Who else is converting back to AMD-ianity?

>>60939539
Waiting™ for Zen-based laptops. Fuck the kikes.

Intel is unbeateable feature wise

Optane
4k Netflix streaming
Intel WiGi

AMD might have performance and efficiency, but it lacks features.

Zen isn't good enough for me. I'd wait for 7nm and see.

>>60939556
>AMD might have performance and efficiency

i never thought an intel shill would say this

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>>60939556
>he thinks he needs KBL or newer to use Optane

Lmao
Here's it running on a Broadlel Xeon, as a regular NVMe drive.

>>60939603
>if you don't glop unconditially poojet semen and bash intel, you're a shill
how to spot amdrone

>>60939627
>praising useless as fuck optane
>not a shill
Pick one

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>>60939627
>praises optane and Netflix hardware DRM (its a feature!)
>not a shill

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>>60939556
>Optane

you do realize that shit is a glorified SSD, right?

Even Intel's documentation describes it as a turboboost for mechanical drives. In other words, if you already use SSDs, it's fucking useless.

>>60939688
Just wait a few years, Optane will get fixed and be much faster

>>60939694
>Just Wait™

>>60939539
AMD is unstable garbage

I use my computer for serious work, I would never put that poorfag shit in it

>>60939627
This board is overrun with AMD shills, it's disgusting.

>>60939712
Nobody buys intel failures for serious work though

>>60939556
>WiGig
The technology even people developing it believe to be useless

>>60939824
everybody does because it is stable and ryzen is still new, with all the bios/motherboard/ram issues you should NOT buy ryzen now if you want a stable pc

>>60939723
this board is overrun with "you can only side with x or y" idiots who can't comprehend that most people just buy what the best solution is for a given price and they don't look if it's amd or intel

>>60940058
Fuck off jordan, you perma BTFO tripfag.

>>60940058
Ryzen is more stable than intel because of better IPC and efficiency, also intel will burn your house down, no thanks not gonna risk it.

>>60939547
this. ryzen mobile will be so rad. powerful, efficient, good integrated graphics, reasonably priced.

>>60939539
Waiting for the server platforms and SoCs.

>>60939539
Literally everyone is switching to Ryzen because Intel is now releasing disaster after disaster

>>60939556
>4k Netflix streaming
How long do you think it will take before the EU or the FTC sues Intel and Netflix for this?

>>60940087
>ryzen is more stable because it's faster and drains less power
what, that has nothing to do with being stable
i have a 1600 and i'm still searching for rams that will not randomly switch to 2133mhz and crash my pc or make my pc not boot at all, i think i will need to just return this new pc and use my old one (fx-8320) until they fix all the problems

>>60940083
>tripfags
hell no

I might build a new PC soon. Are there any good APUs from AMD? The last AMD processor I've ever used was an AMD Duron way back.

>>60940214
Nah, AMD hasn't released any Ryzen APUs yet. They don't have any low end CPUs worth buying at all (least until the R3 Ryzens come out)
Intel is still winning at the super low end, the pentiums are pretty good, but above $100, there's nothing intel worth buying until the 7700k.

>>60939539
me.

fuck intel

My history of CPU's has been Intel up until about a year ago, then swapped to AMD because cheap X4 860k. It ran like shit. Overclocked to 4.5GHz at about 1.36v it'd randomly spike to mid-80's, and if I was doing anything intensive, that spike would mean shutdown, so fucked any work I tried doing up. I'm glad to be off it.
I kinda regret buying the Intel, but I got it and the Z170 mobo for cheaper than a R5 1400 & decent B350 ATX mobo, so I feel pretty good about it.
Might buy R5 1600 if I ever see it on a good sale.

>>60939547
this.
i want ryzen and vega laptop nao.

>>60940172
Your motherboard is shit.

I had never ever had AMD hardware before. Now look at me:

PU:       Octa core AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core (-HT-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 3000 MHz 1: 3000 MHz 2: 3000 MHz 3: 3000 MHz 4: 3000 MHz 5: 3000 MHz 6: 3000 MHz
           7: 3000 MHz 8: 3000 MHz 9: 3000 MHz 10: 3000 MHz 11: 3000 MHz 12: 3000 MHz 13: 3000 MHz 14: 3000 MHz
           15: 3000 MHz 16: 3000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 driver: amdgpu Resolution: [email protected]
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD POLARIS10 (DRM 3.10.0 / 4.11.4-1-MANJARO, LLVM 4.0.0)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.1.2

It's a pretty fun combination. I only wish AMD supported Linux for its GPU-accelerated video encoding software.

>>60940716
So you agree Ryzen si shit?

>>60939613
>16GB
??????????????????

>>60940774
Yeah, and it's about $45 for that 16GB drive.

>>60939556
Lacks of features ? At least it don't have Housefire feature

>>60939556
lol

>>60939539
I never left.

>>60939539
No now's the time for us AMDstians to switch over to intel and enjoy that sweet sweet blue love for cheap

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>>60939556
>Optane
I was honestly really excited about it at first
>1000x faster than NAND
>1000x endurance of NAND
>inexpensive
reality sucks though
>a bit faster than NAND
>slightly more durable than older Intel SSDs
>more expensive than NAND SSDs
>DC P4800X 450GB for $1520
>$4 per GB
never trust marketing slides

>>60939675
Is this... the Intel core?!

