/pcbg/ PC Building General - housefire edition

>>60936225
I'm trying to pick between Intel and AVX and going for a low-budget build that can scale well enough that I can make one build, prove it performs well, and then buy and build like 4 or 5 more
seems like the only multi-core option for intel that has avx2 is any of the 7th generation i5s while AMD has a massive gap and even then it's just "simulated" avx2

>>60936263
avx = meme

>>60936415
let me fall for the meme

How does this look?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/QHMKD8

>>60936415
Yeah, till you need it.
Everyone who owned a G3258 knows about it.

best way to get free win10?

>>60936546
Just download the Media Creation Tool and click activate later.

>>60936502
what is the cheapest shit that has avx2 right now

>>60936563
i3 7100 or Ryzen 1400. Obviously you can buy old shit like AMD FX or used Intel stuff but I would get the new ones.

>>60936546
Dreamspark.

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First attempt at a budget build around $800 usd

>>60936850
Is 2x4GB RAM still /g/ meta?

>>60936850
change the PSU to one that's semi-modular or fully modular.
I'd also spend a bit more on the motherboard.

>>60936850
sigh
fucking poorfags with their shitty builds

isn't the 1060 'overpriced' now, uh, cuck?

>>60936877
new meta is 4x8 m8

32gb ram or gtfo

>>60936940
I fucking hate faggots like you who act better than everybody

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZZsB6X

So I'm building around an AMD FX-9590 (I have a friend who is literally giving it away to me if I finally pull the trigger on building a gaming rig). I already have the samsung SSD, as I've been using it as an external (got it really cheap not too long ago). I also have the 3.0TB HDD sitting around, too.

This is what I threw together. Just had some questions if anyone's used the FX 9590 or has any dealings with them:

Assuming I don't intend to overclock it, will I be alright sticking with an air cooler? Any recommendations you guys have for this build?

>>60937034
I get it. 140 cpu all that. Don't do it. Pre Ryzen AMD is trash. Get Ryzen or intel. I don't even care which one. Just nothing FX ever.

Just baked a dead 7870 I had sitting in a box for over a year and it works lmfao

How should I go about selling it to some mining tard without any chance of repurcussion if it fails on them?

>>60937293
craiglist

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Mostly for media consumption (4chan) and home business, and older video games.
I want to raid 1 the hdds and store person documents, family photos, tv shows, and some video games like skyrim or warband.
What gpu could I snag for a windows hypervisor to play video games on my 5:4 vga monitor at 25 sold frames
I hear nvidia doesn't like hypervisors and all the amd cards are eaten up by crypto miners, so I'm asking here.
I plan to use an old amazon box as the case for a bit.
I'll be buying in a few months to replace an old c2d laptop.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C7Y77h

All I need is a gpu but the market has imploded. Kill me.

>>60937435
I feel your pain, man. The last of my parts that I've been ordering over the past 2 weeks just arrived.
Still can't find the GPU I want...

>>60937435
>>60937518
Time to just settle and grab a 1060.

>>60937518
>>60937435
Come home white man

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For general use, gaming, and creative software. Is this bad? Autism makes everything seem bad until after buying it and I haven't bought PC parts before.

>>60937550
You sincerely underestimate my stubborn autism. Being self-aware still isn't protecting me from the sunk cost fallacy.
I won't settle, but at this point I may as well save up a little more and grab the next step up. What are good brands of 1080? Or is a 1070 enough of an improvement over a 580?

>>60937610
Why the dedication to Amazon? You could probably shave off a good bit of money by shopping around more.

Might be a dumb question, but is there any reason not to buy a PSU with more wattage?

>>60937628
experience with them, return policy, amazon prime (that someone else pays for) I don't really care in the end though.

>>60934476
ur retarded if you can't infere that, to be frank.

>>60934268
Mult-game average, right? Seems pretty accurate. 8350 just below the stock 4770k and just below the point where it's not a bottleneck.
But on SOME GAMES you'll see worse than this, where it gets almost half the FPS that the GPU is capable even if it's just a mild bottleneck on average.

>>60935513
AMD, which you can't buy now because all are sold out.
B&H Video apparently has reasonable priced preorders that ship in 2-4 weeks.
Nvidia drivers don't work right with more than 4c/8t CPU.
Not a super powerful CPU, so I wouldn't get more than like a RX560 or MAYBE and RX570 (which I'm almost certain you'll bottleneck in most cases but can upgrade CPU later to make full use of it).

>>60937710
infer*

What should I expect from the 1050ti? I'm not trying to play AAA titles maxed out or anything

>>60937610
Squeeze in a SSD. It is worth it.

>>60937610
Why are you buying an extra wired network adapter? Don't want to use the one on your motherboard?

Any opinions on this mobo. It's for a lil simple build.

Looking to have an M.2 boot

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/H110M-E-M-2/

Seems cheap right now: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132871

>>60937833
THIS IS WHY I POST HERE thanks mate completely forgot that

How much ram should i buy and at what speed for a pretty good gaming system?

>>60936850
Do not pair a micro ATX MoBo with a mid tower. Either get an Atx MoBo or a smaller case.

>>60937914
2 x 8GB.
At least 2400mhz and up.

>>60937641
Power supplies are rated for a certain efficiency at 80% load. Under they can actually perform worse. Aside from that, you're really just paying for a lot of capacity that you'll not use.

>>60937612
MSI, Gigabyte/Aorus, EVGA, Asus, they're all good and will perform pretty similar. I like EVGA if only just for how good their warranty is.

How do i know what power supply i should buy, Should i overshoot the wattage calculators?
if so how much?
is there a difference between gold/platinum/ect?

>>60937034
Sorry anon, but i think you`'re better off selling it for $80 at craigslist, bet ryzen.

if not you might as well throw that DDR3 and Mobo money to the trash

>>60937610
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C7Y77h
get an SSD for your OS at least.

First time using this website how did I do ?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zXy77h
This will be mainly for gaming, streaming, stuff like that.

>>60938128
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zXy77h
If you're going to splurge like that get better memory, 2x8 ddr4 3200 or higher

>>60937610
get a usb wifi adapter

>>60938128
graphics card is to large for the case
cheaped out on ram
founders edition of that card may have heat problems especially in that case

>>60938128
What the other anons have said is true.
That monitor is also very expensive, I'd recommend something like these if you don't care about IPS enough to spend 400 extra dollars on it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BcTrxr/dell-monitor-s2716dg

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>>60938128
>$3K build
>ryzen cpu

Is 16GB of ram worth buying? it looks to be 30 USD more expensive then 8gb,

>>60938199
>owning an i9
don't you have a bull to prep?

>>60938128
>>60938171
The graphics card size is fine if you remove the drive cages according to the item description.
>>60938199
Ryzen is fine for this build. Stop trying to start CPUWars, faggot.

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>>60938199
>any build
>intel cpu

>>60938214
For a lowend build, 8GB is fine.
For anything at or higher than a 1070 (higher range) build, you should consider 16GB.

>>60938230
>>60938171
Any recommendations for the graphics card ?
>>60938182
Also thanks anon that 27" is perfect

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Should I even bother upgrading anything?
I'm pretty content with this low-mid tier build. I don't really play super demanding AAA games.

>>60938261
get asus version it can be $100 cheaper and i like their products.

>>60938261
1080 Ti seems to be a good card for your very expensive pricerange, but you should get an aftermarket card that doesn't have that blower cooler design, because they tend to have worse thermals.
I'd recommend something like these ones, which are also cheaper than the one you picked out:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z8cMnQ/asus-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-11gb-video-card-strix-gtx1080ti-o11g-gaming
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KBtWGX/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-11gb-ftw-gaming-icx-video-card-11g-p4-6696-kr
Both of these can fit in the case you picked out, but you'll have to remove some drive cages in the case.

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>>60936192
>Building
You ain't building shit. You're just assembling gayming shitputers from the cheapest chink shit you can buy with your mom's allowance.

>>60938289
no

>>60938289
looks fine for your needs, any upgrade you could make (besides storage) would probably be better used in just making a whole new build much later on with Ryzen and a more high range GPU and all that

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>>60938323

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>>60938323
(You)

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>>60938323

Can you guys help me find a motherboard.

