>its an intel chip is a clusterfuck episode

Still faster than AMD :^)

kek, still smaller dies than nvidia's GV100

AMD must get amazing yields compared to intel

>>60969183
It sure can burn your house faster :)

>>60969212
AMD is getting amazing yields, which is why these are so cheap.

you can actually see the X in the 18 and 28 core ones, nice one intel

>>60969183
Faster at reaching 100°C, sure

>>60969266
yea it is britty cool

>>60969155
BINGBUS :DDDDDDDDD

>>60969183
lel Intel Firestarter Edition :^)

>>60969183
elaborate, Mr. Mysterious Merchant.

>>60969155
EPYC and Threadripper are multu-die modules, your picture is misleading

EPYC is just four of the 8 core modules, Threadripper is two. Which means AMD's yields are based on multiple 190mm chips, they don't have to actually fab a 700mm monstrosity. Intel does, which hurts their yields.

>>60969262
>not cheap because they're loss leading

OK anon.

>>60969345
That's the point. Retard Intel is still trying to make a monolithic giant novelty processor. AMD was in the Coar game for so much longer they actually know that you need to set up the processor like a supercomputer cluster and just make data lanes going to a bunch of little processorlets. Now Intel needs to find out how to make their Gaymer Fabric(tm) so they can actually have a chance without trying to sell 10 thousand fucking dollar Xeons as i9 processors.

>>60969155
yeah, but what are the pricing of Threadripper and Epyc?

That doesn't matter if AMD goes full jew mode and charges only 10% less than Intel

>>60969155

>10 years of research while essentially having monopoly
>gives us this abomination

intel in full panic mode

>>60969427
>That doesn't matter if AMD goes full jew mode and charges only 10% less than Intel
Because that's obviously what they've been doing with Ryzen.

>>60969155
>A5 die
>A4 die
>A3 die
Anon's law

>>60969345
Does AMD have any that aren't a factor of 8? Because otherwise any defect is going to have to be an R5.

>>60969427

epyc is gonna undercut intel the most

AMD wants that server market bad

>>60969451
We don't know how it will scale anon

>>60969420

you have to connect the dies you retard. fabbing on a single die is 9000 times better.

>>60969155
> Intel has 265-bit super cores for ASX
> AMD has regular cores emulating ASX

Clusterfuck in what way

>>60969427
>charges only 10% less than Intel


Might have to b/c of perpetual AMD supply shortage. Their market cap is a 10th of Intel's so they just can't run as many fabs

>>60969497
Is that why the Xeon costs 10k but the AMD processor is only going to cost 5k?

>>60969383
The die cost is like ~$20. Besides, given AMD's financial situation, they aren't in a position to be taking losses on each chip sold.

>>60969497
>I don't know how fabs work: the post

>>60969506
they don't run any fabs anymore

>>60969535

i don't know how inter-die comms performance works: the post

>>60969553
>t. Intel bingbus """"engineer""""

>>60969155
yo that double X paintjob on the 28 cores chips is sick as fuck

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>>60969183
Not even remotely as efficient though

>>60969529
>they aren't in a position to be taking losses on each chip sold.
if you think Intel does that because they are such a _friendly_ company, you are retarded

>>60969427

Same pricing actually. Just with MUCH better power consumption, and less heat production, while being 45% faster, with enormous amounts of I/O slots.

>>60969183
Faster doesn't mean more powerful. The amount of instructions per cycle are what matters.

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>>60969469
We know what AMD claims. Nearly 100% scaling. So far I have no reason not to believe them when it comes to Zen.

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>>60969632

>>60969466
Depends on where the defect is. Pretty sure some of the defective dies that otherwise bin well are going to end up in the lower core count Epyc processors.

>>60969266
X stands for SHUT IT DOWN

>that skylake core

how horrifying

>>60969183
Only for the 3 initial seconds of workloads, before it starts throttling.

>>60970818
*nanoseconds

>>60969155
That X looks rad as fuck. Too bad it's a rehash of a rehash of a rehash under mayonnaise sauce. Maybe Intel will finally start to innovate after this clusterfuck.

>>60969466
>any defect is going to have to be an R5.
no, because they have versions of both epyc and threadripper that don't use the full core count

epyc even has an 8c/16t

>>60970818
100C 24/7 operating temperatures... on a 280mm CLC.

AND that's just the ten core!

I can NOT wait to see the actual user experiences a month in to this blast furnace causing parts to fail as retards try to hit 5Ghz all core overclock.

>>60969212
they say above 80%

>>60969466
80% yields, they don't care, they will have to sell 8 cores for the price of 6 cores if next node as good as this one
it's IBM node, it's going to be good

>>60970869
man /r/intel will be hilarious to watch in some months

Note that AVX512 and supporting hardware makes Intel 2mm^2 bigger.
Still, that's a lot bigger than AMD's core, which are more efficient still

>>60969469
according to amd it scales 97.1% thats why every simulated bench they did pre zen launch turned out to be correct
and thats why they dont really need to spend money and time benching other cpus on any intel based bench...they know already how its going to perform
just slap ccx together glue them with some arabiata sauce and it will still perform way better than any mustard filled DELID this edition intel cpu

>>60970950
I want q4 financial report now!
we either laugh at AMD failing again or laugh at intel firing thousands of people

>>60970935
why bother with avx 512? i mean 256 is struggling as it is to find any serious program to be used

>>60970986
Nvidia's Tesla breathing down Intel's neck in datacenter is the reason AVX512 exists.

>>60970977

If there is any justice in this world, the latter.

>>60970986
most likely explanation engineers hit some kind of a wall in architecture and had to add feauters to sell something
same way nvidia selling tensor cores now, while google has 3 times faster and 4 times less power hungry asics for it

>>60970977
when 99% of the youtubers and sites are already shilling for amd you know the tide has turned

but then again you have sites like toms hardware that forgot "by mistake" as he said to conduct tdp benchmarks on ryzen 5 series (LOL)
and pcgamer with their totally legit price per fps chart you know you cant just fight shintel with an awesome product

>>60970998

And HSA in Ryzen+Navi is going to murder them both.

