i5 or i7

>>60904202
R5 1600x

>>60904213
>AMD
Kill yourself you pajeet.

>>60904213
This.

>>60904213
Get an R5 1600 and overclock it

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>>60904346
https://www.techpowerup.com/234350/intel-to-invest-ususd-178-million-to-advance-its-r-d-innovation-in-india

Nice try pajeet.

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>>60904346
I agree, fellow consumer

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>>60904202
The only Intel CPUs worth anything are the unlocked Pentiums and the 7700k housefire delid meme. Everything else was obsoleted by Ryzen.

>>60904202
ryzen

>>60904473
Include 7600K in that list because while it doesn't have HT it still has the same IPC as the i7.
Though the HT threads are not real cores so buying now would be stupid anyway.

>>60904213
Reread my post you dumbfuck

>>60904526
>buying now would be stupid anyway.
Is it time to Just Wait™ for Coffee Lake?

>>60904430

Get an R5 1600X and overclock it

>>60904542
Waiting for either to release new stuff.
AMD to fix RAM and stop using modules and use REAL cores with EACH separate L2 cache per core(I know they released a recent update)
And Intel with whatever they make that is a Tick and not Tock

>>60904526
>7600K
complete shit cpu

>>60904573
>EACH separate L2 cache per core
What are you trying to imply?

>>60904202
You know you're just going to get Ryzen recommendations if you don't specify why you must get Intel.

>>60904612
Does well in what 99% of what 4chan does on it.
Gaming.
Try running CEMU on a 7600K at 4.6GHz and then compare it to a 1800X at whatever OC you manage to get from it.
Or Dolphin or some other game that needs proper performance PER core.

I have an i5 6600 (not even a k) and I think it will last me the next 5 to 7 years.

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>>60904346
>>60904529
>buying jewtel

>>60904640
b-b-but muh GAYMEN
fuck off

>>60904677
Keep avoiding the truth as a defense mechanism, it's not gonna be less true even if you don't like it that way.

>TFW Intel can only barely win in single core performance
>B-b-but no game uses more than 2 cores pajeet

Intel shills have only one argument to defend their outdated CPUs, and it isn't even based in reality. It's like shintels think computers are ONLY used for gaming.

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>>60904700
>the truth is whatever i can cherrypick

>>60904346
As a guy who's used an i7 for years, it's time to let go of Intel, brother. AMD really is offering more for less, probably for the first time in two decades.

>>60904753
>cherrypick
I haven't posted any benchmarks on anything, though.
But sure keep ignoring it if it makes you feel better.

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>>60904756
STOOOOOOPPPPPPPP

>>60904756
>probably for the first time in two decades.
hownew.ru

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>>60904761
cry about it intelfag

>>60904756
>moar cores meme
>subpar single core performance

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>>60904761
cuck

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>>60904810
>hownew.ru
Ironic, considering the people that type that falls into that category.

>>60904835
You where saying?

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>>60904846
>subpar
ok pajeet

>>60904851
Dolphin benchmark is a stress test for FPU which uses AVX2, anon. It's not a real benchmark.

>inb4 amd shills post gpu bottlenecked benchmarks

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>>60904851
>some shitty emulator for old nes gaymes
wow i care so much about this

>>60904850
>Intel 4 cores is not only matching the 8 core, it's sometimes beating it.
Wow...
It's like having a 250HP V8 with the same torque and HP as a 4cyl.

>>60904862
Read >>60904640
> or some other game that needs proper performance PER core.
Dolphin is an emulator that plays games.
What do you need to play games smoothly on an emulator?
>performance PER core
Shall I repeat it more times so you get it?

>>60904867
Those are my favorite cherrypicks
>1280*720 pff nobody plays at those res
It's like they don't know the purpose of a CPU benchmark.

>>60904835
>>60904850
>>60904851

>>60904861
kek
>>60904867

>>60904888
>Dolphin is an emulator that plays games.
Dolphin benchmark is NOT Dolphin itself.