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>>60939556
>meme
>useless
>wtf is that

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>>60939556

I got a Ryzen CPU because I didn't feel like fucking with delidding, which is mandatory on Intel CPUs. Also Ryzen's logo is sexier.

>>60939539
I have a 6600k @4.6 and I almost only do gaming on my pc, so I'm not in a hurry to upgrade, especially because ryzen motherboards have been shit so far. That said, I feel the need for something more and I will probably upgrade to zen+ when it comes out. I would be happy to get rid of Intel.

>>60939539
who the fuck buys CPU's this often that you actually need to deal with this shit

I'm using an 8350 and I have no reason to upgrade other than it's hot as fuck

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Using ryzen at 4ghz/3400mhz ram. feel good

>>60941643
>2017
>minecraft is still a thing
how?

>>60941757
the same reason lego is still a thing

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>>60939539
If Zen2 has a cpu better than 7700k, then it's over for Intel

>>60941409
>bulldozer
>I have no reason to upgrade
lol

>>60941409
I would guess gamers and people who work with video a lot?
That being said, my 8370 is still enough for me since I have everything scripted to run while I sleep or go to work.

>>60941933
>lego is still a thing
it is?

>>60939539
>Implying I left AMD
AMD FX 8320 master race.

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>>60942004

Bought into AM4 when I found out about how insane IBM's node process is going to be. If Zen+ is using that then holy fuck. 1700 is also just insane value for a CPU.

I'm still not touching AMD's graphics cards with a 10 meter long shit stained pole though.

>>60942098
>I'm still not touching AMD's graphics cards with a 10 meter long shit stained pole though.
Good goy.

>>60942136
>$1900 for a GPU that probably can't even match a 1080 Ti

AMD are the Jews here.

>>60942162
>can't even match a 1080 Ti
Benchmarks please. Also please stop being retarded.

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>>60939556

>>60942162
that card is basically a firepro card which explains its cost. the mainstream gpus will be price competitive with their performance like always.

>>60939539
do you have the one where he's wearing the intel hat (not taking it off) and crying?

>>60940214
>>60940227

The Ryzen APU will all use a Vega based iGPU because of the Infinity Fabric interconnect.
A lot of early ZEN promo slides mentionned APU's being able to play esports games reasonably.

Those APU will yeld a high advantage in the consumer pc market. If you are old enough to remember the first APU from AMD, you know how big of an impact they had on the market at the time.

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>>60939556

>>60942392
DELID THIS

Why the fuck would I need Netflix on my PC when I have it built into my 4K TV?

>>60943260
So u can control everything from a single location (your media center) without being a normie faggot?

>>60939539
Only the best goys go for intel.

>>60939556
>Optane
Get a ssd
>4k Netflix streaming
Your calling DRM a feature.
>Intel WiGi
Wtf is this

>>60943420
You're normalfag cancer regardless if you're using Netflix

>>60943557
But DRM is a feature, goy! It doesn't matter if it means that viruses could become totally undetectable!

>>60944109
>implying 4chan is not 100% normie fgts

>>60940116
It's not exclusive.

>>60944212
>normie

A normalshit calling others normies, funny.

>>60944109
You too poor for Netflix?

>>60940058
>with all the bios/motherboard/ram issues you should NOT buy ryzen now if you want a stable pc

This. The performance and price are completely irrelevant when AMD shit is so fucking unstable you can't trust it with your work.

>>60944253
At least I'm not in denial

>>60944251
Neither was Intel's compiler. It is still stifling competition and innovation.

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>>60939694
>intel shills going with the Just Wait strategy
oh how ironic the life can be

>>60939547
6-8 core mobile workstations? Count me the fuck in.

>>60939694
KEK

>>60940058
>>60944339
Nice FUD.

>>60944920
>Ryzen machine goes to sleep
>Suddenly all system timings are off

Yeah, definitely no issues there.

>>60944961
Way to bring up something that was fixed less than a month after launch.

>>60944961
Is there any motherboard that has working suspension when overclocked?

>>60939556
Be4wesome, you forgot your trip

>>60945755
Has it actually been fixed? I saw someone having the same issue just a week ago.

>>60939539
I actually switched from Intel and fell for the 8350 meme. I shilled hard for AMD and even bought stock. Looks like I won in the end.

I haven't changed a component in my PC since 2014

I'm not changing shit still

>>60946135
>I shilled hard for AMD and even bought stock.

People like you have completely ruined this board, thanks.

>>60939712
Fuck you mean B? I have an old ass 8350 and I run that shit 24/7, never have issues.

>>60939539
> back
Who upgraded from Phenom (II) or earlier to Ryzen here?

>>60946394
FX platform is way more stable because they worked out all the bugs by now.

>>60939556
indoctrinated willingly.

I hope AMD can win back some serious OEM clout. I want my next Toughbook to be AMD powered. I want an APU laptop with 15 hours of battery life.

>>60939539
Ryzen still only fills the gap between bulldozer and sandy bridge, the only thing they bring to the table is "moar cores" and nobody needs more than 4 with HT for consumer grade applications.
While I will agree that ryzen is a step in the right direction, they need to improve a lot on IPC. Announcing threadripper was a bad move.

>>60947281
And then you woke up.

>>60939539
I am. The i5 3570K was my only Intel CPU and now I'm glad AMD is up there again.
Getting a 1600X.