>>60971009
pcgamer can't be taken seriously anymore(they ahd decent charts more or less), they were straight up sponsored by intel this e3

tom's did TDP later though? R5 wins significantly over i5s

>>60970998
no it doesn't
intel sells 5B of xeons
nvidia sell 300m of teslas

>>60971034
And how many of those are Xeon Phi? Literally none.
That's where Tesla and AVX512 is competing

>>60971025
if hsa works as intended on vega +ryzen yes we will see a first degree murder happening before our eyes

if they manage to create the gpu ryzen (navi) as they want to well...id say that amd will go all serial killer on both of them forcing nvidia to open the cuda cores to the consumer cards to actually make use of the async compute

>>60971027
he still havent updated the 1600/x benchmark LOL

he is garbage and shill the fact that he said it was a mistake that he didnt conduct power measurement something his site became famous for just shows how cringy he is willing to do

>>60971069
>open the cuda cores to the consumer cards to actually make use of the async compute
they can't, it's will mess up efficiency
1060 class cards will go above 200w

they hope for better a node, but i'm not sure it will fix their problem

>>60971093
the moment they install a hardware sc its the moment that the"WE HUZ LOWER TDP'Z" lie is going to die

>>60969505
>intelaviv grasping their last straw: AVX

>>60971129
No one actually uses AVX in server market.

>>60971483
no one actually uses avx anywere period

>>60971041
>That's where Tesla and AVX512 is competing
Does AVX512 work on 3d raytracing?

>>60971525
Because GPUs exist. Anyway Intel should kill itself for changing cache hierarchy for meme-tier vector extensions.

>>60971483
that's my point.

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>>60969155
never trust the jews

>>60969183
:)

>>60971534
Yes. Assuming the software has support for it.

AVX512 is wide vector SIMD, it's literally trying to do the same thing a GPU is good at.

>>60969227
>>60969272
>>60969325
>>60970869

>still using the overheating meme as an argument

kill yourselves, please

>>60971571
Explain that to the poor victims in Portugal

>>60971575

>poor victims in Portugal
>poor victims

what victims

>>60971575
a bit of respect for the dead ones is needed

>>60971571
Just because it's overused doesn't mean it's any less relevant.

>>60971571
Skylel-X won the housefire award. Just deal with it schlomo.

>>60971562
>Yes. Assuming the software has support for it.
>AVX512 is wide vector SIMD, it's literally trying to do the same thing a GPU is good at.
Do they have to rewrite their code or is it just a compiler flag? AVX2 didn't appear to give Intel a boost over ryzen when it came to 3d rendering.

>>60971627
Because both Intel and AMD have AVX2, only Intel has AVX512

And yes, it needs a rewrite, obviously.

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>>60971603
>>60971598

>using something that only happend with the i7 product line to fuck with the entire company

>supposing that AMD had no ovearheating problems with their processors

you are either autistic or retarded

pic related, look at the processor

>>60971640
>speccy
>reliable broof :DDDDDD

>>60971640
we have so many reviews of the 7900x that shows 100c with a watercooling solution and you say we are autistic?

100 FUCKING CELSIUS with a tdp that puts the fx 95xx to shame

>>60971547
Oy vey

This is such a boring discussion. We live at a time when fucking Microsoft is investing in desktop ARM and the open source RISC-V is on the horizon with some serious backers, and this is what you want to argue about?

>>60971571
i9 is a disastrous piece of shit surface of the sun housefire.

>>60971640
>>using something that only happend with the i7 product line to fuck with the entire company

>using something that only happened in mobile APUs with poorly designed cooling solutions to represent AMD's entire company


To quote a dear friend of mine
>you are either autistic or retarded

>>60971663
yes cause this is a serious hazard intel will probably need a ASME certification to provide raw power and cooling system for them

>>60971632
>And yes, it needs a rewrite, obviously.
Developers are lazy, if it needs new code they will wait 5 years to add it to most of the commercial renderers, better off buying ryzen for now.

>>60969632
Double the Xs triple the excrement.

>>60971656
>we have so many reviews of the 7900x that shows 100c with a watercooling solution

more like
>we have so many reviews of something that is normal on a high end cpu under heavy loads

yes you are autistic

>>60971682
>using something that only happened in mobile APUs with poorly designed cooling solutions to represent AMD's entire company
>only happend in mobile APUs
>only happend
>only

also happend with their graphics cards and processors, you only need to do a quick search on google to see it

i repeat my words
>you are either autistic or retarded

>>60971663
>ARM
Irrelevant walled garden horseshit.
>open source RISC-V
Is far away from substituting x86. Ergo, irrelevant.

>>60971754

woops quoted the wrong guy

>>60971656 ment to be >>60971658

>>60971754
The only case where hitting 100C on water is normal is in the kitchen.

>>60971769
See? You get a built in portable stove with Intel.

best price/perf

>>60969155
All these cores for nothing. 99% of software still has no multicore support. For the rest 1% it is inefficient as fuck to the point that they are faster when on no multicore settings.

>>60971781
*Powered by Intel Skylake-X™.
>>60971789
>what
>is
>datacenter

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>>60971781
kek

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Completely as expected

>>60971792
>>what
>>is
>>datacenter
These are HEDT, not server chips.
But he is still a retard.

>>60971769

>le funny kitchen joke

every intel processor can hit perfectly 100c under 100% loads

they kept the same temperatures on a processor with more cores

that's actually good

>thinking that the 100%load temperature will be the idle temperature

pure autism

>>60971814
>that's actually good
Sure thing schlomo.

>>60971781
>start your PC
>run some gaymen
>drop a tea bag in your custom water loop
>pour tea in a cup
Comfy as fuck.

>>60969383
so theres a 20x markup on the top of the line chhips?

>>60971818

>let's be autistic, the movie

>>60971837
Sure thing schlomo.