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>>60904867
>ITS GPU BOTTLENECKED BECAUSE INTEL DOESN'T WIN REEEEEEEEEE

>>60904901
>can't accept the 7700k is better than ryzen

Enjoy being delusional.

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>>60904908
mad fag?

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>>60904916
see >>60904917

>>60904917
>Ryzen has higher clocked ram than 7700k

Getting desperate my pajeet friend.

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>>60904932
have to point it out because you are a retard

>>60904951
>$460 cpu only has 4 fps over a $300 cpu

Is this the best you have Rakesh

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lovely

>>60904980
>muh console gayumes

>>60904978
all ryzen 7 cpus are the same, once again keep moving the goal post

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>>60904978

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>8C/16T getting destroyed by a 4C/8T

>>60904932
>ryzen is the same price
getting delusional my kike friend

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>>60904978
did you fail math too, pajeet?

>>60905019
see >>60904850
and fuck off back to rebbit

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>>60905028

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>>60905043
>i have no argument so ill just shitpost instead

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>>60905055

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>>60904202
i7. The Intel Pentium G4560 and the i7 are the only Intel chips considering so given that choice i7 is obvious.

>>60904473
This.

>>60904573
>AMD to fix RAM
They have, sort of. I actually bought a Ryzen 1600X and a 32 GB kit and a Gigabyte AX370-Gaming 5 motherboard this week.

My first experience was that IT WOULD NOT BOOT GNU/Linux. Totally unacceptable. I just got a blank screen on Fedora but the CentOS kernel gave me an error message. Searching for this indicated that it had to do with RAM compatibility.

Luckily I do have a laptop and when checking Gigabyte's website I found several new BIOSes. I got the latest one that didn't say "beta" and the system would boot. Now it runs just fine. So it's "fixed", but I still find this to totally ridiculous. If I had bought this prior to a BIOS fix when it was just released then I'd be stuck with a useless pile of electronics for months. And if I didn't have a laptop handy and no other working computer then I'd have a problem.

>>60904756
>AMD really is offering more for less
Not really, not like they used to. It's more like slightly more at a slightly lower price-point. A decade ago it was a total slam dunk that AMD offered amazing bang for the buck. Now it's not that far from equal.

>>60905006
>the same
>implying you can hit 4.0 Ghz on any ryzen chip

Good try Reyansh

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Damn why is intel so shit

>>60905077
Glad it worked out in the end though.

I wouldn't buy AMD, be it GPU or CPU.

Their GPU always have the same performance as the lower-mid to high-mid-end Nvidia cards.

Their CPU needs twice the cores to do what Intel does, while also having less OC headroom.

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>>60905083
>moving the goal post once again

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>>60905106
>im glad i will never support competition
gee wonder who this is

>>60905101
>1600 better than 1700

???

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STOP TELLING ME INCONVENIENT FACTS REEEEEEE

>>60905165
better value

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>>60905176
Interesting...

>>60905176
>$500 cpu better than $300 shekel cpu

Okay

>>60905200
>1440p
nice gpu bottleneck, try harder pajeet

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>>60905176
Hitman huh?

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>>60905200

>>60904202
I'm going to assume its for gaming since you're asking about intel. i5 is more than enough.

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>>60905019
I don't get it, what's this supposed to prove?

The minimum frame rates there are either equal or *1* frame per second apart.

To me this particular "benchmark" only and pretty clearly shows that it makes absolutely no difference if you use a 1800X or a 7700K if you're going to play Doom at 4k.

>>60905106
Yeah, it did, and I'm glad, but I can't say that was a very good "first experience" with Ryzen.

As for Nvidia cards, it's not an option since they don't have free GNU/Linux drivers (you have to let their drivers dictate distribution and X version if you want to use their binary blobs).

I'm not sure why you think AMD needs twice as many cores as Intel, AMDs IPC is more like 80% or something.

Regardless, I'm happy AMD finally made something that was worth upgrading to. As picture related shows (my CPU history), if it's not twice as fast or better then I don't bother.

