Is it worth it right now to get a 4K TV? If not now, when?

>>60930898
If you're going to be consuming 4k content then sure it's worth it, however if you're just going to be upscaling your content don't bother and just get a high quality 1080p panel.

>>60931066
high quality 1080p tvs dont exist anymore.

>>60930898
Of course not.

When? when 4K is the 1080p of the day.

>>60930898
>>60931066
The only real advantage I see with 4K TVs is the HDR feature. Personally, I would rather watch high bitrate 1080p content on a 1080p TV. Even high bitrate 720p content doesn't looks pretty good on 1080p TVs when you sit far enough.

>>60931117
It pretty much is, as far as price goes. Budget model 4ks are cheaper than mid range 1080s at this point

I got my dad a Samsung UE55KU6079UXZG for his birthday, it's pretty good. Unless you're stuck with your nose against the screen, upscaled 720p content looks decent as well on it.

For some reason they jacked the price up by 200 bux after I bought it, now it's lowered by 100 again.

there's not much 4K content to be honest, just get a good 1080p. however if you're going +50" pick a 4K anyway

>>60931111
>dont exist anymore.
What do you mean

Get a 4k TV whenever it comes with an ATSC 3.0 tv tuner. Which is like 3 years from now.

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>>60931117
>>60931170
we still have to get past that period of time where normies will pay top $$$ for """premium 4K content""" before it really becomes the norm

4k tvs are cheap as fuck right now.

>>60930898
It is if you're actually going to watch 4K content regularly.

So far 80% of the people I know with 4K tvs are just upscaling 1080 and are too dumb to know the difference.

There are no good 4k blu rays out yet

>>60932340
He means the meme took over and you literally can't get anything modern and decent without 4k and smart (botnet) capabilities.

When oled 4k hdr tvs aren't some holly grail for 4k$ bucks. Therefore, just wait when tech moves on and all the memes will die at this theme.

>>60930898
wait for cheap 4k HDR OLEDS to be avaliable in a couple years

>>60932228
it's called upscaling anon

>>60933589
This guy gets it.

It probably is just because you really can't get a 1080p TV with a nice panel anymore.

In terms of 4K "arriving", it still hasn't. Streaming 4K content looks about as good as 1080p Bluray(but you do get that out of a stream I suppose) and 4K Bluray players are still pretty expensive.

>>60933630
>>60933630
You guys do realize they're not going to get a whole lot cheaper than the $1500ish LG, right? Not for some time, anyway. Other players are just entering at the extreme high end. It will be some time before you are able to buy an OLED TV for under $1000.

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No and for a couple of reasons.
>4K content will 99.9999% of the time be encoded in 4:2:0 chroma sub sampling
>affordable ~4 TFLOP graphics cards can only handle 60+ FPS in 1080p

Wait until 8K content starts becoming popular and affordable 16 TFLOP graphics cards start showing up. Downscaling 4K content on a 1080p display is the best experience you can get right now.

>>60933719
what content

>>60931375
>that fucking name
how do you even remember it?
much less try to explain it to an employee verbally?

>>60933748
Netflix, youtube, ultraflix, ect

It's not much but it's growing.

>>60933136

Xbox One S or X

>>60933830
then why do u need higher than 60fps if it's just a few streamed vids

>>60933832
>console trash
Nah, I'd rather wait for pirates to do hevc rips of them.

>>60933867
I was talking about vidya. Anything under 60 fps is uncomfortable and can cause eye strain.

>>60933879

WHy does it matter if they're game consoles you mongoloid.

>then says he doesn't need a bluray player

This place is retarded and knows nothing about technology.

I recently got a Samsung 4k. 1080p upscaled is worse than on a 1080 panel obviously. 4k content looks great, and the ever going improvements in color and contrast are totally worth just going ahead and getting one. I had to fuck with the settings, but I think it looks great now. 4k gaming and youtube vids are all I have for 4k now though. And an rx480 can easily run games at 4k in medium settings with almost maintaining 60 fps in the new games I've tried.

