Why is there so much hate on Ubuntu?

>>60930197
buggy piece of crap
garbage default

>>60930197
>Nonfree software installed
It's like you want stallman to have another sperg out.

>>60930197
Non-free software.

>>60930209
Name a better distro.

>>60930232
debian

>>60930216
>>60930229
How is it non-free?

I'm using xubuntu and I'm very happy.

>>60930250
Ubuntu provides specific repositories of nonfree software, and Canonical expressly promotes and recommends nonfree software under the Ubuntu name in some of their distribution channels. Ubuntu offers the option to install only free packages, which means it also offers the option to install nonfree packages too. In addition, the version of Linux, the kernel, included in Ubuntu contains firmware blobs.

The “Ubuntu Software Center” lists proprietary programs and free programs jumbled together. It is hard to tell which ones are free since proprietary programs for download at no charge are labelled “free”.

Ubuntu appears to permit commercial redistribution of exact copies with the trademarks; removal of the trademarks is required only for modified versions. That is an acceptable policy for trademarks. The same page, further down, makes a vague and ominous statement about “Ubuntu patents,” without giving enough details to show whether that constitutes aggression or not.

That page spreads confusion by using the misleading term “intellectual property rights”, which falsely presumes that trademark law and patent law and several other laws belong in one single conceptual framework. Use of that term is harmful, without exception, so after making a reference to someone else's use of the term, we should always reject it. However, that is not a substantive issue about Ubuntu as a GNU/Linux distribution.

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>>60930247
>3.x kernel

>>60930247
Is it a good way to start though?

>>60930268
>not using debian testing or unstable

>>60930266
So, what should I use instead?

Gentoo >>>> Ubuntu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arch

>>60930282
a normie would be afraid of that. Ubuntu is perfectly fine for normies

>>60930272
Mint is the best way to start anyway so Ubuntu can go into the trash. Maybe one-day you can get a arch deluxe like us grown-ups

>>60930268
stretch out tomorrow
also
>he doesn't use zen kernel for his homestation
kys

>>60930272
and a good endgame, you don't have to distro hope if you're from debian.

>>60930291
Any of these distro's. I reccomened Trisquel GNU/linux

https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html

Or debian with only the man repo.

>>60930300
But Mint is based on ubuntu.

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>>60930319

The best version of Gnu/Linux (distrobution, that is,) is slackware.
Please spread the word

>>60930366
What?

>>60930197
Vocal minority.
Ubuntu is used in a lot of places.

Because people have so little to do and have such fragile egos, they have to spend time ridiculing of a Linux distribution.


I've been trough a lot of different distributions. Ubuntu is great. Running it right now on two laptops and a server.

>>60930323
And Ubuntu I based on Debian. What's your point?

so, people like you don't like ubuntu for political reasons and don't give a shit that canonical wants it to be a distro that works on most hardware and is usable by normies. no wonder that linux won't take off since retards like you value "muh, non-free" over technical superiority.

t. ubuntu user

>>60930481
but what's wrong with this opinion?
You'll never ever realize complete freedom related to software. Not even close. Normies give a shit about freedom.

>>60930405
where?

>>60930481
Canonical wants to be Microsoft/Apple lite and roll in the money while having the facade that they aren't the same shit, different brand.
FTFY

t. Not a retard cuckbaby like you.

>>60930232
almost any

>>60930551
>Canonical wants to be Microsoft/Apple lite and roll in the money
by not selling anything to endusers? wew lad!

>>60930516
nothing's wrong with the option, but it's arrogant to name a distro shit because they maybe offer a non-free wifi driver that will probably convince someone to try linux instead of sticking with windows.

>>60930528
my college uses it as a go-to Linux distro. So did every school I attended

also Ubuntu is probably the most popular distro among normies tired of MS bullshit, along with Mint

Ubuntu sucks because its too mainstream and not Arch

>>60930197
because normies can't remember its name

obango
ububu
obanto
ubundo
obama
obobo

>>60930850

arch is mainstream as fuck you filthy casual scriptkiddy

>>60930197
At this point I'm pretty sure AIX sucks less than this piece of shit.