I need an optical cable plug in for my Astro A40 mix amp though.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CXnrQV

Here is my build any suggestions are welcome too

>>60938329
Yeah, that i5 pretty much is my socket's cap (besides 3770)
Thinking about it, I'd need to get a new mobo + new CPU + ddr4 ram. Pretty much a whole new build

>>60938351
MSI Tomahawk Z270 has optical-out.
I know because I'm picking one up tomorrow so I can use my kickass Sony system.

>>60938351
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HzFM7h

>>60936192
Building my first desktop PC ever. I know nothing about desktops or pc building at all.

>purpose
I want to use GPU passthrough to be able to play modern games on Debian.
>Budget
I don't really know how much I should be spending, but I just want something that will be able to play new games at good quality for a few years. I don't want to spend over $1000.

So basically, what I need help with, is what parts should I be picking for doing GPU passthrough? I've tried installing debian before but apparently drivers are a clusterfuck, so I want parts that cooperate with Debian. So what motherboard, CPU, GPU's, etc should I be looking at? Can someone give me a quick rundown on GPU passthrough?

>>60938306
>>60938301
New part list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J84hwV
Thanks alot anons this is turning out pretty gud prolly change my case to be safe

>>60938351
just a suggestion, 16 GB of RAM is probably not necessary for that build, 8 will do you just fine and save you a bit. it's fine if you want 16 though.
that PSU is probably overkill in terms of wattage but the price seems alright, if you can find a cheaper 550W Gold+ though I think it'd be worth it. This one is cheap right now but it's only on sale on multiple fronts, otherwise it's around the same price as your 650:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1

>>60938412
*gonna change my case to be safe

>>60938412
>>60938427
Case seems to be fine (besides aesthetics, but that's subjective), just gotta take out the drive cages a bit to fit the GPU.
If you're looking for an alternative, this case is cheaper, can fit your GPU without modification and is also pretty low profile:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pP648d/nzxt-case-cas340wbb1
(Of course make sure it actually fits the desk or floorspace you're gonna put it)

>>60938412
explain your monitor choice, please
your build is pretty interesting

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>every country that sells a cryorig h7 under 40 charges through the nose for shipping
>no one sells them in the country
What's a cheap fan?

>>60938681
Just off the top of the head cause I don't know your country, Hyper 212 EVO and Hyper T2 are both pretty good and cheap.
I have a 212 Evo cooling my i5 6500 (I built it before Ryzen don't judge me) and it does an admirable job, only cost like 30 dollars iirc. IDK how that'll translate to you though.

Hi guys

I've just upgraded to a new RX 580 MSI gaming X

It was good for two weeks but then I began having crashes when playing video games for more than 20 minutes (computer went into static then restarted).

The temp never exceed 60 C when under heavy load and it passed furmark and Ungine Valley great. (I ran it for 2 hours using both).

What do you guys think? could it be the PSU? GPU?

my PSU is Seasonic 620 W
Im running a i5-2500k 3.3 GHZ


Did i just fall for the AMD meme?

appreciate the help all!!

>>60938895
If these problems only started with the new GPU you might have gotten a defective unit, your warranty should cover it.
If you send it back and get a new one but the problems persist then you'll have to diagnose from there.

>>60938959
>>60938895
Oh, if you want to definitley know if the 580 is the issue, try putting your old GPU back in your PC (or loan one if you don't have it) and try to recreate the problems

>>60938959
>>60938967
Got it, I would think so I guess, It did not happen with my previous GPU at all, so that's probably that. I was expecting that this could be solved by just reseating my RAM or sumthing haha

thanks for the reply!

>>60938406
Intel iGPU with an amd card is the easiest to work with when you're talking passthrough. Passthrough with nvidia is hell.

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how tight are these timings for 1333 DDR3? should i try to push for 6 CL?

frankenstein-ing together a computer out of old parts for a friend, tryin to get the best out of this pile of scrap

>>60939376
>Old parts
>Push
Yeah if you want the entire thing to never boot again

1440p/144hz monitor with Freesync (cheaper) or 1080p/144hz display with G-Sync?

I'm on GTX 1080

>>60939404
>1080
>Freesync
What?

>>60938406
Oh and preferably an amd card with the BIOS available online

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Question:
I currently run a m2 960 pro 512gb and still have one slot open for another m2 ssd on my board.
Do I have to go for another 960 pro or can I go with another brand with different read/write without issues?
Google didn't help.

>>60936468
it's good. personally i'd go for mobo with 4 ram slots and pick dual channel memory, but if you can't get that in australia for max. 15$ more then don't bother.

>>60937428
then come back in few months. ryzen 3 and new APUs should be out by then, which can pretty much change the whole build.

>>60937914
you should always pick ram with max. frequency supported by your mobo. just don't go over 3000-3200mhz since after that they start getting too expensive for marginally better performance.
so for h110, b150 get 2133mhz, b250 - 2400mhz, b350/z270 - 3000-3200mhz.

>>60938681
>>60938839
be quiet! pure rock is pretty much the same as cryorig h7. i wouldn't get hyper 212 evo since it tends to be loud under load and is a pain in the ass to install.

>>60939737
yeah you can go with different brand. it's just like with sata ssds.

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got a 1070, Ryzen 1600, New MSI mobo and ram coming in. Any particular order in which i should upgrade my system? i was thinking mobo and cpu first than gpu.

>>60939760
Fool. The PSU.

>>60939769
got a 520 antec thats maybe 3 years old. im sure its fine

>>60939760
Are you addicted to upgrading your build for no good reasoning?

>>60939836
nigga im on a 8320e and a r9 270. its time to upgrade

>>60939846
>got a 1070, Ryzen 1600, New MSI mobo and ram coming in

>>60936192

>tl;dr I'm looking for a Mobo+CPU combination + other little things.

Hi, I need some help with a new/upgrade budget gaming build.
Right now I'm using an old preassembled PC (an iMedia s3840) which has been upgraded some years ago: during the upgrade it was maxed out RAM (8 GB), changed the power supply with a VulTech GS-500W Pro, changed the external case and finally upgraded the video card to a GTX 760. The power supply failed months ago so it was changed with a Corsair VS650 (I know it's too much but it was the only one readily available in the store).

So the actual build is:
MOBO: H61H2-AD
CPU: Intel Core-i5 [email protected] Ghz
PowerSupply: Corsair VS650
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 760 2GB
RAM: 8 GB
1 HDD


My objective here is to upgrade the thing to a gaming build able to support 1080p / 60 FPS on pretty much everything. I do have a 144hz monitor but 144FPS is not an objective right now.
I thought about changing Mobo (either DDR3 or 4 compatibility is fine) and CPU and adding an SSD. I don't know if more RAM is needed, maybe a better CPU would reduce the bottleneck effect?
Lastly, after looking at how much a Mobo+CPU+SSD+RAM (eventually) would cost I can think about changing video card (I guess the 2GB VRAM is too less).

So I'm looking for:
MOBO: ???
CPU: ???
PowerSupply: Corsair VS650
VideoCard: PNY GeForce GTX 760 2GB (for now)
RAM: 8 GB (should upgrade to 16?)
1 SSD
1 HDD

Budget-wise I would prefer to stay under 1000$/€, possibily under 500$/€, but I can manage either way.

>>60940478
AMD B350 chipset motherboard and a Ryzen 5 1600 6 core CPU.
The 6 core 1600 is close in performance to the i7 7700k. But the 7700k's emphasis on single thread performance, which still can't be beat, makes it the go-to choice for 144 fps gaming. The 1600 comes close but can't match. This isn't a real problem though considering the $100 price gap between the 2 processors making the 1600 the choice for the best performance for your money.
The B350 chipset is the mid-range chipset for motherboards, so the good ones are generally $85-110. What makes the B350 special is that it can overclock, which makes it the cheapest motherboard chipset on the market capable of this. It is also capable of crossfiring 2 AMD graphics cards. If you want 2 nvidia cards in SLI, you need an X370 chipset for that, and prices for X370 boards pick up off the high end B350 boards.
So budget-wise, the 1600 and B350 is the go-to choice because it offers the best performance and capability for your money.