>>60971814
>every intel processor
*every intel processor since they started using mayo instead of solder

>>60971814
>every intel processor can hit perfectly 100c under 100% loads
Amusing when tJunction for Intel products is 100*C..so hitting it is not "fine"

>>60971848
>>60971843
youd replace stock thermal paste when applying any cpu cooler, so why not the intel ones?

>>60969529
>taking losses
They'll take losses to claw back market share.

>>60971862
Because this thermal paste is underneath the IHS which is glued rather tightly to your $1000 processor, so jamming a razor blade into it is not the best idea.

>>60971862
They are using it INSIDE their CPUs, hence the delid this meme.

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>>60969155
I'm either stupid or asleep, because the website listed there doesn't have anything new since 2012

>>60971841
fucking autist

>>60971843
ok

>>60971848
>Amusing when tJunction for Intel products is 100*C..so hitting it is not "fine"

probably the processors never really hit 100c bc they start throttling before 100c to reduce the temperature

>also
we're talking about 100% loads, something that you will probably never reach

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>>60971814
>every intel processor can hit perfectly 100c
>that's actually good

>somebody actually defends ebin skylaeg-eggs housefires
Magnificent.

>>60971907
Just accept the truth, intel is the housefire this time around.

>>60971907
>we're talking about 100% loads, something that you will probably never reach
These are HEDT chips. Workstation processors. Things people use for real work.
Video rendering will use EVERYTHING available to it. As will encoding of any kind.
These are chips that run at full whack for a living. Not something people use to occasionally play minecraft on m8. 100% load is where these chips spend more time than they don't.
So yes. It is extremely concerning that it hits 100*C under a 280mm radiator and watercooling, as that is some insane cooling right there, enough to keep a 4.7Ghz 7700k at sub 70*C at 100% loads. You can keep apologising or shilling all you like. The skinny of it is that this is a workstation chip, that cannot work as it will kill itself.

>>60971754
>100c with a watercooling solution is normal
This is why intelfags are clinically retarded.

>>60971913
>cutting the phrase to make me look retarded
>changing my words

are you autistic?

>every intel processor can hit 100c under 100% loads
>it's actually good that in a processor with more cores they kept the normal high load temps

>>60971931
>if you are refering to me

i don't defend them, my point is that they are a retarded thing to use as an argument, as amd or any other company also has overheating problems

i'm not an intel lover, i'm just tired of seeing the same meme being used as an argument for the whole brand

>>60971939
>100c with a watercooling solution under a heavy load is normal on a high end chip with more cores than a normal chip

yes it's normal

you're the only clinically retarded here

>>60971848
Burning your house to the ground is fine.

>>60969183

Faster at draining your wallet. :^)

>>60971896
This is the source according to reverse image search.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/intel-skylake-kaby-lake-coffee-lake-thread-skylake-x-reviews-june-19-9-00-am-et.2428363/page-496#post-38943496

>>60971970
Nah intel's bingbus architecture is complete shit, good thing it's DoA.

>>60971970
>yes it's normal
No. It really isn't.


Even AMD's retarded 9590 didn't hit 90*C under water cooling on full load.

Now, if you want to keep pulling speccy "benchmarks" of mobile chips in poorly designed chassis, you go ahead, but it proves nothing. I've got an Intel powered laptop right next to me that hits 95*C while web browsing. Mobile chips run hot. Big surprise nigga.

>>60971818
>>60971843
>>60971913
all those guaranteed replies

>>60971970
>overheating on 28mm AIO is TOTALLY NORMAL
Fuck you.

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>>60969155
intel 256bit AVX modules are bigger than amd 2x128
it's a price you pay for true AVX2 and not some castrated poojet shit

That braindead Intel shill defending abortions is hilarious.

>>60972020
>AVX
Nothing uses AVX.

>>60972026
>Nothing uses AVX.
And whatever does, uses Xeon Phis for it.

>>60972020
>implying AVX has anything to do with it

>>60972028
Exactly. Intel's desicion to throw AVX-512 into housefire-x is fucking retarded since KNL still exists and next MIC generation is somewhere.

>>60972020
KILL ELVES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60971986
thanks, but why the fuck is that website listed as a source in the image?

>>60972041
Morghur pls.

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>>60969155
MOAR BINGBUS :-DDDDDDD

>>60969427
In the majority of the server market, which are mid range Xeons in a 2P config, AMD can undercut them by offering a single socket that has better power efficiency and higher IO. The higher IO is a real killer because of coprocessor accelerated HPC market exploding, and because cloud services are running into major issues with disk io from VM's. Not to mention popping a second socket onto a motherboard is absurdly expensive since you end up paying double for everything that supports the CPU, and end up with a wider board.

>>60972037
I wish threadripper had AVX512, just because it adds another 16 fucking SSE registers. Is there any chance that amd will ever support it?

>>60971970
>for the whole brand
I don't get it. You're angry that people are mocking intel with the house fire meme because intel's latest releases are literal house fires as mentioned in a thread that talks about latest releases and you're defending the entire brand but you're totally not a shill.

Intlel just release Coffeelake already and let's get done with this

coffeelake was always where it's at since the beginning wherever ryzen is

>>60971878
*$350
>>60971881
but amd used to make you delid in order to use a pencil to bridge part of their cpus. Its not like intel are the only delidders. Plus i partially agree with the fact that soldered will eventually cause microcracks and is non deliddable

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>>60969183
lmao @ your life InShill

yes it's probably harder to get am4 to work on win7 than installing your fucking arch distro, but at least i didn't pay 1k for 80-90% of the same performance.

>>60971640
>APU
APU doesn't show you it's degrees but a margin that you have to calculate from, your APU can be -200 degrees in speccy or any other software that doesn't have margin calculation.

>>60972060
The fuck do you use AVX512 for?

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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-x-series-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-x299-basin-falls-core-i9,34545.html

>The LGA2066 socket is compatible with LGA2011 cooling solutions, which is a plus. However, Intel now recommends water cooling as the minimum cooling option, which will add more cost to the overall solution.