>>60940058
>you should NOT buy ryzen now if you want a stable pc
here, have another (you)

>>60940172
>>60940670
This. Mine has been stable at 2933 for a while now, waiting for the new AGESA to leave beta and I'll try for 3200, but it is plenty fast enough already.

>>60941075
>using a single-product malfuction to say that all the intel products are bad
>overused meme

that's what i call quality arguments guys

>>60941757
>>60941933
>>60942044
autism

>>60948660

forgot to quote
>>60940858

>>60939539
>Can now render videos alot better
>Can't game as well anymore
>Fallout 4 dipping into the 40s
>Rising storm 2 dipping into the 30s
Dunno if I should be upset

>>60949070
have some bantz then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQduFp_syaU

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>>60944324
Kill yourself you perma-BTFO'd tripfaggot

>>60939556
>Intel proprietary features list
>Doesn't even mention Thunderbolt
We've got a faggot over here

>>60939688
Sounds like it's just like the Hybrid drives Apple has been trying to offload in its iMacs for years.

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FUKKEN ZEN 2 WHEN

>>60949942
Now that the new architecture is finally out, AMD will release its next roadmap. We'll see an iterative improvement on Ryzen, then sub-14mm processes in 2019-2020

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>>60949942
Pretty fucking soon. IBM nazi engineers are doing wonders at GloFo.

>>60944339

The ryzen platform isn't "unstable", it simply does not work well out of the box with non-standard memory (anything over 2667 Mhz). That's not exactly unnexpected considering there is no standard for it.

Intel had worst day 1 release bugs but you are probably too young to remember...

>>60949070
Fallout 4 : Game industry's longest running joke of an engine, Shitbryo.
Rising Storm 2 : Looks like yet another poorly optimized military shooter (ARMA 3, PUBG, etc.) what is with this genre and trash-tier engines?

>>60945889
Didn't update his BIOS, maybe? All I know is I heard of that issue right at launch and then never again after.

>>60949845
Yesterday this braindead faggot said that watt-hours told you nothing about batteries. What a fucking loser.

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>>60939539
Alright shill, convince me to spend shitloads of money on a new desktop when my old Core2 Quad desktop and Core2 Duo laptops still work perfectly for every daily task.

>>60946159
:^)
I only shilled my friends, didn't shill here until Ryzen

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>>60939556

>>60944517
who the fuck even uses icc? no one

>>60949942
mid next year

>>60951110
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>60939694
>buy it now because in a few years it will be worth buying
>>60939556
>4k only works on Kaby Lake because of our bribes
I browse 8pol regularly and I have never read such pure, unadulterated, concentrated Judaism

>>60939547
this. Dunno if Zen will outrun Atoms in power efficiency, but i5-7's will definitely be raped
Also mobile vega on the same LPP efficient process node, with tiled rendering optimisations, mmmm

>>60939539
Sent my temporary 7700k back. Was gonna use it until the 7820k came out. Nope.

Bought a Ryzen 7 1700X.

Apart from a small 15 minute headache because of posting issues(needed to reseat CPU 3 times before my MSI carbon would stop CPU error posting), I haven't regretted my decision at all.

Why does Ryzen take so long to boot on the first few loads?

>>60942162
That's not a consumer-grade card, anon
You can bitch about Quadras price as well

>>60953324
You did do a fresh install after you installed your new motherboard and CPU r-right anon?

>>60953400
Are you that anon that forgot to reinstall his OS after upgrading to Ryzen?

>>60953324
Downloading and applying microcode, perhaps?

>>60953413
No but I was definitely thinking about him when I asked >>60953324

>>60953400
Negative. Ain't nobody got time for that. Shit works perfectly as-is with excellent performance.

>>60953413
No I've only had ryzen for about a week now.

>>60953422
Before even getting to BIOS?

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>>60953461
>He didn't do a fresh install after replacing the motherboard and CPU
>He thinks it's all gonna be okay

>>60953622
Didn't say that. I said ain't nobody got time for that. I'll stop a fresh install of Arch in a few weeks when my new parts get in. Getting a couple new drives, NAS, and hopefully Volta.

Also getting dedicated power circuit and UPS installed to my workstation to balance out the load because there's far too much shit running in my makeshift office. That's actually happening tomorrow morning.

>>60939547
It'll be a LONG wait. We don't see anything until "late Q4 2017" which in reality means early 2018.

It's kind of annoying because AMD graphics is the only choice for us GNU/Linux users who don't want to let a binary blob graphics stack lock us to a specific distribution / xorg version. I'd like to buy a laptop with a IPS panel and a back-lit keyboard (that's seriously the only things I don't like about my current laptop).

All the laptops are Intel CPUs+Nvidida graphics. AMD simply isn't there and they won't be for quite a while. By then we'll have some nice Qualcomm based offerings, though...

I was always using AMD, except from 2011 to 2014 (i5 2300)

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>>60939556
>4k Netflix streaming
What the
F U C K
U
C
K

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>>60939539
>raisin cpu
lolnothankyou

>>60939539
I don't have a desktop PC since 2006 but I'd really like to give full-AMD laptops a try. If they existed, lel. Zen seems to be power efficient so I think it's only a matter of time.

>>60939539
I just switched back to Intel when ryzen released, so maybe epyc I'll be amd.

