when?

>>60899511
never

>>60899511
the Linux ecosystem needs strong leadership to accomplish the following:
>Develop an operating system with a unified and centralized set of standards so that it "just works" for the end user
>get the word out: viral marketing, aggressive advertisements, whatever it takes.
>this one's crucial: needs to be able to make deals with many, many manufacturers to start preinstalling their OS instead of Windows, and for stores to sell these computers.

>>60899511
never with current state of gazillion distros

>>60899511
I hope never. I don't want to be in common bag with dipshits.

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>>60899511
Soon

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>>60899511
When somebody make DE with nice UX and good looking.
(Like google android)

>>60899744
Why? Are you afraid that if you use something that's "mainstream", you won't be such a special little snowflake anymore? Is so much of your self-identity tied up in being a "special" Linux user?

>>60899597
Linux is pretty much standardized. You can pick up any debian or Red Hat based distro and expect to find the underworkings are the same. In modern distros like fedora and ubuntu things just werk already. The last part I give you. Manufactures need to preinstall Linux in a big way.

As soon as ms office stops mangling libre office documents

>>60899823
The reasons why linux is so good are the same reasons why a "year of linux desktop" will never happen the issue is users lacking the wetware to operate a linux system.

>>60899511
Nao.

>>60899868
Oh, okay. So you're one of those people that believe that making something more complicated than necessary somehow makes them more intelligent than the people who devote less time and effort to achieve the same outcome. Got it.

>>60899823
I don't want to be 'special.' Being hip and trendy is my definition of special. This 'year of the desktop' bullshit is just getting on my nerves. I know that 4chan is just a shitposting central and all threats are mostly baits and 'discussions' here are mostly meaningless rants about nothing but most of social life is just shit and yielding to some dipshit who happens to yell his mouth noisier than the other, so I decided to stuck in this cesspool voluntarily just to see fucked up people are.

>>60899953
What are you talking about?

>>60899996
see:
>>60899868
>the issue is users lacking the wetware to operate a linux system

I interpret that as saying Linux is only good if it's intentionally too complex for the average person to operate.

>>60899511
Linux was never really developed for mom and pop desktop users. It's like asking why doesn't everyone drive a Tesla yet.

>>60900056
I heard opinion than is the philosophy problem.
Something like in Windows it goes from action to understanding and in Linux it goes from understanding to action

Sorry for my bad English

>>60900133
Cause Tesla is not enough useful

>>60900056
Computing is a difficult processes to begin with Linux systems just don't obfuscate this fact by limiting user freedom and control to make it "easier".

>>60899790
Chrome OS

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>>60899790
RedStar is GOAT

>>60900229
MacOs clone for literal communists

>>60900207
see:
>>60899953

>>60900181
(Insert shitty analogy here)

>>60900247
So what? Reverse engineer the DE and put it to good use

For the school I'm working in Linux desktop might become a reality the next year. A couple of my colleagues and I are thinking about uninstalling Windows from all computers in our school and installing Ubuntu or Edubuntu. The computers in our school are quite old, then paying for Windows 10 licenses would be overkill and would arguably make computers even buggier than they are now. Linux Desktop has always been a great solution for people caring about productivity, freedom and safety instead of games and advanced entertainment. Every year is a Linux Desktop Year.

>>60900259
The thing is while it may make simple tasks easier but as soon as you want to preform a non standardized task it immediately becomes exponentially more difficult to do so if not completely impossible.

>desktop
not using the glorious Linux console?

plebs.

>>60900325
You are doing a favor to those kids anon

>>60900352
I know, right? Since when I first installed Ubuntu on my laptop, I've been more and more persuaded that Ubuntu allows student to work on pc in a safe environment. Also Windows has caused our computers to run way too slow. Ubuntu is quite light, so it should work well on the computers of our school.

>>60900403
lxde or xfce will be great for lightweight computing

openbox with a panel if you want maximum performance gains

>>60900403
You better have scripting courses for those kids, I remember when DOS was around and I learned how to install Doom and thought it was magic, never met anything like that until I dig the Ubuntu machines in my uni. Ubuntu is so friendly these days that getting to power user won't come natural.

>>60899597
>it "just works" for the end user
Linux Mint does this pretty well

>>60900480
> lxde
> xfce
>openbox open panel
Sorry, but I'm maybe too new to Linux world to know the meaning of those things. Wouldn't Ubuntu 16.04 LTS work well on school computers straight out of the box?

>>60900525
We have a computer for each class, but only teachers use them, then we have a whole class room containing around 30 computers to make students work on them. We mean to teach students do very basic stuff like browsing the web, writing presentations/docs (LibreOffice should be more than sufficient for that purpose), and using medias like videos or music. I don't really suppose that we'll need to use the Linux terminal to do more complex operations.

>>60899790
>>60899790
Android looks disgusting by default. Need to rice it to make it good.

>>60899823
you are such a little faggot lol. we don't want to be associated with the vast majority of tech illiterates like you, getting wannacry every five minutes. you guys are targets.

>>60900663
Android looks great not even ricing it.

Linux looks like shit even riced.

>>60900687
Linux is a kernel, Android looks ugly by default, and you'reare gay

>>60900687
what are you comparing Linux to? Windows? LOL that inconsistent ugly mess? If you are comparing it to anything other than macOS (shitty OS but at least it looks nice) then unironically kys

>>60900606
Don't worry about words like lxde, xfce or openbox. Start by browsing the software center for words like "education", "math", "kids". A few applications to give you a taste for what there is:
Klavaro, a touch typing application.
FreeMind; mind mapping.
Anki, flashcards.
Scratch, fun way to learn coding for kids.
GNU Solfege and LenMus are ear Training software.
GraphMonkey is a graphing calculator.
Celestia and Stellarium are astronomy applications.
Marble is a virtual globe application.

