/cyb/ + /sec/ general: cyberpunk and cybersecurity: wokfi edition

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>>60888400
>I'm attempting a fusion of the old pasta and the newer pasta, as per request
Big thanks for that, anon, good work.

Pic. of appreciation.

>>60888746
That's okay, just thought I'd see what everyone else thought too.

>>60888400
Whats a good replacement for grsec?

>>60888991
Has development stopped on grsecurity?

>>60889041
No but it enterprise only now and I'm not a large company.

>>60889041
Is as good as dead now.

>>60889062
>>60889064
That's incredibly shitty.

>>60889115
There is linux-hardened and linux-libre-hardened but they have a tiny fraction of grsec's protection.

>>60889184
Don't forget about RSBAC.

>>60889193
Not really comparable to grsec. The best option seems to be just using the old grsec patches.

>>60889184
>>60889193
>>60889204
Is there no way someone could fork grsec?

>>60889235
If you get the code and then fork it or share it they terminate your subscription so you don't get access to the new patches. So sort of. I think the hardened gentoo guys might be making one.

>>60889255
I always said, the gentoo devs are heroes

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old setup

>>60889255
If it is going enterprise who cares if you get terminated?

>>60889269
Agreed.
>Install Gentoo

>>60889282
what thinkpad is that?

>>60889282
What kind of gains did you get?

>>60889282
how many router can you pick up?

>>60888400
wokfi looks cool

I need a more powerful access point

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>>60889399
If net neutrality goes to shit, you could always use a WokFi to connect to a faster business service without having to pay.
Although, that would be expressly illegal without consent and no one wants to be a criminal.

to the fuckwit who said blackhat is more realistic than mr robot

try learning something mate. there was no part of mr robots /sec/ scenes that werent realistic.

>>60888400
whats the /cyb/ recommend thinkpad?

>>60889473
what about a 1337 h4z0r using nano and gnome?

>>60889473
i think he is talking about the second season where it went fight club. both are good no reason to argue over which is better that shit is just an opinoin

>>60889497
>nano
no need to fuck around unnecessarily in vim/emacs/what other wanky programs you like

>gnome
see above

>>60889473
>>60889514
I still haven't got around to watching the first episode of the first season.

>>60889636
then you trolled me good m80

>>60889642
I'm the hacker formerly known as Pri- 4chan.

What is cyberpunk? My life. It's like everything in 90's cyberpunk came true: AI, VR, corporations bigger then governments.

>>60888400
is cyberpunk anti-capitalist?

>>60889730
Real life, now.

>>60889738
Often.

>>60889473
see >>60889514

>>60889738
Yeah bro fuck capitalism, fuck technological progress!

>>60889514
Second season? More like from the second half of the first season.

>>60889469
>cyberpunk
>no one wants to be a criminal
we should start doing criminal shit

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>>60889779
>equating capitalism to technology

>>60889779
>What are public funded academic and research institutions that produce more innovation than corporations?

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>>60889738
No, but its anti Totalitarianism and Authoritarianism, so its actually FOR the Libertarian shit and stuff...

>>60889875
I agree but that doesn't make it contrary to certain forms of socialism though.

>>60889819
>What are the corporation funded free as in freedom research and development free to the public that actually produce more quantity and quality than any government shit ever.

Last time I checked the open source and "Free as in freedom" shit is not government owned or (purely) public funded, they are mostly funded with millions by big corps like Google and Microsoft - lookup Tensorflow and other stuff like that, thanks to google.

>>60889295
x200
>>60889351
+20db at least
>>60889360
Over 40

>>60889897
Sure, but the moment it touches the government or remove the freedoms of the ppl and their right to have one is a no no

>>60889933
I'm pretty sure you can libreboot those right?

>>60889489
x220. Taking one train hopping cross country soon.

>>60889948
Absolutely, with a buspirate or similar.

>>60889923
And? This would have to increase in public support if you placed greater restriction on corporatisation.
What is this obsession with bullionless tradeable unpayable debt?

>>60889949
I allready have an x60 but its kinda slow and the latch keeps breaking. I'll look into an x220

>>60889933
>+20db at least
That's not bad.

>>60889977
No one mentioned this things, nor the restrictions. I am all against that.

>>60890067
Then why do you defend the falsehood that capitalism = STEM progress?

>>60890103
I think you need to look up the word "sarcasm".

College student here doing part-time Tier 1 support going for Comp Sci and learning CCNA, MCSE and Python/Scripting in free time/downtime at work. Putting in my time at Tier 1, getting those certs and graduating and hopefully moving onto a networking position after maybe an internship last semester.

What can I learn now and what does my plan for the next 10 years look like if I want to work in /sec/? Not in the hackerman variety but securing big data.

>>60890228
>Tier 1 support
so you answer phones

>>60890228
If you know at least basic Python and are somewhat good at math or at least know vectors and linear algebra - start doing ANN and general AI stuff in your free time, just to get to know them, later move to bigger projects and you will thank me in 15-20 years when this is the only good paid job remaining.

>>60890254

yeah but im not complaining since im not putting money into a till anymore

>>60889738
Capitalism can only thrive with as little as possible government regulations and intervention, where wages and prices are determined by the market and competition. A cyberpunk dystopian hell is where corps and state merge, where there is no competition and prices and wages are determined by a single entity, just like a communist society. Capitalism is a friend of cyberpunk, its a friend of the people.

