Anti-Systemd Thread

>>60951777
Devuan

OpenWrt

>>60951777
Tell us why you're against systemd.

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>>60951806

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>>60951806

systemd isn't one monolithic binary, it's a large collection of programs that all tie together to provide a modern operating system.

>>60951777
Gentoo. Seriously.

>>60951820
>>60951844
What a nice argument to illustrate how retarded and ignorant you all are. You can't even explain your point. Sad.

Gentoo on rack, slackware on thinkpad.

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>>60951894

>>60951777
I don't use systemd-free distro because I am not a hipster

>>60951777
it's always either Gentoo or Slackware.

probably because those are the only two realistic options.

>inb4 Temple

>>60951777
give source plox

>>60951777
I plan on compiling systemd and the kernel on gentoo using icc and then use musl libc and busybox like alpine linux does just so I can say fuck you to all you retarded gnu+linux and anti-systemd faggots. oh and I'll get a speed boost doing it too

>>60952038
>all you retarded gnu+linux
cuck detected, opinion discarded

>>60952074
>cuck detected
atleast I'll be free of gnu and the cancerous userbase that is the foss communists. seems to me like the real cuck is you

>people fell for the systemd is botnet meme

>>60952130
Developed by redhat.
Redhat worked with the NSA before.
also systemd is big and unreadable because "security"

>>60952159
>Developed by redhat.
>Redhat worked with the NSA before.
So all they do in the future is automatically bad because of that? Many other common kernel components where even developed by intel agencies directly, such as the hardened Linux thing packed by default in many distros. Why aren't you complaining about those though? Seems that you're rather ignorant and read too many posts written by ignorant people.
>also systemd is big and unreadable because "security"
No. It's open source. You should be able to read it and point specifically what's wrong with it. There's no excuse. Either bring proof or stop spouting ignorant claims.

>>60951912
Where do I find a girl that uses linux?

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>>60951962
Anime is Puella Magi Madoka Magica

The OP image is fanart

goys can you explain why systemd really sucks?
looks like its fastest init (or something like that I'm not too pro in linux)
I see a lot of systemd flags when installing anything
wanna try to switch from openrc so why I really shouldn't?

>>60952358
Because Pottering hurt my fee fees.

https://github.com/chiru-no/cloveros/releases/download/20170617/CloverOS-x86_64-20170617.iso

>>60951777
windows

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>>60951777
Unironically gentoo.

>>60951777
What the fuck is happening to madoka in that pic

OpenBSD

>>60954589
A large and monolithic software project run by a deutsch cuckold is being forced down her throat

>>60955168
Since systemd isn't monolithic, you must be talking about the Linux kernel right?

>>60951777
What the fuck is going on in that picture?

>>60951777
can anybody explain what is all this hoopla over systemd? what exactly is systemd?

>>60955207
Have you ever noticed how in the dictionary, some words have /several/ definitions?

>>60955233
Red Hat, a company that basically sells tech support for linux, decided it would be wise to make linux even more complicated and strange so they took over a lot of the core mechanisms of the OS, forced them on everyone, mucked around w/ them to make an inoperable cluster-fuck of system utilities and permissions management that only red hat can figure out, and called it systemd. Some people don't like how the whole thing turned out.

>>60955302
>>60952159
It isn't developed by Red Hat.
It is developed by individuals, from many companies.
The two most important developers are also from different companies. Lennart Poettering is from Red Hat, and Kay Sievers is from SUSE.

>>60952102
If there was no GNU you would never have the freedom to compile your own systemd gentoo you faggot
And everyone who unironically compare the free software movement to communism have no idea what free software even is about.

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>>60951777

Fork of Debian testing for work
I3wm
Openrc
(Devuan could be a option if I'm lazy)

Gentoo for the router.

>>60955356
Needs ZFS

>>60955381
Rumor is it's getting HAMMER2, haven't looked into that in a while though

Funtoo on laptop, Gentoo on personal servers.

Why do I not like systemd? I don't care about my system booting in few seconds, when debugging and fixing problems, that would be simple otherwise, takes me few hours.
It hijacks all logs, so /var/log becomes pretty useless. You cannot handle logs with simple unix tools, you need systemd tools for that. That is, when the logfiles do not get corrupted. When they do, they are completely useless.
It fucks up name resolution pretty hard. It took me a lot of time, to notice that systemd-resolved hijacks the name resolution system, so software that can can use systemd's DNS API uses it, but other software fallbacks to other ways of name resolution. It's fucking frustrating, when dig and

nslookup

resolve names correctly, but your software still doesn't work, attempting connections to some ass retarded IPs, or failing at resolving anything at all. Good luck using a VPN, which overrides DNS entries for the intranet, that otherwise resolve to wrong IPs from the internet.
Hell, I would swallow five minutes of booting, if it meant I wouldn't have to deal with systemd's bullshit. It's not like I boot my systems everyday.

>>60955324
Kay Sievers works for Red Hat since at least 2012.

>>60955597
>It fucks up name resolution pretty hard.
fucking this
I hate systemd-resolved with a passion

>>60955233
Its literally one of the only case where there were 12 competing standards and a company made a 13th competing standard and everyone saw that it was good and then unified to avoid the clusterfuck mess that was before it.

systemd is to linux what "usb" was to the 90s.

>>60955777
>systemd is to linux what "usb" was to the 90s
A piece of shit future generations will be stuck with for years to come?

>>60955777
sysvinit was the standard before
you might have heard of it

>>60951777
Void

>>60951933
you forgot about Void, CRUX and Source Mage

>>60954508
bad PS1, disgusting font and colors
kill yourself

If there's an actual reason to avoid systemd, it's that Poettering is fucking retarded.

Arch with runit and eudev.