>>60939556
>Optane
@32/64gb is a waste of a m.2 slot
The 375gb one is too expensive for normies to consider
>4k Netflix streaming
This is not important to anybody, but still there's a workaround for non kaby lake

Intel's "features" are ridiculous

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>>60944160
well, that would mean you don;t have a piece of hardware, if you think netflix is hardware. then WHAT THE FUCK DO I CARE THATS NOT THE POINT. you still have a poiece of hardware you stupid fucks always calling spyware not spyware viruses not viruses gee how will they hack the internet

>>60939556
>AMD might have performance and efficiency, but it lacks features.
Performance and efficiency are both features you fucking dumbass, and unlike 4K Netflix and Optane, they're useful features that people look for when they're going to spend 200+ dollars on a single component.

>>60953422
>self aware computers
OH yea yea why didnt I think of (((Self-Aware))) computers?...

>>60939539
I would. But my 5820k will serve me well for the upcoming decade. And I'll get the option of dropping in those housefire 20 core xeons once they start dropping off servers.

Staying here with muh glorious Skylake portable housefire that reaches 70°C when compiling anything that takes longer than half a minute.

Soon as AMD ITX boards come out desu.

>>60955639
Senpai.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138452

>>60955652
For whatever reason unavailable over here, plus integrated wi-fi & BT are desirable.

>>60955685
While not ideal, you can just get both of those via dongles.
But availability is a different matter. Yeh.

>>60955710
Gigabyte and ASrock have boards coming out towards the end of july.

>>60939556
>Optane
>4k Netflix streaming
>Intel WiGi

Litteraly shit and gimmicky features.
Intel is bankrupt. Do you expect they'll be paying you for too much longer when their coffers run dry?

>>60957063
>Intel is bankrupt
desu if Buldozer didn't bankrupt AMD, Zen won't kill Intel, since they were sitting on cash for the last decade

I use a fx cpu myself (just always been poorfag and an attachment to amdl cpus)

Kabylake are sound but those 7700k can be a touch hit and miss, some of them need delidding due to shitty overclock temps but oncr they habe been they run solid as fuck to be fair, ryzen are getting a touch better now but still are not with out their issues which were shocking at first lol id still go for a ryzen but not for a while yet, let a few more bios updates roll out

>>60957133
Apple will buy Intel

>>60957361
So Intel will become seller of overpriced products that carry mostly brand behind it but "just werks"?

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>>60939539
DELET

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>intelshitters think i9 will save the day

>>60957400
Exactly. Nothing will change.

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>>60958131
You bet.

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>>60939539
why would you do that ? Everybenchmarks shows Ryzen getting rekt by that i7 7700k.

I don't understand why is there a massive shilling.

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>>60958188
>quad core
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>60958287
what's the matter ? Wasn't the FX serie octa core and still shit ?

>converting back to AMD

No.
I did that the last time AMD got their shit together enough to create some competition and wound up staying with them FAR longer than I should have.

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Damn, I wish there was another motherboard standard. I like smaller PCs, but need PCIe slots for stuff. Considering how few elements Ryzen motherboards need, wouldn't it be possible to remove audio and graphics and shift everything up on a m-ITX board to put additional PCIe slots? RAM would have to be rotated 90 degrees as well, which is actually good since muh airflow.

>>60939539
>/g/ is now AMD Central

Really makes u think

>>60958508
Mini-DTX is probably what you're looking for, but boards for it are rare. Cases, not so much (if it has 2 card slots it supports DTX). Literally all most boards for it are are ITX boards extended by a single slot.

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>>60958188
>every MUH GAYMES benchmark
>A resolution/refresh rate/videocard combo that nobody actually ever runs at except benchmarkers
>10-15 FPS difference at most

lol.

>>60939539
No ayymd lags when it comes to single core performance which is what 99% of people care about it. Don't fall for the hype and memes.

>>60958323
>Wasn't the FX serie octa core and still shit ?
Still waiting on bios updates, and further optimizations.

>>60958581
>10-15 FPS difference at most

At best. Shit I see games where ryzen can't carry a consistent 40fps where Intel can hit over 60fps. So yes maybe stay away from muh gaming unless you are going to do us all the disservice of bombarding /g/ with GPU bottlenecked gaming benches.

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>>60939556
>DUDE
>RAIDKEYS
>LMAO

>>60958777
Sauce on those 40fps benchmarks? I'm sick of seeing all this bullshit where every single card tested gets over 80fps and they're splitting hairs over one getting 80fps and the other getting 90fps and the other getting 100fps. Like, nigger, who gives a shit they're all over 60fps.

>>60958777
There's a few standout games that still run poorly on Ryzen like ARMA 3 and Fallout 4, mostly because they're unoptimized garbage.
>>60958624
The only Intel CPU worth a shit with a noticeable single core advantage over Ryzen is the 7700K, and it's a JIZZ tim abortion with temp spikes due to shoddy thermal paste under the lid.

>>60958857
>Sauce on those 40fps benchmarks

Play Arma, or any other game that AMD told reviewers to stay away from during launch.

>>60939556
You mean the Intlet features where you have to buy a $300 dongle/upgrade cards to enable something?

>>60958975
>ARMA 3 and Fallout 4, mostly because they're unoptimized garbage.

>unoptimized garbage

A 2600k with an overclock can run this game fine. The unobtized garbage excuse wears itself thin nowadays.

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traitors. Intel is our greatest ally

>>60955435
Nah dude. 2011-3 is dead.