>>60890271
In a communist society their isn't supposed to be a state or corparations though. USSR (Union of Soviet SOCIALIST republics) had this as a hazy end goal.

>>60890122
I still have Asperger's.

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>>60890271
>Capitalism can only thrive with as little as possible government regulations and intervention
Say everything you want, but if government all over the world would cease to exist, in the current conditions shit like Blackwater would put corporation controlled governments in place. So we should deal with that shit first.

>>60890271
In communism the state is supposed to acurately represent the people through direct democracy. Its not a seperate entity it more like a collective.

>>60890321
in the USSR the state owned everything, which is why my family fled to a better place because they wanted to run their own businesses for the sake of gettin that gwap, in order to raise the living standards for themselves and their children. The smartest thing they've ever done.

>>60890370
that's what they sold, but we got genocide instead
fuck communism
the whites should've won that civil war

>>60890360
no one is advocating for the absence of government. We only want them out of the market, in order for competition to determine wages and prices so everyone, especially the little guy wins.

>>60890454
>no one is advocating for the absence of government
I do

>We only want them out of the market
No, you want big oligarchies running without control, when is them who should be abolished before all

Oh for fucks sake why do these threads turn into nothing more than politics? Ya know, theres an entire fucking board for that shit.

>>60890454
The whites were essentially facsists and would have been as authoritarian as the soviets if not more.

>>60890466
Don't name that circlejerk every time you are losing

>>60890466
Because we still have retards spouting the virtues of a failed system.

>>60890454
Yes I agree the USSR was bad but that doesn't mean we shouldn't protest corparate tyranny and the exploitation of the working class.

>>60890477
>you are losing
Im not even participating you fucking spastic.

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>>60888400
here's a pic for a future thread, OP.

also, Http://www.allitebooks.com has a boatload technology related ebooks including security. I just grabbed a few.

additionally, https://dowse.eu is worth checking out if you want to visualize what is is happening in your network. put that raspberry pi collecting dust to good use.

>>60890467
the whites were decentralized and all wanted different things, that's why they lost
some wanted to restore the monarchy, some wanted a monarchy with a parliament, some wanted to be monarchs, others wanted a republic, a democracy... they all had different visions and there was a lot of infighting
one thing they all were though was anti socialist (so anti fascist by their very nature, which is good), anti semite and traditional (which is very good), and by no means as authoritarian as the soviets who genocided, and all but erased one of the grandest, one of the most prominent European cultures off the face of the earth

>>60890486
>corporate tyranny
lets say I'm a CEO, I can only stay in business if I provide goods and services to my customers, I can only produce goods and services by hiring people and paying them, I can only hire people by providing them with better opportunities than the CEO across the street who's trying to keep his business afloat, my customers will only remain if I provide them with goods and services of higher quality and cheaper price than the competition, and the same goes for the CEO across the street
that's not even scratching the surface but you get the idea
what part of that cycle is in any way tyrannical?

>>60890463
there are plenty of greedy individuals within the corporate world who deserve nothing short of a culling
but you have to look at the picture as a whole, someone has to employ you, you have to get all your shit from somewhere, it has to be produced, refined, shipped and distributed
our system isn't perfect, but it's the best one we had since the ice age

>>60890657
That's a nice information and resource drop, thank you, anon.

>>60890734
>looking at the whole picture
>still don't like neo feudalism and wage slave
>capitalism says you are in either way
What do?

>>60891037
make some fucking money and stop being a bitch.

>>60890480
This.

>>60891062
>live on a city
>big corp making the rules
>can't make money
What do?

>>60889897
as if the right wing has sole ownership of libertarianism

>>60891356
If the system doesn't work for you, you can always abstain if you're smart enough to get away with it.

>>60891037
the more you give the more you'll get, selfishness has no place in our society

I always refer to what I call the farmer cycle
see, a farmer grows food, employs people, pays for all the supplies (they all have to come from somewhere too), distribution networks use trucks, planes, boats to distribute the produce, merchants sell the produce, restaurant owners buy it and the cooks they employ prepare it, the waiters serve it to the corner booth where our friend the farmer is sitting, thus completing the cycle. That is what capitalism is all about, that is why its so beautiful... its a natural system.
and this clearly so much better and smarter than everyone else motherfucker wants a free meal
stfu and go to work faggot

>>60891439
>Keep funding the system that fights to destroy your freedoms.
How about fuck you?

>>60891356
>>can't make money
why?

>>60891467
This.

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>>60891467
you're the one trying to take away civil liberties
we want to live in a society with plumbing and electricity. That requires a group effort, a pronounced hierarchy
your selfishness, disrespect for decency, everything that's been done for you, your hatred for all that is good in this world will be the end of you
you are literally evil incarnate, which I'm sure you are very proud of
so quit lying and just say you want communism because you want endless suffering for all, especially those that go out of their way to raise your living standards

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>>60891665
You know what you fucking sheep, wake the fuck up.
You don't own your own life, corporations and their government puppets do and could have you killed at a moments notice should they do wish.
Totally violating any right you have to your life, as it is under de facto control of the state.
In my country, they're trying to censor freedom of speech, the right to be a skeptic.
Hike taxes for no reason.
Putting people in prison and convicting them for speaking their mind.
Starving the poor by removing aid.
Fighting wars and proxy wars for no obvious reason (corporate greed).
So you want plumbing and electricity?
Mhm, that's nice, those luxuries.
I want to know I have the right to exist and to live in the way I deem fit, not to be arrested for the opinions I hold.
I want basic Human Rights.
So yeah, you carry on wanting your 1st World capitalist funfair than we've grown up with.
Whilst the adults, those who actually want to better the species and society.
So get fucked, you spoilt brat and realise that freedoms and more important than your 20th and 20st century luxury life.
The only selfish person here is you:
>I want this, I want that!
Yeah, well everyone else would like their civil liberties you millennial scumbag.