>>60940478
no point in staying on 1155 socket with ddr3 ram. just sell it and buy a new pc.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tXc77h
8gb is fine for 95% of the games. only a few AAA titles benefit from more than that, though you'll still be able to get 1080p60. also you can always easily upgrade in the future.
as for gpu, currently it's a bad time to buy them due to rising popularity of cryptocurrency mining. for your needs pick either rx 580 8gb or gtx 1060 6gb.
i don't know about that case from your prebuilt. you'll probably need a new one as well.

>>60940676
Also, forgot to mention. Single thread performance is the ONLY place where the 7700k beats the 1600. The 1600 monsters it everywhere else. The 1600's single thread performance and IPC isn't that bad either. At absolute most, it's 9% worse on IPC, while at best, it matches the Intel chips.
The real problem with Ryzen is it needs FAST ram to work really well due to the way the Zen architecture works. So yea. 2133 or 2400 mhz? Step that up to 3000 mhz or 3200 mhz. Some people have even gotten 3600 mhz working though those are few and far between.

>>60936942
i dont even use my 16 giggly bits

>>60940478
>So I'm looking for:
>MOBO: ???
A suitable AM4 mobo depending on your needs
>CPU: ???
Ryzen 1600.
>PowerSupply: Corsair VS650
It's shit. EVGA G2/G3 or Seasonic G series is what you want.
>VideoCard: PNY GeForce GTX 760 2GB (for now)
Decent enough, consider Vega/Volta upgrade later on.
>RAM: 8 GB (should upgrade to 16?)
Depends. If the only thing you're doing is gaming and only gaming, then 8GB. Otherwise 16GB all the way and most 2x8GB kits are better anyways.
>1 SSD
Samsung 850 EVO, PNY CS1311, SanDisk Ultra II and ADATA SU800 are the ones you should take a look at.
>1 HDD
Toshiba P300 1-3TB.

>Budget-wise I would prefer to stay under 1000$/€, possibily under 500$/€, but I can manage either way.
If you can manage then go for Ryzen. Alternatively you could wait until next year. Ryzen 2 will come in 2018, Vega/Volta custom cards will be available and RAM prices should drop back to normal again.
Don't ask me when all this will release, no one really knows, it comes down to whether you're willing to wait or want to buy now, both options are fine.

>>60940676
>>60940706
>>60940739
>>60940794

I thank you all for your kind advice. I see there's quite a consensus on an AMD CPU. As I never happened to use anything but Intel's, is there any difference I should be aware about (given I'm not used to fiddle with my hardware too much)?

>>60940828
Ryzen is currently very picky about which ram you use. The motherboard's website will include a QVL list of all ram kits they have tested and are confirmed to work. This doesn't mean a non-listed ram kit won't work. It likely will. but it MAY not run at the rated speed.
However, most of the issues with this have been fixed with the AGESA update. Just make sure your motherboard has the latest bios/UEFI revision.
A good rule of thumb is Corsair's Vengeance ram kits, and G.Skill's Fortis and Flare X ram kits. The Corsair kits have a great record of compatibility, while the G.Skill kits were designed FOR Ryzen. Again, the faster the speed of the ram, the better, because of how Ryzen works.

Budget about 350-400€ for cpu+mobo+DDR and or GPU, FHD mostly gaming: I can't decide should I buy used Sandy/ivy for 150-200€ and get a 980ti or just go all in and get r5 1600 set with a lesser GPU or just fuck money and get everything.

Last game I played was pillars of eternity on 6600k igpu.

>>60940828
>any difference I should be aware about
If you jump on AMD right now you're still kind of an early adopder aka beta tester.
Ryzen still has it's quirks but they are being worked on. For example RAM OC on Ryzen is an issue and you will most likely not reach the advertised speed.
With the AGESA update this issue should be resolved, finally. From what i've seen the update is available as beta BIOS and improvements are seen.
Imho this isn't too much of an issue and certainly isn't a deal breaker, Ryzen offers too good value.
Mobos also have their issues, but that's the manufacturers problem, not Ryzen/AMD's fault. Asus for example managed to brick boards with BIOS updates, MSI Tomahawk POSTs for ages and ASRock Taichi resets the fucking BIOS settings when BCLK OCing.
None of those issues cannot be resolved, at least none that i know of, so by time BIOS update will fix everything.
Personally i'm on the Asus X370 Prime + 1600 + G.Skill Ripjaws V. I did not OC yet because i had no time to do so but will do so in the future. Even without OC it was a huge upgrade comming from 1st gen i7.

>>60940890
>Budget about 350-400€ for cpu+mobo+DDR and or GPU
R5 1600 ca 220€
AM4 B350 ca 100€
16GB DDR4 ca 120€
This is blows your budget. Either spend more, get only 8GB or buy used. You won't get a R5 1600 build for that money.

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>>60940875
>G.Skill Fortis designed FOR Ryzen
>only goes up to 2400MHz

Is this a meme or what?

>>60940994
Not a meme. It was designed for basic entry level Ryzen builds. The Flare X kits are the faster kits.

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did i fuck myself?

>>60938041
>Power supplies are rated for a certain efficiency at 80% load. Under they can actually perform worse
80+ means that the PSU is at least 80% efficient, not that it's rated for efficiency at 80% load. The certification measures performance at 20%, 50% and 80% load. And PSUs are almost always the most efficient at around 50% load.

>>60938323
Enjoy this while it lasts child, you'll be back behind a desk raising your hand to go to the bathroom again soon.

>>60941047
>did i fuck myself?
Absolutely.

>>60941058
EE here, this is correct. Maximum power transfer takes place at 50% load. This is the point of highest efficiency for the device. That's why I almost always buy the highest wattage rated PSU I can, because my 500W worth of components will have a better match with a 1000W PSU than they would with a 650W PSU.

>>60941085
oh no

>>60941047
>unlocked CPU on a locked motherboard
>intel
yes.

>>60941099
im aware of that

but my main concern is whether or not i'll be safe in continuing to upgrade the gpu for 1080p/60fps without running into serious bottlenecks and having to upgrade the cpu and mobo as well

>>60941092
>That's why I almost always buy the highest wattage rated PSU I can, because my 500W worth of components will have a better match with a 1000W PSU than they would with a 650W PSU.
Unless you're stress testing them, your 500W worth of components will almost certainly draw closer to 300W than 500W on average.

>>60941151
You'll be fine at that, though the CPU itself will be a bottleneck at some point.
Should've gotten a Ryzen 1600

Hey /pcbg/, I'm planning to buy a new PC later this year was wondering what you guys thought I could get for my current build.

I bought this in 2014, somewhere around there. Hoping to maybe get really lucky and get around 500$ if I sell it as a "Mid-Range Gaming PC" rather than selling the individual parts.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GwxjD8

>>60941187
>I bought this in 2014, somewhere around there
>Skylake wasn't out until Q3 2015

>>60941092
>Maximum power transfer takes place at 50% load.
That's because the modern switched-mode power supply is more like an audio amplifier than a traditional "sagging" power supply.

>>60941208
Close enough, I have a bad memory.

Is it cucked to buy a Freesync monitor if you have an Nvdia card?

Building VR-Capable PC that will also be used for Ethereum mining. Any tips on what components are essential? I'm on free electricity.

>>60941187
>I'm planning to buy a new PC later this year
Why though? You PC should be good enough for 1080p. I'd only upgrade if you plan on something serious like highest Vega + R7 1700 for 1440p or 4K.
Anyways, you shouldn't have trouble selling the PC as is but don't expect to get a large amount of money back either, Ryzen shits all over the 6500.

>>60941217
Actually the 50% load has nothing at all to do with whether it's switching or linear. It's basic EM physics for impedance matching. What type of source you have doesn't play into it beyond the source's impedance and the load's impedance.

All switching power supplies get you is vastly improved efficiency because instead of staying on all the time and burning off excess power as heat, they just turn off completely. The tradeoff is more noise in the system because switching signals on and off produces a lot of noise, but that shit doesn't even matter with computers because they're digital anyways.

>>60941248
Yeah, I'm going 4K. Ballpark, how much do you think I could get? Thanks!