As for learning the command line, is my recommendation to introduce the kids to skills they definitely can help them. And to prove my point that is not really that hard check this site http://www.mprat.org/Terminus/
Is a game where you type and learn.

>>60900834
I already knew some apps you mentioned, but thank you for the rest, I'm grateful to you. The problem with learning to code isn't its supposed difficulty, but it's more a matter of time: I'm sure that you need at least a couple of dedicated IC hours to teach kids even the basics of coding. I'm not working in a specialized/technology school, I'm working in a middle school, where students' timetables are dedicated to learn basic subjects like maths, natural sciences, music, art, grammar ecc.ecc.

>>60899511
When people can somewhat agree on some unified standards, programs aren't randomly dropped by their maintainers (without notice), and freetards accept that not everything propreitary is evil and filled with spyware.

The problem with Linux is (I know this sounds bad) TOO MUCH CHOICE. Few things ever reach full maturity and get maintained in the Linux ecosystem.

>>60900931
I see, same problem I had

>>60900994
Even under these circumstances I deem Ubuntu to be a good choice over Windows. Ubuntu 16.04 is very easy to use for basic stuff and needs, like the ones we need at our school.

>>60900985
The problem with free software is that at the end of the day nobody wants to do the boring, mind-numbing shit, like maintenance, for free.

>>60901071
Exactly. Only the purely autistic or goodwilled are willing to go that and even then they get tired of it.

>>60901071
>>60901121
I reckon you don't use Ubuntu

>>60901267
I reckon you don't understand that Ubuntu is developed and maintained by Canonical Ltd.

By people that have Jobs and are paid to do so.
I have no problem with Ubuntu, but my current shitbook laptop needs something lighter and more simple, like Arch.

>>60901308
Lubuntu is lighter, a Devuan netinstall even more, maybe that helps

>>60901399
I appreciate the recommends, but I have already tweaked this desktop to my exact liking. If it shits the bed I will probably take a look at those.

>>60899511
the desktop is dying, so maybe you should aim for year of linux on the smartphone, or linux on the tablet. oh wait, android.

>>60900325
>>60900352
>>60900403

Reminds me of what happened at my high school before, but unfortunately the people managing the installs were, well...
>Pentium III, 20GB HDD + 256/512MB RAM
>GNOME 3
>Firefox
>The computer club boasts about having "boot up times under 70 seconds"
>Students give it a try
>Find it the slowest shit in the school due to all the other computers being purchased ~3-4 years ago

And that is how, /g/, Linux became the most hated operating system at a certain shitty high school.

happened a long time ago. ever heard of chromebooks?

>>60899597
Ubuntu fits all except aggressive ads.

>>60899781
underrated

>>60899511
2018

>>60899852
No there are many parts that are not just werk.
As a normie who play games (CSGO, !osu, Neptunia), with gaymer gear nothing works out of the box on linux.
Want to turn off mouse acceleration? Ofcourse just go to mouse settings, but theres nothing here, go google, make some startup script because setting somehow would reset every time.
Want to get 144hz? Ok just open dysplay settings and set it to 144hz, there is no such a thing, go google, and even after you change it to 144hz, games detect only 60, all window animations are 60, only mouse is 144.
Want to play games?its easy just install vine, install simple 2d game, tonns of errors, somehow it installed, and even run! run like shit.
Install CSGO from steam, performance is shit, alt+tab to desktop, alt+tab back to game, resolution is fucked, game now in windowed mode with 10:5 aspect ratio.

I know you can fix all of this so it works fine, but i tried many distros, and never had "just werks out of the box".
Maybe if your only purpose of using PC is work, then linux have ok out of the box experiance, but for normies its pain to use it.

>>60910006
Everything just werks on my Ubuntu gaming rig. CSGO runs fine apparently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBI5tsa1inY

The only problem you'd have on linux are drivers. Nvidia has great drivers, but the default ones are shit. AMD abandoned driver support for most GPUs because they switched to amdgpu pro, but this does support any serious gaming card anyway and the performance is great.

I never understood the mouse acceleration meme, can you show me exactly what the problem is?

Wine will always run worse than native. But that doesn't mean it will run terribly. Tons of steam games run on wine just fine.

Hopefully never.

Everything a normalfag touches it turns to shit.
Look how /v/edditor manchildren on /g/ are excited about stupid gimmicks like snap and appimage that don't even work half the time
>Zoom g its like windos but free!111

Obligatory link to "why linux is not ready for desktop"

>>60899852
I'll start with the fact that RHEL backports huge amount of patches into their kernel while it still reports older versions, so third-party software (like dpdk drivers) that depends on specific kernel mechanisms breaks on rhel while works on debian and vice versa.

Or how Fedora runs Wayland by default which breaks compatibility with insane amount of existing software.

Or how we have multiple GUI toolkits that follow different HIGs and use different languages.

Linux is nowhere near being standardized.

when a company starts to make computers with Linux pre-installed

>>60910546
Companies have been selling computers with pre-installed Linux for almost a decade now if not longer

People usually buy those because they're cheaper than the ones with Windows pre-installed and just install pirated Windows on it

>>60899852
>Linux is pretty much standardized. You can pick up any debian or Red Hat based distro and
see that both use different software packaging format so you can't ship one package that works on both distros