>>60891665
>equating capitalism to technology

>>60891737
>*Whilst the adults, those who actually want to better the species and society fight for it.
>20th and 21st century luxury life.
Sorry about that, I got a little impassioned by your cognitive dissonance.

>>60891737
There's more errors, but it is 4am and you're being a fucking retard, so I thought I'd just flame you like you deserve before I cannot even string a semi-cogent clause together (apparently I'm already there).

>>60891737
all that shit you said is exactly why my family fled the USSR, because they sought freedom
freedom you retarded spoiled brat millennial scumbag grew up with and take for granted
how fucking dare you child?

>>60891856
Take for granted? Did they teach you English?
We're trying to stop our countries from turning into USSR-esque authoritarian dictatorships.
So your comment is entirely pointless.
Unless you want the West you fled to turn into the hellhole you fled?
Or maybe you'd like to get locked away in a neo-gulag? Would that make you feel at home?

>>60891856
>Duh my family fled, so I don't have to address any of that!
>Trying to save your countries?! BUT WHAT ABOUT MY CAPITALISM, I LIKE COMFY LIFE!
Yeah, we'd like to keep our freedoms, thanks. :)

>>60891874
alright, so why are you anti capitalism?
a smaller government, less regulation = a healthy competitive market, employment for all, and a less authoritarian government
tf is your problem?

>>60891897
freedoms is the best

>>60891921
Because, at the moment, capitalism is only serving to strengthen the elites, corporations and governments that want to take our freedoms.
To fight for freedoms, even if you have to live in an uncomfortable situation EVEN FOR A GENERATION, is worth it.
Not to mention, smaller government and less regulation isn't the issue, governments are more corrupt than they've ever been before.
As proven, it doesn't work like that, laissez-faire economics is a pipe dream and only worked in the '80s (in the US) because they sacrificed longevity and the political and socioeconomic climate has changed (Wall Street Crash).
Also, many smaller corporations aren't the issue; they tend to the ones who hire native employees.
Larger corporations, the ones that are an issue and CONTROL Western capitalism hire external workers, because they're cheaper.
So no, laissez-faire economics doesn't work to create a HEALTHY MARKET (only temporary) and probably wouldn't work in the first place and certainly not for the long time; it causes what is termed a bubble.
What would be better, is tearing down capitalism and the elites, corporations and governments with them and start again.

>>60891982
>hire external workers, because they're cheaper
exporting labor has its own costs
often times its cheaper due to government regulations on hiring locally, if not for insane regulations the cost would even out, exporting labor means importing product, which isn't free
and yes I agree that the majority of the people on top are total scum, deserve nothing short of a public execution, and the only ones that will survive an entire system meltdown
the only way to go after them is personally and individually
tearing down the system will hurt the people you're fighting for the most
we don't live in a utopia, there are and will be problems, but the capitalist way of doing something in order to get something in return, is the best and most natural idea we've ever had

>another thread ruined by babbys first politics

Everyone here hates you

Go somewhere else

>>60889942
leftist seem to believe that freedom means having the government force others to do the things you already want to do anyway

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>>60889730
The most cyberpunk of all is AR. Think Serial Experiments Lain. We ain't there yet although pic related comes close. Company is ODG. Check or the R8's.

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>>60889738
>>>60888400 (OP)
>is cyberpunk anti-capitalist?
Not according to pic related
>The street sets its own price

>>60890321
>USSR
>socialist
topkek
>>60890486
implying the working class in ussr wasn't exploited by the state

reminder that the only true libertarianism if leftist.

=== /sec/ news:
New version of TAILS is out
https://tails.boum.org/news/version_3.0/index.en.html
>Tails 3.0 is out

>We are especially proud to present you Tails 3.0, the first version of Tails based on Debian 9 (Stretch). It brings a completely new startup and shutdown experience, a lot of polishing to the desktop, security improvements in depth, and major upgrades to a lot of the included software.

>>60889738
>is cyberpunk anti-capitalist?
No.

Capitalism requires a large degree of openness and accountability while most of the CYB stories are set in a world where companies wield the powers and government is hardly visible. Those scenarios are closer to corporativism or fascism, where you cannot slip even a cigarette paper between companies and governments.

Which is a better entry path to security?

Pen tester or security operations analyst?

>>60889819
DARPA does better than most corporations.

In pharmacy academia does the initial heavy lifting while Big Pharma does clinical testing.

>>60894811
sys admin

Is StartPage a trusted search engine?

>>60895577
yes

>>60893157
>The most cyberpunk of all is AR. Think Serial Experiments Lain.
How?

The only anime I can remember with extensive use of AR is Dennou Coil. Essentially the "Dennou" world was overlaid the real world, with some odd consequences.