>>60941241
only if you never plan to buy an AMD card. Freesync only works with AMD cards.
For nvidia cards, you want G-sync, which requires a momre expensive monitor. nvidia has to jew you some way.

>>60936546
Download the trial; never activate.

>>60941286
>G-sync
I will never ever not ever be able to drop $500-600 on a monitor. One dead pixel and it's fucking over.

>>60940963
Yeah, I'm a deal hawk so I've set the buy limits to about 160-180€ for 1600, 75-100€ mobo and 50-130€ for ram (8-16GB, Samsung b-die or bust).

I think I would've bought Sandy/Ivy + RX 470/570 (freesync monitor) but the damn eth miners ruined it.

>>60941272
>Ballpark
What?
>how much do you think I could get?
No idea. I'm from Germany and prices, epsecially on used stuff are vastly different here. My guess is $600 but don't quote me on that.
FYI: i just sold an old i7 870 system with a RX470 for 450€, maybe it helps.

>>60941503
I highly doubt you will get this in EU, in US probably, but not in EU.
On Mindfactory.de a brand new but broken seal R5 1600 costs 199€ and that's already very cheap.
75-100€ for a B350 mobo shouldn't be a problem at all, there are many good options for 100€.
You can easily get 8-16GB RAM for 50-130€ but forget about b-die. That starts way above 130€ and the chance for it to go on sale is zero to none.
Imho you should go for Corsair LPX or G.Skill Ripjaws V anyways, both offer significantly higher value and AGESA update should fix all issues. I think it will go official next month, it's already in beta.

>>60941623
>What?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ballpark

>My guess is $600 but don't quote me on that.
FYI: i just sold an old i7 870 system with a RX470 for 450€, maybe it helps.

Okay, thank you!

>>60938412
Those speakers are surely garbage, save up for some powered monitors like JBL LSR305.
And get a 7200 rpm hdd.

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>>60940478
>>60940676
>>60940706
>>60940739
>>60940794
>>60940875

There's an SSD too in the build but I cropped it from the picture.

After fiddling around with what I can find right now and whatnot this is the final build I can make out. You'll remember the GPU and the power supply are what I already have and I'm going to scavenge from the old PC.

Acceptable?
Only doubt I have is the RAM (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R), which I can't find on the mobo compatibility list.

Hey guys I've got a Bitfenix Neos which I dislike and I want to get a better case that's not too expensive. I want the case to have better cooling options and be wide enough to support my 212 evo without pushing against the side panel. Any suggestions? I love the define r5 but that bitch is expensive.

>>60942390
Looks good. Even if it isn't on the list, Corsair Vengeance itself has a good track record with Ryzen. It may not run at the full 3200 mhz, but it will eventually if you keep up with Bios updates

>>60942595
Define C is newer and $20 less.

>>60942793
thank you so much

>>60942642
Thanks!

>>60942793
and also uglier than your aunt. I'm sick of the Fractal Design shilling. I'm not who you're replying to but holy shit does the brushed plastic make every Fractal look cheap. The only things that can pull off the brushed look are things made from stainless steel like the DeLorean DMC-12.
Not only that but Fractal cases in general look like some ugly reject from the 1990's that we all used to shove in a PC cabinet so we didn't have to look at it.
Case design has gotten louder because people would rather have an artistic looking centerpiece they can show off rather than a hideous cheap plastic box they hide in a dungeon because it's hideous.
Stop.
Pushing.
This.
Meme.

>>60942878
:^)

>>60942878
>Corsair 200r owner.
Shouldnt assume everyone has the same tsate as you anon. I prefer a clean look myself.

Shall I buy? (for rendering)

CPU: Intel i7-6950X
Graphics Cards: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Ti AORUS Xtreme Edition 11G
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage V Edition 10
RAM: 64 GB DDR4-3200
Storage 1: 2TB Samsung 960 Pro M.2 SSD
Power Supply: Seasonic Prime 850W Titanium
CPU Cooler: Corsair H115i
Case: Enthoo Luxe Glass or be quiet! Pro 900

>>60943011
There's a difference between clean and cheap.
If a clean case is what you want, a Rosewill FBM-01 will do. It looks cheap because it is cheap.
If you want clean looks and something that doesn't look cheap, there's the NZXT H440

>>60943056
no. Wait for Threadripper. It'll outperform it for less money.

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>>60943056
Rendering what?
If video then you can get similar performances for massively cheaper

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Is it possible to physically break a PCIe lane?

>>60943089
when is out? Summer is already here

>>60936546
Pirate Win 7, use Media Creation Tool

The upgrade is still free

>>60943115
3ds Max /Vray

>>60943128
sure-did your drill slip?

>>60943134
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=threadripper+release

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>>60943151
Then yeah you'd be wasting a lots of money by going Intel at the time being.

>>60943196
look what google turned out!
Alienware confirm AMD's Ryzen Threadripper will launch by July 27 ...
Amazing!

>>60943177
my screwdriver did and since then one of my six hard drives isn't working

>>60943244
That's for a pre-built with one. Launch of the chips will be sooner than that

>>60941671
There more you know, i guess.

>>60942390
Don't scavange, sell the PC as is and buy new. The Corsair VS is utter garbage and do yourself and do not OC with that firehazard.
While a 760 is fine it's reference which sucks. You can have better things for not much money if you sell it now.
The RAM will run regardless, but at lower speeds, at least at 2133. Most manage to run RAM at 2667 and imo that doesn't matter because the pending AGESA update.
The mobo you've chosen is half decent,the ASRock Pro4 mATX is a decent alternative and i believe a little cheaper. Sound should suck on both if that matters. Only 2-3 B350 mobos have good sound with ALC1220.

Have there been improvements to the ITX cases around?
Did they stop being in style? I don't see many builds with them now.

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I bought this pc for 1000 euros back in 2015

Do you think something needs an upgrade?I will probably change the HDD because i have this one for like 7 years

What kind of good, portrait view monitor do you guys recommend? Has to be at least 1080p

>>60943391
JUST TURN THE FUCKING MONITOR SIDEWAYS

I'm building a pc to stream shit to Twitch. No gaming or editing will be done on this system.

Which should I choose:
>Ryzen 1600 + shit gpu
>Ryzen 1700 + shit gpu
>i5 7600k + no gpu
>i7 7700k + no gpu

Will the more expensive processors offer a noticeable performance increase for streaming or can I get away with saving a few bucks and going with Ryzen 1600/i5 7600k?

>>60943424
You don't need a great system to stream non-games
I'd say go for 1600 + shit GPU but make sure the shit GPU you'll get isn't old enough not to support 1080p

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tNPNwV

How's this? Not sure if this is overkill for my needs, but should be good bang for buck according to internet. Becomes 1271,90 eurodollars in local shoppe with shipping.

I have a newish (3 years?) cooler master i'm salvaging from my ~8-9 year old pc along with peripherals and ssds and stuff.

Looking forward to buying more monitors for multimonitor coding purposes.

>>60943424
The Ryzen 5 1600 is better for streaming than both the 7600k and the 7700k because it has 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads. The Ryzen 1700 is even better.

1600 + shit GPU.

>>60943492
>i5
No.

I'm trying to find something similar to a j1900 used but the j1900 used prices are similar to a brand new g4560 so, what could I look for?

>>60943424
>no GPU

ge the 1600 plus a shit GPU. the 1700 is more for rendering and heavy-ish video editing, so robably overkill for your intended use.
Is the RX 560 shit for you? That would be great for everyday use.

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thoughts on this build? improvements?
mainly gaming with as high an fps as possible

>>60943486
To clarify, I'll be streaming games but the gaming will be done on a different machine, so no graphics processing to be done on this one. This is the same as just streaming video right? No gpu needed other than to make the Ryzen boot and output to monitor?

If Ryzen 1600 + gpu would cost the same as i7 then would it be better to go i7? Or still stick with Ryzen because cores and shit?

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>>60943492
The 7600k is a shit CPU, it has only four cores and four threads, and overclock doesn't solve that. It's meh at gaming compared at offers but most importantly, it's massively inferior at anything multithreaded than the 6 cores 12 threads R5 1600. Coding usually is because compilation is very easily parallelized, and even if it's interpreted language you're working withs the extra threads and cores are massively better for multitasking purposes
Having that said, you certainly do not need a $220 CPU to code so you might wanna get a cheaper CPU like an R5 1500x or g4560 if you're not doing any compilation

>>60943492
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tNPNwV
>i5
>$200 MoBo

Read the OP
there is NO reason to get an i5 right now.