>However, Intel now recommends water cooling as the minimum cooling option,
>minimum cooling option
>minimum

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>>60972089
>another thermal jizz housefire

>>60972090
>but amd used to make you delid in order to use a pencil to bridge part of their cpus
>Defective core gets disabled rather than lasered away
>AMD MADE YOU DO IT TO UNLOCK FEATURES
It was users unlocking a defective core, knowing full well it may not function as intended.
For you to draw that comparison to Intel intentionally reducing the effectiveness of a product by causing it to overheat under intended workloads is not the same thing.

>>60972107
>Intel now recommends water cooling as the minimum cooling option
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAH

>>60972020
>animefag
>likes to suck jewdick

Gee, who would have thought?

>>60972107
Who still uses air cooling? Fucking cucks that's who

>>60972090
>Plus i partially agree with the fact that soldered will eventually cause microcracks and is non deliddable
Cracking solder is only a result of a low gold content.
Guess who used a lower gold content in their solder for their processors?
>Intel

>>60972090
>microcracks due to heat
Never happened to anybody in existence.

>>60972090
>7900x
>$350
BWHAHAHAHAHA

>>60969529
Manufacturing costs like 25€

>>60972090
I guess all those core2, phenoms and sandy vaginas are all worthless now, due to the microcracks and stuff

>>60971993

>Comparing an 8 core processor to a fucking 32 core procesor

are you fucking kidding me

>>60971991
>intel's bingbus architecture is complete shit, good thing it's DoA.

i'm with you

>>60971996
>overheating on a high end chip under a heavy load with 28mm AIO is totally normal
yes it is

>>60972023
>That braindead Intel shill defending abortions is hilarious.
>braindead intel shill
>intel shill
>shill

as i said, i'm not a fucking intel shill

i'm just tired of seeing the same meme being used as an argument

>>60972069
i'm tired that people mocks intel for the housfire meme on anything that intel does nowadays whatever if it really overheats or doesn't

it's like we are talking about nvidia and just bc x graphics card model overheats now every fucking graphics card has to have overheating problems

>literal housefires
>what is the diference between a 100% load temperature and a normal temperature

>>60972107
>spending 2000$ on a cpu
>don't have more money to buy a water cooler

pick one

>>60972126
>Implying you want to always put a CLC in a workstation.
I mean, failure on an air cooler is an overheat and fan replacement. Failure on a CLC is a whole new system. Some people want the choice of air.

>>60972126
>pump noises
>radiator
>worrying about leaks


Nah, you're retarded, why do you think industrial cooling is all air?

>>60972140
>7900x
>32 core
Mmmm...Nah.

>>60972107
I'm not even defending those greedy fucks but what the fuck do you expect, to put a shitty 100$+ noctua on that CPU?

>>60972156
they use vapour changers, mate.

>>60972158
true

idk why i wrote 32 cores lol

>>60972159
>100$ Noctua are now considered garbage tier.
Wew lad. Guess what's considered acceptable has changed now that the x299 300w abomination exists.

>>60971931
Some people just want to see the world burn.

>>60972140
>>Comparing an 8 core processor to a fucking 32 core procesor
>comparing a 16 core HEDT chip to AMD's mobile APUs

>are you fucking kidding me

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>>60972104

automatic vectorization

currently mask registers don't allow clean extensions and risk of messing up future-proofed general purpose register space when the register extension bits are overloaded

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>>60972180

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>>60972164
Most 1U/2U and blade servers are air cooled.

>>60972173
>stock LN2 cooling
>have to buy intel branded LN2 to use your PC at all
Coming soon.

>>60972180
>32 core processor

i already admitted that i was wrong here >>60972169

>comparing a 16 core HEDT chip to AMD's mobile APUs
i posted that picture as a funny meme and as an example not to compare

>>60972198
Intel's next generation will require LN2 as the minimum cooling solution

>>60972196
See that passive cooler on the board? that's a vapour chamber.

>>60972213
>>60972198
and still tell their sheep not to overclock

>>60972207
An example as to what?
If not an example to compare against for an argument than it is not a suitable example of anything

>>>60972207
>i posted that picture as a funny meme
Really? Seemed like you tried to make some point out of it.
But meanwhile everybody else posting "funny memes" is a blatant AMD shill? Or is attacking Intel as a company?

>>60972140
>if it really overheats or doesn't
It doesn't matter if it overheats or not according to spec, the fact that it's reaching BOILING WATER TEMPS in the first place is already a flaw and, therefore, a valid point of criticism. Even with the more mainstream processors, nobody is talking about the actual overheating itself but the overall inefficiency and the jewcum TIM under the IHS.
>muh 100% load
The fact that watercooling is a required MINIMUM pretty much tells me there's more to it than a "muh 100% load"
>i'm just tired of seeing the same meme being used as an argument
>muh fee fees
>I'm literally a retard with an emotional investment in a brand
Just because it hurts your feelings doesn't mean it isn't a valid argument. Face it, Intel is the housefire this time around. They're releasing energy-inefficient chips.

>>60972219
Yeah? And you think it creates its own cold air, or are the overly loud delta fans there just to look pretty?

Can anyone tell me why anyone ever used nitrogen for cooling? Like you couldn't find a material with less heat coefficient? Why not something like acetone+CO2 ice?

>>60972186
Thank you for actually having something that uses AVX512 instead of thinking it's gonna give you better FPS in GTAV. Yeah that sucks. Similar situation to relying on TSX I guess.

>>60972230
it means they use liquid to cool it you fucking moron, it's uses air just like any other liquid cooling solution.

>>60972238
Enough of this idiocy.

>>60972219
Excellent observation. Normal consumer-level tower heatsinks tend to be vapor chambers as well.

MOAR BIPSETS
MOAR BINGBUS
MOAR BIPELINES

Water cooling is for cucks, I'm telling you that it's going to
need liquid nitrogen and black magic to keep your CPU cores cool

>>60972140
It's not housefire because it overheats - usually if something overheats you simply use a better cooling solution. Intel is housefire because a practical cooling solution for their new chips LITERALLY doesn't exist.