>>60930229
Honestly why I use it.

>>60930528
its used by Google. also someone posted a video here of some korean cyborg shit where they were using ubuntu. I believe Nasa uses ubuntu for some stuff too, but I think nasa uses everything anyways.

>>60930818
Funny. My school's goto Linux distro is Fedora.

>>60930197
Because the company that owns it is sketchy as fuck. They once noticed they had most of the GNU/Linux users so they tried to replace Linux with their own kernel, turning Ubuntu into a non GNU/Linux OS. They also added adware and other garbage to the distro.

>>60930863
>obama
IoI

>>60930366
>.jpg
>2.33 fucking megabytes

please kill yourself and pay me back the minute it took me to load this crap on my slow-ass connection

It's not >muh sikrit kblu XXdDD enough for /g/ manchildren.
Plus according to (((RMS))) you shouldn't be free to use closed source software.

>>60930197
>fidget spinner in logo
>installing fad distro

>>60931242
t. ubuntu shill

>>60931272
Nice counter argument you've got there freetard.

>>60931296
>Free=bad
This is what ubuntufags actually believe.

>>60931457
You must be the kind of kid that thinks communism works, do you?

>>60931501
No

>>60931557
Then explain how forced collectivization (GPL software) can produce anything worthwhile.
Moreover, explain why I shouldn't be free to use closed source software.

>>60931613
No

>>60931658
As expected, freetards are complete brainlets.

>>60931669
No

>>60930197

ugly name

>>60930197
Vague and poorly thought out reasons on account of /g/ and what they like

"It's simple" so it must be less useful. Harder to use = harder to use for a purpose, except not

"It resembles MacOS", because MacOS is something I don't like and this resembles it so I must also not like this

"Botnet", because the built-in DE also searches the web for results when you look something up. It's not clear how this is supposed to be different from just using Google normally

/g/ is fickle but not particularly smart

>>60930197
>/g/ - Technology
/g/ is all about pretending to be tech literate. So let's be honest - /g/ hates Ubuntu, because you can't claim to be technically clever by using it.

>>60930197
the vocal minority is simply that

those who bitch and moan are very very loud about it

the majority just get on with what they need to do

Because they've dropped Unity.

>>60930197
>Sold out to Microsoft

>>60930197
1. It used to ship with amazon spyware by default. Although you could disable it and uninstall, it still caused a shitstorm among linux users. It was removed after a year, in 15.x or 16.04, I believe.
2. Unity is buggy sometimes. It's still very usable and honestly it's UI is the best as it's compact as fuck. There's no reason to hate Ubuntu because it's main flavour is Unity. It's possibly the best DE.
3. Cannonical wasted too much time on making the DE when they could have just maintained addons for GNOME. And, they've now abandoned the Unity DE and will return back to GNOME, which is also "bandwagon hated" ever since GNOME 3.
4. It received a bandwagon hate after it changed from GNOME 2 to Unity as a default DE. People still hate it because it's popular to hate it.
5. It's popular and good, therefore people should hate it. Right? The loudest Ubuntu haters are also those who hate other easy to use distros like Mint, and think installing arch makes them a hacker.

>>60930197
There is better for:
>Customization
>Bleeding Edge
>Init freedom (yes this too)

I lost interest after unity started sending local searches (files on the computer) to amazon

Because it was a viable competitor out of the morass of hobbyist and neckbeard distros. A better server OS than Redhat, a better desktop than Windows.

Ubuntu is a secure and stable system and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>60934447
>Linux Foundation
>Its funding comes primarily from its Platinum Members: Cisco Systems, Microsoft, Fujitsu, HP, IBM, Intel, NEC, Oracle, Qualcomm, and Samsung and for many years Hitachi.[79] These nine each having a representative on the Board of Directors, they hold a majority on the 16-person board

Canonical has done more for making Linux mainstream than any other company. Hater's gonna hate.