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>streaming

>>60958777
Any Intel quad cure struggles in newer games.

>>60958986
>>60959024
When they're the only games left that run like shit, yeah, it's the fucking garbage engine.

>>60959024
CS:GO also runs pretty well on 2600k but that's not the point

Watch your back, the Radeon™ Rebellion is coming.

>>60939539
I have an i7 in my desktop and laptop but I'll definitely switch back to AMD if they remain competitive when I need to upgrade my 6700K. I actually hate Intel but they were the only real option when I made my last purchases.

>>60959371
Good goy.

>>60959036
I LOVE ((((INTEL)))) TOO, FELLOW GENTILE

>>60959332
They aren't the only games that run like shit on amd though.

>>60959562
What else?

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>>60959562
So this is the power of Intel...

>>60959580
Just those 2 anon. Everything else is unoptimized garbage.

>>60959610
I'll go buy a ryzen now. You sure showed me.

>>60959664
Glad you admitted Ryzen is better.

>>60959644

That's why I am asking. Because ARMA runs like shit on everything. And Fallout 4 is a Frankensteins monster of DX9 and DX11 with Nvidia getting involved in the engine.

>>60959778
Fallout stutters more on intel cpus

>>60959749
>Glad you admitted Ryzen is better
Why can't it play Arma, DCS, Fallout, or anything else when an overclock Ed 2600k can?

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>>60959664

NO

>>60959799
At least Ryzen can play games instead of stuttering because of garbage architecture. Unless you like stutters.

I got a phenom x4 965 BE, which CPU could would give me the same price to value/power ratio ?

>>60959749
Ryzen has a high IPC in some benchmarks why doesn't this reflect in software that relies heavily on a single thread. Are the benchmarks wrong, or are the software anti-amd who are in Intel's pockets?

>>60959819
>can play
Sure It can play some games.

>>60959869
Already above intel.

>>60959858
Same reason an i3 beats an 6900k in games.

>>60959879
30fps in Arma with is not better. Playing DCS, or Falcon is a joke on ryzen, and people with amd cpus think that an inconsistent 30fps on emulators is actually good.

>>60959901
Both are better choices for gaming than an amd desu. Except the 6900k doesn't justify it's cost.

>>60959937
The only good intel cpu is the G4560

>>60959912
>performance in niche autismo sims is THE factor to choose the CPU
Motherfucker get a 7350k and kill yourself.

>>60959858
Why this happens?

>>60939556
>Optane
>Netflix
>WiGi
Irrelevant bullshit.

>>60959957
Niche autismo games are the only real reason to even game on a PC.
>Motherfucker get a 7350k
Not bad advise, because it's actually better than amd for gaming.

>>60959858
Because pajeets.

>>60959999
>I have autism so I play autismo sims and buy Intel
Most people don't play pajeetcoded autismo sims.

>>60939556
Don't forget ME, that feature is great

>>60959999
>Niche autismo games are the only real reason to even game on a PC
Speak for yourself, autismo.

>>60960034
And RFID

>>60946479
And the same was done with Ryzen within the first month, kiddo.

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>>60959999
QUADS DESTROYED GIGAPAJEET

I WAS HERE FOR THIS

>>60940743
Another desperate Intel shill, folks.

>>60941974
1800X is already better in everything except for some gaymez.

>>60959999
daaang it's so sexy

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>>60959999
>i3 7350k is not a waste of money goyim!
perfectly good quads wasted on a retard.

>>60960120
>>60960150
>>60960198
Gigapajeets crumbled into cochroaches. Nothing can stop them.

>>60960092
>QUADS DESTROYED GIGAPAJEET
Now it smells like spicy turds have splattered everywhere. Literal shit splattered everywhere.

>>60960241
Pooroaches will outlive us all. Scientist say that they can live for at least 80 years without wiping their asses.

>>60939556
M A N A G E M E N T E N G I N E

>>60959858
>Ryzen has a high IPC in some benchmarks why doesn't this reflect in software that relies heavily on a single thread.

I wonder why.

>>60960376
AMD TRUSTZONE FTW

>>60960376
A M D P L A T F O R M S E C U R I T Y P R O C E S S O R

>>60939547
me too, but im pretty sure my balls are gonna suffer from all the heat.

>>60960865
>Zen
>Vega
>heat
Wat.

>>60959472
>Appealing to antisemitism to make a point
I buy Intel because they're Jews. Also Palestinians need to go back to Jordan.

Still running my Xeon with 32GB DDR3 ram, the only reason I'd want to upgrade is maybe USB type C and 64GB DDR4

Ram issues on Ryzen over 16GB means it's not viable to sidegrade right now.

Flare-X Ryzen validated ram only hits 3200 with their single 2*8GB 16GB total kits.
Anything else and it's a lottery.

Also don't like how the B350 motherboards only have 4 sata native with 5/6 on a third party chipset while x370 boards are so fucking expensive.

While I really want to pull the trigger on the 1700x, board selections and ram really put me off, The CPUs support ECC but the boards are all shit.

>>60939539
I'm just not upgrading. 4790k works

>>60959778
Farcry Primal is one of them. Ran like shit on Ryzen and never got patched for whatever reason. Other games that ran poorly got patched and now run fine.

>>60961026
Yeah its not worth it if you have a good x99, just sit back and relax. Maybe upgrade GPU if you really need it, but HDMI 2.1 supporting GPU's is what I'd wait for; oh and dont get new monitors for the same reason.

