Why isn't .mkv more popular?

mkv is the superior container by far, but anime groups have usually been the most technologically current releases compared to other types of videos. Anime is also unique in the need for multiple subtitle tracks and audio tracks, which most other containers lack support for.
The problem comes from the fact that most hardware players only support mp4 or other proprietary containers, while mkv is an open standard.

Literally every movie I have is mkv, I never see mp4 nowadays. I only see avi for old encodes that aren't worth putting in a different container anyway, and unfortunately it seems to be a popular format for smaller JAV encodes.

But otherwise, even public trackers seem to be primarily mkv

>>60935392
>and even then it's not completely dominant. Does it have some sort of inherit flaw?
It's free. That means companies can't make money off people implementing it.

>>60935392
But it is completely dominant now.

>>60935882
I see a lot of .mp4 streams on masterani.me, maybe it's different when it comes to torrents though

>>60935392
Nigger what's wrong with you?

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>>60936030
>streaming

Muh Safari doesn't play WebM, etc.

>>60936288
What, do you keep your anime stored in case you ever wanna go back and rewatch it? Unless you intend to rewatch a series 4 times a month, you're much better off streaming, provided you can find a good stream, which you can 90% of the time.

>>60935503
>>60935581
what practical advantage does mkv have over mp4

>>60936523
>good stream

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>>60936532
>1080p
>HorribleSubs
>no ads
>no stuttering
>good audio
Tell me what advantage I would get out of torrenting this episode

>>60936523
>good stream

>>60936525
Both are just containers, but mkv can contain more things, better (basically anything really: think codecs, subs, other attachments, etc.; mp4 on the other hand is limited to certain formats). Mp4 also has some licensing/patent restrictions. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_container_formats

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>>60936523
The current state of /g/ folks.

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>>60936593
>>60936625
WHY DO YOU FAGGAOTS CARE SO MUCH
I AM GETTING THE EXACT SAME THING EASIER AND WITHOUT TAKING UP STORAGE SPACE
IF IT EVER ISN'T THE EXACT SAME, THEN I CAN JUST TORRENT

>>60936575
Well it wouldn't have all those artifacts, for one

>>60936658
>IF IT EVER ISN'T THE EXACT SAME, THEN I CAN JUST TORRENT
So you torrent all the time?

>>60935392
Because it's a retarded name.

The fuck is a Matroska?

>>60936671
Epic, dude

>>60936523
>good stream
You will always, always, 100% of the time, find better quality video, audio, and subs if you download. And streaming sites go down, content disappears, but your hard drive will always be there.

>I see a lot of .mp4 streams
Of course you do. Streaming formats are limited by browser support, which is abysmal. Mp4 is kindof the lowest common denominator. >>60935882 was referring to formats you'd actually download and have on your computer, in which mkv is (mostly) dominant nowadays, at least in recent torrents.

>>60936681
Aren't they those russian stacking dolls?

Windows 10 supports the MKV container natively now with the native media player (whatever that is), and FLAC and even Opus too.

Apple will never ever support MKV natively with QuickTime's media player so get VLC or something else on the macOS platform.

I just grabbed like 250+ very well done 720p encodes in the past few days and they're all MKV so, I don't know what you're talking about OP - and not one of them is some fuckin' Japanese cartoons 'cause I ain't into that shit, these are actual movies of various kinds and every one of 'em is popular.

>>60936691
>And streaming sites go down, content disappears, but your hard drive will always be there
So you keep your 3GB of softcore loli on your PC in case literally every stream of it vanishes permanently? I'm not quite so paranoid, anon.
>You will always, always, 100% of the time, find better quality video, audio, and subs if you download
Well, let's see...video is 1080p, and I don't see artifacts like the other anon mentioned, so unless you have a 1440p or 4k monitor (which I don't) that's the same.
I can't attest to a side-by-side comparison of the bit rate, but the audio sounds fine to me.
The subs are HorribleSubs, which I'm pretty sure is what most torrents use anyway.
So, in this one example that I just so happened to be streaming, everything is pretty much the same.