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>>60972219
Great vapor chamber, I bet it's hiding somewhere.

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>>60972107

>>60972140
>reddit spacing
>not knowing how the housefire meme works
>feelings are hurt because someone insulted their favorite brand.
newfag detected

>>60972249
No, they have heat pipes, only small minority of consumer-level heat sings have vapour chamber.

>>60972232
They don't use nitrogen for a 24/7 operation for obvious reasons. Condensation and the resulting pressure from trying to contain it. They do use some absurdly expensive liquid that boils at like 80c though. Looks trippy as fuck since bubbles just form up over all the components which generate heat. Forgot what it's called though. =[

>>60972232
Because it's liquid and starts evaporating way below zero. Solid wouldn't went heat fast enough.

>>60972173
it's not about having such a large socket, it's about the FACT that such big "fancy"
air coolers(specially the noctua ones) are way too over-priced in terms of performance.

The only upside you have is being silent,literally nothing more.

I have friends who got AIO coolers when those were expensive as fuck and processors were way less powerful than today(4790k,etc).

Not to mention they're heavy as fuck, probably the primary reason i got a 280mm aio instead of a noctua(also the color on the fans is literally poo-tier) since i drive my PC with the car at least once a year.

>>60972275
>>60972268
It doesn't even make sense for "record breaking hurr". Just use a better cooling agent, you don't need the -180 C, -40 is well enough if the heat transfer is better

>>60972268
Fluorinert is what you're looking for, and it boils at 56C. Some of ye olde supercomputers (some Cray models) used it for cooling due to lack of space between the compute cards for air cooling.

Full immersion cooling is possible, but the amount of coolant needed is going to be ridiculously expensive. A 20kg jug of that shit on ebay is $1000

>>60972266
Either way, you're implying that vapor chambers are classified as "liquid cooling" due to their use of a liquid coolant. Going by that logic, heat pipes should be the same as well.

>>60972303
>Full immersion cooling is possible, but the amount of coolant needed is going to be ridiculously expensive. A 20kg jug of that shit on ebay is $1000
And how much does it cost to clean the damn rack when you wanna take out a few motherboards?

>>60972282
This is about workstation chips though. It's perfectly rational to choose a giant air cooler over AIO for lower noise and no catastrophic failures from your cooling solution. Coloring shouldn't matter in this situation either, or at least for the majority of end users that sit at a workstation every day doing...work. The only defense I can see for the AIO on x299 is that you might want to have it act as a heat pump instead of dumping 300w into your other components.

>>60972222
>nice digits

>never compared the processors
>changing my words again

you guys never stop

>Really? Seemed like you tried to make some point out of it.
yes

the point was that not only intel has overheating problems

why is that hard to understand for everyone

>>60972225
>emotional investment in a brand
>just becuase it hurts my feelings

when i used my feelings as a valid argument

>watercooling as minimum requirements
intel also said that for the last i7 generation and nobody watercool it

>>60972261
>reddit spacing
what

>not knowing how the housefire meme works
i'know perfectly how it works

>feelings are hurt because someone insulted their favorite brand.
STOP WITH THE ''INTEL SHILL'' THING

I'M NOT WITH INTEL

I CURRENTLY USE A RADEON 480 IN MY PC AND IF I HAD TO CHANGE MY i5 4670 I WOULD PROBABLY BUY AN AMD PROCESSOR

I'M WITH YOU GUYS THAT INTEL HAS OVERHEATING PROBLEMS MY ONLY POINT IS THAT INTEL IS NOT THE ONLY ONE

DO YOU THINK THAT THE FUCKING THREADRIPPER BEING THE FUCKING GIGANTIC PROCESSOR THAT IS WILL NOT HAVE ANY FORM OF OVERHEATING

FUCK OFF

>>60972301
The question is, will it be cheaper than LN2, and will it need anything besides a cup?

>>60972310
Might not be much, fluorinert is low viscosity (almost like water) so centrifugal cleaning is possible. Alternatively, they could just stick the whole thing in a 70C oven and cook it off due to the low boiling point. It's electrically inert too, so that's not an issue.

>>60972282
Workstation implies reliability. The only thing that could fail in an air-cooled heatsink is the fan and even with the fan not running, the heatsink itself could still dissipate enough heat to keep it functional in a way until you can tend to the machine.

>>60972308
Sure, I don't care, point was always that servers don't use blow air on passive coolers.

They too worry about leaks.

>>60972326
Every used acetone plus dry ice as a cooling agent?

>>60972282

NH-D15 owner here.

I don't regret buying it. Keeps my 5Ghz delidded firelake 7700k under 70 degrees at all times.

It does what it says it will do which is a rarity these days.

>>60972260
I wounder how much power would Threadripper draw under load. Not that I would be able to afford it anyway but still.

>>60972317
>Topic is of a HEDT processor hitting 100*C under significant cooling and expecting workloads
>posts a mobile AMD chip as an EXAMPLE that Intel is not the only one to run hot
>an EXAMPLE to be COMPARED to a HEDT chip running at 100*C under significant cooling and expected workloads

You don't have to say it for it to be inferred. A comparison is something easily drawn from 2 examples.
>changing words
No, we're reading into what you're typing. I suggest you chose your words more carefully. Implications are dangerous.

Learn to english.


also;
MY DAD WORKS AT NINTENTO
HE SAYS YOU'RE WRONG
SEE
WE CAN MAKE CLAIMS OUT OF OUR ASSES TOO AND PUT THEM IN ALL CAPS FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT

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>>60972338
Sure, sure.

>>60972330
problem with this cooling solution always was contamination, one spec of dust can fuck the while system.

>>60972317
Our point is, in other cases the problem is inadequate cooling. There is simply no adequate cooling for new intel chips(maybe unless you delid them). Threadripper won't have this problem PRECISELY because it's so huge, it means it can output heat faster and thus it reach lower temps, EVEN if it had higher TDP.