>>60959821
If you're poor or just wanna game get a 1500

>>60961002
Best goy right here

>>60939556
>4k netflix
>only on W10 edge browser*
>most people will just use their android tv to view it in 4k in their living rooms

Threadly reminder that intel is gonna finish the TB standard so all companies can use it including AMD.

TB3 ryzen in 2 years tops

>>60961364
btw, how is this bullshit with 2160p Netflix being available only on Kaby Lake processors even legal?

>>60961409
because it's technically DRM that just so happens to work on new Intel processors.

Unless you're on android, then it doesn't care.
Weird how that works.

>>60960031
>Most people don't play pajeetcoded autismo sims.
Nice try, but people drop over a few thousand hours in these niche games anon. People like you on the other hand are better off with an Xbox, and a noose to neck yourself with.

>>60961364

4k netflix exclusive to intel is a misconception, I've binge streamed house of cards in 4k sometime ago with haswell

just need a good proc, even firefox has the widevine plugin, compatible hdcp 2.2 gpu, cable for the bandwidth and a UHD certified panel with the nits quantum dots deep blacks

>>60961409

generalized misunderstanding, it's just that 4k takes alot of processing power and the main selling point of kaby lake besides the integrated gfx capable of 4k60hz (which was also available on haswell using DP) is lowering the jitter and processing requirement for playback on power efficiency mainly for laptop playback

>>60961436

totally sure it's not intel exclusive, just get a gpu with the newest hdmi spec, hdcp 2.2, widevine and a real UHD TV like a connect box with a separate processor to decode the playback on the fly then you'll play it

>>60959858
Hmmm

>>60953622
Didn't reinstall after upgrading to a Ryzen1700 from a FX8350
Should I reinstall?

>>60961582
it's not a bad idea to do a reinstall with "keep my files" and make sure all your drivers and bios are up to date.

I only got a truly stable install after updating windows to the absolute latest available as well.

>>60959858

IPC isn't purely independent, Ryzen arch has a processing structure flow that segregates while Intel mixes. Intel still holds this single-thread perf as some lone soldier of fortune. Trend towards multi-thread although real world application and dev adoption to this conversion might be overestimated. Ryzen IPC genuinely improved but currently not anywhere near Intel. optimization, as the trend and market share goes

>>60961582
Always clean install. Always.

>>60949942
Late 2018 or more likely 2019. Zen+ (Zen with higher clocks and bug fixes) will probably be out early 2018.

>>60961616
>Ryzen IPC genuinely improved but currently not anywhere near Intel
It's within 10%, stop with this bullshit.

>>60961439
>3.5 autismos are wasting money on sims
Wow.

>>60961665

cue passmark single thread performance

This isn't a zero sum game, it's just a matter of divergent methods of applied processing on making the better framework accessible to naturally cut through and evolve

Always buy intel

>>60961677
>Games run like shit on amd
>Hurr niche autismo games that no one plays

tfw 90% of the PC gaming industry are niche autismo games.

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>>60962056
You're not following the official shilling guide, shill. No $10 Starbucks giftcard for you!

>>60959610
The stutter is real.

>>60962150
>You're not following the official shilling guide, shill.
I didn't get a free trip to Hawaii, and free harware from amd redteam+, so yes I'm probably not shilling properly.

>>60939539

So here are my personal thoughts with this.

First off, it seems like anytime someone makes an Intel thread, there's so much AMD salt, you could turn roast beef into jerky by looking at it. HOWEVER, it seems like opposite is also true.

The numbers are absolutely there. Dollar for dollar, you get so much more out of Ryzen it feels almost like cheating. Then, we have folks that say "Intel is better for gaming." Well, I can absolutely see it. Intel still has the higher performance per core.

>The train stops here.

If you're interested in futureproofing, Ryzen is the way to go for gaming. I feel like Intel is more focused on technologies other than desktop processors, and it's really shown over the past few years. The old 'tick-tock' methodology seems to be falling to the wayside as a more 'tick-tock-tock-tock' method allows them to be more flexible with other projects.

Don't get me wrong; props to Intel for some of the newer non-processor related technologies they've brought to the table. We're even on the cusp of possibly integrating fiber optics into motherboards, and fiber WAN communications get faster every day. We can thank Intel and the groups they've inspired for that.

But to the topic at hand, Ryzen is how you futureproof your gaming. As games advance, we've seen a trend appear lately in that really good visuals don't seem to sell as well as they used to. Developers seem to already be going this direction, but it's my opinion that the industry will be shifting focus. The focus, then, being that details will become more relevant in the near future. We will most likely start seeing games with more pinpoint physics handling and low-level calculations becoming more and more complex as algorithms evolve. It's already been proven by Space Engineers - More cores are better than a few fast ones in this respect. While yes, Intel has the upper hand now, I feel that moving forward, having the raw horsepower of more cores available will be the way to go.

>>60962150
This looks like a PUA booklet.

>>60959858
>Ryzen has a high IPC in some benchmarks why doesn't this reflect in software that relies heavily on a single thread.

Always wondered this myself.

yeah i want to go amd
i fell in love with ECC ram, the extra stability is noticeable. and intel makes it confusing on what supports it

>>60962279
>But to the topic at hand, Ryzen is how you futureproof your gaming.
It's not even "now proof" for gaming, so how is this possible, and this just seems like what amd has been saying since bulldozer released. If I'm not mistaken isn't bulldozer still shit for gaming today?