Cyberpunk architecture (who knew such a thing existed?)
http://n3design.com/tvc-ids-2013-stage-1


Also: long dark teatime of the bump.

>>60888400
This the newest iteration of /netsec/?

test

meow test

>>60897764
>>60897770
aight sorry about that boys, needed to capture some network traffic

>>60894403
Thank you for the reminder.

>>60888400
What is in the old pastes that isn't in the new pastes? They new pastes were literally sourced from those.

>>60898989
This one was absent a few rounds:
>How To Into Cyberpunk: http://pastebin.com/PPueAapP

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Are there any others /cyb/ related communities you visit?

>>60895577
searx

>>60899367
https://lainchan.jp/cyb/

>>60889801
All the profitfags have left is lies, but considering religion is still around after thousands of years, lies work really well.

Do you guys have any list on /cyb/ and /sec/ projects to have fun with? I know it depends on my skill but I am curious as what you guys do for fun.

>>60901109
Seconded, this would be an interesting resource.

>>60890103
Capitalism provides a basis for growth including STEM. Communism and fascism put a lot of effort in limited fields such as weapons tech but I cannot remember many examples outside that.

>>60902608
>Implying those are the only options.
I'd also like to note:
The majority of STEM progress comes from academic research, which is taxpayer or donor funded.

>>60901109
How about a fully "graphical" browser that works in the terminal https://github.com/Prospero86/netrunner

There is a thread on this >>60885202

>>60889497
>nano and gnome
You mean standard software that come as default in many distros?

>>60902706
We should just scrap complex GUI and go back to terminal.

Test

>>60904738
The problem right now is the github the project is hosted. No response in a day, time to change hands.

>>60894811
>entry path to security
>pen tester
Are you even aware what youve just asked

>>60897177
oh my god anon, this is sexy as. thank you!

>>60897784
gonna spam us with fiddler?

>>60891737
this nigga thinks he's living in an anime

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broke: using the internet with only FOSS software, countless security enhancers and a VPN to hide from the NSA
woke: not using the internet at all to hide from the NSA

>>60908409
>not using the internet at all to hide from the NSA
so you mean using the internet to alert the nsa where you are?

>>60908466
No it means not using the internet period. No devices connected to any sort of wifi or cellular. Take the unplugpill

>>60908490
>No it means not using the internet period
No, it really means you/him need to get your grammar in check.

Anyone here every read an issue of 2600: The Hacker Quarterly?
Anyone here still read it?

>>60907896
Apparently not

My understanding was that pen testers tended to be entry level

>>60908695
>pen testers tended to be entry level
You are wrong.

SOCs are entry level.

>>60894811
sys admin or sys eng.

>>60908509
ur dense

>>60908575
I read Nachash's "So you want to be a dark net drug lord", and listened to a podcast (not that great)
I bet some of the old stuff is choice though
https://pastebin.com/GrV3uYh5

>>60908575
i just started a big download of old mags

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>>60888400
>be me
>straight outta /r9k/
this should be the perfect fresh start.

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Cyber fashion, $90 dollarydoos

>>60908719
What's a SOC? Haven't seen the acronym before

>>60909259
>this should be the perfect fresh start
for a new board? culture? hoppy? career? choo need lil nigga?

>>60909295
Are you the same poster who wanted to break into the infosec industry?

If so, you sound woefully under prepared.

Anyway, a SOC is a security operations centre. They monitor traffic flowing in and out of particular companies, and flag anything that looks suss for investigation using their automated software that identifies threats.

That, is entry level security work.

Pen testing requires a miriad of skills you will NOT have as an entry level candidate, and you wont be put into testing live environments as someone with no skills.

>>60909297
hobby. i'm studying cs so i'll probably be a wagecuck. i've always been interested in infosec, though.

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>>60909276

>>60909321
Ah I see, you mean a security operations analyst job working with siem stuff then?

Still doing my research, not planning to break in quite yet.

A guy in the industry i met had suggested that role as an entry route, but mentioned it having a high burnout rate. Are there other entry routes I should be considering beyond that?

I have 2 years experience in Business Intelligence, and have Python/bash/SQL, so seeing where I can leverage that best

>>60909445
>you mean a security operations analyst job working with siem stuff then
yes, thats true entry level

why dont you just apply for some roles instead of thinking and pondering?

>>60909465
You're right, analysis paralysis and all that.

I'll let /sec/ know when I get a foot in the door, thanks dude

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>>60909686

>>60909921
wtf I'm a hacker now

Wondering if I could get any help from anons here, I got a background as an IT engineer (fixing computers n servers n sheet)

Training company offers me compTIA Networking+ And compTIA security+ courses.

They say I will be able to get jobs with these.
Every job advert for things like security analyst that I see wants shit like ISO27001 CISA CISM CISSP knowlage/qualifications.

They bullshitting me /g/?

>>60910112
>CISSP
Look it up. You cant get it until you have 5 years of experience. Its part of the requirements to pass.

Youre just looking at jobs too far above your skillset. You need to go to a SOC.

>>60910215
>SOC (Security operations center)
Its likely thats the kind of position they were talking about. I know security+ is entry level. Just wondering if thats all I would need to get into a basic cyber security job.

Thanks for help as well anon. Appreciate it.

>>60910262
>Just wondering if thats all I would need to get into a basic cyber security job
Well what did you need to get into your current role? I imagine really it was being able to pass their interview, yeah?