Go with the Ryzen 1600 if you want to equal the budget of your i5 or bump up to R7 1700 for excellent multicore performance.

Pair it with a decent (around $120) AB350 MoBo and you´re golden. you don´t even need an extra cooler, since teh stock one for ryzen is comparable to a 212EVO

$280. Worth it?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236785&ignorebbr=1

>>60943499
>>60943534
cheers m8s

what's the jankiest, shittest GPU I can get away with?
Like I said I won't be using this for anything other than streaming to Twitch for now, although I might drop in a good gpu somewhere down the line to upgrade

>>60943377
>Do you think something needs an upgrade?I
Do you feel like you need an upgrade? Can you still run all the games and programs you want? Do you want an upgrade to 1440p?
If you can't find a reason to upgrade then don't, unless you really want to spend money.
>1000€
>on a FX-8350
>in 2015
You got cuck'd m8.

>>60943547
Looks solid, but do you really need a 500GB SSD? Also no HDD? I'd throw a 1TB Toshiba P300 in there.
You don't need a platinum PSU, gold will be enough. Check the EVGA G3, costs probably half and offers almost platinum efficiency.
Now, the mobo tells me you want a budget build while you want a 1080Ti. Imho you should go for a much better ATX mobo with better VRM, sound and general features.
If you want to OC you should also buy an aftermarket cooler. The Wraith Sphire is nice but not really that great for OC.

>>60943655
Apart from the old HDD,everything looks fine to me

Thanks for the response

>>60943645
>what's the jankiest, shittest GPU I can get away with?
brand new?
nvidia GTX 1050Ti
AMD Radeon RX 560

>>60943677
He isn't doing any gaming, he can go much lower than that.

>>60943655
>Looks solid, but do you really need a 500GB SSD? Also no HDD? I'd throw a 1TB Toshiba P300 in there.
The 500GB version isn't that much more than the 250GB one so I figure while I'm in the market for an SSD I might as well get a big one. I already have a 1TB HDD.
>You don't need a platinum PSU, gold will be enough. Check the EVGA G3, costs probably half and offers almost platinum efficiency.
The G3 is barely cheaper than the P2.
>Now, the mobo tells me you want a budget build while you want a 1080Ti. Imho you should go for a much better ATX mobo with better VRM, sound and general features.
But I don't want an ATX build. Is mATX reserved for budget PCs? I don't plan on getting a shitload of HDDs or multiple GPUs so I don't see a reason to have an ATX build.

>>60943645
>>60943677
>>60943699

check broadcasting with two pcs on twitch

R7 1700
B350
corsair ddr4 3000
sandisk 240 ssd
1070 / 460
evga supernova g2 gold

gpu still needs to be decent enough to hold

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>>60943699
How low can I go?

>>60943728
If you don't mind the additional costs it's fine.
>Is mATX reserved for budget PCs?
Yes, kind of. While Z270 offers mobos like the Asus STRIX Z270G those options are not really there for AM4. The Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 is probably the best choice for mATX but compared to ATX it's still a midrange/budget option.
The ASRock board you've chosen isn't bad but it's a budget option and lacks features that other (ATX) mobos have. It comes down to your choice.
>I don't plan on getting a shitload of HDDs or multiple GPUs so I don't see a reason to have an ATX build
Then B350 is what you want but do you want good sound, VRM and some additional features like fan headers, too? Then you may want to look at ATX options.

>>60943578

7600k isn't THAT bad, it's still somewhat of a ref on the gaymen rig that the 1600x aims

multi-threaded processes is still way overrated for gaymen and multi-tasking... not sure you'd get that much of a difference from a 1600x for the average user.

Game support is higher and it's a safer choice, many shilled comparisons 1600x vs 7600k float around but on a regular reference standard build you can't go wrong with a 7600k because strong 4 core perf is more than necessary for gaymen

>>60943645
the lowest but servicable ones are:
GTX 130
RX 550

Relativey cheap and work fine and can even into esports

>>60943887
sure, it isn´t that bad NOW.
but you ca bet that all new games and programs are starting to be optimized for multi core-multi threaded CPUs.
so In the long run,Ryzen is MUCH better.

>>60943885
guess his only option is to go intel :^)

>>60943921
Didn't they say this about bulldozer

>>60943887
i5 is choking in the newer games which causes stutters

>>60943887
>because strong 4 core perf is more than necessary for gaymen
Yeah, if your goal is to get FPS dips and enormously high CPU usage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

The 7600k doesn't have strong 4 core by any means. The 7700k does have strong 4 cores, but the 7600k doesn't. It's 4 threads cripples it way too much to be worth. If it had HT then it'd be worth, but that's pretty much what a 7700 is (except that it's locked)

It's not safer by any mean. There's already a bunch of game that shit the bed with 100% usage spikes on it, and it can only get worse. Witcher 3 does it, GTA V does it, Battlefield 1, etc etc.

You can gamble and think "nah it won't be that much worse!" or you can get the objectively more powerful CPU and not have to worry about it.

>>60943377
>$1000
>2015
>You got scammed

Other than that, it´s fine and if you don´t notice slowdown on your usual tasks, there´s noreason to upgrade. I would personally wait till Zen+. Ryzen is great and will only become better as time goes by. wait untill you actually need it.

>>60943921

Ryzen has higher throughput than kabylake for anything higher than AVX2 anyway so anything that is tuned to for ryzen (not inherently to the exclusion of skylake mind) is going to be faster on ryzen even with the typical clock defecit.

>>60943951

They did. Bulldozer though has major resource contention issues which kills throughput when slammed. It really is (well, was) a server focused architecture scaled down to the desktop. The opterons were actually pretty good chips.

>>60943594
>>60943578

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RddYKZ
then

>>60943921

You might be overestimating dev support on intel besides gpu perf is more important and it's not as if suddenly games are meant to require 16 freaking threads for optimum performance, usually the gaymen cpu is 1600x/1700 or 7600k/7700k

>>60943965

that's 'cause it's clocked out of the box to oblivion with no head room, devs usually work on the top line i7 as a reference

>>60943992
Pretty good.

I would personally go with a mATX mobo and case for streaming, but hey that´s just personal preference.

Also , remember to check the MoBo´s QVL Memory support list to se if tyour ram is compatible at that requency.

>>60944037
yeah, i was checking it after pasting and it's not. Will have to check around. Most of these part catalogues don't seem to support filtering by ram frequency support

>>60943992
>>60943751

totally built this from my post

just throw in a basic 256gb ssd then you got your streaming machine set

also change the psu to EVGA GS 650W 80+, much better rebranded seasonic

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Is there a motherboard guide for all Intel and AMD boards?
Or a current PSU guide? Half of the PSUs here aren't even available anymore

>>60944180
no, since AMD and Intel are still releasing shit.

Ok, so before I finalize anything with buying computer parts...

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157769&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233852&ignorebbr=1
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113435&ignorebbr=1

Are there any compatibility issues between these, and are they up to date enough where I won't have to worry about replacements for a while?

I really need to stop talking to people about what I'm doing when upgrading and making me doubt this stuff.

Why isn't the 1400 in the OP?

It's 30+€ less expensive than the 1500x. When money matters I think it's a pretty good deal. I've seen a bunch of benchmarks of the 1400 and it's a pretty good and capable chip, especially at 1080/60. The cooler isn't even as bad as people say (there's a video test out there comparing AMD coolers if you don't believe me).

>>60944268
And partially related, is a Radeon R9 390 graphics card still alright for casual gaming, or should I be looking into updating that soon-ish?

>>60944390
It's about on par with the 480, so it should be fine at least until next gen.

>>60943631
>https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236785&ignorebbr=1

well. only if you have the NVidia GPU to power it, and if the response time is less than 5ms
>>60944268
>>60944390
it looks fine. But you might consider getting a AB350 MoBo instead. Unless you plan on doing SLI/Crossfire. check the boards QVL memory support list before pulling the trigger.

the 390 is great for casual gaming, and there isnpt anything on the market at the same price that really makes it obsolete.