>>60962046
Good goy.

>>60962420
Bulldozer isn't Zen, though.

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>>60939539
Gonna try installing Windows 2000 on this thing. If all goes well, I'll get back to AMD camp

>>60944920
jesus christ people can't have problems on a ryzen machine? are you braindead?
fucking hell this board is now pure cancer

>>60962420
>He is actually trying to compare Zen to Bulldozer
THE MADMAN IS ACTUALLY DOING IT

>>60962465
>Bulldozer isn't Zen, though
But the same rhetoric is still being thrown around.
>Futureproofing
>Bios updates
>Optimizations
>Future programming trends seem to favor amd
It's the same talking points all over again.

>>60962519
Bulldozer is not Zen. Fucking read some Agner dammit.

>>60962304

As unsurprisingly most software isn't tuned to feed ryzen the extra ops it can handle.

>>60962519
>BIOS updates
You're saying this like it isn't regular for new architectures to come to the market and have some problems.
Maybe you should have paid attention back in the early 2000s, when you'd get a new arch every year.

You want to know the secret as to why Intel don't do bios updates anymore?
I'll let you know.
They've been using literally the same arch for 12 years.

>>60962572
>12
P6 is much older, anon. Conroe is an iteration of Pentium M, which in itself is an iteration of Pentium 3.

>>60962572
All I'm saying is that I've heard/read all of these before in 2011 in other forums in posts made by and employees. It's just the same rehash of marketing made by and employees.

>>60962602
Ah yes.
Always forget the mental link to mobile and back.
So, 18 years then.
Ebyn.

>>60959858
>Ryzen has a high IPC in some benchmarks why doesn't this reflect in software that relies heavily on a single thread. Are the benchmarks wrong, or are the software anti-amd who are in Intel's pockets?

Wow someone else noticed this.

>>60962539
Read again
>>60962519
and neck yourself twice

>>60962636
That's a bold claim.
Try not to confuse actual technological development with hype developed by blind fanboyism.
Base your assumptions upon figures readily available and you won't be lost.
For months before Zen's release, basing my assumption on that AMD would actually hit their 40% target over Bulldozer, I estimated that single core performance would sit near Broadwell levels. Depending on clock. and look where Zen sits on single core performance levels (Depending on task and clocks again) you have a head. Inside it is a brain. Put it to use.


As per your comparison to bulldozer.
The only comparison that can be made between Bulldozer and Zen, is that they are both CPUs. And they both have AMD's name on it. The comparison ends there, for there is no more to be made.

Zen is far closer to an architecture one would recognise as something from Intel than from AMD. It is structured in such a way that the primary focus is on raw IPC. But has been built on an extremely efficient low power process, which may ultimately be harming it's IPC, but is giving it a huge edge in efficiency which opens up a much wider piece of the server market than would otherwise be accessible with just raw performance and core count.

>>60962704
Zen is not Bulldozer you moron. Go read some Agner ffs.
>>60962641
And now comes the hilarious part: they milked Core to death yet they have no pocket mobile arch to save them like Pentium M did.

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>>60944417
You keep telling yourself that.

We can sniff you normies out like dogshit. And lo and behold, you cracked under pressure and revealed yourself to indeed be a normie.

>>60962715
>process node
>harming IPC
You're no better than the other retard. Also Zen has Bulldozer-like branch predictor (uses perceptrons).

>>60962704
The only peeve you have with wording that has any validity at all, is
>>Futureproofing
You give developers more power to work with, and they're not going to optimise for it, just let the processor brute force the code into function. So to develop a product for the future is all null and void unless you have direct control on where that future may well be headed.

>Optimisation
>Bios updates

See (>>60962572)

>future programming trends favour AMD
See my initial paragraph. All AMD is doing is giving lazy devs more cores to brute force things with.

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WTF GUISE YOU LIED TO ME RYZEN IS CRAP
WHY DID I LISTEN TO THAT MEME BOARD AND BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF JUNK?
I REGRET IT EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY

>>60962759
>>process node
>>harming IPC
>You're no better than the other retard.
It's not entirely wrong.
If Zen had been fabbed on a node designed for higher clock speeds, then we would be seeing higher IPC.

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>>60962770

>>60962737
Reread
>>60962519
And neck yourself a third time

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>>60962782
>higher clocks increase instructions per CYCLE
Literally neck yourself friendo. And yes, GloFo has HP node in the pipeline.

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>>60962770
Effective speed on that site is literally retarded.

>>60962792
Go read some Agner you tech illiterate nigger.

>>60962816

Yeah single core performance is the only thing that matters and Ayymd get's annihilated. WTF GUISE I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!

>>60962759
>Also Zen has Bulldozer-like branch predictor (uses perceptrons).
And CPUz intentionally lower Ryzen's score because their branch prediction gives it an edge over Intel in that benchmark.
Doesn't seem like that's a bad thing.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-cpu-z-upgrade-lowers-ryzen-performance.html

Why do people have brand allegiance and have these ridiculous arguments about consumer products?

It's the same conversation over and over that never goes anywhere. What's the point? I don't get it.

>>60941032
literally 32gb optane cost 90euros here, i can buy 250gb ssd for that money.