>>60910287
Pretty much. Before my current job all I had done is slap a PC together for gaming.

Now its full hardware/software repair for PC and some networking, They said I could probably skip the basic compTIA qualifications because I already have the experience.

>>60910430
the cybers arent some magical, mythical realm you need to be top guns of your field to get a look in.

before you got your job, you probably thought server engineering was a mythical unicorn of a job youd never get into because it sounds so hard and special.

look at what you just said. you built a gaming pc once then got to strip servers. its not like youre a person whose never seen a computer before applying for the cyber job.

>>60910460
Oh I understand that. I know I am well within the realm of learning what I need to.

I am just trying to avoid paying for courses only to find out that my way (aka SOC's) want more then just networking+/security+.

This training company is saying that those qualifications will get me a job but im not sure if I should trust them, all sounds too good to be true.

>>60910608
Sadly you and the other guy put too much stock into what SOC/NOCs are like.

You will be churning tickets like a robot. Its a job ripe for automation replacement. You dont get to do sexy and cool shit, thats forensics, security engineers, those sorts of people.

Youll watch your ticket monitoring system, and escalate when required, and report false positives.

You dont need many qualifications because you dont do much.

But it is the first step into the infosec field.

>>60909465
Well, he mentioned
>having a high burnout rate
so he is right to look before he jumps.

>>60909445
>I have 2 years experience in Business Intelligence, and have Python/bash/SQL, so seeing where I can leverage that best
Isn't that massively overqualified for this line of work?

Get some experience, get clearance, and then look for work in three letter agencies or Electronic Warfare units including net war. A command of a foreign language is also a huge plus.

>>60910692
>A command of a foreign language is also a huge plus
signals is not cyber

please do not lead him down the wrong stream

>>60909723
I have the same book, in digital format.
I thought it was pretty good.

>>60910631
Then what the heck are those compTIA qualifications really good for? I mean they must be useful to gain access to some sort of job.

As you say its clearly not needed for entry level SOC type jobs, And the jobs google says its good for actually ask for things like CISSP level knowlage.

Im guessing there is some middle ground But im just having a hard time finding it.

>>60902706
I'm going to earmark this and consider working on it in my downtime.

>>60908509
>>60908768
You:
>Lets eat grandma
Us:
>Let's eat, grandma!
You just became a cannibal.

>>60910708
>signals is not cyber
There is overlap since many signals carry "cyber" data. Even GPS data is full of data frames with a lot of information, probably not all of which is fully disclosed.

Also: not all adversaries communicate in English.

>>60911149
Haven't you watched X sci-fi or action film/series? Everyone, everywhere, even aliens, communicate in some form of English. :^)

>>60910692
Why would that be massively overqualified?

From what I've seen Python and bash are basically essential for OSCP

Also not a burgerfat so unless yurop has the same kind of warfare that's out

>>60911336
>Why would that be massively overqualified?
He listed Business Intelligence as a skill.

>>60911345
Is BI that closely related? Seems like a different skillset

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>>60911149
>There is overlap since many signals carry "cyber" data
hahahahahahaha this is the logic that got the NSA the rights to do cyber work, despite being a sig division.

>>60910753
>what the heck are those compTIA qualifications really good for?
Have you done any of them? They are good for putting on your resume. I did server + at the start of the year, and was extremely underwhelmed at the exam and how simple it was. Comptia is not a respected company, I came to find out after the exam.

>>60910750
I like it a lot.

>>60910869
Pic related.

>>60911500
>hahahahahahaha
We should take what they did as the premise, not what they should have stayed away from. Also Gen. Hayden had to leave because he pulled a massive dragnet also across the US. What he did against allies was not the issue.

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Hi /cyb/ + /sec/ gen,
(I don't browse this board and I've almost never used GNU/Linux so please don't bully)
I have a laptop from 2009, a Dell Inspiron 1545 running windows Vista and since I'm more and more concerned with privacy and security I would like to install a clean OS and learn how to protect myself.
I'm comfortable with how computers work but I've never dug into anything else but Windows.
What do you suggest for my old laptop?
(I've read the pastebins in the OP and that flowchart on how to pick your distro but I don't trust quick meme infographics)
Basically I want my old laptop to run smooth with a well documented OS so I can be autonomous in a few weeks.
TL;DR
>Not the overkill distro I won't be able to set up
>Not the baby's first Linux either
ty

>>60908885
What podcast anon?

>>60911919
>DBAN
>Install Gentoo
>Come back here and start learning
/question

>>60911919
>flowchart on how to pick your distro
Not sure which one you mean?

But https://pastebin.com/raw/0AjC2mcD from the pasta is a good read, how to make your shit more secure.

There is nothing wrong with good old debian.

>stable as FUCK
>WIDELY used so HUGE repos
>apt-get instead of faggot pacman
>NOT bleeding edge or cutting edge
>comes in every single flavour under the fucking sun

>>60911919
Everyone will tell you to install gentoo. Gentoo is the #1 "overkill distro I won't be able to set up", don't listen to them.

>>60912027
>There is nothing wrong with good old debian.
Well, there is now. There is systemd.

On one hand, devuan doesn't have it and is basically a drop-in replacement. On the other hand, making an informed decision about systemd is probably asking too much of a total beginner, so going with debian and reading about it later is also a perfectly good option.

>>60912132
Install gentoo

>>60912212
Which distro doesn't have systemd? Aside from void.