>>60905165
>>1600 better than 1700
Yes, if you specifically take per-core performance then both the 1600 and the 1600X will outperform the R7 1700 (which has higher total performance but if you cherry-pick single-core then those win, just like Intel wins over all the Ryzens).

>>60905202
>$500
$450

>$300
$350

don't lie on the internet

>>60905213
>gpu bottlenecking now lowers only AMD CPU performance
what fantasy book did you get this from?

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>>60905217
>>60905200
nice cherry picking

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>>60905227
wrong

>>60905237
see >>60905250

>>60905250
>calling others cherrypickers while posting benches from two different sources
>keeps posting benchmarks from same cherrypicked source

>>60905265
>two different sources
what did the same source say amd was better at 1440p, you are the one that is cherrypicking

>>60905258
>implying you'll be able to reach that clock speed on a 7700k without your computer catching on fire

>>60905176
>>60905250
These are the same source so I damn sure hope you only get on (You) from this.

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>>60905278
b-b-b-b-but muh intel

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Why can't amd fanboys accept the 7700k is better than Ryzen? We all can agree ryzen is better than i5 but yet you amd shills keep being delusional.

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>>60905296
>being this mad that intel is shit
OYY VEYYYYY

>>60905278
I get 68c with HT on 5.1GHz on my 2700K, though that's soldered.

>>60905278
Don't you see the stock clocked 7700k having similar fps. Good try Pajeet.

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>>60905320
nice joke

>>60905200
>>60905213
What kind of bullshit excuse is this?

It's 2017 not 2010.

I use a tripple 1440p monitor setup.

I should make a standard paste which explains why this is stupid,

Is anyone in their right mind going to spend thousands of dollars on a system with either a Ryzen 1800X or a Intel 7700k and a Nvidia 1080ti and buy a $100 1080p TN panel?

Benchmarks below 1440p and 4k do not matter at all unless you're benchmarking a Intel Pentium system like G4560 paired with a low-end nvidia card like the GeForce GTX 1050. If your PC budget is $500 then yeah, perhaps you'll get a $100 monitor.

>>60905320
Because

>RX480 will be as fast as GTX1080
>Benchmarks shows up
>GTX1080 vs RX480
>GTX1070 vs RX480
>GTX1060 vs RX480
>GTX1050Ti vs RX480

>Oh yeah, but RX580 will be GTX1080!
>AMD oblivious to GTX1080 Ti
But Vega will be as fast as GTX1080
>Volta coming out soon.

>>60905335
>pajeet is projecting again

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>>60904202
R7 1700

>>60905345
sent :)

>>60905348
Well good thing that Intel doesn't crippled to death at high resolutions as >>60905200 stated.

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>>60905353
you have autism

>>60905345
>6C/12T having almost the same performance as a 4C/4T
Is AMD even trying?

>>60905368
>linking your own posts
pathetic

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>>60905380
are you?

>>60905374
>Lost your arguments so hard you not only stoop to ad hominem, but actually went and used the worst, most immature attempt at insulting because you got so butthurt.
You done? Don't forget to put on a new diaper.

>>60905398
>25% increased FPS from 300% more threads
This is even worse scaling than SLi/CFX back in 2005.

>>60905401
>ad hominem
funny way to spell "observation"

>>60905426
That's what your doctor did when he gave you the diagnose.

>>60905415
>he doesn't know how cores and multithreading works
sounds like you need to go back to /v/

>>60905444
>i know you are but what am i
underage b&

>>60904443
Where is this from?

She's beautiful

>>60904202
yes

>>60905452
So Civ can't use any threads then.
Considering the 6C/12T have 33% more cores than the i5 it's not even scaling well to it's real cores.
So it'd be better if it was 6C/6T then.
Got it!

>>60905461
You already outed yourself with that autistic image.
What's next, gonna use emojis to get your point through?