>>60936658
>exact same thing

I kinda doubt you're getting good 1080p from random streams on the internet. I've seen the type of thing people settle for from streams on Kodi and I refuse to watch that garbage on a 1080 screen that is inches from my face when I can download things so easily. The price/GB is so goddamned cheap these days that as long as you have a system to put hard drives in, the only reasons you wouldn't just download everything are 1) you don't want to pay even the low prices for hard drives or 2) you lack the technical know-how to make it easy to archive everything. In both cases, rather than attacking others, just say "it isn't for me" and move on.

But yeah, if you imply that the average stream is the same quality as the average video file you get from a torrent, you're going to have a lot of people calling you out. And you didn't just imply that, you straight up stated it as fact.

>>60936681

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka_doll

Educate yourself, moron.

MKV = Matroska container = you can put all sorts of shit into it BECAUSE IT'S A CONTAINER

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>>60936735
>I don't see artifacts
NiBBa... Get some fucking glasses

>>60935392
because ffmpeg shits the bed too often when a file with an MKV wrapper is fed into it

>implying WOWZA and Akamai would ever support such a shit wrapper

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>>60936735
>HorribleSubs, which I'm pretty sure is what most torrents use anyway

>>60936739
>rather than attacking others
Nobody's getting attacked. People were acting like I was the cancer that was killing /g/ so I felt I had a right to defend myself.

>>60936775
Oh come the fuck on

>>60936784
>I was the cancer that was killing /g/

You're being pretty cancerous right now, bro. You're saying things that are completely false to normalize your own behaviour amongst a group of enthusiasts. There's nothing inherently wrong with what you're doing if YOU don't mind the drawbacks, but that doesn't mean your subjective experience is objective truth. Stop being dumb.

>>60936735
First, TV anime airs in 720p. You're watching blurry billinear upscaled shit.
Second, the shitty html5 player can't exactly do judder-free playback with frame blending, 3:2 pull-down isn't nice. It also can't do chroma upscaling decently, nor dithering nor debanding.
Third, for non-airing anime you should aim for BD rips, streaming websites hardly ever bother with updating their shit so you're always fated to get the worse quality even if the web player was good.

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>>60936718
>>60936740
Who gives a fuck?
Why do neckbeards pick such cheesy fucking names?

I know what it is you fucking faggots, it's just a retarded extension plus it's associated with piracy.

Go kys.

>>60936784
fuck off to facebook and reddit you streaming aficionado newfag retard

>>60936816
>subjective experience
Are you even reading my posts? I gave quantifiable details, not just "I like it so it's good." And are you really surprised by someone vehemently defending something on 4chan?

>>60936784
If you want to stream and dont feel like storing anime, fine, but you're straight up lying about the differences. Streams are inferior in every way with regards to the video, and there's no getting around it. Don't evangelize for shit and nobody will call you out on your life choices

>>60936784
>Oh come the fuck on
No, you should do some research. You're making claims about video quality and popular sub groups when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

It's ok if you prefer streaming, many people do. It's convenient. But if you try to argue that it's better quality, you can expect to get told by everyone that you're wrong, at which point you should evaluate your argument and that of your opposition rather than merely try to "defend yourself" without thinking.

>>60936847
"pretty much" / "pretty sure" is not quantifiable.

>>60936831
Alright, fair enough, I'll admit I was wrong about the quality being the same. To be fair though I didn't come here and start shitting on torrenting anime out of the blue, I defended streaming with what I thought was correct but now know isn't.

>>60936860
Nearly every screenshot I see posted on /a/ says "HorribleSubs" in the filename, I'll admit I was wrong about the quality but I'm fairly certain HorribleSubs is widely used on /a/.

>>60936862
Should have lurked mor

>>60936523
>streaming
enjoy your shit quality
nothing wrong with DLing, storage is hella cheap and I enjoy being able to rewatch it whenever instead of hunting down some shitty low bitrate stream with half the links taken down and shit text rendering hardcoded in

>he doesn't watch his anime in glorious 10bit

>>60936523
When nyaa went down, I still had my downloaded anime.

>>60936935
Fair enough, but that is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy: you're trying to advocate DLing over streaming, citing the fact that you'll still have the anime downloaded if a torrenting site goes down as a reason...but if you're trying to torrent, you're already DLing instead of streaming.
What's the site of choice now, by the way? I remember people on /a/ losing their shit when nyaa went down, but I didn't really care since I streamed anyway. N-not that I suddenly care now...I-I'm just curious is all...