>>60932340
Since OP said TV and not monitor, the 1080p tv market basically doesn't exist any more. You can buy some excess old stock ones, but everything now is going 4k. Even when you look at "babbys first tv in their new apartment" prices, companies like Insignia have a 43" 4k for $349. Of course the pc market is different, there's plenty of high hz 1080p panels, 1440p/1440p ultrawides and things like that. But in terms of Tvs, nobody buying new will be buying 1080p anymore

What looks better:
>1080 screen, 4k supersampling
A4k screen, 1080 upscaling

>>60933904
>WHy does it matter if they're game consoles you mongoloid.
Because I'm an adult and have a computer. Last console I had was a nintendo 64.

>>then says he doesn't need a bluray player
>This place is retarded and knows nothing about technology.
I never said that. I'm waiting for 4K blu-ray optical drives to go down in price or HEVC 4K blu-ray rips to become available.

Whichever comes first.

>>60933957
Both look like trash. 4K content downscaled to 1080p would reduce the abhorrent effects of 4:2:0 chroma sub-sampling.

>>60933918
Also windows scaling in some programs is a bit off at 4k. It works if you log in and out strangely. But if you are doing work on a pc I would recommend a 1080p.

>>60934149
Also also, if you want to see how trash dvds are compared to blu ray, get a 4k.

>>60934149
Nah, 1440 is where it's at for PCs at the moment.

4K might be alright for a TV, so long as you're actually using it for 4K content. Otherwise, nope.

>>60932802
You can stream 4k from Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Youtube

You can also go full autismo and buy 4k blurays

>>60933986
>I'm waiting for 4K blu-ray optical drives to go down in price
Keep waiting. You'll still need to pay to play 4k blurays

>or HEVC 4K blu-ray rips to become available
lel 100gb movies assuming they can even crack the encryption

HDR is where it's at

>>60934991
>lel 100gb movies assuming they can even crack the encryption
Nope. 1080 res is 2MP and 4K is 8MP, that means only 4X bigger file size for the same quality. We're already seeing good quality 2-4GB 1080p movie rips with HEVC. 8-16GB 4K HEVC rips is feasible.

>>60935118
>2-4GB 1080p
>good quality
YIFY pls

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>>60935527
WITH HEVC my negro.

yify uses H264

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>>60935624
Both of them look pretty god awful. Almost every h265 encode I've seen so far seems to be from shit tier encoders who think that this new compression format will be able to save their shitty encoding skills.

pic related is a screenshot from a 3GB 720p mini encode from an scene group that actually knows how to encode.

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>>60935810
>encoding skills

I don't think it requires skills at all, just knowledge. Here's my own HEVC encode straight from my own blu-ray.

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>>60934970
Tell that to grampa joe who will fork over his retirement savings to his cable provider to see the sweat dripping off his favorite sportsball player's balls in 4K.

>>60933719
Why are you posting stills from Thomas The Tank Engine?

Also, for playback, your graphics card means diddly. Also also, you shouldn't be gayming on a TV. A TV is not a monitor.

>>60930898
you can get a decent 50 inch Phillips 4K TV for about $380

its like having movie theatre in the house

As far as the screen is concerned definitely worth it.

But the shitty operating systems
Crappy third party agreements with media providers
And totally fucked os update cycles
makes you wonder if you're getting ripped off.

>>60936338
>But the shitty operating systems
>Crappy third party agreements with media providers
>And totally fucked os update cycles
> makes you wonder if you're getting ripped off.
Why not just plug in an Intel Compute stick loaded with Kodi and use that instead of the TV's smart features?

>>60936032
what?

The best deals I found are 500$ for LG and Hannspree 4k HDR 50-55".
But they got terrible TN panels, shit black levels, and inputlag fest on top of that

>>60934001
Gaymen swear by their Nvidìa whatsitsname or Amd Super Virtual Resolution and say it's just like native 4k rendering

>>60936005
Consoles were a mistake?