>>60905468
not the point, you don't understand how threads and multithreading works, games not being threaded is obviously AMD's fault, heres that (you) pajeet

>>60905477
>>60905468
samefag

>>60905209
>>60905209
>>60905209
OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN

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>>60905488
The point of buying an AMD is to use it on things it can't utilize?
Got it!

>>60905497
Thanks for the (You)

>>60905505
Funny video.
But in the end what matters is performance per core.

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>>60905514
gee i guess even a retard like you knows how to use gimp, congratulations, you still have aspergers

>>60905541
>Installing FOSS viruses.
ShareX using capture region->to file, is faster, and with less trash garbage.

>>60905571
autism: the post

>>60905590
Why would you announce your own post as autism: the post when we already established that when you outed yourself here >>60905374?
Do you have short term memory as well?

>>60905611
you have autism, its ok sweetie

>>60904888
Comparing a processor to an engine is idiotic. An engine in a car only drives a single output shaft. Your intended statement is closer in relation to the old FX processors where even when something actually used all eight cores, it'd be only marginally better than comparably priced Intel processors. Ryzen has damn close performance per core, and when all cores are actually used there's no comparison in performance.

Dolphin Benchmark has no relation to actual emulator performance. It uses a completely different codepath.

1280x720 is idiotic because CPU load increases with resolution.

>>60904867
If it's a GPU """bottleneck""" and Ryzen gets more frames, does that mean Ryzen is better at physics?

>>60905638
>Dolphin Benchmark has no relation to actual emulator performance. It uses a completely different codepath.
Doesn't matter.
Because AMD have weaker IPC per core, and emulators use few cores, thus need fast IPC per core.

>1280x720 is idiotic because CPU load increases with resolution.
The higher the res, the more it becomes RAM/Bandwidth/GPU dependent, and not CPU dependent.

>>60905649
ryzen is better at anything except for being jewish, intel will never lose that

>>60905662
>Because AMD have weaker IPC per core
stop lying on the internet pajeet >>60904861

>>60905106
>Their CPU needs twice the cores to do what Intel does
not with Ryzen, you dumbfuck

>>60905676
>benchmark made in paint is credible

>>60905415
Well duh, GPU loads are highly parallelized, most of the overhead on them is keeping the GPUs synchronized properly.

With most CPU multithread loads it's rare for all cores to be loaded constantly with an exception of things like rendering or compression. The fact it does improve is more indicative of it occasionally throwing out tons of threads, but the remaining time is still spent on a few.

>>60905685
>i don't like the benchmark so it isnt """"""""credible"""""""""""

>>60904861
>Dolphin benchmark is a stress test for FPU which uses AVX2, anon. It's not a real benchmark.

What kind of game is Userbench?

>>60905702
>GAYMES
fuck off /v/ cuck

>>60905697
>doesn't post source

>>60905716
find it yourself you fat nigger, im not here to hold your hand while you get btfo by everyone on /g/

>>60905662
The Benchmark uses instruction sets that the Emulator doesn't, mainly AVX2. Ryzen is especially weak on AVX2 but no one gives a fuck because nothing uses AVX2 anyways.

>>60905741
>no one gives a fuck because nothing uses AVX2 anyways
intel shills do, like img_xxxx which is posting in this thread

>>60905731
>makes benchmark in paint to defend his favorite Indian company.

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>>60905714
>Lost argument so hard I have to use meme words

>>60905741
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xcfea/ryzen_emulator_performance/
Too bad for AMD because AVX2 is the future until replaced by something better.

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>>60905815
>Indian company.
im not the one shilling intel here m8, you are

>>60905843
>Lost argument so hard I have to samefag

>>60904202
The only reason why you would be going for the i7 over the i5 is because of the threads. Since that is the case, why not go for the r5 1600x?

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>>60905863
Is crying and whining the only thing you're good at?

>>60905866
Weaker single core

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>>60905882
>more day one cherrypicks
damn wonder who this could be

>>60905662
Zen actually has stronger IPC than Kaby, but its weak on a few rare instructions. IDIV also isn't pipelined but has lower latency than Kabys IDIV, so it has lower throughput, but quicker output, bad if you're doing divides all day but most programs don't do that anyways.