>>60944180

That infograph is misleading, seasonic all the way or superflower (evga supernova), rest are just rebrands

Mobo Asus all the way, preferably non-gaymen signature/prime or ASrock on a budget just make sure the NIC is Intel

>>60944465
>>60944474
Well thats good to hear at least. PCPartPicker didn't have any issues listed to those parts plus my current graphics card either, so I think it's good.

I'll definetly take a look at-

>look up AB350 motherboard
>currently has a combo deal with a Ryzen 5 and Fatal1ty saving $60 off what I was already planning to pay

Well, I certainly won't complain about that. Checking the the supports....

>Supports AMD Socket AM4 A-Series APUs (Bristol Ridge) and Ryzen Series CPUs (Summit Ridge)
>Supports DDR4 3200+ (OC) (Ryzen CPU) / 2400 (A-series APU)

Does that mean the RAM...
>CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000
is fine with it, or does the DD4 3000/Supports DD4 3200+ mean I need to get something else?

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Does anyone know the ryzen3 specs?
Or when will they be announced?

>>60944628
Disable SMT on the Ryzen 5 1400 and you'll have your answer

>>60944333
people seem convinced that the cache and cooler are a huge deal. The cooler is fine and the cache doesn't matter in games much with a mid range card. you won't be pairing a 1080 with a 1400 anyway. I think a 1400 and 1050ti is a good sub $300 combo for 1080p/60fps at high settings.

>>60944591
Or should I assume the "supports DD4 3200+" means a DD4 3000 isn't compatible with it?

I should mention I'm dumb when it comes to computer parts, so just wanna make sure everything';s good before I spend the money on it.

>>60944180
>Is there a motherboard guide for all Intel and AMD boards?
>Or a current PSU guide? Half of the PSUs here aren't even available anymore
Everything's outdated, better ask here or search yourself.

>>60944333
When money matters, yes. The thing with the 1400 is that it doesn't come with the Wraith Sphire, it comes with the Wraith Stealth which is equivalent to the Intel piece of shit stock cooler.
According to reviews it also seems to have some OC issues, especially with RAM. I don't remember who but some reviewers mentioned to have problems with it.
My guess is that it's binned worse. Personally i'd go for the 1500X regardless because the Wraith Sphire allows for a moderate OC while the Stealth does not.

>>60944591
>>60944687
it's fine

>>60944713
Alright then.

Actually did a quick google check (which I should have done in the first place I guess) and found it doesn't really matter....buut a 3200 only costs like..$10 more, so I might as well just get the 3200 anyways.

Welp, got my stuff in place and saved $50, so I still call this time well spent. Thanks for the assistance.

What's the difference between SMT and HT?

>>60944790
SMT is better.

>>60944747

Always check QVL

>>60944804

You're an idiot.

>>60944790

Hyperthreading is just Intel's marketing name for their specific implementation of the SMT concept. IBM's SMT on their latest and greatest scales up to 8-way (i.e 8 threads per core).

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>>60936192
Did I fuck up anywhere?

Eastern Europe

Mainly for Graphic Design+ After Effects, Cinema 4d, Blender etc.
No money for Vega, Pro Duos or Quadros but I might upgrade the GPU in ~2 years if I feel the need to.

I don't game much though I do enjoy the occassional single player games and I think this can handle it alright at this point.

~1000 $, I think it's ok for EU prices honestly
*PSU isn't this one, it's Corsair Vengeance 650m, but it's not on the site for some reason. (got 9.9 on jonnyguru so I consider it good.)

>>60944823
Intel has announced CPU with circa 200 threads per circa 20 cores (kinda for virtualization). Do not know if it was released finally.

>>60944841
You're going to have a hard time getting AMD cards lately. And if you do, it'll be at insane markup due to crypto miners. A 1060 is probably your best bet (6GB of course)

>>60944862

That will most likely be a co-processor and not something that one would consider plug and play.

>>60944841

If you don/t want to go dicking about in your bios check if that ram is on the QVL.

Should I wait for zen2 and navi ?

Im currently running i5 4460 and r9 280x

>>60944862
>Intel has announced CPU with circa 200 threads per circa 20 cores
When did they do that? Got any links?

>>60944892
Can't answer this for you. Is your PC already doing everything you want it to do? Keep it. Do you want to do more things than you currently do? Swap.

There's no "waiting" when it comes to building a PC, unless it's a month or two or something, but other than that, just buy whatever is best at the moment.

>>60944902
I'll try
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10401/intel-launches-4s-and-8s-broadwellex-xeons-e74800-v4-and-e78800-v4-families-up-to-24-cores

>>60944876
I actually have all the components already (except still waiting for the PSU in the mail). Got the RX570 close to launch for~ 200$. Was looking for a 580 but that was a pretty good deal so I went for it.

>>60944879
It is. I checked before buying! I actually got the RAM first and had the chance to change the mobo but went for it in the end cause I didn't find any others that supported that RAM yet.

>>60944925
Shiiiiiiiet I fucked up, 384 threads is for 8 socket configurations.

Sorry.

>>60944841
forgot to add I'll be using a 2.5inch HDD WD Scorpio Black 7200 from my old laptop. It's a new(ish) hdd though so I thought it won't be a bad idea to get some extra mileage out of it.

I'll most likely get some SATA 3 SSDs or 3.5 inch HDDs later on.

>>60944841
>>60944931

noctua dh14 or 15
noctua/corsair fans sp120 high perf
asus b350
nice memory and gfx
skip nvme and older ones (sm951), only 950/960 are relevant but high price
850 pro 256gb instead
anything hgst/wd hdd
add a sound card xonar dx offload sound but yeah on the pricing it's all good, you can modify this for a couple hundred. storage

>>60945049
shitpost

When are the 580's restocking? This is total shit waiting for computex to be told to wait til the end of summer for Vega and the entire 500 inventory dissppears overnight.

>>60945049
>skip nvme and older ones (sm951), only 950/960 are relevant but high price
>850 pro 256gb instead

the SSD I listed is the 960 evo predecessor and has much better specs than 850 pro
see here:
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-PM961-NVMe-PCIe-M2-256GB-vs-Samsung-850-Pro-256GB/m174249vs2385

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dXcFLD

Any thoughts on this? Looking to play at 1080p/60FPS+.

Wanted some headroom in the future if I decide to buy up a tier in GPU, so using a bit higher rated PSU than usual.

>>60945080
imagine gaming on a 2009 pentium until 2017 and when you finally want to upgrade there are no gpus in stock

>>60936192
Purpose: 1080p gaming minimum, 3ds max, unreal engine, Unity3D

Current build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CzLB6X

I want to get a 1070, but which one to get:? I want the best bang for my buck

>>60945071

'cause eastern europe? if not noctua just get a non-meme water cooler like be quiet, 850 pro is under a 100 and the sound card imo better if you're working on workstation board unless external dac but it's a 100

define s over s340 also

>>60945141

those tend to overheat alot esp. the offlabel ones just check first that was an issue prior to 960pro but it's your call. the 850s have a 10 year warranty.

the reference is usually intel 750 but high price

I'd rather get 2x 850 pros and raid them

>>60945173

be quiet cooler/noctua
find a 1070 at the updated price of 350, the 1070 will go much further avoid 1060
evga GS 650w gold instead

>>60945299

I don't have a PSU listed cause I'[m gonna re-use the kilowatt supply that I'm running for my current AMD build.

>>60945313

asus turbo/evga sc

>>60945328
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814487265

is this worthwhile? I don't want to break $500 on my GPU, not until I have a better paying job than walmart

>>60945389

ITT price is really low and worthwhile on these

Gigabyte 1070 Windforce
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Armor OC

>>60945306
you know ryzen comes with a stock cooler right? no reason to spend 80$ on a noctua cooler for that extra 0.2GHz over the stock

>>60945443

i was told to stay away from gigabyte

>>60945491
For GPUs, they're meh. Nothing is better for motherboards.