>>60972317
>when i used my feelings as a valid argument
You're only complaint about the whole thread was "WAAAAHHHH WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP ON USING THE HOUSEFIRE MEEEEEMMMEEEE!!!"

>DO YOU THINK THAT THE FUCKING THREADRIPPER BEING THE FUCKING GIGANTIC PROCESSOR THAT IS WILL NOT HAVE ANY FORM OF OVERHEATING
Being a fuckhuge processor, with the four dies having a fairly reasonable amount of space between them, dissipating heat probably wouldn't be too much of a problem.

>>60972359
It's because TR is two small dies rather than one large one. Anyone that studied heat transfer would know spot temperature doesn't play well with larger surface areas, and spot temperature is what matters in this case. It's much easier to cool two small silicon dies than a single large one.

>>60972357
I think the bigger issue is the weight. Imagine trying to submersion cool 50+ racks of equipment vs air cooling them in terms of the weight penalty. Data centers IIRC have a maximum floor loading limit, and having tens if not hundreds of thousands of gallons of coolant fluid with your equipment dunked in it is heavy as hell.

>>60972380
Plus the fact that it's actually soldered.

>>60972390
That also didn't help out at all, yeah.

>>60972317
>DO YOU THINK THAT THE FUCKING THREADRIPPER BEING THE FUCKING GIGANTIC PROCESSOR THAT IS WILL NOT HAVE ANY FORM OF OVERHEATING

That's not how it works m8.
Like.
At all.
Having a large contact area assists in the dissipation of heat. Another factor which helps here is the substance used to transfer heat from the processor to the IHS. AMD use a high quality solder.

Threadripper is 2 Zeppelin dies, with a generous amount of room between them, Ryzen runs very cool (It has a 20*C tControl offset, so read all temps 20*C lower as listed)

Look, kid, there's no shame in just leaving now. Any more of this embarrassment and they may start to dock your wages for failing to damage control so poorly. I mean, if you think you're effecting anyone opinion on the subject or convincing anyone that this isn't a problem, then you're wrong.

>>60972238
you could argue vanilla air cooling doesn't exist anymore
heat pipes are at the level of vapor chambers
vapor chambers are at the level of AiOs
everything is liquid cooled

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>>60972355
Sunny Jim, this is the camber in question, it goes into contact with your equipment and then heat despites into the passive cooler.

It has couple of major flaws, like that know, if it breaks your chamber is as good as dead.
Or it can "dry out" if heat source is too hot.

and this is what all the server coolers use as their base.

>>60972402
I have stock wraith spire.

>>60972402
flower-style coolers like the ones that come stock with processors are basically vanilla air cooling

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>>60972410
Wrong, most servers now are direct liquid cooled because it's better than air, there's no shame in using liquid cooling on Intel at all.
Because it's superior

>>60972351
>Topic is of a HEDT processor hitting 100*C under significant cooling and expecting workloads

i was talking about overheating problems in intel processors in general, and so i posted an overheating problem example in a AMD processor

>muh mobile APU!!1!

i don't fucking care, we're talking about the brand, not about a fucking exact processor

as i said
you guys never stop changing my words

>i'm sorry if i write something wrong in english, as i'm actually spanish and english is not my native language like all of you

>>60972360
>You're only complaint about the whole thread was "WAAAAHHHH WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP ON USING THE HOUSEFIRE MEEEEEMMMEEEE!!!"
my only complaint was that plus ''the other companies also suffer of overheating problems''

>>60972360
>>60972400
>>60972360
>>60972359
thanks for correcting me in the threadripper thing

today learnt a new thing

>>60972429
Hold on to your delusion, monkey, you'll have to complement it with your tears.

>>60972431
get a trip, you deserve it

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>>60972431
Holy shit you're retarded.

Should I say, as expected?

>>60972421
>>60972427
forgot about those because nobody used them before wraiths

>>60972431
Fuck, you dumb, nigga. Every CPU will overheat with shitty cooling. But post-mayo intel ALWAYS overheats. THIS is the problem.

>>60971836
R&D Costs

>>60972489
now the cause of overheating FOR EVERY CPU THAT ISN'T AN INTEL ONE IS SHITTY COOLING

remember guys shitty cooling because intel is the only brand to be alowed to have overheating problems

also
>i already said that i'm with you, intel processors overheat and that is a problem

i have no problem on admitting it

you guys can't admit that other brands also have overheating problems

go to google and search amd overheating problems and have fun

>>60972456
thanks

>>60972456
???

i'm leaving guys
there will be no more fun for now

>>60972536
>overheating on 280mm AIO is the result of shitty cooling
0/10 you're not even trying anymore fampai.

>>60972536
>you guys can't admit that other brands also have overheating problems
No, the only issue here is that Intel is the fucking worst. They somehow managed to release something so infernal everyone is laughing at how disastrous this shit is.

This is Netburst 2.0

>>60972536
>now the cause of overheating FOR EVERY CPU THAT ISN'T AN INTEL ONE IS SHITTY COOLING
Yep. Precisely. Thanks to the mayo and shitty unscalable arch.

>>60972536
I think people can admit anthing that's true.
We're not talking about everything else though because two wrongs don't make a right.
This genuinely seems like these new Intel chips have some rather severe heat issues. That is what we're on about. Because the past is the past, but these thigns aren't even on shelves yet.

>>60972605
>shitty unscalable arch

well it lasted for 11 years before it got completely tapped out

>>60972614
>11
P6 is much older.

>>60972614
Wasn't Sandy Bridge released in 11

>60971814
i think intel forgot to give you a note about thermodynamics when you graduate from the shilling class

>>60971754
The damage control is legit.

100C degrees under water is NOT normal, especially for a 14nm node. Next thing you're going to show us is a 32nm Bulldozer running that hot. And we will all collectively laugh at your bullshit comparing the two.

Graphics cards and APUs on 28nm process nodes are NOT CPUs on 14nm nodes.

You literal autistic fuck.

>>60972156
They can get away with using extremely fast and expensive fans because who cares about noise in a server room

>>60972126
>Implying a CLC is desirable in any scenario

>>60972060

Yes. Zen+.