>>60935684
>Linux
>>60935630
>>60934843
>>60931169
>>60930818
>>60930770
>>60930428


I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Mark Shuttleworth's success got to his head and he stopped listening to the community and started forcing things on people and ignoring them

>>60930197
>ubuntu
>still can't release an OS in 2017 without screen tearing
>have to edit config file to get rid of mouse acceleration that's on by default
I mean for fucks sake ubuntu was great on T420 even got like 2 hours 30 min of battery life out of a 700+ cycle 6 cell but it is garbage on my haswell based desktop

>>60935731

Bullshit. Autistic screeching from entitled neckbeards isn't community feedback. Shuttleworth pays the bills he calls the shots. If you don't like it fuck off to Debian.

>>60935751
>implying normies didnt also cry for gnome 2 to come back because it was "simpler and easier to use"
looks like you dont even know whats going on m8

>>60935885

Haha fuck off dickhead, what a load of shit that also totally ignores the fact that you can run ANY desktop you want on Ubuntu with one command. I'm running Mate now on my FreeBSD destap but I sure miss Unity. Which leads me to the REAL cancer and community disconnect: systemd.

Fuck Redhat, they have done more to destroy Linux than any arbitrary desktop complaint.

>>60930282
>try debian testing this year
>launch disk creator
>the whole interface is missing
wew lad
I also remember some time ago gparted constantly crashing on it rofl

>>60934843
this. but i think unity has it's rightful place and is way better than gnome 3.

I'm using Ubuntu as my first distro right now.

>>60931501
communism does work.

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>>60930863

>>60938655
(in theory)

>Let's take Debian
>okay
>And add a huge bloated awful UI
>...okay?
>Also let's fuck with the core system a lot
>Fucking why
>AND LETS MAKE EVERYTHING UBUNTU SPECIFIC PACKAGES!

I can't play all Steam games like Fallout 4

>>60938680
Communism does work, it just kills millions of people to be stable.

>>60935630
>Microsoft and goggle subscribes to the foundation
>MS does this because they have to maintain .NET core
>Somehow this is called selling out

>Ubuntu comes installed with Windoze
>This is not being sold out

Linux isn't the privacy solution you think. It is spying on you too.

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>>60938726

>>60938680
no, in scandinavia too. they're just opting to label themselves socialist because it was easier to stay in the NATO that way.

>>60930197
I had a bad experience with Ubuntu in middle school when I first tried to use it. I hated how it was so UI-heavy, but you still absolutely needed to use the terminal and run sudo.
Years later I try Linux again with Arch and fall in love with how very little illusions it has about trying to help you out.
Now I have a fondness of small *nix systems.

>>60938744
Right in your ass.

>>60930282
>claims ubuntu is buggy
>recommends even buggier unstable plebian
fucking hate this place i;m out. i swear /v/ is better then you.
bb fat neckbears virgins

>>60930197
it boils down to:
>muh freedumbs
>elitists who think they're better for wasting their time in the commandline who despite being "better" have egos like a china plate and don't want the normies to realise that what they're doing can be done by anyone able to read a bit of documentation
>muh politics
>valid complaints about the bugs in the software (i haven't experienced as many but they're certainly there)
>people who don't appreciate their collusion with companies like amazon,MS, etc

>>60938717
it works not even then.
>holodomor
>soviet famine
>big leap ahead
>cultural revolution
it killed hundered of millions of people and still missed it's goal.

>>60930232
Gentoo

>>60930197
Unity gave me eye cancer.
Started connecting users to the amazon botnet and stealing their personal info
Installs proprietary software unless explicitly asked not to.

Manjaro XFCE is the only answer to the distro question.

>>60930232
Manjaro

>>60930197
It's just Debian with niggers.

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>>60939439
>>60939474
No fucking thanks, the geniuses in charge can't even renew a cert

>>60939439
>>60939474
Manjaro was the most unstable distro I ever used, and I had it on 3 different computers. Xubuntu runs fast and smooth, and any problems are very easily fixed.

>>60939439
>>60939474
As someone who used Manjaro for about a year: Antergos does everything Manjaro does, better.