Anyway, show me a decent 60" monitor.

I use one as my monitor. They're like $300 these days which is barely the price of a good 1440p monitor, and TVs usually out class monitors in image quality.

>4k marketing hype
>Most movies are still shot on arrival 2.8k

Just give me my 1080p Oled that's not trash and fuck off

>not rocking a 60in 1080p made 10 years ago

>>60939693

*arri

>>60933589
this. aside, there is literally no worthwhile 4k content right now, just wait a few years, prices will drop.

>>60939693
they're not making anymore 1080p OLED, just 4k.

>>60930898
Never, thanks to hollywood. Every device in your chain needs to be HDCP 2.2 compatible in order to consume 4K content. You can't upgrade existing equipment with a firmware update to get this feature because it requires a new chip which basically means a new device.

>>60939801
Or you could just pirate it.

>>60939828
>40GB download for 1 movie

wtf i love 4k now

>>60939869
>he hasn't been downloading 40GB remuxes of 1080p movies
Shame anon, shame.

>>60940028
with my broadband connection it takes 12 hours to download 40gb

>>60940480
Well if you're poor you should most likely use your money on useful things rather than upgrading your display, so yeah, in your case it wouldn't be worth it at all.

How about never?
I own a 4K screen and it's honestly just shit. Be it gaming or video, the difference is barely noticeable.
If you have spare money burning in your pocket, do yourself a favor and get a high-FPS monitor. The difference between 60hz and 144hz is simply mindblowing.

>>60940493
Maybe he just lives in a region where high speed internet is simply unavailable? Not uncommon in the United States of Shiternet.

>>60940576
this.
It's virtually the same from 2 feet away @ 50".

Panel quality > resolution anyway.

>>60940586
I've never had that experience. Maybe if you stay away from shitlib infested cancer cities the Internet is worse but I've lived near cities and I always get at least 150mbps.

>>60932824
Cheapest 4k TV is like 700€

>>60941301
>*460$
>55"
>with HDR

>>60930898
when more 4K BDs are ripped

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>>60930898
Just get the newest 40" 1080p Samsung SmartTV model and never connect it to the internet. After tuning the display settings, it's one of the most accurate, beautiful, and reasonably priced TV's on the market for the last couple years or so. They're like $200.

also, 4k is eternally a meme in my eyes, except for stuff like VR and TVs larger than 52" or so.

>>60941750
does it even have full panel dimming
it's probably a TN
also
>40"
>2017

>>60936385
Compute sticks would be great if they changed the form factor or made the hdmi plug foldable.
And power over hdmi.

But id still rather the 4k tv i bought had some open source os. Android, windows i dont care. But the lg and samsung ones are fucking terrible.

>>60941800
Anything larger than 46"-50" in a bedroom is fucking retarded no matter how big the room is. From a design perspective and overall aesthetic, it looks really tacky & niggerish. A panel around 60"-75" is acceptable for something like a living room, however.

Since OP casuals /g/, I'm assuming he's a middle class NEET buying one for his room. That's where I coming from.

4k = 4gHEY

>>60941905
>I come from
*was coming from
I a word

>unironically buying a television

>>60942019
/thread

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>>60941905
wtf are you on about nigga?
>bedroom
>it looks really tacky & niggerish.

what kind of negro homosexual are you

Am I going the right way here?
>>60941342

>>60941840
LG's is pretty fucking great as far as TV OS' go, it's literally WebOS. Also has Chromecast features built in so you don't have to use their interface

I'm using a compute stick with one of these, it was like $20. It's not ideal for 4k TVs, it can't do 4k 60fps
The compute stick comes with a small HDMI extender like a Chromecast. And the damn thing draws like 3 amps so you'll have to use the power supply it come with

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>>60942153
You know how the melanin-enriched overcompensate with flashy, bold, expensive, clashing & out of place items on display 24/7 to pretend they're not poor? That's you.