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>>60972536
>dumb retard can't into speech
the funny thing is even if your shit made sense it would still be wrong 'cause before ryzen /g/ periodically shat on AMD for overheating problems

also here's your complementary (you)

>>60972659
>who cares about noise in a server room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAMItojSTG4

many people that dont wanna live on a simulated airport

>>60972720
I don't think you understood my post

>>60972690
Also Nvidia(Fermi aka Thermi)

>>60972750
Dude you forgot 5800 Ultra aka the legendary dustbuster.

>>60972762
i think you mean the 5900...
the last time i fell for anything nvidia wise...
when i heard that they cheated on 3dmark back then and the actual perf was 44% down i went ape shit

>>60972774
>buying anything but 9700pro
You deserved it.

>>60972536
>you guys can't admit that other brands also have overheating problems

Well you can't admit that you don't understand how thermal margin works.

>>60972798
like literally shills are trying to pass as the norm that a cpu working on 100% on a workload it is intended to be used is somehow normal to achieve blue giant level of temperatures contributing to the climate change potentially creating china syndromes around the world if overclocked needing special certification for your electric company to bring a 380KV cable to your house..
and then going so mad to compare an apu to a HEDT

>>60972829
>and then going so mad to compare an apu to a HEDT
Problem here is that people didn't shut him down with that speccy image, it showed 120 thermal margin, not 120 degrees on chip.

>>60971525
FFmpeg does. Most assembly there has avx and even avx2. Granted, GPUs do exist and will do hardware video decoding now but tell me, does your GPU support VP9 hardware decoding? What if you wanted your server to transcode 1000 opus streams? Or your system to not spend 50% just decoding audio?
And the biggest reason ever - all software video encoders require assembly to make them fast enough. Hardware encoders are shit and you'll have to spend 10x the bitrate just to make them look good. Using more threads won't solve anything since everything in a video decoder is sequential and reducing dependency reduces quality.
Now shut your fucking trap.

>>60972848
>ONE thing uses oversized vectors
Wew. But Xeon Phi and hang yourself.

>>60972864
Video encoding is an extremely important application. It's hardly niche. If you make your own webms this is relevant to you, for example.

>>60972875
Who the fuck cares? It's not a reason for Intel to make bigger cores with gigantic L2 to support oversized vectors.

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>>60972848
>transcode 1000 opus streams
>It's hardly niche.

Kek'd

wew its not like vp9 is literally on every single cpu and gpu since 2015....

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>these oversized vectors are TOTALLY worth it goyim
>buy skylaeg-eggs

>>60972875
>creates webms
>1000 opus streams
>decoding 1 million satelitle stream @ 50mbps in real time
>encoding it with FF in real time
>totally typical use of a typical /g/ user
>hardly niche

>>60969155
I just found a juicy fact from my coworker who Knows Things:
SKL-X/-E will have a 2nd lower base/boost clock set for running AVX-512, beyond the already lower one for AVX-256.

Intel is burning die space on fat FP SIMD units that hurt yields and can't even be used without forcibly dropping clocks.

It's not over for intel yet (1MB L2 will help things a ton), but it's not gonna be a cakewalk for them this round.

>>60971575
:(

>>60972689
Source? Will it ever come to the AM4 platform?

>>60972962
SKL-X shows regression in some benchmarks precisely due to larger L2 and smaller victim L3. Large inclusive L3 helped Intel a lot, anon.

>>60972988
Anything with DDR4 support will come to AM4 platform. Like, AMD CEO herself said that.

>niggers believing that AVX512 makes Xenon competitive against Teslas
top kek
Teslas have thousands of cores and very high memory bandwidth able to feed them
A Xenon barely has 32 cores

>>60972962
This isn't even anything new or unexpected. Haswell did this and it got to absurd levels of stupid on the HCC Xeons. I personally had a production server start dropping connections because of bad single-threaded netcode getting shat on by AVX256 instructions being fired up across most the cores and lowering the clockspeeds by over 50%. It would even stall execution on a thread while spooling up the register, and then if you executed full throughput AVX256 instructions on an HCC you hit a memory bandwidth wall that made things even worse. For HPC, in most situations it was better to avoid the full HCC dies altogether. Seriously, big AVX has been a fucking joke of a niche instruction for most of it's life. I'm hoping it changes with SKL but I'm not holding my breath.

>>60972431
secret footage of the tests intel did with the X series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWOxk0a8M6M

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>>60973002
What does AVX-512 have to do with DDR4?

>>60972991
there will always be different benchmarks that favor some cache hierarchies over others.

despite all the other bullshit, SKL-E will be a win for us because non-strictly-inclusive L3 = no inverted L1/L2 evictions that you have to fuck around with CAT (static partitioning of L3 by groups of cores) to try to mitigate.

it's all just a function of your working set size.

>>60973018
If Zen2 will have DDR4 support, it'll fit into AM4 platform.

>>60973018
it just means that Zen2/Zen3 (including 7nm and 12c models) will be on the same platform for the next ~4 years before DDR5 becomes a thing.

people are just assuming that AMD will even want to put HOUSEFIRES level SIMD on Zen instead of just pushing Vega/Navi GPUs.

https://twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/876193860946468865

>>60973018
They will only change socket after DDR5 becomes available. I think.

>>60973050
Everyone knew about B2 since forever.

>>60973039
>>60973052
But this doesn't mean that Zen+ is going to support AVX-512, dammit!

>>60973046
I don't even want the 512 bit width. Just the 32 YMM registers for comfy assembly programing. Moving data from a GPR to an SIMD register and back should be faster than moving it to memory, shouldn't it?

>>60971593
Huge wildfires, reaching over 4 districts right now, been raging for 2 days now. When it first started, it spread so fast that people tried to flee in panic and ended up getting stuck with their cars in roads, crashing into each other, trapped in fallen trees, etc. At least 47 people alone died in a single road, most carbonized inside their cars after passing out from smoke inhalation.