>>60945491
I was told to stay away from biostar
I don't know why

>>60945444

yeah you have a point

>>60945389

the official price drop is at $350 on a 1070 but it's not the reality, coin miners are shooting up prices. try the second hand market for a 980 ti (not 980) but don't go less than a 1070

you can also strategize on getting an evga sc when you're really close to the official launch and release of the next gen within the month and then return it in their step up program and pay(?) the difference so you can guarantee a next gen card when released

>>60945491

nvidia
evga(prior to ftw flaming)/asus/msi, not sure on reference

>>60944747
Actually, last dumb question.

Is a 750W psu still good to run all this? Or is it mostly the graphics card that needs the big power?

What's a good out of the box gaming computer guys? Building one is a pain in the fuck and i have surplus cash.

Not looking for some top of the line machine, but something powerful.

Think, I want to play Wow on max settings.

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How long would a msi 1080ti Gaming last me at 1440p gaming? I'd have 16GB of RAM, and an i5 4670 @ 3.4 GHz to accompany it.

>>60945618
>What's a good out of the box gaming computer guys?
There pretty much aren't any. Everything is either overpriced, has housefire-tier parts(most notably the MOBO and PSU) or most often both.

>>60945640
dumb question. who knows? at least few years for sure, then you'll probably have to drop some settings in aaa games.
also that i5 might be a bottleneck.

>>60945618
http://www.microcenter.com/product/476874/Gamer_Master_GMA1200M_Desktop_Computer

Would a 1070 suffice in hitting 1080p120 on max or close to max settings for current games?

>>60943992
>UK Cost
>£946

JUST

>>60945600

750 is too much, just 650 max and get seasonic x650 or evga gs or anything supernova. gold and modular, or titanium

>>60945640

1080ti max 1440p all the way even at stable 144hz

>>60945618

look into cyberpower pc and just getting a kit of ddr4 over the 8gb along the way, something like S256T

>>60945705

1080 rather, 1070 would cap 75-100 stable

>>60945687
How easy is it to change a CPU? Never had to do it anymore.

>>60945817
>750 is too much, just 650 max and get seasonic x650 or evga gs or anything supernova. gold and modular, or titanium

It's weird, because I had a 650 originally, but it wasn't enough and my system was nearly burning itself out trying to draw more power than the supply could manage.

It wad a 650 bronze I believe though, so that may have been the issue.

>>60945861

Physically? Very easy. Its the software side of things that is a pain in the balls as generally you'll want to reinstall your OS. Win10 compared to previous versions is more forgiving for cpu/motherboard swaps but it is still good practice. Not too sure how Linux handles it this day and ange but I imagine anything that have been specifically compiled for your exist hardware will need a reinstall.

is there any way i can get more aura effects for the strix rx 480?

Are custom loops a meme?

>>60946787

Not when they are practically mandatory for Intel X299 chips.

A water cooling loop is expensive though for slightly higher air cooling performance.

>>60946263
Alright, sounds good. Thanks man.

How is this looking ? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z7ffZ8
Also two questions.
Is a liquid cooler worth it and Is a 1800x too much ?

>>60946868
Yes, the 1800x is overkill. For $170 less you can get an R7 1700 and overclock it for 2 - 3% lower performance.
Liquid Coolers are much less cost efficient than air coolers, as they are only within a few degrees cooler yet cost much more.
What are you doing with your PC that requires 8 cores?

So my ud4h mobo just died today... pc won't boot, psu seems to be fine though.

Any recommendations for a good z97 mobo? I'm torn between the asrock z97 fatali1ty or the asus z97-a. Running on an i7 4790k and 1080.

Is siliconlottery a meme? The prices don't seem bad, in fact their 3.9ghz 1700 is exactly the price of the 1700 on amazon.

>>60946907
Well, It's gonna be for gaming, streaming and stuff like that so I went with that CPU, but I'm still mixed up I might change to an Intel.

>>60946993
i don't think they include the stock cooler. also they offer only 1 month of warranty

>>60946993

Check their methodology. They only stress test for an hour on top end boards with some fairly impressive cooling.

>>60947047
>>60947053
shame. seems like it could be a pretty cool business model.

>>60947013
>I might change to an Intel.
Since you're streaming, don't. You'd get noticeably worse performance and shit stream quality with lots of stutters.

>>60946993
It's not a meme, but if you're buying through amazon it's possible to randomly get either one that overclocks better or one that overclocks worse. With silicon lottery, you're getting what is shown and nothing more.

>>60947047
They do:
>AMD 1700 @ 3.9GHz Boxed Processor with Heatsink

>>60946868
>>60947013
for 1440p and streaming/gaming ryzen is a better choice.
go with r7 1700 and cheaper cooler (or just use stock).
you could also get b350 motherboard and save some money on the psu (it won't use more than 400W anyway)

i would put that money towards a better monitor with IPS display like Asus PG279Q ROG Swift.

>>60947069
Do you think it's possible to jew amazon by ordering a CPU, overclocking it, and if it's not "good enough", return it?

>>60946868
>Is a liquid cooler worth it and Is a 1800x too much ?
No and yes.
AIO's are way too expensive for what they do and most are also loud due to bad fans and water pumps. High-end air coolers such as Noctua NH-D15 or Thermalright Silver Arrow compete with AIOs and produce much less noise.
The 1800X is probably the only AM4 CPU that's noticeably higher binned, but unless you really want the last 100-200MHz you should get a 1700 and OC it. Most 1700's can be OC'd to equal the 1700X, that's incredible value.

Here's what i'd go for with your 2.5k budget: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cm8kr7

CPU and HSF as mentioned above, invested the saved money into 3200 CL14 b-die RAM that fits your black/white meme build, upgraded HDD and PSU and got your a real case, not that plastic toy one.
Also added fans, you should always have at least 1 exhaust and 2 intake for good airflow. Pure Wings 2 are rather quiet and offer good airflow and value.

>>60947111
that wouldn't be much worth, lots of time spent doing this for in the end 100 or 150MHz more

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>>60947140

>Thermalright Silver Arrow

..does pic related.

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Is there any way to monitor why a PC is turning it's self off? I thought I had fixed my problem by changing some settings but it came back today.

>PC will randomly shut down while playing games
>Doesn't respond to anything until power cable is taken out and the LEDs turn off and replugged
>Changed out Mother board, CPU, RAM, Graphics card, Power supply.
>Updating the mother board bios made it less frequent, used to be within 30 minutes, then 90 and this week I've been playing Tekken for 6 hours+ no problem until yesterday it suddenly happens again.

Is there any way I can track what is causing it to shut it's self off? I've taken it to a local repair store and they couldn't find a problem.

I'm getting really frustrated after months of this and being unable to solve it. I apologise that this is a bit of a blog post but I suffer from poor health and use my PC to manage my condition. When conditions bad I play vidya to distract so I can get away with less pain relief. I'm at the end of my rope here and getting to the point where I wish I had just bought a pre build.

>>60947183
What motherboard and CPU? Any overclock? What PSU?

>>60947196
Ryzen 5 1600
Asus prime B350plus

No overclocking, everything is factory settings.

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is it worth the switch from 7 or will I get c*cked?

>>60947183

1) Check the windows event log
2) Run HWinfo64 and have it log values to see if anything goes mental at moment of crash
3) Make sure shit isn't catching fire

That said random shutdowns are typically psu issues - hardware errors (like unstable memory, OC's and whatnot) tend to cause BSoD/kernel panics.

>>60947169
Nice.

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>>60947311
Heats never over 65

Here's a screencap of the event logger for the last crash. No idea if it means anything.

I'm using a hybrid hard drive, would that be a possible cause of problems?

I'll run Hwinfo64. Will it be able to save the info as it crashes or will I lose it?

>>60947396

>I'll run Hwinfo64. Will it be able to save the info as it crashes or will I lose it?

Once you tell it to start logging (make sure you set it to a really low interval) it will save at that interval up until the moment the crash occurs. It might not tell you anything, on the other hand it might catch an error before the system goes down.

>Heats never over 65

CPU temps =/= only thing that can overheat. For all I know your motherboard vrms are overheating and crashing the system to prevent damage. Or your gpu is suddenly demanding 300w of power and your psu can't feed it or a million other options.