>>60939439

Installation froze for me at the very start, so I just turned to Xubuntu.

>>60939477

This is probably the best way I've ever seen to describe Ubuntu.

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>>60939512
>this isn't shopped

>>60939709
This. There is no need for Xubuntu when there is Antergos with their rolling release and aur, also with graphical installation. It's so much better than text one. Not that clean and utilitaristic, but way more convenient.

Love kubuntu 17.04 cause it's easy getting my shitty nvidia optimus setup working. God I hate laptops with optimus

>>60931142
Fucking retard Google uses Gentoo, I work there

>>60930197
Are there any reliable numbers on distro user bases?

I'm ready to drop all pretenses and just use whatever linux has the most users/devs working on it.

Is it Ubuntu? Then I'll just suck it up and start getting used to Gnome.

>>60940134
>Being this green
>tying a distro to a DE
Just install gentoo, very stable and long lasting

>>60940151
i've been trying various ditros over the years, always returning to windows because it "just werks"

now i'm willing to finally jump ship even if it means I lose access to stuff like my mobile broadband connection and my preferred touchpad gestures. to that extent i just want to use the best supported one in hopes that shit will work someday

>>60930247
debian is even worse. the only thing that makes it relevant is that autists believe it's a good distro while basically every professional despises it for its bad habbits and setup/configuration style.

rhel>suse nobody cares about anything else because it has no market share, no support and therefor is irrelevant

Did they fix the filepicker thumbnail yet?

>>60940192
If you have more than 8 cores go gentoo. Your installation will last for long and you will learn a ton.
If you are a corelet KDE+Manjaro. Basically Arch without the autism. You get nice perks like access to the aur und so and unstable updates are held back to prevent your system from breaking.
>>60940233
This

ubuntu is fucking shit

>>60932711
A lot of it is autism-signalling honestly. I love /g/ though

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>>60930232

>>60938481
me too. using it on a 4k Laptop. Unity scaling is choice

>>60930197
It's
>Why is there so much hate _for_ Ubuntu?
you illiterate brainlet.

Non-free software and spyware are bundled in by default. It's Windows for hipsters who don't want to use Windows.

>>60940468
https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2015/08/hate-on.html
"More than a decade later, the usage is no longer limited to what linguists often refer to as African American Vernacular English, and has apparently become a general slang term among younger Americans."

Two examples of the usage from the standard dictionaries that discuss it:
Cambridge: “These kids get hated on for no good reason at all.”
Oxford: “I can’t hate on them for trying something new.

>Just how much _of_ a faggot are you?

Fedora is better

Boring office stuff like spread sheets: Red Hat, CentOS
Noobs general: Ubuntu
Entry-level coding: Debian
Reale serious coding, top-end server stuff and hardcore hacking: Arch

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>>60940573
>Non-free software and spyware are bundled in by default
Shitload of spyware in 50 Mb iso, fuck yeah.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

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>>60940900

why is debian better than ubuntu for coding?

i code all the time and ubuntu is just fine

>>60940961
/g/ expert computer science PhDs all use Arch because customization and minimalism

>>60940468

english is a transformative language and it is one of the biggest reasons why it has established itself as the lingua franca of the world.

i bet you sperg out when you hear the word "selfie", too

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>>60940996

>ask question about ubuntu vs. debian
>get an answer about arch

unless you literally make your own unixlike os you are fucking plebs jesus christ, how can you even work with something someone else made

>>60941040
I just want to program HTML(5)
why do I have to build my own pinguin

>>60930232
OpenSuse

>>60940900
>hacking
But... Hackers use Kali cause it just werks

>>60934843

Gnome3 was a basket case for many years and in many ways still is a worthless piece of shit. It may be that Canonical will make Gnome3 worthwhile like they did with Gnome2, Gnome is a fucking horse's ass.

/g/ hates ubuntu because they're autistic elitists.

>>60941515
Only "pen testers" (script kiddies) use Kali.

>>60930232
Windows

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>>60930197
>Why is there so much hate on Ubuntu?
because it is good

>>60941824
10x ^this