>>60936968
You download whether you stream it or not, the differences that make not streaming better is you keep what you've downloaded and can obtain higher quality than streams.

>>60936988

's/is/are that/'

>>60936658
>not storing your content in lead cased drives in case of tech devastating solar winds
>not spending your fiat on precious metals with actual value
In the tech apocalyptic society, he who controls the anime controls the world.

>>60936988
I mean with regards to nyaa specifically, as I recall it was strictly a torrenting site and not a streaming site.

>>60936878
No it definitely is, you're right. Pretty much every anime is gonna end up coming through HorribleSubs since all they do is rip Crunchy's subs. That also makes them the fastest (they don't do any subbing themselves), so those who watch ongoing anime usually watch HS, and maybe replace it with a better version later.

But they usually have the worst subs (hence the name, although to be fair, sometimes they're fine). Better, more preferred fansub groups follow later, although they might not get as many overall downloads. HS is just ubiquitous, is all, really.

Also btw, what >>60936831 didn't mention is that for streaming you really just can't have as high bitrates (or flac audio) as something you'd download. It might look fine to you, but it's like YIFY vs. a proper encode, to compare to movies. The stuff that's streamed is basically those torrents, reencoded with their quality dropped enough to be streamable. That's why the downloaded version will be better, whether you can tell the difference (or care) or not.

>>60936968
nyaa.pantsu.cat
And yeah I don't get that anon's point either.

>>60937019
/g/ made pantsu, btw. look for the /nrg/ thread.

>>60936831
tv anime is usually edited in 720p, but airs in 1080i @12mbit mpeg-2 as shit out by an early-00s hardware encoder.
muh 1080p animu is a dumb meme in itself but 1080p in 5mbit x264 output as streamed by most major platforms is typically closer to the master than japanese broadcast is.

>>60936988
Torrentcucks are all "muh quality" but if you look at any given kino the 4k rip has the least downloads and 720 has the most.

hey so serious question-

if you're watching anime, which are is a cartoon- why do you give a shit about quality? Ok, sure quality audio but the motion pictures are- line art.

why the fuck would you bother with the quality of a cartoon?

>>60937019
Was it HS that subbed "itadakimasu" as "for the dark lord Satan"? That was pretty bad, whoever it was.
>nyaa.pantsu.cat
Thanks my man, I'll probably start DLing now.

>>60936523
Go back to the shithole you came from. People this pleb don't belong here.

>>60937084
Compare Akira on VHS with the 20th anniversary Blu ray.

>>60937097
>Go back to the shithole you came from
SA has been dead for years, there's no way I'm going back there

Is it worth converting my entire .mkv library into webm for storage purposes?

>>60937081
At least for anime most shows are only drawn on paper large enough for 720p to make sense.

>>60937109
>re-encodes ever
Just buy a HDD.

>>60936575
Are you watching this shit on youtube? Streaming always has lower quality picture, always. You can see slight distortions in color and artifacting in what you posted even.

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>>60937084
Who doesn't care about the quality of 2D, seriously.

>>60937081
I never said how many people do it or anything about how common it is, I was listing pros.

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>>60937128
that's not sustainable

>>60937170
Re-encoding forever isn't sustainable either unless you just like shit.

>>60937094
Ha! That sounds like Commie. They're known for taking some liberties with their translations... Except sometimes they're legit, too, so you don't always know. I go based on what has the most downloads/seeds, and comments/reviews (as a last resort I'll even just download multiple and compare in Subtitle Edit). Unless I see a group I know is top quality. That sort of thing you pick up as you go, but you can do some googling on 'best fansub groups' to start. Enjoy downloading! Ps - try to get into bakabt, if you can; that's a good place to look as well. Most of what's there is the best available for a given show (usually).

>>60937186
>as a last resort I'll even just download multiple and compare in Subtitle Edit
I'm assuming viruses aren't a concern here the same way they would be on Pirate Bay?
>bakabt
Too late for me, it's private now unless you have an account

>>60937186
>he doesn't know
That other anon is right. The CR subs for Gabriel Dropout were atrocious. They went way beyond just "taking some liberties." There was a massive shitstorm.

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>>60935392
I am just going to leave this OC here

>>60937109
webm? If you're talking storage space, convert your 264 to 265 mkvs. Usually cuts filesize down to 1/3 for the same quality. Keep an eye on dark areas though.