>>60962760
The peeves are amd marketing is still bullshitting with the same bullshit.
Shaming "lazy devs" isn't going to make anything run better on amd now, or in the future.
>All AMD is doing is giving lazy devs more cores to brute force things with.
This is best case scenario, because "lazy devs" will probably add more threads, but it won't matter if their underlying code still hammers the main core to death.

AMDs go to blaming everything else which is a shame. Most devs aren't immune to this blame shifting.

>>60962824
Go away poojeet.
Reread that one post, and neck yourself a fourth time.

>>60962891
>me pajeet me want CPU makers to fuck Dennard scaling in the ass
>with magick
That's you.

>>60962923
>I am fucking retarded I compare Zen to Bulldozer please gouge my eye sockets
Okay. Now rope yourself.

>>60962924
AMD can't arma.

>>60962946
The rhetoric being used is the same you Moran.
Now reread that one post, and neck yourself a fifth time.

>>60962957
So arma devs want CPU makers to magically overcome Dennard scaling? Wew.

>>60962966
>he does it again
Good job schlomo. Have a shekel.

>>60962891
It's the same bullshit. With all the different reasons.

>>60962891
>The peeves are amd marketing is still bullshitting with the same bullshit.
And Intel's marketting is any better?

The only reason people put up with Intel, is that they know what they're getting when they buy their next processor. Literally the same processor but 2% faster at best with new memes attached.


Ultimately it is down to developers to write optimised code. They know what the processors can do, can't do, and how well they do. It is the developers choice whether or not to optimise their code for it.

If your car breaks down, it isn't the fault of the miners who dug the steel out of the ground. so the blame isn't theirs to shift. That goes both to Intel and AMD in this regards.

>>60962970
2600k can run this game why not amd?

>>60959999
AYYYYY NOICE

>>60959858
>Ryzen has a high IPC in some benchmarks why doesn't this reflect in software
FUCKING SHITELL KIKE FUCK YOU

>>60962988
>And Intel's marketting is any better?

I don't know. I don't see them here on /g/.
Their tv ads, billboards, and printads are cringeworthy though.

>>60962835
Can't tell if trolling or just retarded.

>>60962997
>40 fps vs 34 in anything not SP

Wow, better replace my 4ghz 4690 with a 2600!!!

How many people in this thread can legally state that they aren't shills for and, or Intel?

I am in America right now, and not involved with amd, or Intel in any way. I believe that amd ryzen CPUs is a shit.
What now Bois?

>>60963116
Get a 2600k and overclock it, and sell me your 4790k.

>>60962420

Trying to compare Zen to Bulldozer is like trying to compare an intelligent, inquisitive person to you

>>60963284
Sure thing pally!
Wow I can't wait for 6 more FPS!

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>>60957959
>i9

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>>60939675
Why is it on an expansion card?

>>60939539
Me probably. Forget about waiting for zen my next purchase will be all the elements of my rig I've been without a desktop for a decade now.

Time to change that.

Anyway yea Intel all Memes aside really fucked this shit up on their new generation. Unbelievably fucked it up. I guess it's been heading down the tubes since 5th generation but this is just total shit.
>having to delid on base clocks or you will overheat
>chips that cost up to 2k dollars

Yea fuck Intel I am done.

>>60963323
Nigger was comparing rhetoric used you dumb darker nigger.

Also I don't work for amd, or Intel. I think and CPUs are shit.

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>>60952639
Remember where Core came from. Intel was seriously in the shitter because of P4, then Core saved the day for an entire decade.

>>60962420

Let's take a moment and go back to my statements.

You say
>It's not even "now proof" for gaming

I said
>"Intel is better for gaming." Well, I can absolutely see it. Intel still has the higher performance per core.

However, to summarize, I also said that as the industry evolves and developers become either more clever or more complex with programming, the larger number of cores available on CPUs will start to make a larger impact on the market.

In short, I never said Ryzen was perfect. Intel is actually better at specifically gaming right now, because the way most games are programmed. I'm making a prediction that based on the path the industry is taking, gaming is going to shift, making CPUs similar to Ryzen the future of what game developers will be looking to take advantage of.

>>60963450
I don't work for Intel, or amd.
Ryzen cpus are not even "now proof" how can they be future proof?
AMDs stealth/guerilla marketing tactics disgust me, and I think amd ryzen cpus are shit Bois. Fight me if you disagree.

>>60949845
Saved. Fucking hilarious trip fags should be fucking gassed and gutted in the streets.

>>60949942
gonna hold out till Zen+

>>60963527
Honestly, I can't.

I think you're missing what I'm saying.

I'm saying that
>Ryzen-LIKE
CPUs are what the industry is heading towards. The best way to take advantage of that is to go ahead and jump into the pioneering stages.

>>60959858
>Ryzen has a high IPC in some benchmarks why doesn't this reflect in software that relies heavily on a single thread
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>>60949942

>>60963438
and now it's time for zen to do the same for AMD

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>>60962493
>That horrible PSU and cabling
>That case

>>60962636
Phone poster please kill yourself.

>>60955652
you whore! i totally didnt want to build another pc

>>60964801
Looks like a typical generic tower from the '90s. Stamped metal and power wires everywhere. I still have one or two up in the attic somewhere.

AMD CPUS ARE POO.
*I DO NOT RECEIVE ANY COMPENSATION FROM INTEL OR AMD*