The next step would be to run a cpu stress test (prime95 or Intel burn test) while your gpu is doing nothing and see if it crashes. If not then run a gpu stress test (furmark) while the cpu is idling. If no crash occurs run both tests at the same time and see if it pulls the system down. My gut still says underpowered/fault psu but there are many possibilities.

>>60947299
>c*cked

>>60947299
Honestly people make a huge deal out of WIndows 10 but it's mountains better than Windows 8. The only problem is the privacy stuff so I'd recommend turning all that stuff off in the settings while you're configuring it, if you upgrade
Still, if you're accustomed to 7, don't switch until functionality of that OS diminishes because of less support from Microsoft. There's really no need to upgrade besides that

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I'm thinking of buying a micro ATX motherboard and go for a small case
can I use a normal sized PSU with it?

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Leaving everything the same, should I build Z170 to save $83, or just go for Z270? I'm not even sure what the difference is, probably the only factor I care about is future overclocking, but that's not a factor right now.

>>60947661
Yeah most mATX cases fit standard ATX power supplies with room to spare.

Is Fiji decent for mining?

>>60947069
>>60947092
>>60947140
Holy shit ! thanks guys your the best

>>60947183
Same thing happened to me just now while I was playing. Everything turned off although both CPU and GPU were at 70°C max. Needless to say I'm a bit paranoid and upset.

I think the problem is my power cable, sometimes I have to fiddle with it so my PC works, and today I moved my computer to install my new monitor so that might have been the cause. I remember the first time I built my computer the thing wouldn't start up because of this. You guys think I should buy another power cable? It might be the PSU having this problem though... I remember people having the same problem on their EVGA.

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>>60947750
>1920x1080@60
just get a 1920x1080@144hz entry level monitor
the difference is night and day

>>60947840
There are no IPS panels that go that high under $300. I watch a lot of movies and do a lot of Photoshoping so accurate colors and viewing angles is important. And before anyone tells be a 1070 is overkill for such a shitty monitor, I know, I plan on getting two, maybe three, in a year or two.

>>60947911
>I watch a lot of movies and do a lot of Photoshoping
then you want a 4k monitor
1920x1080@60 is not acceptable in 2017 anymore
there are some 4k IPS monitors for $300-400 like the LG 27UD68 I'm using

>>60947966
Nigga, I'm hear asking for info to save $83, I'm broke!

>>60947911

> IPS panels

Goddamnit /g/ clearly i'm not spending enough time here because the first thing that came to mind when reading this is toilet cubicles. Clearly I spend too much time at work and not shitposting here.

>>60947796
It's powerful but consumes quite a bit of power. I think Hawaii is better in terms of price/watt.

My current monitor is plugged on my GPU.
Can I plug a VGA monitor on my mobo and make it work that way (like, via the Intel HD iGPU or something) or am I forced to plug any 2nd monitor to my GPU anyway?

Since it's a VGA I'd have to buy an adapter so I'm hoping to find another way.

>>60948199
Pretty sure you can't do that. I believe you'll need an adapter. Not 100% sure on this but I believe the OS can only really use one display driver at a time.

>>60947750
Why would you want Z270? Z170 IS Skylake. Also, why are you building Skylake in 2017? That makes no sense.

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>>60947997
ok I'll give some advice
but you won't like it
I had to cut some corners on some parts but for movies/photoshop/gaming it won't be a big difference
it even has a 4k IPS monitor added
also
>buying windows

it comes around $1780

if you were to drop the gtx1070 to an 1060 you could save more if you are not into really demanding gaming in 120+ fps

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nLdWvV

>>60947750
What's your computer usage?
Also yeah, z170 is a lot more cost efficient so you should go for it. You can always overclock the 6700k to 4.5GHz and call it a day, though you'll probably get shit temp.

>>60947562
I've used furmark, it used to crash in 15 minutes without fail. Post bios update it doesn't crash within 2 hours on multiple attempts.

I've changed the PSU out if I forgot to mention that.

>>60946263
Is reinstalling the OS easy, and does it affect your files at all?

Not him, but have Win10 and just curious for when I swap my cpu/mobo out.

>>60948267
>i5 7500
>212 evo
You make poor choices

>>60947810
I've used two different power cables. Unless it's the extension lead then I don't know.

>>60948303
>Is reinstalling the OS easy, and does it affect your files at all?
Not if you're using Linux with a separate home partition. Otherwise, yes.

>>60948310
>i5 7500
its a good cpu
>212 evo
its a good cooler

I use a 212 evo
>cheap
>quiet
>cools the cpu pretty good
and no with overcucking you don't need massive expensive coolers

>>60947966
4k monitor and a shitty PC is a bad idea. He won't be able to run anything in 4k. I just got a 4k monitor and while I can run most things in max resolution resizing it to a 4k screen tanks the FPS. It's not a small thing to double the size of things

>>60948342
If you're going intel at least wait for their next generation

>>60948342
Why would you buy a cooler for a locked i5? That thing never goes above 60°C even at 100% load (which will always be the case).

>>60948342
7500 + 212 EVO = $212, R5 1600 = $200
You can get a better and unlocked CPU for $12 cheaper and overclock it to 3.7 GHz for increased performance on stock cooler without any problem
Also, z270 with locked CPU is a waste of money and so is a cooler on a locked CPU (unless you're sensible to noise or live in a hot place, but that's pretty rare)

>>60948350
hey
here is a thing
you don't
you don't have to
I repeat
you don't have to set the graphics settings to max
just set it to medium
and enjoy the silky smooth 60fps gameplay

>>60948370
is the "JUST WAIT" meme now an intel thing?

>want to update bios on my asrock mobo
>files i can download from their official websites are some cryptic .50 files
>their tutorial only shows .exes during the flashing process

what he fuck

>>60948342

The 212 is running on memes these days. It used to be king of the hill for low cost coolers but these days there are many alternatives.

>>60948350

The only reasons to go 4k in the here and now is to be on the bleeding edge of vidya or because you need shitloads of screen real estate for your workflow (which a lot of people do not). 4k is one of those things where if you have to ask you don't need it as anyone that does (or simply wants it) knows they do.

>>60948383

I'm a mechanical man
>repeat
I'm a- i'm a- I'm a-
>repeat
I'm a mechanical man.

>>60948383
>is the "JUST WAIT" meme now an intel thing?
I'm just saying if he doesn't want to go ryzen then he should wait for intels follow up, kaby is a bad purchase

>>60948387

I severely doubt a bio flash uses .exe given it will be OS agnostic and done long before any OS initialises. For reference the crosshair hero VI bios uses .CAP extension.

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Trying to create a cheap vfio build. How did I do ? Any ways to make it better / cheaper ?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/CLb6bj

>>60948383
I never said you did. I'm saying he maybe better off with a smaller monitor he can full screen on with good settings than one he has to use low settings on.

>>60948397
Extra work space is nice, I agree there. But they're also massive. Most PC monitors don't need to be 40" big, very few people are going to need that many windows open at the same time. Alt tabbing exists for most shit.

>>60948383
>is the "JUST WAIT" meme now an intel thing?
Well, they certainly don't have much in the way of competitive desktop CPUs at the moment.

>>60948429
>HDD

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>>60948430
do you have anything more to say?

New:
>>60948475
>>60948475
>>60948475

>>60948453
>budget

Are there any coolers that are an upgrade to the Wraith Spire that aren't huge?
I'm gonna have to relocate my pc at the end of summer and don't want to have to disassemble the whole thing.

>>60947311
how do I set it to log?

>>60948429
Try 8 GB of ram instead of 16, you don't really need 16 especially for budget builds.

>>60948500
I need them for the vfio Vm setup. I will run a Linux host and a Windows guest for Photoshop, Premiere, Pro Tools, Gaymen, etc.. So I think it's appropriate.

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>>60948493

>>60948519
Fair enough then

>>60948542
alright, thanks. Is the case any good ? That's what I'm most concerened about.

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is this ok or am I retarded

>>60948603

Seems good to me. Maybe consider a 580 for freesynch ?

>>60948554
I'm not much of a case guy, it seems to be alright. I'd recommend doing research and looking at reviews to see if it fits your needs, the reviews seems to be mostly positive on the site.

>>60948332
Still of I have Windows 10, should I just not bother unless I have problems?