And yes, you should feel bad.

...Perhaps it'd be best if you went and lied down, and really thought about how you've become this gaudy, distasteful, pitiful, human being at this point in your life. My son shits more class in his morning bowel travels than you can muster up on your best day.

Good day, Jamal "Ganja$" Bubba-Jenkins.

>>60942591
>bedroom
>on display 24/7

literally ghetto tier level of insecurity there m8y

>doesn't watch movies in his bedroom bc triggered by the thought some hypothetical visitor would find his setup "distasteful"

wew lad

>>60942629
I'm just saying don't buy a some 50"-100" TV for your bedroom. I like kicking back and watching shit in bed too

but on that note whats a good used 1080p telly just for remux and ota viewing? the most neutral color?

>>60942666
why wouldn't I buy it if it's the most convenient way to watch crap
You can't see shit on a sub 50" from 8-10 feet away

>>60935810
>scene group that actually knows how to encode
Name?

>>60942806

They all use the same settings dumbass. They are far better than any p2p faggots at literally everything. Ripping DRM from the web, cracking Denuvo, cracking applications, distributing files. You name it.

>>60942681
Sony Bravias from a few years ago.

I'm sure there's a rather large used market full of people of selling them, given how popular they were..

also,
>plentiful supply of models that were released right before the TV jews got together and demanded every TV have NSA spyware pre-installed

I believe the 2009 ones were especially good in terms of panel quality, accuracy, etc - if memory serves me right

>>60935118
> bitching about quality
> 2gb rips


Useless subhuman

>>60942883
>2009 lcds
>good

holy shit m8, lcds are crap to this day, with the exception of the very high end and the samsungs

>>60942835
>scene
>good at anything
Lol.

>>60942944
I actually meant TV/movies, not everything.

>>60942911
He asked for a used & neutral 1080p panel. I told him. The Bravia is one of the very few reasonable choices in the category, desu.

not everybody is rollin in a shitload of cash, my dude

>>60941333
We have yurotaxes to buy refugee houses
Give me good old 1080p panel tvs I might try to find a used one, don't need more than 32-40"

>>60942906
That would be more than double the quality of yify though since they aim for 1.5GB file sizes for 1080p movies.

>>60943207
Still a subhuman, get a remux or kill yourself

>>60943315
Shut up you retard, even a remux is a lossy encode. TRUE lossless video is like 1,000 GB per hour.

By the time you get to 22 CRF HEVC (2-4GB 1080p movie range) it looks 90% like the original movie especially with a 10-bit HEVC encoder. No point in adding more bloat especially with SSDs being like $300/TB.

need a new tv for my bedroom for ps4 and movies.
which should i get?

>>60945516
Hanspree 55" 4k HDR @500$ more or less

If you have to ask...

Seriously. If it was that significant of an upgrade to you, or needed a new TV, you would know the answer.

>>60945689
im looking for a small bedroom tv, so between 40" to 45"
might go to best buy later today and check some out. any suggestions?

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>>60946008

>>60933953
what about a fuckhuge 1080p monitor

>>60930898
>4K TV
you mean 2160p tv?

>>60932228
Have you been to an actual store in th past eight months? 4k HDR Blu-Rays are everywhere.

>>60932802
4K blu-rays are sold for basically the same price as normal blu-rays.

>>60934149
>Using scaling
lol

>>60946095
this is great, but what should i look for in a tv when buying one? I will probably get a 43"-45"

>>60934991
Encryption has already been cracked.

>>60946328
No, that 4k releases was achieved with a bug

By next Christmas the HDR 4K tv's and monitors should be much cheaper. Right now I say stick with 1080p. Pspro and xbox x will also be cheaper.

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>>60946308

>>60946336
>Pspro and xbox x will also be cheaper.
gross, just wait for the 4k blu ray optical drives to go down in price.

>>60946325
>shows that a 55" would be TOO SMALL for his cupboard tier ghetto bedroom
>i will probably get a 43"-45" (which they dont even make)

kys you're self

>>60930898
Depends how far away you sit from your TV and the size of the TV.