Total death toll is at 62 right now, many more severely injured. Feels pretty bad man.

>>60973015
I've had similar (but not quite so bad) experiences with heavy AVX.

The actual execution units don't seem to be so bad, but even 64B BINGBUS doesn't seem to be enough to keep the fuckers fed without bottlenecking the interconnects. Perhaps mesh will help, perhaps not.

Fellow HFTanon?

>>60973101
Holy shit you fucking guessed it first try.
Yeah, what's up bro?

>>60971118
Fermi, never forget :^)

>>60970977
Intel has being firing ppl for years. No wonder their products are so innovative.

>>60973107
not much, just gotta get my lazy ass into the office.
have a good one.

>>60972089
covfefelake

>>60973155
You too.
At least there's one other person in the thread shitposting about things they'll probably end up using finally.

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>>60973202

>>60969451

Ryzen is selling the defective / development Epyc dies into the consumer market while they debug / develop and test it further for the enterprise market

Ryzen seems unpolished? Duh. It is your feedback that is doing that.

>>60973243
Early adopters always get fucked.

>>60972186
>>60972962
>>60973015
>>60973101

Yeah this is auto vectorization, working on the instruction set.

Double VPUs are relevant, each VPU operates independently on 512bit vector registers, which hold 16 single or 8 double precision floating-point numbers.

Where a scalar processor would perform a load, an addition and a store instruction for every element, a vector processor performs one load, one addition and one store for multiple elements.

Basically AVX-512 wide vectors and the 2 VPUs allow for 32 additions to happen at the same time for single precision numbers.

>>60973050
https://warosu.org/g/thread/S60004402#p60004638

Welcome to 2 months ago

>>60970986

AVX512 is the result of an Intel development project to increase single thread floating point performance by like 8x. Going from 256 to 512 plus the extra architectural modifications got a doubling in performance.

They are pushing on this because of gpu compute.

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reviews are here
it's even worse than we thought

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>>60973292
slightly better than x3 times cheaper CPU with 2 less cores, wew

http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=168200&curpostid=168587

Linus Torvalds on AVX512

> End result: there's basically no upside to doing maximally wide accesses. A good cache will do the two narrower (and more generic) accesses in parallel anyway. And the maximally wide access will always be really painful for alignment issues, while the narrower access is much more likely to "just work" (ie you can often split one unaligned narrower access into two aligned narrower accesses and still do it in one cycle, while a unaligned full-width access will take two cycles - but now re-aligning it will be much more painful).

>>60972988
They won't need it. They will have HSA enabled GPGPU which creams AVX-512.

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>>60973292
>>60973308
Goyim, I'm afraid you will have to delete those pictures immediately

>>60973292

How was it measured?

>>60973313
Yeah, basically every person that knows something isn't entirely sold on it being the end-all-be-all superpower most people think it is. It's practically only gaymen fanboys who think big AVX is some sekret intel jew magic which will lead them to the profits land after wandering aimlessly in the core arch for over a decade where they'll be able to save all their gold by using jizz TIM instead of solder.

>>60972848
AVX2 isn't AVX 256 or 512. AMD CPUs can do AVX2 just fine and you can check comparative video encoding benchmarks to see that for yourself. On the other thanks no one uses AVX 256 or 512 for anything, hence Xeon Phi's not selling at all.

>>60972895

>>Who the fuck cares? It's not a reason for Intel to make bigger cores with gigantic L2 to support oversized vectors.

Why not? The only reason people buy new cpus is because they are faster. Wide vectors can boost single thread performance, which has stalled (which all you fagots endlessly complain about)

If that is an open avenue to build a faster / better cpu you better believe it is going to be explored. Ask yourself why AMD is supporting avx256, and did not stop at sse2 or x87.

>>60971814
No currnetly existing processor hits 100c,thats is literally Mayo+100%+melting_metal

>>60973380
No, they cannot. Zen CPUs emulate AVX2. So its no faster than doing 2 AVX operations. Yet it still enables avx2 in its cpuflags, leading people to believe it supports it.

Also, there's no such thing as "AVX 256", AVX2 operations happen on 256 bit registers and that's all.

>>60973451
Ok, sure thing, except that AMD doesn't seem to suffer.any disadvantage in video encoding despite emulating AVX2 and literally no one uses AVX 512 for anything.

>>60972020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvJsG4F2Img

>>60973308
Threadripper will exterminate this garbage

>>60973483
No one uses AVX512 for anything because nothing normal has supported it for longer than a few months. It took months to write enough avx2 assembly by hand to make a difference in x264, and that's assuming a developer got access to a machine. Since no one in foss is fucking loaded (except the x264 devs who get around 20k GBP each year from licensing fees) that hasn't happened yet.

>>60973637
(and not to mention x264 is optimized enough that most time spend encoding is spend in the kernel, so x264 isn't the ideal software to test encoding speed now and libvpx is crap)

>>60969183
A sheckel for the good goy.

>>60973451
they do not emulate it they simply created 2 128 bit

>>60969155
So that's why they call is skylake X.

>>60969155
Moar bingbus:DDDDDDDDD

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AVX is good.

>>60972096
>using Windows 7
I hope you get hit by every piece of ransomware out there for using that outdated garbage.

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>>60971571
>It's okay when Intel does it

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Oy vey who wants to use regular aircooling nowadays? A compressor is the best!

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>>60969183
>>60971571
>>60971640
>>60971754
>>60971970
>>60972140
>>60972317
>>60972431
>>60972536

>This level of damage control

>>60974408
Is this a cooler that comes in box versions?

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>>60975146
Underrated.

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>>60975146
Yes, it comes with free in-home installation by a certified Intel technician. Please ignore the flame-retardant suit he's wearing.

>>60969468
If they get virtualization right, they will

>>60969183
fpbp

>>60971547
Still dunno why they did this.
If you drop like 10,000$ on a PC, you can afford a raid card. And fuck most motherboards already have all kinds of RAIDs... they always had.
Wtf

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>>60975619
>gotta get that last minute shitpost in before archive!