>>60951924
I use the same setup I've been using for ten years and all I did when systemd showed up was to blacklist it. Everything still works and and I still know how everything works. Stay comfy.

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Void 4 lyfe

>>60958059
>>60958185
Don't worry, I'll respond to you :^)

>>60955272
Have you noticed how in specific fields some words are technicality with only one very specific meaning, despite meaning different things in other contexts? I'm still waiting for any of you retards to address >>60952228 so I can further demonstrate how utterly ignorant and dumb you are, by the way.

>>60960341
Go ahead

>>60955342
If there was no Red Hat, Linux would literally be just a hobbyist OS.

>>60958010
More like Void 4 my lyfe.

>>60951777
I'm currently using parabola. There needs to be an FSF approved no-sysemd distro.

>>60951933
Devuan is also fantastic, although I do prefer OpenRC to SysV

>>60954840
I really hope it takes off and gains momentum one day soon, I donate to the foundation monthly since I lack the skills to actually help.

>>60960697
SUSE was there before Red Hat.

>>60960774
>There needs to be an FSF approved no-sysemd distro.
GuixSD

>>60961240
And companies look for people who are Suse certified, amirite?

>>60951777
>mfw SystemD is forcing everyone on Linux to use their shitty, bloated, vulnerable bullshit
Once you anti-SystemDtards are all left with 1970s console applications are you finally going to go to the superior OpenBSD operating system?

>>60951777
Manjaro

>>60961258
And why are you comparing certificates, when the topic are commercial Linux systems?
I can assure you, that SUSE is doing really well, it also pays really good.

>>60961299
Once OpenBSD gains momentum we can expect a brighter future for personal computing and server performance

>>60961353
SUSE is doing well in China, literally no where else.

Microfocus does well globally but that has no benefit to SUSE.

>>60961390
Can you tell something more about both companies, or point me to some resources? I'm interested in how SUSE operates on the market.

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It's funny how systemd haters spend so much time whining about it and even consider switching distros because of it. I mean, if you can afford to switch distors every week because of some minor nuances, clearly your usage patterns don't go further than screenfetch.

Meanwhile, I've been an Arch-fag since 2009 so I've been using systemd since 2012, I believe, and during this time I had to deal with it only a couple of times, otherwise, it just works.

>>60961583
SUSE and Redhat or SUSE and Microfocus?

>>60961751
SUSE and Micro Focus, but mostly SUSE.
From what I have found, Asia, Pacific & Japan (APJ) is the smallest market, International being the core one with almost 4 time higher revenue than APJ, and North America being not much behind International.
http://investors.microfocus.com/~/media/Files/M/Micro-Focus/key-financial-data/results-presentations/presentation/preliminary-results-presentation-july-2017.pdf

>>60961585
Yeah and Windows just works too.

>>60961804
>I don't like it when things work.
t. systemd-hater

>>60961585
It's funny how much time lennart's cocksuckers spend lecturing people about stuff they self admittedly "don't care about". It's like it genuinely irks you that people use something better that you're to dumb to figure out.

>>60961819
It all worked fine before systemd came onto the scene too.

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beware the RedMumbai shill

>>60961848
It works better now with systemd.

>>60955381
No you don't. FFS2 + plain old backup is fine.

Devuan and I'm thankful for the project.
I wanted to ditch systemd for a long time but the only distributions that offered this were too obscure or followed design philosophies i try to avoid (like gentoo).

Now it's like going back to Debian from when I started using Linux. Feels good mon.

>>60961939
Devuan is pretty great, the main thing that attracts me to it is the professionalism and attitude of the developers.

I really hope it gains momentum so we can rid the SJW politics of Debian from GNU/Linux.

>>60957733
please tell me how did you install it

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>>60951777
Used to use Slackware.
Currently usung gentoo.
Building my Beyond Linux From Scratch system.

All system d free.

>>60951777
Devuan for my server machines and planning in switching to Void in my desktop machines

>>60962020
>2017
>Merely supporting the idea of women in programming is considered "SJW" like it is a crime against humanity
Please don't reproduce.

>>60952239
You don't.

>>60963984
I don't think it's the case.
Devuan has a code of conduct that literally says "we're all adults, let's behave like adults, inflammatory behaviour is discouraged, we're all participating in a voluntary project"

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>>60951777
Every time I see this picture I wonder, what's that yellow jelly looking stuff?

>>60963984
Women in programming for the sake of women in programming is identity politics cancer. The people who program were there first, anyone who wishes to join can adapt or fuck off.

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>>60964159
Daikon.

>>60964189
Thanks, learn something new every day...

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>>60952159
Please point to the file and line number(s) where the backdoor exists. It's completely open source, so this should be trivial for you.

Unless you're saying the code being open source doesn't matter one iota when it comes to finding backdoors because most people never bother anyways, but that goes against literally every piece of freetard propaganda ever made.

Pick one.

>>60964189
huh, I always assumed it was a urinal cake

>>60955777

Ironic post since USB's domination of the market has resulted in the people in charge of registering IDs being able to rip off anyone developing new products.

>>60952358
* Does way way way too much (see the hippo gif). Why does an init system need the ability to generate QR codes? Why does it need to handle ntp when ntpd exists and works fine? On and on and on. NIH bloat for bloat's sake.

* Effectively ruins modularity. (systemd itself is nominally modular, but it represents such a fast moving target that third party systemd modules won't realistically ever exist) - huge swathes of your system are being subsumed into a monoculture. Which I wouldn't have a problem with but:

* Its developers have a shockingly poor attitude (generally of the form of making messes and expecting others to clean up after or work around them)

And it's not one of these things that's the problem, it's all three of them taken as a whole.

>>60960697

Anyone old enough to remember how RedHat ruined the "Linux Standard Base"?