Regardless the 6th ALU is very real even though decode is 5 wide, it allows for a single uop instruction to be swapped to a two uop instruction without any penalty.

Actual performance is more hamstrung by the cache oddities than the actual core, this can be easily mitigated by improving compilers down the road, same as what happened with Nehalem. Honestly read your Agner sometime.

btw, currently GCC actually compiles better for Ryzen using haswell than it does using znver1, it's actually kind of hilarious. znver1 is pretty much a copypasta of bulldozer.

>>60905884
lie, now go back to the designated shitting streets, shill

>>60905909
>no source

>>60905884
*slightly weaker single core
ftfy
retarded intel shills are so fucking desperate that they desperately latch on to the "muh singlel core" argument as if this was Bulldozer. Besides, Kaby isn't even that great, it's just bruteforcing the shit out of its performance with housefire inducing clocks.

>>60905232
>pissmark

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>>60905217
>>60905200
>>60905176
>>60905101
>>60904917
>>60904908
>>60904835
what's the fucking point of all this fighting and shit flinging when the difference is negligible?

like fucking pick the one according to your price and be done with it you wankers

you think 3 extra FPS will make you better at games or something?

>>60905921
back to the designated shitting streets with you pajeet >>60904835
>>60905345
>>60905398

>>60904202
You either go for Pentium G4560 or i7-7700K

Anything else is outclassed by Ryzen. Actually, just get the R5 1600 and you're good to go.

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>>60905884
This.
AMD still goes by MOAR CORZ!!!
Gimping the core count would just be as stupid as buying those FX8350

>>60905903
TL;DR
Basically Ryzen would've been better if they stopped using modules that shares bandwidth to the cache.
Intel make sure the cache pipe line is reachable from all it's cores.
AMD doesn't, so instructions are queued when using all cores.
Sure using less cores doesn't do that, but then there's no reason to have that many cores if they can't have exclusive lines to the cache.

>>60905964
because intel shills have severe autism and im having fun with it

>>60905971
>AMD still goes by MOAR CORZ!!!
conveniently forgetting skylake-x i see

>>60905903
in case you wonder what the brown color is, that's poo in the loo instructions AMD like.

>>60905971
>AMD still goes by MOAR CORZ!!!
>desperate intel shill trying to keep the Ryzen=Bulldozer narrative alive
continue being retarded

>>60905989
>Forgets about E5-2699 v4 from over a year ago.

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>>60905996

Sure is autistically spamming the same benchmarks for months now in here.

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>>60906008
>E5-2699 v4
server cpu that no one cares about, not to say that anyone gives a shit about skylake-x

>>60906004
Bulldozer=modules fighting over bottlenecked connection to cache
Ryzen=modules fighting over bottlenecked connection to cache
Intel=each core has it's own connection to the cache.

>>60906017
>but muh day one benchmarks say intel is #1

>>60906034
>Ryzen=modules fighting over bottlenecked connection to cache
what did he mean by this?

>>60906079
Weaker single core

>>60906079
autism and shillling

>>60906098
This is what I meant in one way.
But what I meant is that two modules battle for the same cache.

Disabling cores so one module per cache is used did some interesting things that I hope AMD learns from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQilK2dOJTg

>>60906098
>RYZEN IS TOTALLY BULLDOZER GUISE!!!
>no explanation other than an unspecified reference to shared cache

>>60906149
Why do you love amd so much

>>60906149
For liking your Ryzen so much, you sure know very little about it's architecture.

>>60906172
>>60906189
>ALL CACHE IS THE SAME GUISE!!!!!

>>60906034
>each core has its own connection to shared LLC
Wrong since Beckton.

>>60905971
Cache associativity isn't related to core counts.

>i5 or i7

I don't know OP, what do you want to use it for? Gaming, workstation, or general purpose?

>>60906214
That's not what the image applies anyway.