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>>60937225
normies post some golden nuggets

>>60937225
At least he has good taste in shows.

>>60937214
You're not going to get viruses from videos like this. That's more a concern with downloading programs (note: some file formats like word docs can also contain viruses though). In any case, nyaa is pretty safe; it's enough of a niche website.

Maybe you can find someone with invites. Otherwise keep an eye out for open registration.

>>60937221
No kidding? I missed that, wow. That's insane for CR.

>>60935392
The highest quality shit is always mkv, be it anime or not. A single mkv can store everything from a bd in one file (useless shit excluded).

>>60936607
Malware too

>>60935392
Only pedos use mkv

>>60937136
Being proud of this shit is racist

>>60936735
>So you keep your 3GB of softcore loli on your PC in case literally every stream of it vanishes permanently? I'm not quite so paranoid, anon.

Most people here actually have atleast a terabyte partition set aside for porn.
I cant count how many times I go to a video I had bookmarked only to find its been deleted or the site doesnt exist anymore.
Just last week I went to a chan that I had been going to since I was 14. The entire site is gone. vanished overnight without a trace. All of the content is lost, including several threads with thousands of pictures in them that I was JUST about to archive. Because of my laziness, I will probably never see some of my favorite sets again.

Fucking retard OP doesn't understand the difference between container and codec. Kill yourself.

>>60938109
Oh wow look at you! You're so special! Go back to fapping to lol you piece of shit

>>60936523
Shinu!
Shinu!
Shinu!

>>60935392
can't open mkv in Adobe Premiere Pro.

>>60937084
lower quality gives you shitty lines and blurry textures.
I don't get why not bother with quality

>>60937084
t. someone who doesn't know anything about animation, film, or quality in general.

>>60937841
Niglets don't give a fuck about quality?

>>60937225
what a donkey

>MKV Myths
>MKV Files are smaller and have the best quality
The most persistent myth are thanks to uploaders who create crappy 350 MB rips. Of course, these are, nonsense because MKV is a container— the file size is determined by the video and audio bitrate. The same h.264 streams can be muxed to any container with the exact same file size as an MKV container.
MKV can hold an unlimited number of streams, other containers like MP4 and ISO don't

The ISO spec does not, and for a good reason— these limitations are put in place for manufactures of hardware-based players and are of no concern to the user. In the rare case that you need more than 1MB of streams you can simply ignore the ISO spec and have an unlimited number of streams.

>MKV supports any codec, other containers like MP4 don't
No, the ISO standard does not (Ogg). But there is nothing stopping me or anyone else muxing said formats in. This nonsense is contently thrown around as a feature, it's not; it's actually an anti-feature, because it completely abandons hardware support by having updating the "standard" continuously instead of in revisions.

>MKV is better because the tools are free
Nothing special there. Free tools exist for other containers.

>MP4 doesn't support embedded subtitles
Actually, MP4 supports embedded subtitles, known as MPEG4 Timed Text in the standard.

>>60940386
>The same h.264 streams can be muxed to any container with the exact same file size as an MKV container.
the container can add to filesize; .ts is bigger than .mkv even though the contained files are the same size

>>60937019
>Better, more preferred fansub groups
can you name a few good ones ?

>>60935392
>I only ever see it used for anime, and even then it's not completely dominant.
Uh, 90% of the media I download is in .mkv, although I mostly use RuTracker.

>>60935392
mkv is just the container format, it provides no inherent better quality than mp4 (which is also just a container format).

Anime scene uses it because it allows to embed kawaii subtitles without hardcoding them to the video.

I don't know about you but I use matroska containers for basically everything I make. If there's just audio I stick them in .mka to separate them out.

The problem with matroska containers is they can contain anything so you can't use the file extension to determine what media they might contain. This makes accepting them on websites difficult because you may have to accept many types of media or deny all media except certain types which can be confusing for the end users.

>>60943389
I'd use .mka and .mk3d but Kodi doesn't support them

>>60943414
Main reason I use .mka is simplicity. I use ffmpeg+batch files to automate conversions and rip audio from files, it's easier to have ffmpeg just output a matroska container than it is to check the streams and output to a specific type of container. Luckily for me foobar2000 and mpc-hc don't seem to mind them.