about - outside the screaming privacy issues, of course.

>>61024648
i was on base windows 10 with no updates installed less than 2 hours ago, is your PC fucking shit or what?

>>61022897
can't you downgrade?

>>61026191
the red x has always been bigger

>>61023798

A critical vulnerability? Like all the ones CIA etc keep? Any 0day thing is going to rape anyone who happens across it on that day before patches hit. if the vector is through something average joe interacts with on a daily basis, then they're fucked anyway (FB, ads, mail etc).

>like a sane human

You do know that many corporations hold off on deploying updates, sometimes for weeks even when there is a critical issue? Microshit has a wonderful history of a patch fucking businesses harder than the actual issue being patched.

>>61023102
>xfce
lxde is better

>>61024184

Depending on what breaks. If it's the compressor leaking gas, I can top it up myself, if it's the rubber seal I can replace that myself (these issues are mostly for fridges that last 10+ years). Other than that it would be majorly broken internally that would require replacement of parts that may not be available (or worth the purchase as opposed to a new/second hand fridge).

I would not compare a device like a computer to a fridge in this instance. The main issue you're discussing is software, rather than hardware failure. I'm no fridge repairman, but I've certainly helped fix the aforementioned issues and would not consider it specialist knowledge, but more akin to changing tires, brake discs, oil and spark plugs and lights. Something I think everyone should be able to do if they own a fucking car.

Is simple maintenance of tools/appliances etc too much for people?

>>61029460
>/g/ doesn't understand politics

What a surprise.