>4K content

They don't even have real 4K video cameras yet.

Only upscaled Bayer crap.

>>60946367
And then spend the money you save buying a program to play those 4k HDR blurays

>>60946425
>They don't even have real 4K video cameras yet
Even Linus kek tips records everything in 4k these days

>>60933813
Autism

>>60946386
where do they not make tv in those sizes? Im american lol

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>>60946511
IIRC he uses RED cameras that can go up to """""6K"""""

The problem is those cameras only record a 3K channel for red and blue, and 2x3K for green.

Then they use interpolation to approximate a full color """"""6K"""""" image.
But it's just an approximation.

For real full color 4K image you either need a 4K foveon sensor (with an 4K channel for each color), or an """"""8K"""""" bayer sensor.

>>60946386
>kys you're self

>kill your self you are self

I have some 1366 x 768 Samsung, should I try to get a 1080p or wait for 4k

>>60930898
the only valid reasons are:
> you're an AVfag who will actually buy well-encoded 4k Blu-Rays or will burn through 100s of GB of ISP bandwidth pirating the content
> you want a master race 40"-50" UHD workstation display but are too cheap to pay the ~$1k for the proper monitor from Dell/LG/whoever.

>>60947057
4K video and blu-rays are a joke, in fact so is 1080p video and blu-rays. All use 4:2:0 chroma sub sampling.

For all intent and purposes 99% of 4K video is true 1080p video.

If you are getting one make sure to get one with a port on it that allows 60hz 4k. So atleast HDMI 2.0 or Displayport

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Can anyone tell me how to archieve 4K60 Hz on a GT 530? I can set 30 Hz with a custom resolution. It has HDMI 1.4.

4K60 with 4:2:2 colors worked on my 670, but it turned out to be defective.

>>60947552
You can push 4k 60hz with 4:2:0 on NVidia HDMI 1.4 cards

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>>60947642
How do I set it? I can only create custom resolutions and everything I tried doesn't work.

>>60947552
it's imbossible, friend.

pre-maxwell nvidya is limited to 4k60/4:2:2 or 4k30/4:4:4, and their 4:2:2 somehow looks like complete garbage even by sub-sampling standards.

>>60948168
What is all this 4:2:2 whatever you speak of?

What difference does it make for us? What does it mean?

What should we do?

Teach us, wise one.

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>>60948640
It mean that every pixel still gets its own brightness value, but 2x2 blocks of pixels have to share a base color/saturation.
4:2:2 (2x1 pix blocks) is slightly better than 4:2:0 (2x2), but both are awful for anything involving color text on web pages, etc.

Doesn't matter much for photos/video of natural subjects, but it completely fucks vector art when you have crisp edges between regions of different hues.

going to best buy. Want a good tv for my bedroom. Which should I get? I have console ps4 so I dont need smart tv.

>>60948932
>I dont need smart tv
Too bad. You won't find anything without botnet functions.

>>60948965
idk what that is. i just want a 1080p 43" for my bedroom that is a good pic quality
willing to spend $450 tops

>>60949009
Guess what. It will be a SmartTV. The good TV has died.

Don't get a 4K TV unless your current TV is broken or is old (not 1080p)

There is no point in throwing out a good 1080p tv you might have to get a 4K one and then find out there is hardly any 4K content out for you to enjoy.

4K streaming ranges from so-so to good, depending on the bitrate.
UHD is kind of a scam, some films like Mad Max were never even filmed in 4K, yet lo and behold they are UHD/4K on amazon
Can't comment on what is available from your cable company, but its usually sports in 4K

>>60930898
i tried getting a 55" 1080p sony. both of them were doa. had to get a 49" 4k. not dissatisfied, but then again its overkill cause i dont have any 4k content to play on it.

65" monitor or 65" TV?

Resolution? Panel?

I got some money, but not all da monies.