>>60912267
See http://without-systemd.org/ for that and other information.

>>60912363
>http://without-systemd.org/
I might add that to the pasta.

>>60911500
an oxford comma is a comma used before the "and" in a list, that picture is not related.

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>>60913049

>>60913135
well done! you identified the oxford comma!
its before the "and" in a list!

i'm so proud of you!

>>60913155 see >>60913049 and then >>60913135 and then explain how >>60913135 isn't related to >>60911500 and then explain why you still have that arrogant inclination?

>>60913180

>>60908490 doesn't have a list, therefore no "and" in a list. This means that its not an oxford comma it needs, just a normal comma.

You're dumb as pig shit desu.

>>60913135
Or as I've recently started to say JFK + Stalin.

>>60913217 and >>60913248, >>60913217 is a total non sequitur as I thought you were simply meaning >>60911500, which does feature an Oxford comma.
Also, I'd like to note, >>60910869 isn't referencing an Oxford comma; it is simply displaying the importance of proper punctuation (this is only the only post I'd written in this arc).
So, to sum up.
You attacked us, >>60911500 and myself (>>60910869, >>60913135 and >>60913180) over a non sequitur that you were arbitrarily linking via >>60911500 to >>60910869 to
>>60908509 to >>60908490.
So, next time, if you want your argument to maintain integrity, make sure they're related in the same way you're hoping they are.
Nice one, dumbfuck. ;)

>>60909921
This thing fails to mention that it's vitally important to use different hardware and physical locations with no intermixing

>>60913781

took you over 1 hour to go through a thesaurus for this comeback lmao.

>>60911919
I would suggests the lastest Tails, although I didn't use it, seems like it got a little more user friendly, and it is Debian 9 based, which is also launched in two days from now.

If not, I will suggest Void, since is that kind of minimal distro, but it doesn't leave you alone in the desert with your hardware.

>>60912132
install sourcemage

>>60914169
>Has a life.
>Omg you used a thesaurus, lol!
You still got BTFO. :)
So, try harder.

>>60914206
>Tails

Hope you like watchlists

>>60899674
>I don't know what metaphysics are
>any other worldview than atheist is abomination and lie
Fuck off, I would say.

>>60889469
A tenet of a cyberpunk ideology is the acceptance of crime as a tool. Be a criminal. Fight back. Why the fuck are you so sedate?

Someone has that pastebin which had like 50 tiers of "freedom"? Actually it was tiers of difficulty to get maximum privacy.

>>60915643
You mean this https://pastebin.com/5XfDX4wL ? Needs to replace grsecurity with RSBAC or something but is pretty good, should be in the next OP.

>>60915688
Perfect anon, godspeed. Thank you.

>>60913781
lol whatever nerd

Install OpenBSD!

https://github.com/minipli/linux-unofficial_grsec/tree/linux-4.9.x-unofficial_grsec

Here you have unofficial grsec.

>>60916016
"What" and "how"?

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Hello /sec/, I just happened to do this. Planning to use it as /sec/'s webpage and for /sec/ purposes. I'll move at some point the services we use on my personal domain to that one.

So please, get some cool ideas on how to use this and share them with me.

>>60916807
As a manual person (you know, the type of person who learns better through practice than from just memorizing) I would like to suggest interactive examples (if possible) of the things you add there.

>>60916840
I don't even understand what the fuck you are talking about.

>>60916943
Lets say you explain how a pen test script (I'm not into pen so I'm just making it up)

Instead of just saying "There's some ways a script can do a pen test" it would be nice to have a few examples below or "follow instructions to make an example".

Sorry for my english.

>>60916962
So I'm wildly guessing you mean that if we do write-ups on stuff, to make them detailed. Yeah I guess that can be a thing.

>>60917002
More than detailed, I would like practical examples. Like

This code do [X] which means [bla bla bla] A good example of this is written below

bla bla
   more stuff
bla bla bal

>>60916840
My guess you mean something like this http://www.mprat.org/Terminus/

A guided introduction to hacking would be interesting.

>>60917089
Aye, kind of. At least it serves me to explain my point.

/g/ mentions one of your fav esoteric projects
>wokfi
EEEEEEEEE :3
>play it cool man

uh honest question here, what's wrong with tox?

What do you guys use to keep track of your passwords? Ive been genning mine and its getting out of hand. What is the most /sec/ approved password manager?

>>60917630
>What is the most /sec/ approved password manager?
Probably pass with dmenu https://github.com/cdown/passmenu

>>60915688
I'll be adding it to the pasta next thread.

>>60917539
I'd like to know too.

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>>60910777
An anon is now hosting the project and gave a contact mail to join the development team >>60919191

We are going to have a /cyb/+/sec/ browser guys.

>>60919385
It will truly be a thing of beauty.

I seriously hope no one in this thread is a dirty commie. libertarian or right only.

>>60919485
Indeed.

>>60919512
Bash the fash

>>60913781
>all those replies
wew

>>60919512
innoculate against the alt-blight

>>60919512
Don't give a fuck about either, so suck my dick bitch.

>>60919581
best answer tbhfam

>>60919568
this is the dumbest shit ive ever read, was it supposed to be sarcastic

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>>60888400
What hash function should I use to encrypt my data? :3

>>60919609
shoo shoo alt-right

>>60919627
Please refrain from posting shit tier girl

Non fiction reading suggestions please? I'd love to read something about the current state of the internet or just networks. Social engineering would be appreciated too.