>>60906229
It implies exactly that.

Somebody (mods?) gas this fucking retard.

>>60906258
It's too late for that. Accept amd is better

>>60906280
I mean gas this fucking retard that does not even know how Intel's ring bus and LLC slices work.

>>60906294
Good try intel shill. Accept Ryzen is the better choice.

DELID THIS, P-PAJEET! YOU'RE J-JUST POOR! POO IN T-THE LOO!!!!!

>>60906310
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>60906327
Get btfo intel shill

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A day at Ryzen's R&D
MORE MODULES!!!!
>But shouldn't we make sure to use proper cores instead?
MOAR MODULZZZZ!!!!

What.
What the fuck is happening in this thread.

>>60906359
There's a reason why it's called a Core Complex and not a "module". It's because it's using actual cores.

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>>60906359
???

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>>60904346
>Kill yourself you pajeet.
Where the fuck have you been under a rock?

>>60906390
This

Bulldozer had pretty much everything shared except the integer clusters. All Ryzen shares is L3 and external communication.

>>60904443
intel turns to india

Fucking panjeets are dominating!

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>>60906359
What the fuck is this picture.

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How a proper 8 core die should look like

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Here's a 4+4 core die where one side can't really access the L3 from each other.
What a mess.

>>60906518
>How a proper 8 core die should look like
>8
wat

>>60906518
Whops, was meant to post the 8 core one.
Turns out even the 10 core manages to do better than Ryzen.

>>60906534
It's called the Infinity Fabric and it scales much better than whatever the fuck intel has. Downside is that its speed is dependent on RAM clock-rates.

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>bingbus apologist
Absolutely ebin my friend.

>>60906463
>>60906463
>>60906463

>>60906578
>skylaeg x
>not skylaeg eggs

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>>60906556
Does it now?

>>60906604
looks like intel is worse

MORE BINGBUS
MORE BIBELINE
MORE TDP
MORE COREZ
MORE EVERYTHING PULLING 308W THROUGH THE SOCKET IS TOTALLY FUCKING OKAY

Don't forget about MEGA-TASKING goyim.

>>60906619
>The 10 core pictured above being first
Higher clocked Ryzen is lower performance/MHz than the 6900K
This is also a thread dependent test.

>>60906626
Calm down Bulldozer.
Don't you have some housefires to put down?

>>60906675
No, we have achieved true housefires beyond PowerPC 970, their name is Core i9.

>>60906721
You spell Phenom in a very strange way.

>>60906740
You spell Prescott wrong.

>>60906675
>thread dependent test
non-OC is also listed there. It pretty much shows how intel is relatively bad at thread scaling.

>housefires
Because the core i9 pulling 300w through the socket is totally not a housefire compared to the 1800x which has a hard time achieving triple-digits of power consumption.

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>>60906675
>first
while costing 5 times more gee what a great deal

>>60906752
Intel scales decently for 1 ring.

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>>60906534
a nobody is telling Keller his work is a mess.

Fucking /g/

>>60906747
You spell K6 incorrectly.

>>60906752
Looks mighty fine.
>3.2GHz 6900K higher score per MHz than 3.6GHz 1800X

>>60906774
>bingbus apologist
lol

>>60904213
/thread

>>60906795
Ringbus works well enough for 1 ring, anon. Its when you start chaining several rings with switches together scaling goes down the drain.

>>60904202
Core 2 quad
>No intel ME
>64 bit
>nice.

>>60906790
It's 3.5 vs 3.7.

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>>60906840
Let me mark the area in case you're too stupid and blind to see.

>>60906879
It lists single core turbo clocks, retard. All core turbo is 3.5 for 6900k and 3.7 for 1800x. Fucking nigger jewish brainlets.

>>60906675
2017, intel sucks, fucking deal with it.

>>60906757
saved

>>60906911
comparing intel and AMD clocks. thanks for showing us youre stupid.

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>>60904346

>>60904202
i5 > i7 always unless you get coffeelake and the i7 has more than 4 cores