>>60919649
lmao so it wasnt sarcastic? let me guess youre either a shitskin or a "my wifes son" type.

>>60919709
shoo

>>60919627
scrypt :^)

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>>60919751
Why?

>>60888400
is the x1 carbon /cyb/ approved?

>>60919688
the news

>>60919844
underrated

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>>60913781
there are a minimum of two people in this discussion you are thinking are myself.

>>60919797
Why scrypt or why :^)?

>>60916807
a /sec/ dedicated board?

oh anon, i love you.

>>60917630
>>60917842
>What is the most /sec/ approved password manager?
NONE

Every fuckign week there is some new exploit. Some in the wild, some in researchers labs. The difference is moot. They are unsafe.

>>60919512
I'm a Mutualist. Does that count?

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What do you thing of having cool looking guy like Max Headroom as mascot for a web browser named "Netrunner"?

I mean not exactly him but a guy with sunglasses. Picture moonman.

>>60920285
It would be cool but the netrunner browser is never going to happen.

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>>60920301
>implying

I'll ask here instead of in the Linux thread:

What is the most secure OS I can get at the moment? I'm looking to go dark or whatever at least on a laptop. Tired of being snooped on.

>>60920345
Name one project /g/ has said there going to make and then actually made that isn't tox or clover os.

>>60920349
Dissconnect your laptop from the internet or use Qubes OS and whonix.

>>60920285
>Netrunner
theres already an os with the name

>>60920359
>one project /g/ has said there going to make and then actually made that isn't these projects /g/ has said they are going to make and have made

>>60920359
Do Justin Bieber and Hannah Montanna Linux count?

>>60920400
Clover OS is litterally just a gentoo install script and tox was partially made by infinite chan /tech/.

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>>60920359
>that isn't tox or clover os
>demanding to ignore what proves the argument invalid

>>60920429
see
>>60920420

>>60920193
You're not a Tankie or a Mausist so you're cool with me.

>>60920437
>demanding to ignore what proves the argument to ignore
>claiming exclusive involvement of this board is required

>>60919992
Why scrypt anon.

>>60919512
Why would I want to be a corporate cocksucker though?

>>60920466
Ok then compare:
The amount of projects proposed on /g/ vs the amount of projects actually made by /g/

>>60920025
Well I guess that could be done too.

Btw if anyone wants to help/has ideas/wants to discuss something about whatever just hop on the IRC channel, although I'll be "busy" this weekend I'll still be up at some point. I will also try to keep everyone updated in the thread as I do stuff.

>>60916807
>/sec/
>he fell for the registrar meme instead of using tor/i2p

>>60920501
This do resembles an appropriate argument because is not using generalization, but argues there is an statistic significance.

Yes, is a possibility, but also of success. Now think on how many threads about browsers you see on /g/ and calculate how much is followers the project can have. Calculate the amount of developers and you get an answer.

Or just realize we fucking want a web browser m8. We are a lot wanting this to happen.

>>60920560
I don't plan on hosting CP or selling drugs. And I wouldn't be doing shit if it weren't for the domain name, the idea came after finding it out, not before.

>>60920605
Why not both? Plus tor/i2p isn't just for criminals.

>>60920621
There is already a lot of sites offering nodes. Let this be for other stuff more worthy of the clearnet.

>>60920621
Pretty much this >>60920641. You already have more than enough forums under there.

>>60920370

Checking it out now. What if I want to use the internet?

>>60920641
>>60920693
Ok, that makes sense.

>>60917171
They are pretty cool. ;)

>>60920501
Look how much interest there is >>60920722
yet another thread about browsers when there is one up already

Can you redpill me on Freenet?

I haven't been since I first visited like 6 years ago and it was just cp.

Apparently it's still around and being updated? What the fuck?

It's one big honeypot right?

It's a shame I did like the old school looking sites.

>>60920767
I hope /g/ follows through.

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What does /cyb/ think about the goals of TVP?

<https://www.thevenusproject.com>

>>60920860
>Can you redpill me on Freenet?
>I haven't been since I first visited like 6 years ago and it was just cp.
it wasn't just cp 6 years ago. for every like 20 cp site request there's probably a single cp site, but nobody really knows what the network is used for and that pisses some various actors off
>Apparently it's still around and being updated?
yes
>What the fuck?
it is an changing network with open source software and the core developers aren't responsible don't host the cp. they have goals and asparitions to make it better and have built a community
>It's one big honeypot right?
no. unless you know and can prove that it is. but otherwise you're just another person putting no thought into an argument and saying "this anonymity tool exists and that is proof that it must be a honeypot"
>It's a shame I did like the old school looking sites.
years old sites can still be around if people care about them due to the nature of freenet
>>60921877
that is the most globalist and communist thing I've ever seen pass itself off as beyond politics. cute seas in the city page though

>>60921877
>centralized government
>no direct control over decisions
>yet again SOMEONE has to create the algorithms
I know some of the people supporting things like this, but they have no idea over how to accomplish what they want.

To tell you a secret I promise to make an algorithmic decision systems for an organization like this, it isn't easy.

>>60916807
My nig

Imageboard with different boards for hacking, sec jobs, politics, etc

This will be some cool shit

>>60914206
You're supposed to live boot tails. Installing it on bare metal defeats the entire purpose of tails. Otherwise, just use qubes

=== /cyb/ "news"
BBC - Culture - Why thousands of teens ran away from home in the 1960s
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170615-when-all-the-children-ran-away

In particular this paragraph:
>Even after the communes were dissolved, their radical designs endured – and fuelled the corporate forces that they once opposed. In 2016, both Apple and Google revealed plans for new headquarters in Silicon Valley, with designs strikingly evocative of an earlier vision of the future. This shift from counterculture to cyberculture was incubated by Stewart Brand’s influential Whole Earth Catalog, published regularly between 1968-71. Steve Jobs described the Catalog as “Google in paperback form”, and its offices were housed in a moveable geodesic dome. This style became known as ‘hippie modernism’, defined by soft and circular shapes, in contrast to the hard-edged, inflexible buildings associated with bureaucratic modernism. But while Apple and Google’s plans adopt the designs of free communal association, their spaces are privatised – a commons only for the few.

>>60920349

they're all hackable so just use throwaway machines and replace them every few months. keep your real machine offline forever.

>>60889730
Way too many niggers and spics for cyberpunk.

>>60923340
>ran away
mass kidnapping, never seen or heard from and forced drug addition isn't an idyll life in a commune, you have to be retarded to think that.

>>60920420
install cloveros https://github.com/chiru-no/cloveros/releases/download/20170616/CloverOS-x86_64-20170616.iso

>>60922403
fuark sounds chill.

>>60923343
>throwaway machines and replace them every few months
where the fuck do you expect people to pull that money from

>>60922017
i think im going to spend some time here and try find something cool

>>60923442
Well, the BBC is very careful not to state things they do not have unshakeable sources for.

Also, as often is the case the utopia was a scam but teenagers are often naive about realities, especially when they came from sheltered backgrounds and used lyrics as main input about the state of the world.

>>60909921
What is the point of this?

=== /sec/ news
BBC really is a well of cyb and sec news, here is interesting development in quantum crypto

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40294795
>China's quantum satellite in big leap - BBC News

>The term "spy satellite" has taken on a new meaning with the successful test of a novel Chinese spacecraft.
>The mission can provide unbreakable secret communications channels, in principle, using the laws of quantum science.

>>60920359
NyaaPantsu

Is there a security and anonymity centered GNU/Linux distro?

>>60917539
someone pls

>>60924820
Tons.

Look here: https://lwn.net/Distributions/

>>60923343
>>60923863
You made me think it can be done with RPi/Odroid boards alike. Would be like between 50-100bucks every few months. Sounds pausible for me.

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Just registered for my first /sec/ conference next week

Woop woop

>>60927754
congrats! have you put your laptop stickers on yet?

>>60923413
Go watch Nirvana, you nigger

>>>/fa/12526876
What the fuck is happening

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>>60928342

>>60928242
My work laptop has a ton (work give every macs so they're necessary to tell them apart)

My home one is completely clean.

>>60928717
make sure your have at least 3 stickers on it at all times!

>>60922403
how would this be different from lainchan?

Conspiranoic and Tin-foil theories apart, is too hard to believe that some organizations are connected and controling things?

Not into muh jews, more into people with infinite money, as they seem to have.

>>60928727
I'll make sure to forgo all networking to get some sticker swag to let them all know how what an elite hacker I am

>>60928740
delete this lain

>>60928761
>is too hard to believe that some organizations are connected and controling things?
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0025995

Also look for the All-Embracing Library, a ton of stuff with background check

>>60928761
DUPONT
U
P
O
N
T

Time for new thread. Where's OP?

>>60928761
What's stopping these individuals from astroturfing their way out of negative consensus? Hypothetically they have their hands in every (social) media out there.

>>60929571
Because I think it is safer a loud secret than a covered one.

I mean, as secret societies are actually real, which is in doubt are their effect on real world. So you let people believe that you're society does things (which you can or cannot do) instead of denying it.

Like the iluminaty webpage.

>>60928776
okay, feel free to go overboard but make sure don't cover up your Tor Project sticker with any other sticker

You are going to wait 'til hits page 9 to make a new thread don't you? Anyway, fine with me.

>>60927754
Summercon is shit
You should have gone to REcon

>>60917539
>>60919127
>>60925135
nobody uses it, it was created by 4chan, and there wasn't a client that actually worked fully through tor for years

its a newer project that attempts to do what ricochet has had solved for forever now, except to protect against metadata it does its own onion router because it abandoned goals of using tor because it was slow and they couldn't code well enough to even use ricochet as a guide to solve the problems

>>60929544
RIP OP

>>60929732
so who's making the new thread then

>>60919512
this

If we only need a copypaste form OP I can try it, idk if I will have some good /cyb/ images for your taste

>>60928776
keysharing is fine but do pick up those cute cute stickers

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>>60929856
OP of course

>>60923863
alright hope everything goes fine, linkageddon is your friend

>>60929909
OP is kill obviously

>>60929891
nah I think there was going to be changes to the OP post pasta that's probably why op is taking a while

Wow! Another round and we made it past 300. We are on a roll!

>>60888400
my university has a DOD scholarship for graduates getting a network security masters. i'm going to be able to apply this winter. i'm fucking hyped. it's full scholarship + $30k/y + summer internships + a job after you graduate

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>>60930353